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Banksy Artwork Self-Destructs At Auction Right After Being Sold For $1.3 Million (cbsnews.com)

OpenSourceAllTheWay writes: Elusive street artist Banksy's famous "Girl With Balloon" artwork was on sale at a Sotheby's auction in New York inside what looked like a normal, if slightly old fashioned painting frame. As soon as the auction concluded — the artwork was sold to a bidder for a cool $1.3 Million — a whirring noise started coming from the artwork hanging on the wall, and "Girl With Ballon" started moving down inside its frame, coming out the bottom of the frame in shredded strips. In what must be an art world first, the artwork suddenly self-shredded in front of hundreds of stunned auction attendants. It appears that — somehow — Banksy or some other prankster installed a battery powered paper shredding mechanism in the bottom of the artwork's frame that can be remotely triggered. In a tweet on his Twitter account, Banksy posted an image of the destructed artwork and wrote "Going, gone, gone...", potentially mocking the practice of auctioning famous artworks off for large sums of money. The question now is precisely what — if anything — the buyer of the artwork gets for his or her money, and whether "Girl With Balloon" is worth more or less than before now.

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  1. Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which tells you everything you need to know about how specious and capricious the valuation model is for the art market.

    1. Re:Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Which tells you everything you need to know about how specious and capricious the valuation model is for the art market.

      Capricious yes, specious not entirely. Art is about things like communicating ideas and finding new ways to express them. I can't see much that is newer art than doubling the value of a work by shredding it in public. It says so much about the arbitrary way that people value things. There can have been no greater shock than having just bought a new work and watching it apparently disappear before you. Being so rich you can own and take away something that was originally given to the public by being put out as graffiti and yet not being able to own it because the artist (maybe? - he seems to have been at least tipped off) manages to control and change the presentation of his own work.

      IMHO being able to arrange something like this shows that Banksy actually is worth the money.

    2. Re:Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Meh, nerds will pay a fortune for used, damaged stuff that is somehow famous. Props from movies and TV shows, stuff that's been in space, parts of famous machines, letters written by notable people, classic cars etc.

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    3. Re: Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "fake news", whatever it originally meant, now means "I the person hearing this am to cretinous to process this new information; if it was true I would have to change my whole world outlook and I am fully incapable of even doing that partially". Under that definition for some of the basement dwellers here, this almost certainly counts as fake news.

    4. Re:Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, that's true of the market for everything. The most precious commodity there is for human survival is air, but there is nonetheless the cliche "Free as air."

      Market prices in an ideal economy reflect efficient distribution of resources like paint, canvas and skilled labor, without passing any ethical or aesthetic judgment on the use to which they are put. Take for example, this item. It has no utility value, and it's taste is questionable, but the fact that it can be sold for $90 justifies putting the resources into making it rather than, say, medical prosthetics or water purification equipment for some poor village.

      The great virtue of the market economy is that it works, not that it makes any sense. It only makes sense in a circular fashion; if you define what is sensible by what the market economy chooses to do.

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    5. Re:Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by kurkosdr · · Score: 1

      That moment I realized the HTC One M7 and HTC One Max phones I bought "like-new" a while ago classify as self-destructing art due to the camera getting purple haze due to hear soak and the device being unrepairable, and for being the most striking phones ever made (this is were the 'art' part comes into play) Though I didn't buy them as daily drivers so the purple haze hasn't happened to me yet...

    6. Re:Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by gweihir · · Score: 1

      So if he also had set the shredded paper on fire in addition, it would be worth, say, 5x now? The mind boggles.

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    7. Re:Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Capricious yes, specious not entirely. Art is about things like communicating ideas and finding new ways to express them.

      More like giving the finger to people with too much money in ways they do not get....

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    8. Re: Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by Calydor · · Score: 1

      No, it would simply be 'not news' since it is a factual report of something that happened as opposed to something fake, eg. lies.

      Is language difficult for you?

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    9. Re:Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by Frank+Burly · · Score: 2

      I sort-of agree with the experts. It looks like a standard Banksy picture, which is cute, but nothing special. The shredding of it is part of the message, and shows that the artist actually put some thought into it.

      The thought is contempt for the person who spent so much on a run-of-the-mill painting--but I sort-of agree with that too.

    10. Re:Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by scottrocket · · Score: 2

      I had to shake my head and grin as I read the story - hadn't heard of it before /. - surreal! Whether it's worth more or less (I suspect more) is irrelevant. It's just like, you know, really cool! Made my weekend. Maybe modern art, whatever that is has something more to say - post-art? Meta-art?

    11. Re:Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      That Purple Haze - its all in your brain. It’s just that lately things don’t seem the same.

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    12. Re:Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      That Purple Haze - its all in your brain. It’s just that lately things don’t seem the same.

      Purple Haze is also the S1, E10 episode of Eureka

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    13. Re:Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by hey! · · Score: 1

      Norway is not a member of the EU, but it is a member of the EEA so it has to obey all the regulations about commerce and immigration. It is also the best place in the world to become a millionaire if you aren't one already.

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    14. Re:Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by irving47 · · Score: 1

      Every time I read something like this, I can't help but think of Frasier.

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    15. Re: Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by onepoint · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think that the shredding added value because now the art ( which is well accepted and liked ) has added a value of a statement or act.

      like a famous gun that killed someone, it's value increase due to the action it was involved in.

      personally, I think it was brilliant. and just the opportunity to watch it happen will give me joy on how wonderful creativity can be.

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    16. Re: Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by jpaine619 · · Score: 1, Troll

      like a famous gun that killed someone

      Nope.. A gun might be used to kill someone, but the gun, itself, doesn't kill anyone.

      Yes, there is a difference.

    17. Re: Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by onepoint · · Score: 1

      point valid.
      lacking anything that is adding a value to the topic.
      You could have pointed out a gun used or an item used
      That would have added value

      teaching grammar, while it could add value, but mostly to the person targeted.

      this is why I don't comment much anymore,

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    18. Re:Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by onepoint · · Score: 1

      I thought of that, ( I collected in the past rare maps and documents ).

      the concept of shredding part of the work ( if half was his goal ) was amazing.

      I think that it would have been much more damaging to the artist and his reputation,
      if the work became damaged to the point where it even seemed harmed. but by it
      being shredded only half, he gave discussion and insight and laughter too. Never
      could I image it but I loved it.

      works damaged by fire sometimes increase in value but in most cases it really just
      becomes worthless.

      Right now, the works can be displayed and talked about as it is, but when you have a
      photo with a bunch of ashes, who want's to see that?

      Now, thinking along those lines, a piece of art that changes over time when heated
      on purpose that becomes something else might garner some real attention. I think
      the concept of a square box with an expanding material that only when heated becomes
      something else.... think of a Faberge egg, but so modern that you have to place it into
      the heat of a hot fire. now something like that coming out of a good arthouse would garner
      praise and delight. think of the bonfire in central park with a party after the auction just
      to share in the fun of it expanding.

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    19. Re:Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      Art is about things like communicating ideas and finding new ways to express them. So: DRM (Digital Rights Management) is now Art?

      THAT's a way of expressing yourself -- by saying "NO". (Corporations are People Two.)

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    20. Re: Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Lightening was used to kill

      Was this by erasure or overexposure?

    21. Re: Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Be honest, the urinal is worth as much as a lot of startups which also inexplicably get money thrown at them.

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    22. Re: Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      My reply wasn't actually about the grammar.

      When inaccuracies are used over and over they tend to become ingrained.

    23. Re: Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      "Fake news" is a weasel word for "things I don't like" I'm 2018. And that's a goddamn tragedy because people are losing their skepticism of partisan nonsense and just consuming sit that confirms their biases now.

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    24. Re: Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      You missed the original point. The OP mearly said an inanimate object used during a well known act will become more valuable due to the history. It has nothing to do with pro or anti gun like you act.

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    25. Re:Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      Which tells you everything you need to know about how specious and capricious the valuation model is for the art market.

      It is worth more now because it was sold previously in an unfinished state. The picture, at sale, was unremarkable compared to now. I don't know why it sold for so much to begin with, but it became much, much more interesting and novel when it self-destructed. I'm not in a financial position to pay that kind of price for art, but that is the first Banksy piece that is truly a conversation piece that speaks to everyone. After all, you don't buy a Banksy because it it visually pleasing like a Monet, you buy it for the enigma. This was an artistic innovation that no one else conceived of, and that may not be seen again.

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    26. Re: Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      I didn't miss the point.. But yes, I did have a problem with the phrasing.

      It was inaccurate. Saying "guns kill people" shifts the blame from the psycho to an inanimate object. Lefties know this too, or we wouldn't have murder trials... We'd just destroy the gun and go about our business.

    27. Re: Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by Sigma+7 · · Score: 1

      I didnÃ(TM)t watch my brothers lie face down in the mud

      And that's all you need to say. Everything else past that is either bullshit (identified simply by a simple Internet search), or low-quality Internet cold reading.

      Vietnam

      That war was mostly an American issue. If you want to invoke that war, you should be prepared to explain why and how the United Kingdom was involved with it.

      Unless you're claiming to be a veteran, in which case you should explain how well boot camp/basic training went - something you will mess up because you don't know which term is correct in the UK.

    28. Re: Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by f3rret · · Score: 1

      I don't think Federal Law actually prohibits the posession of nuclear weapons.
      There might be laws regulating the sale and production of the components.

      but I don't think it's strictly speaking illegal to possess a nuclear weapon.
      it's against a whole bunch of international treaties. But not against federal law.

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    29. Re: Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      They would probably be classed as a destructive device.

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    30. Re: Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by bblb · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, you're right... there isn't a specific legislation blocking citizens from owning a nuke such as FOPA does with assault rifles. But... there's an enormous amount of regulatory hurdles to jump through in acquiring, storing, and maintaining fissile material. Those hurdles are actually a huge encumbrance to nuclear power because of the costs and headaches they create. But, in theory at least, given the money and proper regulatory steps being taken, a civie could potentially own a nuke. In practice, I'm sure the gov would tie you down in red tape for two centuries if you ever tried.

    31. Re: Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      YOU'RE a gamble that will become something greater.

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    32. Re: Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by Your.Master · · Score: 1

      No. Let's be clear. This is not a political statement, this is a grammatical statement: guns kill people. They kill people by firing bullets which have sudden traumatic impact. The vast majority of the time (although not 100%), it's because a person pulled the trigger -- but that doesn't really change anything.

      There's no other context I can think of where people make this distinction. "Elevators don't life people, people lift people" -- by pressing elevator buttons, by setting up power plants, by plugging the elevator in and setting up the counterweights and programming it, etc.. "Airplanes don't transport people, people transport people" -- using airplanes. Airplanes are used to transport people, but the airplane, by itself, doesn't transport people. "Computer monitors don't display documents, people display documents". Etc.. Nobody ever expects you to follow the chain of causality until a conscious actor.

      It's a rhetorical distinction that is made for a particular political purpose, and I really don't want to dig into that in this thread, but this is a discussion that isn't about that purpose. Bringing it up is injecting a weird gun control meme into a discussion about bizarre art valuation practices.

    33. Re: Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by f3rret · · Score: 1

      I mean...you're not wrong.

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    34. Re:Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      I think it would have been more interesting if it had been crosscut shredded, with confetti coming out the bottom.
      also, the bottom half of the frame could have popped open to display the shred.

    35. Re:Art experts say it is worth 2x shredded by onepoint · · Score: 1

      While the desire for destruction might seem appealing,
      the long-term damage to the brand would be very huge.
      no advantage and people would start to be turned off by
      his work. No, he's a great artist, he know's what he's ( or she's ) doing.

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  2. Same newsfeeds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How come news sites all cover the same jackass stories. Don't they realise we see the very same content on every site we go to? Why don't I just go direct to AP?

    1. Re:Same newsfeeds by Knuckles · · Score: 2

      How come news sites all cover the same jackass stories. Don't they realise we see the very same content on every site we go to? Why don't I just go direct to AP?

      Visitors and hence the ensuing discussion is different on each site

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    2. Re: Same newsfeeds by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      You are still an idiot everywhere.

      QED

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    3. Re:Same newsfeeds by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      But software Easter eggs are not destructive. A better analogy would be paying good money for software that eats itself when you update it. This may explain Windows.

    4. Re:Same newsfeeds by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      Why do you keep going back to multiple news sites if they all cover the same stories and piss you off? That's on you, anonymous whiner.

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  3. at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in cour by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in court

  4. So to get rich by FilmedInNoir · · Score: 1

    I need total disdain for my profession and those surrounding it?

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    1. Re:So to get rich by religionofpeas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No you need to be original. You can't just copy someone else's disdain.

  5. Amazing part by religionofpeas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What I find amazing is that there doesn't seem to be a video showing actual shredding. Just the aftermath.

    1. Re:Amazing part by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      What I find amazing is that there doesn't seem to be a video showing actual shredding. Just the aftermath.

      Why is that amazing? Who shoots video of paintings that just sold at an art auction?

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    2. Re:Amazing part by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      First of all, people shoot videos of any random thing, and there was a room full of people. Secondly, you don't have be filming the painting. You could have a phone in your hand, and then start recording as soon as you see it happening. Thirdly, someone knew it was going to happen.

    3. Re: Amazing part by bugnuts · · Score: 2
    4. Re: Amazing part by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      That makes it even more amazing that video doesn't start until half of the artwork is hanging out.

    5. Re:Amazing part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      https://youtu.be/ShcX_Zvn9WU

      WAKE UP SLASHDOT

    6. Re:Amazing part by Knutsi · · Score: 3, Informative

      The artist posted this himself: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo...

    7. Re:Amazing part by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      These are the rich - they don’t use the phones themselves, they tell Jeeves to do it. But Jeeves’ hands were full holding Missus’ half caff, half decaf venti soy dulche cappuccino and a biscotti.

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    8. Re:Amazing part by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      https://youtu.be/ShcX_Zvn9WU

      WAKE UP SLASHDOT

      thank you

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    9. Re:Amazing part by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      What I find amazing is that there doesn't seem to be a video showing actual shredding. Just the aftermath.

      High end auctions are typically quite private events. I wouldn't be surprised if videoing the proceedings will get you "kindly asked to leave".

    10. Re:Amazing part by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I take that back. Banksy himself videoed it. There were plenty of cameras at the event.

    11. Re:Amazing part by funny_smell · · Score: 1

      Exactly. No ordinary battery would power a radio actively listening for a command for years, and still run a shredder after that.

      I call the "a few years ago I secretly built a shredder into a painting" bullshit.

    12. Re:Amazing part by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      What I find amazing is that there doesn't seem to be a video showing actual shredding. Just the aftermath.

      Why is that amazing? Who shoots video of paintings that just sold at an art auction?

      Someone who knows it is going to happen. So the artist told someone to film it. Secretly probably because the house may not let video be taken.

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    13. Re:Amazing part by spikesahead · · Score: 1

      Yes there is. I'd post a link but there are so many links to it I just couldn't pick one. BBC, new york times, everyone has the video of the art shredding live on camera.

  6. I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by mykepredko · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While a very cool hack and worthy of banksy, I have to question as to whether or not Sotheby's was surprised.

    For this to have worked, the frame must be quite heavy to allow the shredder mechanism to be hidden within a hollowed out area and not be noticed by being heavier at one end. Along with that, the canvas must have seemed to be mounted in an atypical fashion so that the feed and guides were invisible. Finally, I presume that the shredder was controlled by something like a cell phone - I presume there would be a big honking battery in there because I would have to think would be days/weeks between receiving the art, having it on display and then starting the auction.

    As I said, very cool hack, but I can't believe that Sotheby's was surprised by it.

    1. Re:I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by jythie · · Score: 1

      I had a similar thought. The people in the audience might have been stunned by a bit of performance, but I have a hard time believing the auction house itself was surprised.

    2. Re:I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by skoskav · · Score: 1

      I'm more surprised to learn that battery-powered paper shredders exist. What kind of workaholic super lawyer needs to shred documents while on a beach? It seems about as incriminating to be caught with as a spray can or crowbar would.

    3. Re:I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      Just take the core out of a regular shredder, and add some batteries.

    4. Re:I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Maybe the top and sides were filled with batteries, with the shredder and maybe some lead shot at the bottom to balance it out?

      Heavy and bulky frames are the norm for expensive artworks, they don't just stick these things in a frame from Ikea.

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    5. Re:I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by dj245 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Finally, I presume that the shredder was controlled by something like a cell phone - I presume there would be a big honking battery in there because I would have to think would be days/weeks between receiving the art, having it on display and then starting the auction.

      As I said, very cool hack, but I can't believe that Sotheby's was surprised by it.

      Apparently it was in storage for some time, but it was authenticated a short time ago by Pest Control. That would have given them the opportunity to change or charge batteries. Whether or not Sotheby's knew is anyone's guess. I suppose it is possible that Pest Control shushed up the Sotheby's people responsible for supervising them, and perhaps the auctioneering staff didn't know.

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    6. Re:I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by mykepredko · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Thank you.

    7. Re:I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I dunno, some frames are pretty heavy, especially the wooden ones, so it wouldn't be too difficult to put the shredder in the bottom and some batteries in the top and sides to balance it all up. Having the frame cover the guides wouldn't be too unusual either; it's quite common for the outer edge of a canvas or print to be behind the frame - usually it's wrapped all the way around and fixed on the rear. There are any number of release mechanisms that don't suck much juice either; you just need to think beyond the couple of days of your typical smartphone with all feature enabled - a modified camera remote could work very well for instance.

      That said, I'm pretty sure that Sotheby's was aware to at least expect *something* out of the ordinary, if not exactly what was going to happen. Note also it appears to have stopped shredding with the image partially intact and still in the frame in a manner that still allows for display, probably by design so that the buyer is going to be upset either. Quite the opposite in fact; they now have an extremely famous piece of art that is now an extremely famous piece of performance art as well - instant appreciation in value, for those that are into that kind of thing.

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    8. Re:I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by Knuckles · · Score: 1
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    9. Re:I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Finally, I presume that the shredder was controlled by something like a cell phone

      Why? What a waste of battery. A simple 433MHz receiver sitting idle would do it. The battery would last for years. Banksy was in the room at the time of the auction and videoing the process, so at the very least if it WAS a cell phone based system then it wasn't triggered by the phone Banksy was holding.

      I agree on the weight though.

    10. Re:I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

      The artist hand-built the shredder into the frame. Auto-shredding frames are not something you buy. I wanna know who changed the batteries.

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    11. Re:I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Informative

      For this to have worked, the frame must be quite heavy to allow the shredder mechanism to be hidden within a hollowed out area and not be noticed by being heavier at one end. Along with that, the canvas must have seemed to be mounted in an atypical fashion so that the feed and guides were invisible. Finally, I presume that the shredder was controlled by something like a cell phone - I presume there would be a big honking battery in there because I would have to think would be days/weeks between receiving the art, having it on display and then starting the auction.

      I disagree.

      First hardwood frames are REALLY heavy, like surprisingly so. The shredder mechanism isn't going to be an office-type shredder which can handle 6 sheets at once and has a service life of thousands of sheets. It had to shred half a thing once ever. So, it could be of a much lighter construction; it's not like banksy had to worry about it getting blunted through use.

      For the power source, a stack of primary lithium AAs would be more than adequate. And they have a very long shelf life (95% after 20 years).

      http://data.energizer.com/pdfs... (page 14)

      Triggering is an interesting one. Banksy was clearly there or sent someone there since he's subsequently posted a video of the shredding. So, the triggering could have been local either by RF or infra-red. That leads to a lot of interesting options. Sensors based on those are much, much lower power than a cell phone. And you could do something like wake up for a second every hour to listen for a signal, then either deep sleep or stay alert depending.

      It would take some decent EE nouse to design that to last for a long time, but then again a smoke alarm can last a decade off a lithium PP3, and this thing could have had a lot more battery power in it.

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    12. Re:I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      I wanna know who changed the batteries.

      You know that you can buy 10-year Lithium batteries now, right?

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    13. Re:I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by onepoint · · Score: 1

      this is a great line of question to ask, so I went about looking at my frames that I have,
      and sure enough, I have a few wood frames at the size of 2 feet wide by 3.5 feet tall to 4ft tall

      the lowest weight was 7 LBS the highest was 19 LBS.

      never taken apart a shredder so I have to ask, how light can they be? and hold a battery and to receive a signal, to make sure they work.

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    14. Re:I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by onepoint · · Score: 1

      but not in 2006 when the work was created

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    15. Re:I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by dohzer · · Score: 1

      Any electronics can be battery powered. It's not like it needs to run for a long time or anything.
      What I'm more interested in is the triggering mechanism. Surely you don't want it going off at the wrong time.

    16. Re:I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by nctritech · · Score: 1

      In the video posted by the artist to Instagram you can see how it's built. It's a bunch of little modeling knife blades and a motor. It doesn't look terribly complex, and it wouldn't take a lot of engineering at all. You can buy push-button key fob remotes on eBay that trigger a relay on the receiving end. All he/she would have to do is have one of those receivers activate the motor while the button is pressed and stop when the button is released. Voila, half-shredded painting.

    17. Re:I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Assuming he wasn't in cahoots with the seller, engineering something t stay active for 12 years is still a challenge. Also, is that video real? I mean sure it shows a mechanism, but the knie blades look sideways and it really wasn't clear how the painting was fed through in a way that made any kind of sense.

      I like the key fob idea. That's nice and reliable. But what's the power draw? If they're deigned to switch a high load they're probably not heavily engineered for low power draw.

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    18. Re:I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      While a very cool hack and worthy of banksy, I have to question as to whether or not Sotheby's was surprised.

      So if you received a picture in a an original artist's frame you'd think to check the frame for a concealed shredder? There was no question of authenticity, and no stunt like this has ever been concocted before, so there was nothing to be gained from disassembling and possibly damaging the piece. Even if the frame seemed odd, I doubt anyone would have questioned it if the mechanism was fully concealed, because Banksy is odd to begin with. They new Banksy was a little weird, but I see know reason to believe they should have or would have known what was going to happen. Even if they did, they should still have allowed it and kept mum, because the performance was a part of the art and the piece was not truly completed until it did what it did.

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    19. Re:I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

      Also, why wouldn't Sotheby's open the frame to authenticate that it was a true Banksy? Or maybe they did...

    20. Re:I can't believe Sothebys' Was Surprised by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      Those big, ornate, gold painted frames are actually quite heavy on their own. If you ever get a chance to heft one, you'd realize that hollowing it out and replacing parts of the frame could be done and not be noticeable.

  7. I don't know about 2x but definitely worth more by mykepredko · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is art that the artist, presumably, updated after being sold.

    He's publicly updated it especially for the buyer. You don't know if it was specific to this buyer or if there were other options to the shredding depending on the mood of the artist.

    I think it's fair to say it's now worth more.

    1. Re:I don't know about 2x but definitely worth more by crunchygranola · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Some other factors to consider:

      If you look at photos of the post-shredded picture, you see that it is only half shredded (the upper part with the balloon is unshredded) which holds the picture together, and that the image of the girl is still intact, just hanging together in strips. So any claim that is is "destroyed" is factually false. At worst it is "damaged". If the buyer wanted to they could reframe it, with the strips carefully glued down and only close inspection would tell the difference.

      Bansky has used this image many times. This is not his only "Girl with Balloon" image, but it is now his most famous one. How can that not add to its value, even if you dismiss the high end art world as pretentious gits? Fame has always been associated directly with value in art.

      Looking at the post-shred state it does look like a modern conceptual art installation piece (whether you respect that or not is irrelevant). This piece now has a story: the piece of art is what Banksy intended it to be, a dynamic object that changed its state upon be acquired (but without the acquirer knowing about the state change in advance). If the buyer decides they are upset about the final state of the piece, they might be able to get the purchase contract rescinded on the grounds that what they were buying was not fully disclosed, but that depend on the fine print of what they agreed to when they registered to bid. But I bet if they are upset they can resell it for more than they just paid. Famous, you know.

      Last I checked there did not seem to be any statement by the new owner.

      Several posters have asserted here that high end art is a hobby for people and organizations with more money than they know what to do with. And this is true pretty much (give or take a few value-laden terms).

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    2. Re:I don't know about 2x but definitely worth more by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So any claim that is is "destroyed" is factually false. At worst it is "damaged".

      If this was actually the work of Bansky himself the artwork is now not so much "destroy" or "damaged" as it is "completed".

    3. Re:I don't know about 2x but definitely worth more by Solandri · · Score: 2

      As Banksy is alive and active, he's still in control of the valuation of his works. If he's upset that his art is being sold for millions of dollars, all he has to do is crank out a metric ton more art. The widespread availability of his art will then cause the value of each individual work to drop, essentially shredding the investment art collectors have put into his works, without physically damaging his art.

    4. Re:I don't know about 2x but definitely worth more by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      This piece now has a story: the piece of art is what Banksy intended it to be, a dynamic object that changed its state upon be acquired (but without the acquirer knowing about the state change in advance).

      The pretentious were shocked, which was the joke, and ordinary people think it's hilarious. A punchline that keeps giving, that's art.

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    5. Re:I don't know about 2x but definitely worth more by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      As Banksy is alive and active, he's still in control of the valuation of his works. If he's upset that his art is being sold for millions of dollars, all he has to do is crank out a metric ton more art.

      Sounds like something he could indeed have in his pipeline....

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  8. Wow. by BigDukeSix · · Score: 2

    As an erstwhile collector of art, a nerd, and a wannabe evil genius, I am simultaneously appalled, amused, and envious. Bravo, sir. Well played.

  9. Re:Felony by Desler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The buyer is probably ecstatic because they can sell it for much more now that people are claiming it's worth even more now.

  10. Re:He didn't have much moral credibility before th by Desler · · Score: 1

    A "shitty stunt" that likely has increased the value of the work for the buyer?

    Some art-market watchers have suggested the work -- which shows a girl reaching toward a heart-shaped balloon -- could be worth even more in its shredded state.

  11. You misspelled "amazing troll"! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The entite "art' scene is a bunch of pretentious snobish drug addict pricks with way more money than brains, in a huge dick comparison and circle jerk, with not a single person in there having even a single clue. Just like wine "experts", "audiophes" and the likes.

    The more he can expose how much of a joke they are, and the more pain they are having during it, the better. Bonus points for makin money off of it.

    1. Re:You misspelled "amazing troll"! by onepoint · · Score: 1

      I would have agreed with you when I was in my 20's

      but now in my 50's I think I begin to understand why I like Jackson Pollock's work.

      and like that, some other artist as well.

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  12. Re:at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in c by craighansen · · Score: 1

    Banksy gets the $1.3M (minus seller fees), so she's got the funds to defend a suit in court.

  13. Being erstwhile ignorant of the definition by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Word of the day: erstwhile

    Today I looked that word up.
    Tomorrow, erstwhile will be the erstwhile word of the day.

  14. CNN has video footage while it was happening by mykepredko · · Score: 1, Informative
    1. Re:CNN has video footage while it was happening by Knuckles · · Score: 2

      That's after it happened

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    2. Re:CNN has video footage while it was happening by Knuckles · · Score: 2

      Here is the actual shredding from Banksy himself: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo...

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    3. Re:CNN has video footage while it was happening by mykepredko · · Score: 1

      Thank you.

  15. Re:at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in c by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    Sue for what?

    The action house had no reasonable way of knowing and the item was as described, but actions are caveat emptor. And Banksy didn't device the buyer: someone else owned it.
    One could also quite reasonably argue that it was part of the artwork.

    And what a phenomenal piece of performance art it was!

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  16. Re:He didn't have much moral credibility before th by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Shitty stunt? I say performance art of the highest order.

    Bravo!

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  17. Re:at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in c by mysidia · · Score: 1

    The action house had no reasonable way of knowing and the item was as described

    Nevertheless, the action house or seller would be responsible for any loss that happens to the item before the buyer takes possession of it. Bids in an auction aren't UNconditional: they're offers to buy based on the viewing of the item and representations made by the seller --- even if the seller agreed a certain bid one: if the item gets stolen by a robber running in and grabbing it from display or destroyed by a sudden natural disaster or other casualty before delivery is made to the buyer, then the buyer can say the item changed from what they agreed to buy, so they no longer agree to a sale --- and the seller or auction house best have some insurance policy to help repay them for the loss: which is whatever the lost sale is minus salvage value of what's left of the item (if anything).

  18. Re:Felony by BigDukeSix · · Score: 2

    Agree. This painting is now famous. It's going to be worth way more than $1.3M in ten years. Buyer has to be psyched.

  19. Isn't the "art" market by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    just an excuse for rich folks with too much money to spend a day out? Crap like this is what makes me wish for the glory days of a 90% marginal tax rate. If you're gonna shred your money anyway might as well spend it on roads and schools.

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    1. Re:Isn't the "art" market by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not just that, it's an opportunity to pick up some excellent money laundering instruments.

      At this point I wish for the glory days of the 90%+ marginal tax rate about a dozen times per day.

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    2. Re: Isn't the "art" market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just because some dumb assholes spend their money on crap does not mean the other 99% of the wealthy do. However, if that is how they want to spend their money then so be it. The purchase was taxed anyway so half the cost of the sale went to socialist programs already. Did not o to roads or our roads wouldnt suck so much. And finally, even if 99% of the rich pissed away their money that is no justification to ya those who are rational. Actual;y, I can think of several reasons why your entire line of reasoning is crap but that is enough for now.

      In short, you are lazy, jealous, envious, and bitter about those who have more than you want like all Marxist fascists want to use force to take away from your superiors and give to yourself. That makes you an asshole.

    3. Re: Isn't the "art" market by kurkosdr · · Score: 1

      This. Couldn't have said it better.

    4. Re: Isn't the "art" market by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Actually, you're wrong about the tax benefit, or rather, who benefits.

      https://www.dailymotion.com/vi...

    5. Re:Isn't the "art" market by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Crap like what?

      It's actually got a bunch of nerds yourslef included debating the meaning of art. Was the art destroyed or completed? Was the shredding an inherent part of the work? Does the buyer have recourse? Is it worth more?

      Is it art?

      Given how much trolling goes on here I'm surprised at the number of people who don't seem to appreciate that they have just been trolled massively.

      It's provoked thought and discussion. Achievement unlocked.

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    6. Re:Isn't the "art" market by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

      The only thing missing (or at least I haven't seen it) would be the look on the face of the purchaser as his million dollar purchase started to look like Ollie Norths documents.
      That look had to be fucking priceless.....

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    7. Re:Isn't the "art" market by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      That look had to be fucking priceless.....

      The pretentious punchline.

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    8. Re:Isn't the "art" market by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Not more than they'd make as a secretary, but their income should be effectively capped at a sane level, somewhere around a well-paid engineer, I'm thinking $250k/yr.

      The idea of technological progress being hampered in any way by a high marginal tax rate is counter-historical nonsense. There was no period of slowed technological advancement in the 20th century. What did happen under the high marginal tax rate was improving middle class incomes and purchasing power.

      Even if the cost of ending runaway inequality were a halt to technological progress, I'd take it.

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    9. Re:Isn't the "art" market by driblio · · Score: 1

      Financial incentive is not the only incentive, for a start.

      But moreover, what he's saying (I assume) is that everyone who inherits a fortune, makes a fortune through a lucky break or exploits the hard work of thousands of others ought to be prepared to give a bit back.

      Nobody 'earns' a billion dollars. The hardest working people earn the least.

      Look at world around you without a 90% tax rate. Does it look fair to you? Are resources fairly distributed?

    10. Re:Isn't the "art" market by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      Rich people have to put their money somewhere and it's best to diversify. Why not spend $1.4 million on a piece of art that you like if you can afford it? You can sell it later if you want. Besides, the auction house takes a cut of the sale so you're actually helping to employ people!

  20. Re:Expert trolling there. by jcr · · Score: 1

    A girl I was dating some years ago tried to browbeat me into agreeing that Jackson Pollock's work wasn't a total pile of shit by arguing from authority (she had an art degree). She was a pretentious twat. Epic boobs, though.

    -jcr

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  21. Re: Interesting.. by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

    In the US, from the perspective of common law, the buyer would technically have no recourse in a purely civil claim unless he could establish that he suffered harm that can be quantified in dollars... and that he actually DID suffer a net loss. So, he might still have an actionable claim if he suffered indirect harm whose cash value exceeded the instant profit from the art doubling in value... but it would be an uphill battle to quantify the cash value of an emotion like "disappointment".

    There's also & independently the possibility of criminal prosecution ("conversion", for example, might be a tort... but in most jurisdictions, it can ALSO be a criminal offense under certain conditions). The catch with the criminal angle is that the buyer purchased "experimental art" from someone KNOWN for doing things like this, so Banksy could semi-legitimately argue that the unanticipated public shredding was itself integral the art & what was purchased.

    TL/DR: legally, it's the kind of case only the lawyers would collectively win. If the buyer is unhappy, their best recourse would honestly be to just flip the painting to someone else & walk away. At most, a vengeful buyer might spend a fortune, waste time testifying in court, give Banksy a metaphorical black eye... and be blacklisted as a potential art buyer going forward. "Experimental art" is, by definition, kind of fucked up by "normal person standards", and that applies to BOTH artists AND patrons.

  22. They paid for a different kind of art by macraig · · Score: 1

    So what the buyer got for 1.3 million dollars was unique first-of-its-kind performance art....

    1. Re:They paid for a different kind of art by grungeman · · Score: 1

      Not only this, since it only shreddered the paper half, it can still be used as wall art, showing the process of the first ever self destructing art. Therefore the price should be much higher now than before shreddering.

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  23. Re: at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in by bugnuts · · Score: 1

    There's certainly room for stretches of imagination. The bidder can probably refuse to purchase based on then item materially different than advertised, this cannot be "harmed". That is probably the extent of it. Southebys will certainly not legally enforce the bid, but probably give first refusal.

    The bidder will almost certainly buy it anyway.

  24. Re:at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in c by sjames · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Was it lost? They sold a work of art from Banksey. That is, a work of art as Banksey intended for it to be. They just didn't know Banksey intended for it to be shredded. Nevertheless, it is still what it was represented to be.

    According to at least some in the art world, it is worth MORE now than it was, so the buyer can't claim lost value.

    The buyer wanted a piece of art depicting a child losing a balloon. The work turned out to be evocative enough that he actually feels at a visceral level like a child that has just lost a balloon.

  25. Re:Felony by sjames · · Score: 1

    It hasn't been destroyed. It is now exactly what the artist intended, just like any other work of art that hasn't been damaged.

    Had rough handling damaged the shredder such that the work didn't self shred, it would then be damaged and so, the subject of a lawsuit.

  26. This means Banksy was in the audience by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
    For this action to be considered "art" it would have to be performed by the artist. If someone else had triggered the shredding it is just vandalism. That implies that Banksy was controlling the action and so it would be reasonably to assume that he / she / it / them was in the room at the time.

    It makes you wonder if they were the winning bidder?

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    1. Re:This means Banksy was in the audience by skoskav · · Score: 1

      That's a lot of speculation. The person who triggered the shredding could have just been tasked to do it by Banksy.

    2. Re:This means Banksy was in the audience by Knuckles · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:This means Banksy was in the audience by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Given the video Banksy posted on his Instagram... https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo...

    4. Re:This means Banksy was in the audience by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Could have been. He must also have been tasked to video the entire process. Or maybe it was just Bansky I mean it's not like anyone would recognise him.
      https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo...

  27. Re:at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in c by Calydor · · Score: 1

    There is a (weak) argument to be made that the shredding was PART of the art installation.

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  28. Re:Expert trolling. by butzwonker · · Score: 1

    Ahhhh! Spray paintings on street corners are "pseudointellectual and highly pretentious art". Good to know. I bet you're one of those people who say every two minutes in a modern arts museum "***insert stupid laughter*** I could do that myself".

  29. Worth more now by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Each strip is now worth 1.4 million

  30. Re:Shredded Pieces of Paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm shredding my tax documents now. I'm gonna be a billionaire!

  31. xx by mydn · · Score: 1

    News For Nerds
    Stuff That Matters
    None Of The Above

    1. Re:xx by driblio · · Score: 1

      This has more comments that any story on slashdot recently. Nerds clearly care and are arguing about nonsense. It's brilliant. But it doesn't matter.

      Call yourself a nerd, 6 digit? Hand in your card and shave your neck.

  32. Re: at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in by sjames · · Score: 1

    Or you just whooshed.

  33. Re:at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in c by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

    Nevertheless, it is still what it was represented to be.

    How can you claim that?

    It was represented as a complete & undamaged painting. It was sold as a complete and undamaged painting. The paper shredder embedded in the frame was hidden, and thus not part of how it was represented. If you buy a priceless vase and then the sculptor walks on stage and smashes it with a hammer, you don't think that's an issue?

    The buyer should absolutely be able to reject the item, as materially different from what they bid on, if they so choose. (However I suspect they will actually keep it... as you say, it may be valued even higher now)

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  34. Re:He didn't have much moral credibility before th by Baloroth · · Score: 1

    All that means is that the people who buy this art are also pretentious arrogant shitheads who don't care about the art itself, but about the cultural value surrounding the artwork (i.e. they don't want to own artwork because they like the art, but because they like being seen as someone who likes art, which is a very different thing).

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  35. Re:at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in c by Knuckles · · Score: 1

    How can you claim that?

    It was represented as a complete & undamaged painting. It was sold as a complete and undamaged painting. The paper shredder embedded in the frame was hidden, and thus not part of how it was represented. If you buy a priceless vase and then the sculptor walks on stage and smashes it with a hammer, you don't think that's an issue?

    The buyer should absolutely be able to reject the item, as materially different from what they bid on, if they so choose. (However I suspect they will actually keep it... as you say, it may be valued even higher now)

    How do you know?

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  36. Read the fine print. License must not have permitted transferring the work.

  37. Great art is that which evokes emotion by SethJohnson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I support your assertion and say the shredding is 100% part of the installation.

    The original image is that of a child losing a balloon to the wind. Any parent who considers it feels a sinking in their stomach knowing how upsetting this is for the child. Great art is that which can make you experience an emotion. At the moment the shredding began, the buyer was immediately inserted into the body of that little girl losing the balloon. The buyer thought they were going to acquire a prized Banksy art piece and suddenly it was stolen from their hands by the wind, just like that balloon.

    That's just one level of how this piece works. Secondarily, it sparks the exact debate filling posts here on Slashdot- is this valuable art to begin with if the value is increased by 'damaging' it? Banksy has been teasing the art world with this critique for over a decade and this piece is perhaps the epitome of that argument.

    Finally, Banksy is a financial genius building demand for her work with stunts like this. Banksy has artificially controlled availability of her work to preserve the demand and high prices. Here, it seemed as though one of Banksy's iconic paintings was going to be available for a simple exchange of cash -- but not as easy as it would appear! The work committed suicide to escape the collector! And so the hunt continues.....

    1. Re:Great art is that which evokes emotion by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      The original image is that of a child losing a balloon to the wind. Any parent who considers it feels a sinking in their stomach knowing how upsetting this is for the child. Great art is that which can make you experience an emotion. At the moment the shredding began, the buyer was immediately inserted into the body of that little girl losing the balloon. The buyer thought they were going to acquire a prized Banksy art piece and suddenly it was stolen from their hands by the wind, just like that balloon.

      That is a brilliant interpretation, I love it.

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  38. Re: Interesting.. by presidenteloco · · Score: 1

    The art was not destroyed.
    It simply completed its transition to its final intended state.
    This work of art was clearly a process (including a performance), not a thing.

    A brilliant artistic commentary on our and the universe's entropic fate, and our inability to stop it no matter how much money we throw at it.
    Or a cheap prank but clearly in the general style of the prank artist Banksy. whatever.
    Either is a legitimate interpretation of this artwork.

    If you don't get this, you are among those stuffed shirts being pranked by this work.

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  39. Re:He didn't have much moral credibility before th by carlhaagen · · Score: 1

    It's as if you, in the same sort of shortsightedness displayed by Banksy, missed how his whole statement about commercialization of art backfired when his "performance art" caused the object to be valued at twice as much. His statement about art literally turned into him shitting on art itself. There's nothing brilliant about it, and it's entirely undeserving of a bravo.

  40. Re:at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in c by sjames · · Score: 1

    It IS undamaged. The shredder functioned just like it was built to function. The paper is shredded just as the artist intended for it to be shredded. Sometimes, art is surprising. It is supposed to provoke thought and make us question what we know. As such, this piece has proven fit for purpose.

    Interestingly, the more legal action the new owner might take, the more he proves that the work functioned as intended.

    You cannot apply utilitarian criteria to something that is not utilitarian in nature.

  41. Re:He didn't have much moral credibility before th by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    I wish I had such little credibility for my works to be worth millions.

  42. If only Tom Wolfe were alive for that moment! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    There has always been a prank element in modern art. Remember those Warhol pieces that were nothing but giant stenciled prices? What are those going for today, if indeed they are still being traded?

    There has also been art that was intended to be ephemeral, like Christo’s shrouded landforms. Those were not for purchase, though. Did the buyer of this piece know it was about to self-destruct.

  43. Re:Felony by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    If art was considered property of buyer and buyer has no recourse to not execute purchase then artist or whomever destroyed it could be in a lot of pain, soon.

    Especially when you consider that it hasn’t been that long since you could buy a Caravaggio for that price.

  44. Re:Expert trolling there. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    A girl I was dating some years ago tried to browbeat me into agreeing that Jackson Pollock's work wasn't a total pile of shit by arguing from authority (she had an art degree). She was a pretentious twat. Epic boobs, though.

    -jcr

    That’s why I would have kept my mouth shut - during the conversation, of course.

  45. Re:Shredded Pieces of Paper by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    I'm shredding my tax documents now. I'm gonna be a billionaire!

    That only works if you’re President.

  46. I don't know about art by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    But I know what I like and I like that.

  47. Re:He didn't have much moral credibility before th by Knuckles · · Score: 1

    It's as if you, in the same sort of shortsightedness displayed by Banksy, missed how his whole statement about commercialization of art backfired when his "performance art" caused the object to be valued at twice as much. His statement about art literally turned into him shitting on art itself. There's nothing brilliant about it, and it's entirely undeserving of a bravo.

    You really think someone thinking about his art and its place in the art world like Banksy wouldn't foresee that the price would increase, in particular when it is half shredded? That's simply an additional level of commentary that you didn't get

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  48. Re:Expert trolling there. by Knuckles · · Score: 1

    She may have just been fed up with you not getting it

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  49. right in TFA by gosand · · Score: 2
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  50. Re:at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in c by irving47 · · Score: 1

    My Armani will be representing itself, thank you very much.

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  51. Re:Expert trolling. by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

    Art by assholes, for assholes.

  52. Re:at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in c by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    Nevertheless, the action house or seller would be responsible for any loss that happens to the item before the buyer takes possession of it.

    What loss? The work was and remains a Banksy artwork. The built in shredder was clearly always a part of it and it worked as designed. Auctions are caveat emptor and as long as the auction house doesn't fail to reveal anything they could reasonably have known about.

    if the item gets stolen by a robber running in and grabbing it from display or destroyed by a sudden natural disaster or other casualty before delivery is made to the buyer, then the buyer can say the item changed from what they agreed to buy,

    Those are all external. The self-shredding was part of the artwork.

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  53. Re:He didn't have much moral credibility before th by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Look at it this way. Banksy got (among other things) a bunch of tech nerds yelling at each other about the meaning of art rather than vi versus emacs, Linux vs windows or republicans vs democrats.

    What is the point of art if not to provke emotion?

    Just look at the audiences faces in his video (he posted it recently). A 12 year setup for 3 seconds of some of the most epic trolling the world has seen.

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    SJW n. One who posts facts.
  54. Sotheby's Knew. by ktakki · · Score: 1

    Sotheby's had to be in on it.

    - Works up for auction are inspected beforehand, primarily to authenticate. A frame with a shredder mechanism should have been noticed.

    - Auctions usually place works on an easel or stand. This was the only one hung on a wall.

    - It was the last piece to be auctioned that day.

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  55. Not "self" destructed by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

    It sounds to me like the destruction was remotely triggered moments after the sale. Thus the artwork did not destroy itself. A person destroyed it via remote control.

  56. Re:at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in c by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    It was represented as a complete & undamaged painting.

    Was it? Auctions are cavet emptor, provided the auction house discolses anything it is reasonably expected to have known. Given the rarity of hidden shredders, I thik it's a fair assumption that it was reasonable for them to not have known about it.

    It was sold as a complete and undamaged painting.

    Was it? It was sold as:

    signed and dedicated on the reverse
    spray paint and acrylic on canvas, mounted on board, in artist's frame
    101 by 78 by 18 cm. 39 3/4 by 30 3/4 by 7 in.
    Executed in 2006, this work is unique.

    Additionally

    Colour: The colour in the catalogue illustration is fairly accurate although the frame tonality is slightly warmer in the original. Condition: Please refer to the department for a professional condition report.
    "In response to your inquiry, we are pleased to provide you with a general report of the condition of the property described above. Since we are not professional conservators or restorers, we urge you to consult with a restorer or conservator of your choice who will be better able to provide a detailed, professional report. Prospective buyers should inspect each lot to satisfy themselves as to condition and must understand that any statement made by Sotheby's is merely a subjective, qualified opinion. Prospective buyers should also refer to any Important Notices regarding this sale, which are printed in the Sale Catalogue.

    The buyer should absolutely be able to reject the item, as materially different from what they bid on

    It's no though. It is and remains a genuine Banksy. The shredding was materially always part of it.

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    SJW n. One who posts facts.
  57. Art for art's sake. by Snufu · · Score: 1

    Banksy gets it. He is trying to tell everyone.

  58. Sotheby's knew by NimbleSquirrel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I find it impossible to believe that Sotheby's didn't know a thing about this. Any real art curator would have noticed something odd with the frame immediately. I also do not believe that the thing sat there for months/weeks standing by to be triggered (especially cellular trigger) and maintained enough charge to shred anything. This would mean the art curator would have to have been complicit in this too. This would be career ending for an art curator, so it is far more likely that Sotheby's knew about this the whole time.

    I expect that the buyers will sue Sotheby's pretty quickly after this. Even if the remains are now worth double, the work that was sold has been irreparably damaged/destroyed. It can easily be shown that Sotheby's knew or should have known about this. If the buyers don't sue, either Sotheby's buried a clause in their buyer Terms & Conditions, or the buyer was in on this too.

    Either way, this is an elaborate stunt that reveals Banksy as a sellout...

  59. I wouldn't give you a buck ninety five for it by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    I've seen 10 year old kids draw stuff like this. The only reason it is "valued" so high is because of the stuff shirt, nose in the air morons that pay that much for this. Oh well...not my money, really don't give a rip.

    1. Re:I wouldn't give you a buck ninety five for it by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Ten year olds don't use wit, insight and anti-establishmentarian street art in the way that Banksy does.

      That this stencilled image is in itself trivial disregards the broader oeuvre it represents and from which its value derives.

      I'd have paid a tenner for it. I wouldn't pay a tenner for a picture from a ten year old.

    2. Re: I wouldn't give you a buck ninety five for it by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      No you haven't haha. Kids don't have the concept of color balance, for one.

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  60. Reminds me of a scene from "The Magic Christian" by twosat · · Score: 1
  61. Sotheby's needs better security by misnohmer · · Score: 1

    What is there was a bomb in the artwork?

  62. Re:at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in c by Cederic · · Score: 1

    I'd agree with Seth. That the shredder was built into the frame is convincing evidence that this was always part of the piece itself, just a part that hadn't previously revealed itself.

    I'm curious who the seller was, and how it was considered to be worth that much given it was just a print. That's dodgy as hell.

    Fairly it's worth that much now though, just on notoriety as well as the artist's name and reputation.

  63. Re:at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in c by Cederic · · Score: 2

    The paper is shredded just as the artist intended

    That's the bit that impressed me. Damn thing actually worked. He should go into business selling shredders.

  64. how? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    The shredder was built into the frame years ago (according to the artist). So how did he trigger the frame? Any sort of wireless listener would have run out of battery. The tech here is actually pretty interesting.

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  65. Diamonds, Tulips and Fine Art... by ndykman · · Score: 1

    Didn't see much mention of this, but the whole fine art system is basically a way for the really rich to trade wealth without taxation or regulation. The galleries, museums and auction houses play their role in making sure the prices stay high, including just making up bids, refusing to sell to certain people and so on. It's a great way to launder money too.

    And Bansky is playing right into it. If they really didn't care about that system or capitalism, they would refuse to let any of their art to be sold at auction or not allow any one piece to be valuated for more than the average yearly wage in a given country (as an example).

    And this is a perfect example. The owner of the destroyed piece can keep it around and when they have a really good day on the market, they loan it to a museum, which gladly says "well, it's now worth ten million because of the novelty, so we value your donation at 1 million" and poof, there's 1 million they don't have to pay taxes on thanks to their kind donation. Rinse, repeat. It's a scam for the super rich, nothing more.

  66. Re:Expert trolling there. by jcr · · Score: 1

    She had a great deal of ego investment in the premise that art can look like shit and still be worth something. Probably because her own "work" was dismal.

    -jcr

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  67. Re:Expert trolling there. by Knuckles · · Score: 1

    She was right

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  68. Re:Expert trolling there. by jcr · · Score: 1

    Hey, if you want to pay for shit, go for it.

    -jcr

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  69. I can't believe nobody is suggesting a lawsuit by Shaitan · · Score: 1

    If he remote controlled it, he destroyed property he didn't own.

  70. misdirection? by Martin+S. · · Score: 1

    Transience and mutability have always been factors in street art, it is often quickly destroyed, defaced, modified or enhanced.

    Therefore destruction is very much in keeping with this form. However I think there might be more to this.

    In Banksy's video, the blades are clearly parallel to the picture surface and they would not cut it.

    When we see the 'shreds' come out, they look strange, they shows signs of being rolled up. There is also space below the blades. How would the shredded part pass out of the bottom cleanly, they would not, they would collect in that void. That void is large enough for two 'rolls'. A roller to collect the actual picture and roller to unroll shreds out the slot.

    It reminds me of the magic trick of printing, unprinting bank notes. It could even be a clue to an inspiration with fits with his narrative.

  71. Re:at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in c by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

    The stuff that came out of the bottom looked like paper, not canvas.

  72. Mechanical or electrical? by tiniebras · · Score: 1

    My inclination would have been to have used a counter weight to power the roller pushing the painting through the blades. Then you only need a battery to operate the trigger to release the counter weight. I mean if you're building it from scratch and expect not to use it for years mechanical sounds preferable to electrical to me. This might also explain why only half the paper was shredded.

  73. I wanted to shred this as part of MY performance by Dirk+Becher · · Score: 1

    Damn you Bansky!

  74. Re:at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in c by mysidia · · Score: 1

    Those are all external. The self-shredding was part of the artwork.

    Acts of deliberate sabotage before transfer by the artist who commissioned the auction house to sell the work are even STRONGER reasons
    for the buyer to declare the sale invalid and back out.

    It's probably not happening in this case only because the art experts and the buyer's advisors believe this actually increases the uniqueness and value of the piece.

  75. Re:Expert trolling there. by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

    it's based on what you see or get from it.
    For me, 95% of modern art is just crap. I don't get it, don't want to, looks like a waste of time and that the person was making it up as they went along.
    But occasionally something comes along that just works. Can't say why, but it does because it hits on multiple levels. Like a Pun wuth multiple readings.
    Whereas "normal" classical art always looks good, but the superior items don't have quite that emotional impact.

    We could debate this all day. Why do fools pay millions for comic books? coins? classic cars that don't perform as well as modern cars? Everyone's got their thing.

  76. Re:at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in c by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

    No, it is damaged. It is a destroyed copy of "Girl with Balloon". The item description for the auction (eg what the buyer was bidding on) included the phrasing: "mounted on board, in artist's frame", which is clearly no longer valid.

    In fact the artwork has subsequently been re-titled as "Love is in the Bin", a NEW ORIGINAL ARTWORK, that was created "live" during the auction.

    The buyer CHOSE to go through with the purchase, even though it was not what they originally bid on. Meaning they were not obliged to.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/entert...

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  77. Re:at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in c by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

    spray paint and acrylic on canvas, mounted on board, in artist's frame
    101 by 78 by 18 cm. 39 3/4 by 30 3/4 by 7 in.

    And... you think the shredded painting still meets the above description?

    It clearly does not.

    It's no longer mounted. It's no longer in a frame. The dimensions no longer accurately describe a bunch of shredded strips.

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  78. Re:at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in c by sjames · · Score: 1

    The buyer CHOSE to go through with the purchase, even though it was not what they originally bid on. Meaning they were not obliged to.

    No, we have no idea if the buyer was obliged since it was never adjudicated. The buyer chose not to contest it given that the work doubled in value according to experts.

  79. Re:at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in c by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

    The very fact that it's been recognized as a new artwork, worth double the value, means Sotheby's would be quite stupid to insist on the sale.

    It would be in their interest to re-auction it and make more money, if the woman decided not to go through with the purchase.

    Really don't know why you are so adamant that the buyer should've been forced to go through with the purchase. It changed into a new item during the auction.

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  80. Re:at $1.3 Million they have the funds to sue in c by sjames · · Score: 1

    I'm not so sure why you are convinced it changed into a new item. That's not even a physically rational belief. It certainly changed state, and everyone learned something about it's nature, but it was the same item.