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Linus Torvalds is Back in Charge of Linux (zdnet.com)

At Open Source Summit Europe in Edinburgh, Scotland, Linus Torvalds is meeting with Linux's top 40 or so developers at the Maintainers' Summit. This is his first step back in taking over Linux's reins. From a report: A little over a month ago, Torvalds stepped back from running the Linux development community. In a note to the Linux Kernel Mailing List (LKML), Torvalds said, "I need to change some of my behavior, and I want to apologize to the people that my personal behavior hurt and possibly drove away from kernel development entirely. I am going to take time off and get some assistance on how to understand people's emotions and respond appropriately." That time is over. Torvalds is back.

Whether he'll be a kinder and gentler Torvalds remains to be seen. In the Linux 4.19 announcement, Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux's temporary leader and maintainer of the stable branch, wrote: "Linus, I'm handing the kernel tree back to you. You can have the joy of dealing with the merge window :)"

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  1. Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Step 2: Admit that he was blackmailed and fuck all that bullshit he was forced to say.

    1. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Someone stuck a gun to his head? Look, the world is changing whether you like it or not. Linus Torvalds chose to roll with it.

      What's the alternative, spouting a bunch of bullshit nonsense about leading a revolution, and watching Linux get forked, and all the Corporate types (who are 95% of the devs now) follow the Kernel with the Best Code Of Conduct?

      Seriously, when faced with 'take empathy training' or 'lead the community off to the biggest flame war of all time', which did you think he was going to choose?

      Which would YOU choose were you in his position? Personally taking a little empathy training seems like a not-bad tradeoff to avoid Linux Developer Civil War. its not like he's wearing a swasitka now and spouting a bunch of bullshit. Maybe he'll just stop calling people names, and I hope he keeps being Hard about his opinions, just not so personal.

      don't know the difference?

      1. This code is a pile of garbage. -- cricitcism of result, harsh, if the code truly is a pile of garbage marginally acceptable. not constructive at all.
      2. Whoever wrote this code is a fucking idiot -- criticism of perosn, not acceptable, no feedback on if its even the code that is at fault
      3. This code is truly awful and will never be merged because of A, B, and C, and could be improved by doing X, Y, and | -- harsh but completely fair

      Linus will probably fall back to somplece between #1 and #3. And if you don't think thats a choice, you don't understand what that word means and have never had your family threatened by other people for what you SHOULD say.

    2. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by CraigCruden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No matter how good he is -- he would have had to been fired by almost all companies out there.

      Being bluntly honest about that code does or does not live up to standard is not the problem -- just keep it professional. Just eliminate the gratuitous BS that he is known for. Also if it is not up to standard, make it constructive.

    3. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by demon+driver · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Funny how some just cannot help seeing a conspiracy at work only because a bully decides his bully ways were unprofessional, detrimental behaviour, which shouldn't be tolerated whereever people work together.

    4. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because thinking like a conspiracy lunatic is so much better than all this "SJW" nonsense, right?

      You're allowed to be as irrational as you like because SJWs.

    5. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      Step 3 Name names, force the roaches that tried to pull this into the light so they don't have as easy a time with their next target.

    6. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because that kind of change doesn't happen at the flip of a switch. Either he was forced to, or he had some life changing event happen to him that caused him to rethink things. Either way, there is something bigger happening that we may never know about.

    7. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Also if it is not up to standard, make it constructive.

      Some of the cases he called out ended up that way because constructive criticism was met with denial and deflections. In one case I remember the maintainer broke a user land API by introducing a new error code, we got to see Linus laying it in on the maintainer long **after** the maintainer dismissed Linus statements about unacceptable compatibility issues. Wether professional or not BS remains BS and in that case Linus had to tell the maintainer to quit with his BS.

    8. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Consider yourself fortunate to not have worked with someone who is incorrigibly antiproductive. Some people respond well to firm, polite criticism, and will work diligently to correct the problems that have been pointed out. In return, they deserve to be treated with kindness and decorum. Others take any sign of politeness as weakness, and will attempt to bull their way past you unless you adopt a hostile persona. Sometimes you need to take a different tack to get things done when working with them. Working with a global team of (often justifiably) big-egoed people with dozens of affiliations, Linus is more likely than average developer to encounter the latter.

    9. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by dfghjk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Look, the world is changing whether you like it or not. Linus Torvalds chose to roll with it."

      And maybe he just realized he was wrong. This happens every day, even with people who feel entitled to exhibit sociopathic behaviors.

      Perhaps he realized that reducing the frequency of the root cause assumed in all 3 of your examples, "terrible code", is what is needed. Abuse and contempt don't accomplish that, better developers and a better environment do. Better judgement also does, and perhaps he realizes he has some room for improvement there. Software development occurs all the time without this nonsense because many developers are adults.

      But perhaps he doesn't. One thing's certain, sociopaths feel their actions are always justified. Maybe he's an irredeemable a-hole, like the OP, and maybe he's just finally growing up. A hostile work environment is nothing to be proud of and it's not clear that there's anything here to be proud of at all.

    10. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by robsku · · Score: 1

      ...and do you honestly think that Linux would let people just walk over him now? No way.

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    11. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by dfghjk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Doesn't require a life changing event, all it takes is insight that frequently comes with maturity. This happens literally every day and happens to everybody. It's how children become adults.

      We all know many programmers exist in a state of arrested development. Not all are doomed to remain that way.

    12. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by robsku · · Score: 1

      Well, Linus is married with 3 children (no, NOT married to children - 3 children with his spouse, Tove Torvalds), so I doubt there will be any proof of the claim any time soon :)

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    13. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Someone stuck a gun to his head? Look, the world is changing whether you like it or not. Linus Torvalds chose to roll with it.

      Most people have a problem with "diversity initiatives" that look like they came out of the 1953 playbook of "fuck insert race here." This is after decades of "judge by the content of character, not by their skin" with the west moving for a more meritocratic system. And then the leftwing progressives, universities, and government policies that fell all over themselves by giving handouts, freebies, preferential hiring, slots in universities, government jobs to people who wouldn't have cut it otherwise.

      There's a reason why Harvard and several other US universities are being sued for active discrimination against whites and asians.

      Seriously, when faced with 'take empathy training' or 'lead the community off to the biggest flame war of all time', which did you think he was going to choose?

      Easy answer, because outrage mobs have already made the choice for him. If he didn't bow, they'd start slandering him and trying to ruin him financially among others who refused to bow down. So the choice between bowing to the mob that does nothing, and the group that contributes? He made a choice hoping it would blow over.

      Empathy is an interesting thing, problem is the people riding the outrage mob don't care. They don't want empathy, they want their victimization validated. Victimization as a currency is valuable, you can get pretty far on it if you're a shitty human who's done shitty things to people. Because there's an entire mob of people inside that progressive stack who will defend your actions, and go out of their way to ruin the detractors. Matt Taylor, Tim Hunt, Donglegate, take your pick among the hundreds of other cases.

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    14. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile Linux hasn't forked, hasn't been destroyed, the predicted mass exodus of developers and use of the CoC to oust all straight white men hasn't happened.

      Because the twats calling for this to happen/saying it would ahppen were just whiny little alt-right boy-men who've never written a decent line of code in their pointless empty little lives.

    15. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      No matter how good he is -- he would have had to been fired by almost all companies out there.

      And they're almost all humourless boring corporate drone houses run by HR. He should take it as a badge of honour.

    16. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I would, and my AC was upvoted whereas yours was not.

      Yes a bit of hyperbole - but this is the choice Linus was faced with. Don't believe it? #metoo has unseated CEOs and politicans. You think Linus would have 'kept his community together' when he was the biggest insulter on the list?? No way, doesn't matter that everyone who knows him knows he's not overtly sexist - he chose the right path, not because Its Morally Right, here's your red badge of courage, but because this little thing (and its really a little thing) of empath training and a CoC helped keep some upset mob happy.

      America (where Linus lives) no matter what the Alt-right are feeding you, is not a communist re-education camp sort of place, unless that's how you want to live, because if thats the reality your alt-right websites and ideas would not have survived the Obama administration.

      But hey, America is a free country, do what you want and live with the consequences, or so I'm always told...

    17. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Heard this and the other conspiracy theory about Linus never being alone in a room with a woman, but never seen any evidence that it's true.

      You mean when the stuff started coming out that the ada initiative was honeypotting people in order to pressure them out of jobs or positions of influence to get other people in there? That's where the rumors of Linus never being in a room alone with a woman came from.

      Meanwhile Linux hasn't forked, hasn't been destroyed, the predicted mass exodus of developers and use of the CoC to oust all straight white men hasn't happened.

      Yeah the only reason why it didn't happen is because contributors and developers refused to bow to it, and that's the reason why Linus is suddenly coming back. This isn't rocket surgery, this is what happens when a moral busybody pushes something in, gets into place and people go "nope - fuck you" and the entire thing starts to degenerate into a mess of infighting. The "average" people who don't pay attention, were suddenly paying attention when it directly affected them.

      This isn't any different then say, the decade of loss for blue collar jobs via outsourcing and white collar works went on about "lulz low skilled workers, you should have gotten jobs like us." And a bit down the road, those white collar jobs are suddenly being outsourced and "average people" suddenly see it as an issue as well.

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    18. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Someone stuck a gun to his head?

      Yes. He was threatened.

      Linus exclusively uses an ASCII text editor, but this letter had unicode in it. You can see it easily in the quote marks. Either someone else wrote part of it, or he was trying to send a subtle way of showing duress.

      He has indicated before that he has been approached by governmental agencies to add backdoors. When asked about this very question, he would exaggeratedly shake his head "yes" while saying "no", making the audience laugh. This time it's not so funny.

    19. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Luckyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The main problem with Social Justice Warrior mob-style attack is that they function like a pack of hyenas. They will not attack until they sense weakness, but single hyenas will make forays to poke the target for weakness. But they will not make a full out attack until they see a weakness. But once they begin attacking, it's a bloodbath and does not stop until it's a full and unconditional surrender or utter defeat of the target.

      This is why it's critically important that when Social Justice Mob attacks you, you never show any weakness and never flinch in the face of the brutal onslaught. Any sign of weakness, like an apology is a mark on you that you're the weak target and everyone in the pack goes after you instead of just a few scout hyenas poking you.

      Linus caved with his apology and stepping back. He's now either their slave or a pariah in the eyes of anyone who is either a part of Social Justice Mob or is afraid of them and therefore will not take his side in fear of becoming a target himself.

      He's done. That's the sad reality of the polarized world of today.

    20. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Not really. The reason why it didn't happen is because there was no reason for it to happen in the first place. All the people complaining about SJWs are quickly becoming far more obtrusive than the SJWs themselves.

      Really? So explain how people who don't want intrusiveness in their lives and to be left alone is more obtrusive then SJW's who want to restrict speech, engage in witch hunts, and demand historical monuments to be torn down are worse.

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    21. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by shaitand · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There is nothing constructive about walking on eggshells. People should take ownership of their own feelings. Feelings are valid, in the sense you feel them, it doesn't mean they are reasonable, appropriate, or fair. Even if they are reasonable and appropriate and fair they are still your responsibility and concern not those of others. If a person isn't feeling hateful and you feel they are hateful just because they are harsh, rough spoken, or insensitive, it is you who is wrong.

      People who are so thinned skinned they get upset about any of your examples (outside of being disappointed in themselves for producing a poor result) are the ones who need training. They have problems with emotional stability.

      "Linus will probably fall back to somplece between #1 and #3. And if you don't think thats a choice, you don't understand what that word means and have never had your family threatened by other people for what you SHOULD say."

      SJW are threatening you and and your family for what they think you SHOULD say. Do you want to talk about actual emotional trauma, how about walking around terrified under constant threat of having your name and family being equated to the most genocidal monsters in human history? Every moment of every day any minor slip of SOMEONE ELSES inner thoughts and whimsical feelings potentially able to destroy your career and ability to provide for your family.

    22. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Look, the world is changing whether you like it or not.

      That's a great argument for climate change. :-p

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    23. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Someone stuck a gun to his head? Look, the world is changing whether you like it or not. Linus Torvalds chose to roll with it.

      What's the alternative, spouting a bunch of bullshit nonsense about leading a revolution, and watching Linux get forked, and all the Corporate types (who are 95% of the devs now) follow the Kernel with the Best Code Of Conduct?

      Not what happened. Perhaps the man got older and wiser - or just a little bit softer.
      But I am sure he was not forced in any way or form. I browse the kernel mailing list from time to time. It is mostly the same names as 10 and 20 years ago. 'Corporate types' simply aren't a 95% majority - even if all the unknown names are such people. It is not an environment that would care about 'a code of conduct'. Linus may have decided to change his own style, there is no sign of a CoC being forced on anyone else.

      It may be hard to understand, but Linus and the other lead developers are immune to the power tricks known from business. "Twist his arm"? Nope, he doesn't have a boss. Doesn't answer to a board. No can do. Shady backroom deals and partners suddenly changing side? Nope, Linux is not a business, it doesn't work that way. RedHat may be attacked in such a way - not Linux and not Linus himself. A real or fake metoo-attack, and threats of boycott unless he steps down? Haha. Some just don't get it. Linux is not dependent on a revenue stream, there is no money to shut off to shut things down. And while some businesses are involved - they are many and all independent of each other. Occationally, those who don't know better claims Linux has small market share, and will therefore go away soon. But that sort of reasoning is only valid for businesses depending on profit, where market share decides how effective your marketing can be. Linux does not depend on profit, and market share is irrelevant to its continued success. Which is why it doesn't disappear, and instead increase market share slowly over the decades. Hype requires continuous marketing, technical reputation among experts do not. Businesses with expenses need profits, a volunteer system do not.

      Attacking Linux is not like attacking a business. It is more like attacking the church. History has seen such attacks - monarchs and communists has occationally decided to nationalise/confiscate church property. A type of attack that would wipe out even the largest business in a day - but the church never depended on property, and endured. So will Linux.

    24. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Mashiki · · Score: 1, Troll

      Reminds me of McCarthyism - whatever was really there was dwarfed by the paranoia, the fear that SJWs are everywhere and anyone could be one.

      Except McCarthy was right. It's not that the paranoia of SJW's are everywhere. They declare themselves loudly that they're such, that they're "fighting for social justice". It's the fact that they're having a negative impact on society and people have had enough. This isn't paranoia, when the self-proclaimed actors proudly cheer their actions and fucking people over. So, tell me. Which group is telling people that if you don't want illegals in your country you're: "Racist, sexist, homophobic, misandrist, xenophobes."

      You can look at any business in the west and see how SJW's and their various allies have reduced the chances of female employment(you can thank metoo) for that one. You can see the destruction of historical monuments pushed by them. You can see their attempts to reduce free speech. You can see how they align themselves in support of violent actions against people who don't agree with their ideology. You can see them protesting VoterID laws, lawful immigration, cheering the banning of books.

      Hey, you want to believe that they're nobodies by all means. But it's far harder to believe when they're in charge of the education system and telling teachers not to teach "How to kill a mockingbird" because racism.

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    25. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Interesting description of SJW tactics. Such tactics won't work though. SJWs may think they scored an important point - but I don't think they will get any further. Linux development is still a meritocracy, SJWs hold no power over such organizations. Linux himself may have issued an apology - no "tought police" has been installed anywhere.

      The mob attack only works when SJWs have time to install themselves in positions of power. But they aren't capable of real work, and so cannot get power in a true meritocracy. So they love infiltrating HR departments or leader positions (when capable of getting them) or steering committees. Committees are often seen as 'the boring stuff' so they can get in by volunteering - then they strike. But Linux development is a true meritocracy. There is no HR department (it is not a business anyway) and no steering committee. No power positions they can worm their way into, in order to ruin things or mess with individuals. One almost feel sorry for the SJWs in this case :-) . I am not sure they even tried - perhaps Linus just came up with his apology on his own.

    26. Re: Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by jd · · Score: 1

      Most of the time, the immaturity is a good thing. You can advance nothing if you accept everything.

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    27. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by t0rkm3 · · Score: 1

      I somewhat agree, but I find that part of the empathy culture is a bunch of lazy asses expecting me to use my empathy to explain exactly how they should do their job.

      I am paid to think. You are paid to think. If you are not thinking and expecting me to think for you, then you are overpaid and attempting to take over my time and pay for your benefit.

      Step off.

      Instead, something akin to:
      1. "Hey, I don't know what the fuck you were thinking. Please re-read what you just sent me!"
      This is a perfectly reasonable response. If you'd like further coaching, please come see me later with a coffee or a beer destination in mind, and we'll work through it.

      However, the sensitivity training prevents people from actually being responsible for their own workload, they can just go whine to mommy that someone isn't helping them enough, rather than doing the proper research themselves.

      I'm sad for linux and Linus, but this too shall pass.

    28. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most people have a problem with "diversity initiatives" that look like they came out of the 1953 playbook of "fuck insert race here."

      And what does that have to do with the Linux Code of Conduct? What part of it is like a "1953 playbook of fuck insert race here"?

      The real problem is snowflakes who are triggered by the mere suggestion that they shouldn't be assholes all the time (part time is fine), and then assume that it's a giant conspiracy against their race and soon they will be the ones at the back of the bus.

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    29. Re: Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by jd · · Score: 2

      I live in a complex one. It's like a real world but it has imaginary components. if

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    30. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You live in a very fucked-up non-reality bro

    31. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by shaitand · · Score: 2

      "What evidence do we have that Linus was threatened"

      Linus referenced it in his own statement. Linus Torvalds constitutes one of the most credible witnesses on the planet. He might be a jerk but his credibility certainly isn't in question.

    32. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is nothing constructive about walking on eggshells.

      Straw man. Nobody suggested walking on eggshells. They suggested being professional and courteous. If you can't express yourself while being those things, the problem is you and your inadequate vocabulary.

      People should take ownership of their own feelings. Feelings are valid, in the sense you feel them, it doesn't mean they are reasonable, appropriate, or fair.

      Yes, that's right. That's why it's not appropriate for Linus to let his feelings run away with him, and cause him to abuse people unnecessarily.

      SJW are threatening you and and your family for what they think you SHOULD say.

      [citation needed]

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    33. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by forkfail · · Score: 1

      Let's for the moment say that your premise is correct.

      That those who have the intelligence and drive to build the things that make life better for a lot of people.

      This means that there are two options. First, let them be nerds and build things and enjoy a better life.

      Or try to get a "piece of their action" by trying to make them conform to your personal standards of etiquette and worldview to make room for those who can't really build things, but think it would be cool to build them. And then wake up one day and discover that no one is really making cool stuff anymore.

      This isn't to say that there aren't a lot of kind, caring people who build cool stuff. But if you make the criteria for entrance into the field feeling based instead of intelligence based, you have created a non-sustainable situation that will wind up consuming itself.

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    34. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most of these people have never actually been in any management position, and most of them, quite frankly, are all talk on anonymous forums, but when push comes to shove, if they're hauled to the mat by their HR department for being insufferable prats, they'll roll over.

      I have a great deal of admiration for Linus. He's pulled off one of the most extraordinary technology achievements in history. He gave the still pretty young open source community a functioning *nix kernel unimpeded (no matter what SCO thought) by the crazy licensing issues which had prevented Unix's adoption beyond servers and high end workstations.

      But he's a fucking asshole. There are ways to deal with people who are doing substandard work that doesn't involve vast streams of personal insults. There are even ways of basically telling someone who has clearly subpar skills to take a walk that don't involve public dressings down. That kind of behavior effects all the developers, even the ones who are doing a damned good job. And the realpolitik of the situation is pretty simple; much of Linux is being developed by developers in corporate environments, and those corporations pretty much all of have codes of conduct, and they have every right to expect that the maintainer and overall strategist for the project that they are contributing resources to abide by a similar set of rules. If Linus wanted to prevent forking of Linux, in effect he being fired, and someone else whose vision, quite frankly, might not be at all in the open source community's best interests, taking over the fork with the greater resources, he had to alter his behavior and demonstrate that he meant it.

      So all the chest thumpers here can basically get stuffed. They're delusional beta male types who like to imagine themselves in some alternative universe being alpha males. They've got a massive inferiority complex that they betray every time they talk about SJWs. They're mean spirited fantasists who in all likelihood will never be in any kind of management position because, well, they're emotionally-fraught cunts.

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    35. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by raftpeople · · Score: 1

      There is also nothing constructive about emotional outbursts. Calm, unbiased, pragmatic, methodical and limited emotions is (in my experience) the most productive environment, by far.

    36. Re: Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Type44Q · · Score: 2

      But he's a fucking asshole.

      And yet we could use more just like him.*

      *The problem isn't abrasive and impatient pragmatists; it's chaotic, confused minds and fragile egos.

    37. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's his project, he can do whatever the fuck he wants. He can behave however the fuck he wants. If people don't want to stick around then they can go bang out some code for FreeBSD or something. No Linux fork would survive very long. I will not bow for one second to the leftist hypocritical SJW mob. I will not censor my opinions are hold my tongue because someone may be "disadvantaged" or female. They are turning this world to shit quite fast and if nothing is done to end the SJW reign of terror, no one will be safe. Anyone can end up on the chopping block simply for the crime of hurting someone's poor little feelings or simply not acknowledging their victimhood and flogging oneself accordingly. Fuck these people, I'd rather they walk than the community bend one inch to make them happy.

    38. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I'm really hoping that a more accommodating environment will allow more voices to get heard and prevent future messes such as BTRFS.

      Remember when the fact that a poorly timed crash could completely delete old files was defended as a design decision with much rigor and insult? It wasn't Linus doing so, but it was certainly a product of the culture.

      I suspect a little more willingness to hear sanity from others would have lead to the primary next gen file-system. It sounds like there were a lot of cultural issues around the IO scheduler too, which actually lead to me to stop using Linux as my primary desktop (huge (10s of seconds) random lags way too often because apparently not having an SSD in the late 00s meant I was basically unsupported.

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    39. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Most people have a problem with "diversity initiatives" that look like they came out of the 1953 playbook of "fuck insert race here."

      Correct. Fortunately these diversity initiatives only exist in the mad ramblings of the far right, as admitted justification to further oppress people.

      This is after decades of "judge by the content of character, not by their skin" with the west moving for a more meritocratic system. And then the rightwing conservatives, Christian universities, and government policies that fell all over themselves by giving handouts, freebies, preferential hiring, slots in universities, government jobs to people who wouldn't have cut it otherwise.

      Fixed that for you. You're quite welcome.

      There's a reason why Harvard and several other US universities are being sued for active discrimination against whites and asians.

      Funny that the only mention I can find of this is on literal fake news sites. Not a single public record has any mention of this. I think mine should cover it, I could use an extra $10k from idiots!

      Easy answer, because outrage mobs have already made the choice for him. If he didn't bow, they'd start slandering him and trying to ruin him financially among others who refused to bow down. So the choice between bowing to the rightwing mob that does nothing, and the group that contributes? He made a choice hoping it would blow over.

      Fixed that for you too. It's well known that conservatives only allow others that believe math and science and reading comprehension are all liberal conspiracies.

      Empathy is an interesting thing, problem is the people riding the outrage mob don't care. The right don't want empathy, they want their victimization validated. Victimization as a currency is valuable, you can get pretty far on it if you're a rightwing human who's done shitty things to people. Because there's an entire mob of people inside that conservative stack who will defend your actions, and go out of their way to ruin the detractors. Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Gamergate, take your pick among the hundreds of other cases.

      There, now your entire post is factually correct. You're welcome. Try not to make so many mistakes next time, you're kinda proving to everyone that you haven't graduated high school yet ;)

    40. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      and you struggle with reading comprehension, don't you?

      First you call Torvalds a sociopath then you wonder out loud if he's an "asshole" and now you are flinging childish insults at others.

      Keep up the yeoman's work.

    41. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We all know many programmers exist in a state of arrested development.

      Let me guess. We're all "incels" too, especially the ones of us who have sex with men and not women. Arrested development is proven by our lack of sexual history with cisgender women (and only cisgender women--trans women are just another class of "incel" to you assholes).

      Saying "your fizz buzz code isn't working because of this part, and here's how we can approach the problem and develop a fix" constitutes abuse to you assholes.

      I've done this more than enough times. It's over. You have no power over me.

      #MGTOW... and why can't a trans woman go her own way too. We don't need you sycophants and your vision of womanhood existing solely as a token to be cynically traded by those in power in the form of sexuality reifying patriarchal norms, as though a woman's sexuality is nothing more than a form of currency used in the brokerage of political power.

    42. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the excellent example. Everyone who disagrees with the idea of an extreme problem that must be corrected even further at their own expense AND corrected in the manner the SJW demands is a sociopath. Just because you have feelings doesn't mean they rule your decisions and just because you have empathy for others doesn't mean you have to place their feelings above your own interests and concerns. Doing so does not make you a sociopath.

      That kind of logic might be slightly more valid when considering a politician who actually has the job of putting the concerns of their constituents above others. Sociopathic or not their self-interest might conflict with what is best for their constituents.

    43. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      He did not reference being threatened by SJWs. Please provide a link to the statement in question and quote the part where he makes this claim.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    44. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by gman003 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Have you actually read a code of conduct? It's not "walking on eggshells", it's "be a decent, professional human being".

      Let's look at the Linux one you're so upset about. What does it prohibit?
      * Sexualized language, imagery, and unwelcome advances
      * Trolling
      * Insults and personal attacks
      * Harassment
      * Doxing
      * "Other conduct which could reasonably be considered inappropriate in a professional setting"

      What are the consequences? Not being allowed to contribute to the codebase. That's it. You can still access the code, mod it, fork it, use it, whatever you want. They just won't be accepting your patches and will be blocking your emails.

      In other words, this CoC says "any shit that would get you fired from a 'real' job will get you fired from an open-source job". Which seems fair to me. Linux might not be a for-profit business, but it's a large enough, and important enough, project that it needs people who are professionals, not assholes.

    45. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by shaitand · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Straw man. Nobody suggested walking on eggshells. They suggested being professional and courteous. If you can't express yourself while being those things, the problem is you and your inadequate vocabulary."

      Having to stop and expend effort on avoiding offense rather than putting your thought on the actual message your communication is meant to convey, particularly because of fear of social outcry and your words being twisted, is walking on eggshells. To suggest anything that amounts to that, is walking on eggshells. You achieve a far more professional and tolerant result by applying the principle of philosophical charity to the speaker than rescinding it and demanding the speaker cater to unknown, changing, conflicting, and fickle sensitivities of the audience. Note, I'm not defining which speaker, what message, or what audience. The logical principle is sound agnostic of those considerations.

      You can extract value from logically sound arguments whether the speaker is biased or not. If the speaker is biased the result of applying philosophical charity will be to transform their invalid argument into a stronger and more valid one which does have merit. In this manner you do not need to fear the quality, merit, or agenda of the speaker because their argument carries it's own merits or lack thereof.

      "Yes, that's right. That's why it's not appropriate for Linus to let his feelings run away with him, and cause him to abuse people unnecessarily."

      Which is something for Linus to evaluate, judge, and decide for himself via self-analysis. For all the negativity applied to the idea of a double standard, the best result comes from a double standard wherein you apply logical charity and forgiveness to others and forgiveness alongside internal correction and analysis to oneself. It is not my or your place to correct or judge Linus' feelings, acting in a logical manner requires considering the validity of what is spoken not the speaker.

      "[citation needed]"

      Please refer to your own post here which is nowhere near as extreme but likely a good example of the concept with good intention:

      "That's why it's not appropriate for Linus to let his feelings run away with him"

      The question is not whether that is appropriate. In most cases I am not proud of letting my feelings run away with me as you'd say. But that is a judgement for Linus to make in self-analysis about whether he feels that is what he is doing. If we apply philosophical charity to his arguments the responses will contrast and highlight that to him because they will inherit the logical strengths of his perspective. If we instead apply judgement of him that only blinds us to the logical merit that came alongside any inappropriate sentiment he expressed alongside making him feel defensive and attacked making him lose face and more angry. Even worse, we might be wrong and he may simply have been ambivalent or ignorant of sensitivities and passionate about his point.

      If enough people pass judgement like you have it undermines his ability to lead a technical project even if he is the best technical person to do so. It attacks his reputation and weakens his character. Further it makes it more challenging for him to grow and develop his character. This threatens his career and his family. It also threatens the entire project.

      The group of roles for which it is more important what social values they represent than how well they function in their role is extremely slim. It feels like people are forgetting that and blurring the lines.

    46. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Indeed. In my experience the most sound logic applies in applying philosophical charity to strengthen and remove emotion from the arguments and comments of others so that you take the most value from it. There might be little value in bursting with emotion but there might be logical value in the argument or concept underlying the emotion. Especially if someone with a conflicting view is trying to find it and reconcile it with their own viewpoint. Doing otherwise blinds you to that value and runs the risk of getting caught up in emotion yourself either in outrage or empathy.

      It is generally better to leave others to judge themselves on such things alongside constant self-analysis. Even the most arrogant are prone to self-doubt, a calm and rational response which integrates the strengths in their outburst without the emotion is disarming and may stand as a chilling non-offensive contrast that may lead to self-analysis. It also leaves everyone in a position to self-correct without losing face or judgement. A true lack of merit isn't being ignorant or incorrect yesterday, it is in the inability to grow beyond where you were yesterday.

    47. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Xenographic · · Score: 4, Informative

      > Correct. Fortunately these diversity initiatives only exist in the mad ramblings of the far right, as admitted justification to further oppress people.

      Tell that to Harvard, they're in court over that.

      > Funny that the only mention I can find of this is on literal fake news sites. Not a single public record has any mention of this.

      https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/jun/15/harvard-sued-discrimination-against-asian-americans
      https://www.npr.org/2018/06/15/620368377/harvard-accused-of-racial-balancing-lawsuit-says-asian-americans-treated-unfairl

      If you want to call those "literal fake news sites," it's a free country ... :)

      Guess I'd better use DuckDuckGo to dig up public records for this and an earlier lawsuit:

      http://samv91khoyt2i553a2t1s05i-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/SFFA-v.-Harvard-Complaint.pdf
      https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/14-981

      > It's well known that conservatives only allow others that believe math and science and reading comprehension are all liberal conspiracies.

      Most relevant to this, here's Linus' daughter, signing the post-meritocracy manifesto. So instead of building the best Linux for the benefit of everyone, we should worry more about politics.

      Here's a liberal trying to decolonize science so we can get rid of the racism, in which they're saying things like "through black magic" people can send lightning to strike someone and then asking "can you explain that scientifically?" Is this part of that magical liberal bias in reality? :)

      CNN has declared that "math is racist" (archive).

      In general, a lot of this nonsense traces back to the ideas of critical theory. There are groups who think that every wrong in the world traces back to bad power structures which they need to deconstruct and recreate to achieve fairness. It should tell you something when they're currently trying to deconstruct things like science and meritocracy, though...

      The irony is that none of that is necessary and it's actively harmful to the supposed goals. It's true that bad luck, oppression, disasters, etc. unfairly keep some people down or prop others up. The right way to fix that would be to help all disadvantaged people equally. Insofar as certain groups have been historically kept down as such, this would disproportionately help them and right things over time. Instead, it's more fashionable to decide that help must be on the basis of group membership, which instead creates new competition among groups and animosity.

    48. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      That isn't entirely true. Feelings serve an important function. We feel hunger, thirst, and cold far before we have logical basis to support those needs and we'd never have survived long enough to understand those impulses if we hadn't acted on feelings. It was sentiment that caused people to put a stop to slavery, genocide, resist imbreeding, and resist cannibalism. It was much much later that we had the understanding and the science to explain why those were bad in cold logic.

      Our brains and bodies are biological super-computers but their native language is not cold logic even in the coldest of us, they are pattern recognition systems which and we recognize vague patterns even without understanding the reasons. That isn't to say they are error free or there isn't a greater or deeper pattern to recognize. Even a logical argument will first "feel" logical or illogical which leads to you examining it more closely. The advantage of cold reasoning is that either feeling leads to closer examination and self-doubt along with a set of rules to examine it with. This develops a cycle of self-neural training on the argument, the patterns that trigger the feeling, and the logical rules themselves.

    49. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by shaitand · · Score: 4, Informative

      Linus Torvalds on the code of Conduct.

      "Instead of a 'common goal', you end up with horrible fighting between different 'in-groups'. It's very polarising, and both sides love egging the other side on. It's not even a 'discussion', it's just people shouting at each other. That's actually the reason I for the longest time did not want to be involved with the whole CoC discussion in the first place. That whole subject seems to very easily just devolve and become unproductive. And I found a lot of the people who pushed for a CoC and criticised me for cursing to be hypocritical and pointless. I could easily point you to various tweet storms by people who criticise my 'white cis male' behaviour, while at the same time cursing more than I ever do."

      And again here:

      "So that's my excuse for dismissing a lot of the politically correct concerns for years. I felt it wasn't worth it. Anybody who uses the words 'white cis male privilege' was simply not worth my time even talking to, I felt. "And I'm still not apologising for my gender or the colour of my skin, or the fact that I happen to have the common sexual orientation. What changed? Maybe it was me, but I was also made very aware of some of the behaviour of the 'other' side in the discussion. Because I may have my reservations about excessive political correctness, but honestly, I absolutely do not want to be seen as being in the same camp as the low-life scum on the internet that think it's OK to be a white nationalist Nazi, and have some truly nasty misogynistic, homophobic or transphobic behaviour."

      It is fair to paraphrase this as his reputation and integrity, his life's work, and his achievements being threatened by unsubstantiated and invalid comparisons to "low-life scum on the internet that think it's OK to be a white nationalist Nazi, and have some truly nasty misogynistic, homophobic or transphobic behaviour."

      Were you looking for threats of violence (which frankly are less alarming and damaging overall than attacks on the character and structure of society). There are groups of SJWs advocating violence toward Nazi's... when random straight white males are being invalidly equated to Nazi's that means general advocacy of violence toward straight white males. This is no different than advocating violence against all Muslims and equating them all to terrorists or considering any who won't disavow Islam to be terrorists.

    50. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Except McCarthy was right.

      Holy crap.

      There were not communists everywhere. Most of the people accused of being communists and "un-American" were not. Innocent people lost everything because of the witch hunt.

      You say SJWs are hunting and destroying their enemies, yet you think the guy who famously did just that on the flimsiest of evidence, often mere rumour or aggressive and unfair questioning, was right. McCarthy, the poster boy for paranoid delusions of conspiracies.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    51. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      But was laying it on them necessary, or could Linus just have said "no, this code isn't good enough, refer to my earlier email about it, patch rejected"?

      Functionally there is no difference.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    52. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      You know, you have to take your meds every day. Once is not enough.

      --
      You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
    53. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by shaitand · · Score: 2

      "Let's look at the Linux one you're so upset about. What does it prohibit?
      * Sexualized language, imagery, and unwelcome advances
      * Trolling
      * Insults and personal attacks
      * Harassment
      * Doxing
      * "Other conduct which could reasonably be considered inappropriate in a professional setting""

      I think you'll find the issue is less about the rules than the interpretation. Also, not one of those things is about ability to perform.

      "Linux might not be a for-profit business, but it's a large enough, and important enough, project that it needs people who are professionals, not assholes."

      It's important enough to be blind to those issues which have no impact. Large publicly traded companies rightly have policies like this in order to avoid prejudice impacting someone's ability to live in accord with their merit. The idea isn't to get rid of the assholes, the idea is to enable people the assholes don't like to have the opportunity to prove their merit. There is no need for that in the effectively anonymous setting of open-source development, your work output can speak for itself.

    54. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

      Straw man. Nobody suggested walking on eggshells. They suggested being professional and courteous. If you can't express yourself while being those things, the problem is you and your inadequate vocabulary.

      So what if it is? Then what?

      Lets assume everyone agrees 'Villager A' is a mean nasty person who makes everyone "feel" bad. 'Villager A' is simply incapable of being professional or courteous without "pretending" and even then he sucks at it.

      Does this mean 'Villager A' has no place and is not welcomed to participate in society? 'Villager A' is not allowed to have a job (everyone knows what he said, Internet never forgets) or contribute to an open source project just because everyone else doesn't like mean nasty 'Villager A' and is totally unwilling to tolerate him? What would you have 'Villager A' do? Fight rats for food? Rot in a dungeon? Kill himself?

      The price we all pay for an open society and also very much what makes professionals professional is tolerance of others. No matter how much you insult, annoy and offend I will still tolerate your (pathetic) existence and won't try and force you to shut up and go away. (Please leave)

      DFTT = freedom
      CoC = tyranny

    55. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's right there on page 23:

      The other reason I need to step back for a few weeks is because of an encounter I had recently, which shattered my nerves and gave me reason to pause. I was walking along one day when all of a sudden three women, dressed in boilersuits and with cropped hair, jumped out from behind a wall. As someone who's a keen reader of Eric Raymond's blog, I recognized these three immediately as the infamous "Feminazis", women who suffer a deep loathing of men for no reason whatsoever. They ushered me into a dark alley, where I was beaten for several minutes by all three, all using thick hardback copies of "Men, why they suck" by Andrea Dworkin.

      "What do you want?" I cried. And finally they stopped and the middle one looked at me. "We are womyn, spelt with a 'y', and we want you to immediately stop imposing your male toxic patriarchy on otherkin, whatever that means" she said. "Even though we fit the stereotype of second wave feminists, we are actually third wave, and as such plan to make fake allegations against you, such as suggesting you might have accidentally brushed against us once in a corridor, which constitutes assault and which would ruin your career forever if we do. However, there is one way you can stop us."

      "What's that?" I begged.

      "We want you to let Sarah Sharp run Linux from now on".

      I gasped, and fled, before going back to agree. You see, I knew something they didn't, that Sarah Sharp had changed hir name. Checkmate feminists.

      As you can see, pretty harrowing stuff, that really happened.

      CAPTCHA: Arouse. So now I'm being MIND RAPED by Slashdot's CAPTCHA system.

    56. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Did Linus' project surrender and accept the SJW model of behaviour control?

      My understanding is that the answer here is yes. The police for the rules will be the hyenas.

    57. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Well the primary reason is that those people demand others self-censor and not criticise their behaviour, because it makes them uncomfortable and sometimes has other consequences. Of course they are happy to criticise everyone and everything all the time, because they think they are right. It's wrongthink that they object to.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    58. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      And I found a lot of the people who pushed for a CoC and criticised me for cursing to be hypocritical and pointless.

      So you are saying he was forced to apologise by the criticism he found hypocritical and pointless?

      And I'm still not apologising for my gender or the colour of my skin, or the fact that I happen to have the common sexual orientation.

      Yep, SJWs definitely got to him, forcing him to NOT apologise for being a straight white male.

      Because I may have my reservations about excessive political correctness, but honestly, I absolutely do not want to be seen as being in the same camp as the low-life scum on the internet that think it's OK to be a white nationalist Nazi, and have some truly nasty misogynistic, homophobic or transphobic behaviour.

      And the truth comes out. He noticed his behaviour was similar to some pretty awful people whose views he regarded as "truly nasty" and decided that he should change it.

      How did you read his statement that went out of its way to say he wasn't pressured in to it or forced to apologise, which did its best to debunk your conspiracy theory, and yet somehow interpreted it as evidence you were right?

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    59. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by gman003 · · Score: 1

      The interpretation, in this case, is ultimately up to Linus. The guy who is notoriously blunt and unwilling to put up with bullshit. Your drivers suck? Fuck you, fix it. You broke userspace? Fuck you, fix it. Yeah, I'm having a real hard time imagining him kicking someone off the kernel team because they didn't properly conjugate some personal pronoun invented two weeks ago.

      Humans, and human society, do not work well with absolute, precise rules. That's why even our actual laws are subject to the interpretation and flexibility of judges and juries - the real world is full of complications that no fixed rules can handle, so sometimes we need a human who can decide what best fits the intended spirit of the rules. I know, as a computer person, we want everything to be completely logical and predictable, but a code of conduct that could encompass all the foibles and nuance of human interaction would be a bigger project than Linux itself.

      That's why so much of the Code of Conduct is about defining what it's trying to accomplish, rather than what it forbids and allows. It recognizes the reality is "the people running the project decide who can and cannot work with them".

      Also, the code of conduct says nothing about merit because code quality already has its own rules. If your code sucks, the patch gets rejected, doesn't matter how politely you ask. A code of conduct is, quite logically, about conduct - how you conduct business among other developers. It even explicitly states that it only affects conduct done for or in the name of the project, so whatever antisocial shit you get up to in your free time is up to you, as long as you don't bring it to work with you.

    60. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The _rudest_ thing he could have written was: 'i have revoked your access to the group! Go away.'

      The flame was a last warning, Linus should have just kicked the dense coder out, but he's a softy.

      I've run some projects in my day, I don't yell, I fire. If someone IS such an asshole that they MAKE me be an asshole to get their jobs done, I just get rid of them.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    61. Re: Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Yep, sure. The loudest complainers are usually those who never have seen an actual SJW in their whole life. It is like with the actual neonazis screaming foreigners GTFO - they are the loudest in the areas where there are barely any foreigners in the first place.

      --
      "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
    62. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The basic injustice in life is woman have half the money and all the pussy.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    63. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Dude, you never know.

      She might be able to solve a mini rubik's cube with her vaginal muscles.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    64. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      KGB archives are open. Not only were there a lot of actual commies, a large percentage where taking cash from the USSR.

      The CP USA was funded by the USSR, that was considered 'conspiratorial', but is now proven.

      McCarthy himself was an alcoholic nutjob, commies maneuvered things so he was the poster boy for anti-communism.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    65. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by shaitand · · Score: 2

      "Also, the code of conduct says nothing about merit because code quality already has its own rules. If your code sucks, the patch gets rejected, doesn't matter how politely you ask. "

      If your code is amazing you'll get rejected or never even seen under this new policy because someone found the dancing hola girl in your sig offensive. Rejecting someone's patches for reasons that aren't contained in the patch lowers the quality of the result. Rejecting and silencing those who produce the best code does so on a more permanent basis. This is an open source project, maybe someone will fork but that is a lot of extra work on top of what they are already doing. A few will try to conform and grit and bear it. Many will likely just leave and the kernel will be the worse for it... along with the what 80+% of electronic devices in your home running it under the hood these days?

      You could argue that people are being deterred and I'm sure there are a few but frankly there is a very strong correlation between being arrogant and having talent to be arrogant about in the development world. Someone who runs away when they get a harsh response to poor code is far less likely to be an asset than someone who moves on because they don't want to waste brain cycles they could use their work on tip toeing around the sensitivities of the former.

      "Yeah, I'm having a real hard time imagining him kicking someone off the kernel team because they didn't properly conjugate some personal pronoun invented two weeks ago."

      Linus you say? You mean this crushed soul who caved on issues exactly like that and abandoned his principle that the code comes first? This entire story is about his return after having given up on neutrality and reason.

      https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12791359&cid=57518841

    66. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      That kind of behavior effects all the developers

      I rather doubt that.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    67. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      She signed a statement saying, in part "But meritocracy has consistently shown itself to mainly benefit those with privilege, to the exclusion of underrepresented people in technology." As they say, "on the internet no one knows you're a dog." Your identity exists only insofar as you choose to define it. All the coders ever cared about was good code. Sure, that's somewhat subjective, but I don't think it's "bullying" to expect people to pull their weight in a project.

      The CoC is bad because they want to (and I believe are already trying to) use it against people for what they do "off the job" so to speak. We'll see the mot & bailey used to defend it as something only bullies and trolls or whatever should worry about, then it'll get used in a purge of SJW wrongthink.

      The usual way this works is that they isolate or harass someone vulnerable to take over the leadership, use that incident to intimidate anyone else, then install one of their own in the leadership. Over time, they then control the organization and use it to promote others like them. The irony is that they're supposedly against this, but it's somehow okay when it favors them.

      This is a problem because it doesn't fix the claimed problem, it just changes the targets. Moreover, there is a right way to do this that would fix things and make them more fair, but they're against it. Go figure...

    68. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      SJW are threatening you and and your family for what they think you SHOULD say.

      Congratulations for using the most over the top emotional language I've seen today.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    69. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by tbird20d · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But he's a fucking asshole. There are ways to deal with people who are doing substandard work that doesn't involve vast streams of personal insults.

      Did you put these two sentences next to each other to invoke irony or hypocrisy (or both)? I can't tell.

    70. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Warskull · · Score: 1

      He may have stepped down because he was simply fed up with all the social justice behavior and the attacks on him for not being nice. Effective forcing a see how well you do without Linus situation.

      We all know the kind of people that move in loathe to give up power and absolutely would never want him back. He might have more power and control now because he's demonstrated that the project needs him and has shown people who takes over if he leaves.

      I'll let those people take over again is a pretty big gun he can now pull.

    71. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      I learn new things and gain new insights every day, and I am 60.

      --
      Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
    72. Re: Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by shm · · Score: 1

      I used to work with a boss who was an absolute nightmare in meetings but a kind, gentle soul in reality.

      It was a tough facade that he used to drive away SJWs long before they were called that. The spineless opinionated clowns had no twitter to organise flashmobs to terrorise businesses at that time.

      Now he's retired and the new CEO is rapidly causing the business to run astray with SJW distractions.

    73. Re: Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by psycho12345 · · Score: 1

      Maybe conservatives should have thought of that before pushing both at will and right to work laws, that put you a position where such a thing is easy as hell.

    74. Re: Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Yep, sure. The loudest complainers are usually those who never have seen an actual SJW in their whole life. It is like with the actual neonazis screaming foreigners GTFO - they are the loudest in the areas where there are barely any foreigners in the first place.

      Then I'm sure you can provide evidence of that can't you. I have a feeling I'll be in for a very long wait.

      --
      Om, nomnomnom...
    75. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Holy crap.

      There were not communists everywhere. Most of the people accused of being communists and "un-American" were not. Innocent people lost everything because of the witch hunt.

      Good example of someone who didn't read the Venona Papers or the declassified KGB archives. Your entire reasoning is like the person who says "Well the STASI didn't really do bad things..." except when the recovered files that weren't destroyed, showed that they "did very bad things," including murdering children to keep their parents in line.

      You say SJWs are hunting and destroying their enemies, yet you think the guy who famously did just that on the flimsiest of evidence, often mere rumour or aggressive and unfair questioning, was right. McCarthy, the poster boy for paranoid delusions of conspiracies.

      You were the one who brought up McCarthy, not me. I simply pointed out that he was right. Not only do the documents prove he was right, but in fact he had understated the problem of the infiltration by actual USSR agents.

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    76. Re: Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      About the neonazis? Oh, that is simple. Here in Germany they are the loudest in Saxonia.. The state with the fourth lowest percentage of foreigners.

      Or do you mean the anti-SJWs? Well, you, for example, are pretty loud. How exactly have the SJWs ruined your personal life? Have you ever actually seen one with your own eyes?

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    77. Re: Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      That facade is not just against SJW types. When you're high enough to hierarchy, there's no shortage of people who want to control your action for their own benefits.

      Unique part of SJW types is the extremity of their ideological views, often exceeding even ultra-religious fanatics in things like science denial.

    78. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Highdude702 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hi, I have been in a management position for the last 5 years. how about yourself? I am an electrician, I deal with people that couldn't write any code if you did it for them and asked them to close the statement. I don't LIKE having to yell at my guys/girl that work for us. But the truth is what we do can kill somebody and when they make a mistake that puts peoples lives in jeopardy I lose my shit, most of them don't cry about it(even our femanazi), sometimes you have to get personal and let the person know they need to pull their head out of their ass before it gets hit with the doorknob on the way out. I personally don't like firing people even know I'm an asshole. I don't like being the person responsible for taking food out of their mouth. But sometimes it has to be done. That all being said, some people are too stupid to listen unless you force them to.

    79. Re: Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      For every "computer" you own that runs Windows/OSX there are 10 LINUX servers that make your candy crush, facefuck, and porn show up on that shitty consumer device. Without Linux, nobody would use OSX or Windows because there would be very little to do.

    80. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If you can't express yourself while being those things, the problem is you and your inadequate vocabulary.

      So what if it is? Then what?

      Then you improve it, or you go away. People are tired of dealing with you, and they could be more effective without you.

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    81. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Okay, you are obviously trolling but you are doing a good job of it and people are modding you up.

      "So you are saying he was forced to apologise by the criticism he found hypocritical and pointless?"

      By the people doing the criticizing. SJWs.

      "Yep, SJWs definitely got to him, forcing him to NOT apologise for being a straight white male."

      Are you suggesting this is a random unrelated denial? SJC criticism and commentary is of a nature that he feels pressured to apologize for being a straight white male. That alone establishes feeling threatened, he has been attacked so strongly and rabidly he feels the need to explicitly state he won't apologize for simply having been born.

      "And the truth comes out. He noticed his behaviour was similar to some pretty awful people whose views he regarded as "truly nasty" and decided that he should change it."

      No, he didn't say that. He said he was tired of SJWs deciding his behavior was similar to pretty awful people and suggesting he was like them. There is nothing wrong with having views and opinions similar to nasty people so long as you aren't one of them. For instance the Nazi's were opposed to smoking and had quit smoking campaigns, if you believe similarly about smoking perhaps you should change your stance regarding smoking immediately.

    82. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The fact that he anticipated your assumption and went out of his way to deny it is somehow proof that you were right?

      Is there literally anything he could possibly say that would convince you he wasn't "got at" by SJWs? If he denies it you assume it's a forced denial and proof if duress, if he doesn't you assume it's because it is true.

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    83. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "The fact that he anticipated your assumption and went out of his way to deny it is somehow proof that you were right?"

      What seems more likely, he anticipated a random and by your assertion of my crazy and backwards interpretation unreasonable assumption or his comments are exactly what they seem in the context of having been the victim of "people who criticise my 'white cis male' behaviour, while at the same time cursing more than I ever do."

    84. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Life is more complicated than that and group dynamics could play a factor that impacts how I would respond. Am I going to engage in a childish name calling battle with you? No. If a group dynamic is such that name calling would sway the audience against the target on that basis I'd remove myself from the group or word to undermine and transform that environment. More likely any weight carried by your name calling would be found in the mistake I'd made, an intelligent and productive response would establish the accusation of being a "stupid, braindead motherfucker" was incorrect. Ignorance is not stupidity, failing to own and learn from mistakes, failing to seek out criticism and those who will help you find them so you can learn from more mistakes, that is willful ignorance which arguably is stupidity. A definition of stupidity with regards to capacity isn't really consistent with modern science.

      My ego and self-confidence are not so fragile as to be harmed by your words either explicit or your suggestion of cowardice. Such things harm the speaker and only impact the target if they are insecure and afraid they are true. If you try to strike me on the other hand you can certainly expect a response. Sticks and stones my friend, sticks and stones. I am not some dumb ape who must pound his chest in response to you snarling and pounding yours. Such games are for children and animals incapable of utilizing the capacity for higher thought.

    85. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      Maybe for you younguns it doesn't, us old folks have learned to shift positions on a dime.

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    86. Re: Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Yeah, except we're not talking about Germany are we. On an english based forum. You're not proving your point by this post.

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    87. Re:Step 1: Remove the Code of Cancer. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Granting philosophical charity to others is being a decent human being. Taking ownership of the responsibility for your own feelings is being a decent human being. Demanding everyone else cater to your whims and personal emotional baggage is being a douche nozzle.

  2. Anything happen when he was gone? by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I mean with the actual development of Linux? I seem to be getting regular kernel update.

    Other then Linus trying to keep a cooler head, it was also a test to have Linux development controlled by someone else for a while to make sure it will still function, that all the support and infrastructure was in place.

    If something happen to Linus, I really don't want to see the End of Linux.

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    1. Re: Anything happen when he was gone? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The issue isn't what happened in the past, but the fact that there is insight to improve in the future.
      Most of us on Slashdot come from Christian influenced cultures, while many may not follow or believe in the religions, the religion has indeed influenced the culture, and its residence. A major aspect of Christianity is the idea of repentance. Where one realizes what they were doing was wrong, and works to make it better. Yes this comes at a risk of having bad people just fake it. But the value of a real repentance is worth the risk.

      Now lately in the news we see a lot of people getting put in jail or in general trouble for what they did when they were much younger. However they are not being repentant about it, just defiant about it. Thus not getting our sympathy.
      Now if Linus was realizing that he was being too much of a jerk, and is working to make it better, then we should give him the benefit of the doubt.

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    2. Re: Anything happen when he was gone? by Crashmarik · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Now lately in the news we see a lot of people getting put in jail or in general trouble for what they did when they were much younger. However they are not being repentant about it, just defiant about it. Thus not getting our sympathy.

      B.S. if anything that's just people deciding that the inquisition and witch hunts are fine things if they get to do them and pick the targets Linus was targeted because he had a no nonsense style in running the project that bears his name.

    3. Re:Anything happen when he was gone? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Of course nothing happened. The shitstorm over the Code of Conduct was just the latest moral panic, largely ignored by people it actually affects.

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    4. Re:Anything happen when he was gone? by IPFreely · · Score: 2
      The conduct issue aside, the other question of how Linux survives without Linus is certainly important.

      Over the years, he has set up a highly hierarchical power structure based on trust and loyalty with him at the top. Sort of dictatorial. That is not necessarily a bad thing as long as he manages it with the right goals in mind, and he seems to have done that fairly well.
      (It was often said the best leadership is a benevolent monarchy.)
      I think this speaks to strong focused goals and the ability to exclude trying to manage things that are not part of his focus. This would include trying to manage culture as part of the development community. He said as much in his letter. When the single leader tries to manage culture, it will invariably go wrong somewhere.There are too many opinions and to much incompatibility to succeed in this alone. Some amount of exclusion is almost inevitable. But avoiding managing it can also lead to some level of chaos and the culture we see now.

      Going forward, we probably should consider two paths for Linux development without Linus.
      The first is to maintain the hierarchical structure by putting someone else in that place. It could work for a while, if you can find someone who is properly focused like Linus was. If you find someone focused on software first and culture second (or not at all) you probably will end up with a quality OS and similar environment. If you end up with someone who is not quite as well focused as Linus and who does end up trying to manage culture, then it is highly likely the quality of the software will go down.

      The other option is to change the leadership structure completely to something more community based and/or democratic. This could be able to handle both software quality and culture, but will very likely lower efficiency. Many distributions have done this with varying degrees of success.

      Managing culture is hard enough under any circumstances. There will always be differences in opinion, incompatibility and preferences, and usually some conflict about what the priorities should be. If there is a single leader, then there will be a single point for focusing conflict. If there is a broader community and some democracy, then at least the blame for certain priorities can be spread out and excused with "majority rules". It is more about defusing incompatibility than curing it. A single person simply cannot do that by the design of the hierarchy, even if they have the support of the majority. And we don't really know if Linus had that.

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    5. Re:Anything happen when he was gone? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      it was also a test to have Linux development controlled by someone else for a while to make sure it will still function, that all the support and infrastructure was in place.

      Nothing happened when he was gone. Including no leadership, no major developments, no strategic decisions. If this was a "test" for "control" then it missed on both the test and the control part of it.

      Car Analogy:
      This was a test to see if someone is able to be a full time truck driver, by having him climb into the cabin, start the engine and then calling it a success before they even reached for the gearstick.

    6. Re:Anything happen when he was gone? by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Read it again Ami.

      If nothing happened with actual kernel development while Linus was away and the foundation took a month of negotiating what the hell a CoC Committee is, that's a pretty bad sign that this fiasco has hindered Linux.

      And it's not done. Their official update to the mailing list includes kicking that can down the road: "The first task of the committee is to establish documented processes, which will be made public. ... We expect to establish a different process for Code of Conduct Committee staffing beyond the bootstrap period. This document will be updated with that information when this occurs."

      But of course there's Linux 4.19-RC8, which has a "lot of little things". Which is probably for the best. I doubt we wanted Greg to try and pull a big change in the one month he was at the helm.

    7. Re:Anything happen when he was gone? by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Well the right way to have another benevolent dictator is to establish lineage before it's crucial and have someone be an apprentice dictator slowly rising in authority and responsibility as the old-guard slowly abdicates the throne. As of right now that prince would obviously be Greg, as he was given charge for a month. I dunno, shrug, he seems alright. Linus came back and the whole place wasn't on fire.

      And any FOSS project is just about as distributed as people want it to be. Really, "Fork you" remains a valid option for anyone that wants to pick up their toys and go home to their own branch. If enough people follow them, that's fracturing the project and it's... generally a pain. But LibreOffice seems to have done it just fine. And there's really nothing stopping any competing Linux Kernel fork from simply taking all the updates from any other fork. Or even just selective updates. The GPL pretty much enforces this capability. HURZAAH!

      Also, you can take your "handling culture" and shove it in a pull request. Really, culture is not something that should be controlled. Oh, I'm sorry "managed". To do so is... kinda fascist. Let me put it this way... The sort of culture you're talking about is, by definition, massively distributed and any attempt to centralize it is synonymous with an attempt to destroy it, to put up a false front. It's "managing public relations", marketing, "corporate bullshit". But maybe I'm just a punk at heart.

      If there is a broader community and some democracy, then at least the blame for certain priorities can be spread out and excused with "majority rules"

      Oh hoho! A whole group of people have been trained to thwart that sort of "systematic discrimination". You're not going to find an excuse there.

      support of the majority. And we don't really know if Linus had that.

      I'd vote for him.

  3. right by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whether he'll be a kinder and gentler Torvalds remains to be seen.

    Which is part of the problem with these public confession/appeasement things.

    Someone can always claim you didn't get "woke" enough.

    1. Re:right by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Which is why I prefer the (rare) appearance where someone states that there is room for improvement of their behaviour (something that's true for most of us), without issuing an apology as well. There's rarely a need to bring right and wrong into these matters, and an apology is basically an admission of guilt. Someone* once said: "regret is something for little children", so just leave out that part and you won't have to acquit yourself either, again and again as the bar keeps getting lowered.

      *) Yes it was Eichmann.

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    2. Re:right by Miser · · Score: 1

      100% this.

      An old mentor of mine always said - "Never apologize just to mollify someone, unless it is really and truly your fault. Saying sorry admits guilt."

      I don't know if the poster way above has any merit (Linus being blackmailed), but I for one think Linus should continue to be acerbic in his criticism of code and life goes on. I've read some of those flamewars. It was never about the people. Just the code. Shit code is shit code. Call a spade a spade.

      I also agree that a loosely written code of conduct has too much margin for error and "interpretation". Better to shred that post haste.

    3. Re:right by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Someone can always claim you didn't get "woke" enough.

      That's not a problem with public appeasement. You can't please everyone. The correct response is to say "right fuck it it was a waste of time", and proceed to go old school on them. That gives them a healthy dose of perspective.

    4. Re:right by azcoyote · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There's rarely a need to bring right and wrong into these matters, and an apology is basically an admission of guilt.

      I've been pondering this a lot lately. As ridiculous as Trump is, his lack of remorse for anything and everything has shown a kind of fault line in the way in which today's culture has become a culture of blame. Most public figures, when confronted with something that brings public ire, try to apologize even if they don't really feel bad about it, because they think that apologies will diffuse the situation. But these days an apology is not just an admission of guilt; it's also an admission of weakness. It causes people to go in for the kill like a pack of wolves. Trump is just about the only person who can survive in such a situation, precisely because he refuses to apologize and simply "misremembers" what he said or did in a convenient way. Thus ironically it's the kind of witch hunt culture today that has helped to cement Trump's position. Every time people attack him, he shows his dominance by refusing to apologize.

      This is visible, for example, in the difference between the affairs of Bill Clinton and Trump's tryst with Stormy Daniels. Now in terms of morality, both deeds are of course gravely sinful, despite being mutual (notwithstanding the illicit power dynamic in the case of Bill, though Hillary still refuses to acknowledge it). But looking at the cultural/political impact, apart from the question of right and wrong, it's fascinating how Trump is able to weather the storm simply by refusing to apologize. It's almost as if, in the public eye, it's the apology that constitutes the sin.

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    5. Re:right by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Whether he'll be a kinder and gentler Torvalds remains to be seen.

      Which is part of the problem with these public confession/appeasement things.

      Someone can always claim you didn't get "woke" enough.

      No one is ever woke enough.

      But yeah, I'm expecting a Linux Social Justice distro any day.

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    6. Re:right by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're right on the culture of blame, but misunderstand why Trump is able to whether it. It's because he refuses to "bow" to the politically correct culture around it and through it. People were getting pissed off over it ~20 years ago, that PC culture has gotten far worse over the last 6 years. Everything from destroying historical monuments, to active discrimination against others "for the greater good" for education, job positions, loans, and so forth. In general western society was on a very good track towards meritocracy, and the political left injected identity politics into it hard pushing that if you don't fall in line with what they tell you, then you're a racist, sexist, misogynist, rapist, and so on.

      You can round all of this out, that in many cases the people who are screaming this culture of blame from the rooftops are people who've actually done the things they've accused others of. The rank hypocrisy is simply the final nail in the coffin for it.

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    7. Re:right by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Trump hired a prostitute. Bill Clinton raped a powerless intern in the Oval Office. If you can't see a wide, yawning gulf between the two, that's on you. There can be no consent between a powerful man and a woman underneath him. It is always rape.

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    8. Re: right by jd · · Score: 1

      Saying sorry means you possess the feeling of sorrow. It means nothing more.

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    9. Re: right by jd · · Score: 2

      "I'm sorry you have a headache" doesn't mean the speaker caused it. Although it might.

      Apologizing for historic crimes doesn't mean you possess a TARDIS.

      Hidden meanings, secret codes, this is not a good communication strategy. I suggest saying what you mean, meaning what you say, never using coded messages outside of IPSec, GnuPG or SSL.

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    10. Re: right by jd · · Score: 1

      Define perspective and the Blue Peter badge you got for making one earlier.

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    11. Re:right by Mashiki · · Score: 1, Informative

      It's not "witch hunt culture", it's that politics is now post-truth.

      It's not? So why in the UK are progressives doxing pro-brexit individuals? Why are progressives trying to dox and harass chinese immigrants in Canada, who became legal citizens for protesting against illegal immigration. Why are progressives in the US stating that "speech is violence" and then using word salad going after peoples jobs. Why did progressives try to dox and harass Lindsay Shepard for wanting to have an open immigration debate by having all sides including extremist views presented. What parts of those are post-truth? Inconvenient facts? That people are taking stances on issues and being harassed for it?

      Very much not a "witch hunt culture" among the left.

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    12. Re:right by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Most public figures, when confronted with something that brings public ire, try to apologize

      I agree with the rest of your post but I find that politicians do know to not apologize. They have learned instead to blame, misdirect, or just plain flip-flop and claim you always held the opposite position.

      George H W Bush apologized for raising taxes, and became a 1 term president. Note that congress raised the taxes, not him, and he only voted for the spending bill to avoid a government shutdown.

      Compare that to his son George W Bush, who sent the US into the Iraq war on false pretenses and caused a worldwide recession. But at the end of his presidency, he said that "knowing what I know now" he would still go into Iraq.

    13. Re:right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Trump hired a prostitute. Bill Clinton raped a powerless intern in the Oval Office. If you can't see a wide, yawning gulf between the two, that's on you. There can be no consent between a powerful man and a woman underneath him. It is always rape.

      You Shouldn’t Tell Monica Lewinsky She Was Raped

      Do not infantilize Monica Lewinsky.
      At the time, she was a 22 year old woman.
      A full grown adult capable of making her own decisions about her personal life.

      We may not like or agree with those decisions, but they were hers to make, and she made them freely.

    14. Re:right by Prien715 · · Score: 1

      Now in terms of morality, both deeds are of course gravely sinful, despite being mutual (notwithstanding the illicit power dynamic in the case of Bill, though Hillary still refuses to acknowledge it).

      Are you implying that Hillary needs to apologize to Monica Lewinsky because of her husband's wandering penis? That's just weird. Generally, it's the cheating parties who apologize to the spouse who didn't cheat.

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    15. Re:right by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      What about Juanita Broderick & Paula Jones?

      I didn't see Monica's name in what you replied to, you just kinda assumed that because she's the only name people know.

    16. Re:right by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I don't really want to get into a political tangent, but I don't think Trump's ability to get away with things is a result of his handling of them. I think it more has to do with who is followers are. Republicans have spent years working their base into a frenzy over crackpot conspiracy theories, so they can easily be in denial about things that would otherwise upset them. A lot of them are completely hostile toward "political correctness" and therefore women claiming to have been assaulted (I know that shouldn't really be an issue that's connected to political correctness, but it somehow is). On top of that, many of them have extreme loyalty to their party, and will sacrifice a lot of their ethics and morals if it means the party gains power.

      Contrast that with the Democrats. Yeah, there are still some conspiracy theories, but they're much more likely to pay attention to factual news. A lot of them are so politically correct that they'll torch someone's life for an accidental slip of the tongue. Often, members of the Democratic party seem ready to blow up the party if it means they get to push a particular agenda they favor (e.g. LGBTQ stuff, environmental issues, universal healthcare).

      In that context, it's not weird that Trump gets away with some really awful stuff while Democrats get torn down for relatively minor and vague offenses. Bill Clinton is a weird case, though. He spent years weinsteining women, and even during the #metoo stuff he had feminists defending him. I've heard people condemn Al Franken and defend Bill Clinton in the same 5 minutes.

    17. Re:right by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      'Sorry' is just the 'like' of Canadian speech patterns. 'Eh' is the 'Um'.

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    18. Re:right by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Others were raped, but not in the oval office.

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    19. Re: right by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      Neither Juanita Broderick nor Paula Jones consented.

      Paula Jones won a lawsuit against Bill which he settled after appealing it first to prove that, as well.

    20. Re:right by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

      From my perspective, someone who can expose huge faults in the way society functions so we can fix those faults, who can teach us how to bend conventional reality and not be constrained in our thinking, and who can project optimism to others instead of depression is welcome as a leader. Initially Trump did give the impression he could be more likely than the average president to do something catastrophic, but enough time has passed without it happening that it doesn't look like he'll do in the worst case any more damage than GWB did. Or Obama for that matter.

      Btw I'm not apologizing to the left anymore for having a different opinion, certainly not after the last couple of months of madness. In fact if you waver in expressing what you believe in even a bit they will pounce on you like a pack of wolves as you say, especially online.

    21. Re:right by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Reminds me a bit of Atlas Shrugged somehow: at some point the protagonists in the story realize they can simply ignore such moral blackmail despite what society expects of them. Maybe Trump read that book (though I doubt that). By the way: that works for left wing politicians as well, one in the Netherlands was getting seriously #me-too'd but he just shrugged it off and ignored it. And got away with it too.

      #Metoo and moral outrage works on a couple of levels: your supposed victims, public opinion and the press, and the people you depend on. You can get away with ignoring it if you don't care about your accusers, if you can afford to ignore or sway public opinion, and most importantly if you can convince the people you depend on - be it family, political allies, or your employer - that it's all much ado about nothing. Or that they need you as much as you need them and that getting rid of you works against their own interests. This is where it gets dirty... Trump and that Dutch politician got away with ignoring the blame culture because they had the trust of their constituents and the people around them. But in many other cases, a small but very vocal group can manage to sway public opinion and then turn that opinion not against you, but for instance your boss, and your position becomes untenable almost by default.

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    22. Re:right by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      A full grown adult capable of making her own decisions about her personal life.

      So what is this #metoo movement about, then? All fully grown women who made their own decisions about what was in their own best interest... and men taking advantage of a situation of unequal power. The decision was hers to make, but Clinton shouldn't have suggested or given her the option of having sex in the first place. It's not rape, but it's not ok either.

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    23. Re:right by couchslug · · Score: 1

      SJWs expect their tantrum tactics to be treated with respect. They mistakenly believe they deserve respect. Take respect away and they howl louder. That makes them even more abrasive.

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    24. Re:right by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Wrong. Lots of women unfortunately sympathize with their rapists.

      Listen carefully: there can be no consent between a man in the power structure and a woman below him. NONE. Ever. It is always rape.

      When you have the President of the United States on one hand, the most powerful man in the world, and on the other a lowly intern, you can't get a greater power differential than that. Bill Clinton is a rapist.

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  4. A Whole Month? by Quarters · · Score: 1

    I can't imagine that trying to understand empathy and integrate it into your personality is like one of those sham Hollywood 28 day substance abuse therapy retreats. It will be interesting to see if anything about Linus' demeanor changes.

    1. Re:A Whole Month? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I can't imagine that trying to understand empathy and integrate it into your personality is like one of those sham Hollywood 28 day substance abuse therapy retreats.

      Has anyone ever told you that it takes about a month to override a habit? Actually, a minimum of about three weeks, though it can be as long as eight. 28 days is perfectly valid for people who want to change. Changing addictive behaviors is not a simple matter of sharing information, though; you have to address the root cause or else people tend to return to their addictions in weak moments. For example, I had stopped smoking for two years when my car was stolen. I walked straight up to the store and got a pack of smokes to help deal with the stress. It's been more like five years this time though, and now tobacco is just gross, so I guess I really have it solved. Who knows how long it will take Linus to stop having the urge to flame people for incompetence or recalcitrance, but it doesn't take all that long to break a habit if you want to.

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    2. Re:A Whole Month? by Quarters · · Score: 1

      I would up-vote you if I could. Thank you for sharing.

  5. Kinder? You mean smalltalk? by houghi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    https://science.slashdot.org/s...

    So it seems he is able to survive without smaltalk just fine.

    So now you know that if you ask him a question you will get an anser, even if you don't like the answer. You will even get an answer without asking a question.

    If you think it will be different, I have to ask: what have you been smoking?

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    1. Re:Kinder? You mean smalltalk? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      So it seems he is able to survive without smaltalk just fine.

      So now you know that if you ask him a question you will get an anser, even if you don't like the answer. You will even get an answer without asking a question.

      If you think it will be different, I have to ask: what have you been smoking?

      I have a bit of Linus in me, where I work to surround myself with those who are not precious and easily insulted. I'm certainly not prone to his level of profanity, but don't deal much in smalltalk.

      But if I were to offer him a suggestion, (damn, how's that for conceit) appoint someone to deal with problem people in a better way.

      You can't run an organization catering to people who use bitching and moaning as a workplace tool. I've been in enough groups to understand that once the whiners get a toehold, the focus and goal of the group becomes making certain that the whiners are appeased.

      I've found that the whiners are also adroit at making themselves look "good" by character assassination. Whisper campaigns need stomped out quickly - they are the second tool of the whiners.

      But there is a problem. They are difficult to get rid of. You have to make certain that there is never a situation where you can be accused of sexual harassment - the third tool.

      Just a workplace fact of life these days. Regardless, if you can transfer a problem co-worker out, that's a win. Otherwise, you isolate them as best you can.

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    2. Re:Kinder? You mean smalltalk? by houghi · · Score: 1

      I used to have a manager who was lousy with people below him and great with people above him.
      So we decided I would deal with everybody below him and he would deal with everybody above him. Worked great.
      Staff was always informed and he really, really faught for us. Defending us at the higher levels. Staff where happy as well, as I did a good enough translation of what was expected to how it needed to be done.

      However he was the only one that was happy toi bud out of people management when he was unable to do it. I have had others who are even worse AND try to micromanage everything without giving ANY feedback or idea what is expected of the people.

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    3. Re:Kinder? You mean smalltalk? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I used to have a manager who was lousy with people below him and great with people above him. So we decided I would deal with everybody below him and he would deal with everybody above him. Worked great.

      Absolutely. Different talents. Sounds like a smart manager.

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  6. What's so surprising??? by unixbhaskar · · Score: 2

    Like all "real men", he keeps what he said. Everyone needs a break sometimes. Linus also deserved that.

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  7. Why you are getting resistance by MikeRT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No small part of it is because the left has adopted a view that "marginalized people" are effectively entitled to be disruptive, toxic, etc. Because discrimination(tm). If you want proof that most human beings are miserably stupid, it's the fact that so many left wing activists cannot reconcile two principles they've advocated and realize how the lock together like Lego pieces:

    1. Every innocent civilian killed by anti-terrorism operations breeds new terrorists as people bitterly resent being collateral damage.
    2. "Marginalized people" cannot be guilty of oppressing "non-marginalized people" no matter how they behave.

    A rational person with an IQ higher than the thermostat might have an "oh fuq...." moment here. Every "non-marginalized person" who is disemployed, hounded out of public life, etc. creates collateral damage in their family, friends and people sympathetic saying "shit man, that could be me too" just like many a Muslim has done when the USAF bombs a village.

    1. Re:Why you are getting resistance by dfghjk · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It would appear that you suffer the problem you are projecting onto others. "A rational person with an IQ higher than the thermostat" might deduce what you are advocating here and conclude that you are a "left wing activist" that "cannot reconcile two principles they've advocated".

      You might first consider the concept of accountability and rethink your false equivalency between someone who loses a job for bad behavior and the bombing of innocents. Maybe then you will feel less "entitled to be disruptive, toxic, etc."

    2. Re:Why you are getting resistance by dfghjk · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Maybe you can start with not using ignorant labels like "stupid stupid left", "lefties" and "brainwashed left". "Left" is a meaningless term and your use of it as a basis of your criticism shows that you are perfectly willing to make the same stupid mistakes that you are criticizing.

      The solution to these problems is reason and objective thinking and the "right" has no greater monopoly on this than the "left" having apparently abandoned it completely.

      One thing is certain, society has no room for individual "revenge" as the solution to any problem and your alternative "lash out at a whole group" is nothing more than an absurd false choice. You are literally proposing anarchy and mob-rule...you know, the thing that the "brainwashed left" recently invented, or so says the right as they march with their tiki torches proclaiming that "jews will not replace us". Great answer.

    3. Re:Why you are getting resistance by robsku · · Score: 1, Troll

      No small part of it is because the left has adopted a view that "marginalized people" are effectively entitled to be disruptive, toxic, etc. Because discrimination(tm).

      BS.

      2. "Marginalized people" cannot be guilty of oppressing "non-marginalized people" no matter how they behave.

      This.

      is. just. bullshit. claim. by. those. who. don't. want. to. give. their. entitlement. to. bully. any. and. every. minority. they. feel. like. they. don't. like.

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    4. Re:Why you are getting resistance by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      Putting. Periods. After. Every. Word. Is. Not. An. Argument. You. Spoiled. Child.

    5. Re:Why you are getting resistance by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Note how the Wikipedia explanation doesn't mention non-white people can't be racist, and I doubt anyone would seriously argue that they have zero power in all situations anyway.

      It's just a ridiculous mis-interpretation of an idea that is proposed and, as Wikipedia points out, debated and sometimes rejected by students.

      Of course you know this, and wont respond to this post.

      Oops.

      Your bullshit needs to be purged.

      Mah freeze peach!!

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    6. Re: Why you are getting resistance by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      They can't prove it because it's a conspiracy theory that relies on citing a number of isolated incidents over a number of years and drawing an unwarranted conclusion from them.

      Nice Hitchens quote by the way.

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    7. Re:Why you are getting resistance by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      This is a really weird myth. Can you provide a single example, anywhere, where someone has argued this in good faith, that we can verify?

      I wonder if this is a misinterpretation of the common view that marginalized minorities can't practice "-ism", eg a black person in the US isn't being racist if he or she says something negative and unfair about white people, or discriminates against them.

      That is a common view, and it's not an unreasonable view (if someone calls me a "honkey" or "cracker", where's the actual harm at the end of the day? It's not going to contribute to a culture that undermines my ability to find work, live in safety, have the police take me seriously, etc. Whereas if I use the N-word, it does prop up a culture that actively discriminates against and harms black people.)

      But it's not the same as '"Marginalized people" cannot be guilty of oppressing "non-marginalized people" no matter how they behave.', as the latter is far more generalized and covers acts that are more than mere discrimination or slander.

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  8. Did he get rid of those blue haired whiners? by KiviPall · · Score: 4, Informative

    When you allow too many professional complainers and trouble makers, usually with bizarre hair colour and face piercings, your team or even the whole business will got sh**t. Don't hire those freaks and keep everyone else happy.

    1. Re:Did he get rid of those blue haired whiners? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Is bizarre hair color really different from bizarre skin color?

      The non-natural, therefore dyed, haircolor is a badge of membership to a group just like wearing lumberjack shirts, too-tight jeans, a beard and a top-knot is.

      You knew this, of course, but chose to feign ignorance, because:

      I wonder what the skin color of a poster by the name of "KiviPall" is?

      You're not wondering at all, you're just trying to paint someone "racist". Too bad you can't paint worth a damn and all you managed to do is splatter yourself. Are you prepared to argue that using spray-on tan is "racist" somehow? Maybe "drinking milk" would be, just like PETA is claiming?

      I wonder how many "professional complainers and trouble makers" is the right amount?

      About zero sounds right to me. That stuff is cancer for the mind just like the ideology is that makes people stick their butts in the air five times a day. Some of those actually go out and actively try to kill people who don't partake in the same ideology. Which is something these people aren't doing physically, but they certainly are making good sport with the character assassination of quite a few public figures.

      Enough to ensure KiviPall gets his way?

      Which would be what, hm?

      Look, if all you got is half-baked ad-hominem attacks, how about you shut up and go back to school? One of those old style schools with corporal punishment. Then stay there until you have something to say and can do it politely.

    2. Re:Did he get rid of those blue haired whiners? by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 1

      While not everyone who has chosen to die their hair some color straight off a neon sign or fill their face with obnoxious piercings behaves this way, they are surprisingly prevalent among the kinds of people who practically live to stir up completely unnecessary drama.

      My personal suspicion is that this comes from the same source, an excessively attention seeking personality that doesn't really care about the effects of that behavior on others around them. To them it doesn't matter that they're wasting everyone's time with petty bickering, instead what matters is that they get to be at the center of attention.

      I'm personally starting to wonder if the solution to this is to conduct open source development using unique project-specific pseudonyms where nobody knows who anybody else is or anything about them and thus any controversy is severely limited. In a system all that matters is the quality of your work and if you're just going to try to stir up unnecessary arguments and infighting the threshold to kick you out of the project is going to be very low.

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  9. Re:Wait..what? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1, Funny

    Go away, Lennart.

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  10. Re:The Linux CoC's simple loophole, you stupid Wes by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    I think the tech SJW's killed Terry Davis!

  11. King Lear and Hidetora Ichimonji by mi · · Score: 1

    The fates of the two characters in title should caution anyone at the head of anything to not give up control if they still care...

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  12. Re:What an imposition! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nice try, but it's 2018. Bullshit strawmen accusations of bigotry isn't enough these days. You gotta go for the fake rape allegations, too.

  13. Re:Good SJW's almost screwd LINUX permanently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The SJW's shoving their CoC in everybody's face darn near destroyed LINUX in a matter of months.

    Evidence please. Number of kernel maintainers who have left due to CoC?

    (tumbleweed)

    Right, it was just happening inside your head?

  14. Re:Finnish directness... by robsku · · Score: 1

    We Finns are direct, not impolite.

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  15. Re:Wait..what? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Linux runs programs written in Visual Basic 6 through two userspace frameworks: X.Org X11 and Wine. For Visual Basic .NET, it uses X.Org X11 and Mono. What support from the kernel would make VB programs more efficient?

  16. Re:What an imposition! by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 1

    Accusations of xenophobia is where leftists go when they're out of intellectual ammo.

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  17. Re:The Linux CoC's simple loophole, you stupid Wes by robsku · · Score: 1

    Go eat a bag of dicks, hater.

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  18. Re:Wait..what? by ThePhish · · Score: 1

    It was good for me if i needed BASIC audio from my system, but after 2 YEARS of battling with PA and nearly constant GNURadio audio overruns and stuttering audio problems, on a whim I removed PA...and I have not had a stuttering audio problem since. On other systems that I don't use GNURad on, I actually leave PA because it mostly works for what that system does.

  19. Re:Wait..what? by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    I would make it all Ring 0 for performance reasons. Nothing could possibly go wrong. But now that Linus is back in charge it probably will never happen.

  20. Re: Wait..what? by jd · · Score: 2

    X11. If your client is on a separate machine, the correct way to run it, then you need a way to send audio to it.

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  21. I agree 100% by ckatko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If anything is obvious it is that whatever process led to the creation of the greatest operating system ever written, that process, needs to change!

    Everyone knows that when you've got the top product, company, or team, you need to pull a 180.

    1. Re:I agree 100% by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      I don't think we know anything about the process that created AmigaOS, and what does that have to do with Linus Torvalds? ;-)

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    2. Re:I agree 100% by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      that was okay but I miss my NeXTStep with Display Postscript. This X crap Linux comes with is poor substitute.

  22. Re: Wait..what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wow, all seven of you users out there must be thrilled.

  23. Think of it this way.. by gosand · · Score: 1

    I just got done reading a great book Mistake Were Made (But Not By Me) . It's a very good read and quite insightful about how we justify our actions. It goes into how for the most part, people can't admit they made a mistake. In your example, Bill Clinton did not own up to his mistake. George W Bush maintained that there WERE WMDs in Iraq and we were completely justified in invading and occupying them. When faced with facts, people will double-down on their clearly incorrect statements. It talks about in our criminal justice system, which is rife with this cognitive discordance. It's quite fascinating. Remember the Central Park jogger case in the 80s? Police were able to coerce those kids to confessing to a crime they didn't commit by using interrogation tactics. Even though their confessions didn't line up, they had these guys, they were weak, and the police went in "like a pack of wolves".

    Your idea that only weak people admit to mistakes is part of the problem. That isn't the case at all, it's actually quite the opposite. How can you trust ANYONE who refuses to admit fault - without justification, without conditions? It's the strong that can admit making mistakes, and the weak who cannot.

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  24. The consensual doesn't excuse the non-consensual by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    > > This is visible, for example, in the difference between the affairs of Bill Clinton and Trump's tryst with Stormy Daniels. Now in terms of morality, both deeds are of course gravely sinful, despite being mutual (notwithstanding the illicit power dynamic in the case of Bill, though Hillary still refuses to acknowledge it).

    Paula Jones didn't consent. She won a lawsuit against Bill. Bill was convicted of perjury during said lawsuit, which triggered impeachment. He settled all the cases after losing.

  25. Scar tissue by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

    I want to know where he went and who "explained" things to him.

    Someone should check his forehead for scars.

    Also, why isn't this in the summary: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/code-of-conduct-interpretation.html.

    Which has a LOT of really good language. Like how the scope doesn't include other forums. And you're not going to get banned for things you said years ago. But every damn thing in here should be a patch or update to that pile of garbage that is the original CoC. It's a damn good argument that the original was lacking and shouldn't have been used in the first place. When you are forced to use something for political reasons, you add a layer above or below it to deal with all the shit. And I smell politics here. It stinks.

    But what's this?:

    The initial Code of Conduct Committee consists of volunteer members of the TAB, as well as a professional mediator acting as a neutral third party.

    . . . Who is this professional mediator? Why was it not mentioned before? Is it literally any hired professional mediator? Like the sort that gets mandated by a judge?

    So the instead of going to the TAB it's going to a CoC Committee? That's honestly a good move. The TAB has way better things to do. The confidentiality clause STILL makes it a problem though. If reported issues are supposed to be kept confidential to the CoC Committee... how can the TAB review it? Or is this the sort of confidentiality where they can share it with anyone they want?

    Any decisions by the committee will be brought to the TAB, for implementation of enforcement with the relevant maintainers if needed. A decision by the Code of Conduct Committee can be overturned by the TAB by a two-thirds vote.

    Well thank god the children have to go get the mother-may-I from the adults. That sort of check on power will honestly go a long way towards keeping the crazy at bay.

    as well details of any overridden decisions including complete and identifiable voting details.

    I mean, that's fine. But it's a pretty conspicuous detail. Looks a lot like a set of crosshairs placed directly on the TAB in the explicit form of "WE NEED TO KNOW HOW YOU VOTED" sort of way. ....I want to know who negotiated these terms.

    One interesting line that got removed from the actual LF CoC:

    Project maintainers who do not follow or enforce the Code of Conduct in good faith may face temporary or permanent repercussions as determined by other members of the project’s leadership.

    This line got removed. So that's... a specific set of crosshairs that's no longer on all contributors. That's good. It was a fluff piece of vaguely threatening language and has no real specific teeth, but it was still pretty disturbing in it's ability to be abused.

    We expect to establish a different process for Code of Conduct Committee staffing beyond the bootstrap period.

    I swear if you dumbasses buy into that CoC beacon bullshit we will riot.

    https://www.kernel.org/code-of... . . . They STILL link to that racist hate-monger's website. I'm appalled that they'd stand next to that monster.

  26. Re:Wait..what? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    VB needs a peek and poke statement to access kernel memory.

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  27. Happened to me by redelm · · Score: 1

    If anyone is interested, I got squashed in the #MeToo timeframe, about 15 years ago. What happened was a kernel update suddenly started making my Abit BP6 (dual) lock-up. I traced it to a new System Management Interupt service routine that would not handle double-interrupts. Masking off would fix it.

    I reported this on the LKML, and eventually Linus commented "We don't fix broken hardware." True enough, the SMI bus was vomitous (unbalanced, open-drain). But I'm older than Linus, and remember when software was meant to fix hardware!

    So I just manually patched kernel source for ~5 years. I didn't and don't mind, at least I had source to patch. But I gave up on reporting anything to the LKML "if it boots, it's perfect".

    Does all this touchy-feely psychobabble mean a shift in kernel philosphy away from the "speed at all costs" into something perhaps more reliability based?

  28. Trump isn't able to weather the storm by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    there is no storm. Clinton had a right wing media machine who wanted to shut down the couple of progressive policies he had (Clinton was pretty right wing, but there was a change Hilary was going to give us single payer healthcare before she went full on Republican lite).

    The media doesn't harp on Trump/Stormy because the left don't care (it was consensual). The Right are looking the other way because Trump's doing what they want (tax cuts for corps & well to do, regulation cuts, etc). They're not going to rally their base against him since he's one of theirs. If Trump ever tried to make good on those promises of Universal Healthcare you'd see a very, very different reaction from the right wing press.

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  29. It's not because he isn't bowing by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    it's because the left can't really attack him for consensual sex (that's not a bad thing to the left) and the right wing press doesn't care what he does so long as he keeps doing their economic agenda (low taxes for corporations, cut regulations, etc).

    If Trump every seriously tried to deliver on the progressive promises he made he'd be shut down, just like Clinton was when he signaled he might do single payer.

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  30. Re:You're a terrible gaslighter by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

    I met a lady who said something like that. But she "had her own definition of racism". I cut her to the quick and asked if it applied to the minority group of white people in South Africa. That gave her pause and she mentioned she never thought of that and it really ended the conversation. She's more or less an ok person, she just works with a lot of poor black kids from broken homes. It's tough being a social worker.

    But I've ALSO met people that honestly believe in the most heinous of demonized strawman the democrats like to punch about. Forced sterilization, racial superiority, IQ test requirements for voting, a pro-dictatorship stance. Really, there's ~150 million on both sides, you're sure to find crackpots if you go look for them.

    No, the idea that ("Marginalized people" cannot be guilty of oppressing "non-marginalized people" no matter how they behave.) is not a mainstream principle for Democrats. (And where did this trend of calling them "the left" come from?). But hey, yeah, Mike you're absolutely correct that some of the wing-nuts have this absolutely shit-for-brains mentality. Try not to cast too many stones though because if you want I can dredge out a WHOLE lot of less-than-mentally-sound examples of republicans. Come off it dude, attacking the crazy people in the other party is shooting fish in a barrel. Even the slightly-less-wing-nutty people like AmiMojo won't stand by those sort of statements.

    But you're also being lazy. You could have pointed out that the idea that reverse racism is a separate thing from good 'ol regular racism is an example of "you can't be racist against white people". (It's not. Being racist against white people is still racism. There is no such thing as "reverse racism" as it is entirely and wholly consumed by the term "racism". But people still invented the term because in their heads racism is only against their people.) If you really wanted to go above and beyond you'd go find a state rep or city official who said something stupid and give the democrats a black eye. They exist out there. And we need to self-police. Part of that is pointing them out. You're way more motivated to do that than I am. So, like, come on dude, put in the effort.

  31. Linux is officially now on its death bed by shm · · Score: 1

    The cancer has taken root.

    The purple haired trigger glassed assholes will bring in their committees, indulge in endless debates, run oppression Olympics, and commits will grind to a halt.

    I'm out.

    OpenBSD is still safe.