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Pentagon Wants To Predict Anti-Trump Protests Using Social Media Surveillance (vice.com)
Alice Marshall shares an excerpt from Motherboard: The United States government is accelerating efforts to monitor social media to preempt major anti-government protests in the U.S., according to scientific research, official government documents, and patent filings reviewed by Motherboard. The social media posts of American citizens who don't like President Donald Trump are the focus of the latest U.S. military-funded research. The research, funded by the U.S. Army and co-authored by a researcher based at the West Point Military Academy, is part of a wider effort by the Trump administration to consolidate the U.S. military's role and influence on domestic intelligence.
The vast scale of this effort is reflected in a number of government social media surveillance patents granted this year, which relate to a spy program that the Trump administration outsourced to a private company last year. Experts interviewed by Motherboard say that the Pentagon's new technology research may have played a role in amendments this April to the Joint Chiefs of Staff homeland defense doctrine, which widen the Pentagon's role in providing intelligence for domestic "emergencies," including an "insurrection."
The vast scale of this effort is reflected in a number of government social media surveillance patents granted this year, which relate to a spy program that the Trump administration outsourced to a private company last year. Experts interviewed by Motherboard say that the Pentagon's new technology research may have played a role in amendments this April to the Joint Chiefs of Staff homeland defense doctrine, which widen the Pentagon's role in providing intelligence for domestic "emergencies," including an "insurrection."
I was not aware protestors made their efforts secret. I am personally all for secret protests! It would really help avoid the convuluted traffic the public protests inspire.
for a country whose army protects the ruler(s) from the people?
Hint: also the name of an American clothing and accessories retailer
Case in point why mass government surveillance is a bad idea.
Law enforcement I could understand, but the military?
Not that I think it's a good idea. I'm getting kinda sick of the anti-Trump whining, but that doesn't mean you have to go all "pre-crime" on political protestors.
Gosh, is there no limit to this miserable sack of pus' stupidity and ignorance ? Did he seriously tell a journalist and the entire world that he would sign an executive order to effectively repel the 14th amendement of the Constitution of the United States ?
Yes he did. But you know what ? It's not because he's stupid. It's because he knows perfectly well that his supporters are stupid, and that he can say pretty much any complete absurdity and absolute lie, but if it's what they want to hear, then they'll believe him anyway.
After all, didn't he get elected even after basically calling all his supporters fucking morons ?
"I could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot someone, and I still wouldn't lose any voters".
shit right about now. Now, Fox & Co are propagandists, so I don't expect even a tiny bit of consistency from them. But I expect a little better from the right wing. There was zero outrage when Trump praised Chinese President Xi for seizing power for life and suggested he'd like to do the same. Again, imagine the shit storm if Obama had done that.
Somebody raised a very good point today. Trump pulled back the FBI from investigating right wing domestic terrorists. We just had a synagogue shot up and a pipe bomber. That is not a coinki-dink. The president responded to this by tweeting about baseball and saying he thought he might miss his rally.... because he was having a bad hair day. That's not "Trump being Trump". That's Trump signaling to the far right that violence is OK.
I'm not gonna try to speak to the alt-righters here because I'm not good enough at it to do anything but piss you off more than you already are. Go watch some Secular Talk or Aron Ra or Bad Mouse Productions on youtube
This message is for the Blacks, Jews and Mexicans who stayed home when it was time to vote for Bernie and did it again when it was time to vote for that bitch Hilary. And it's for the white guys who've got friends in those categories:
I get it. Taxes suck and you don't like being told what to do by smarthy liberals. But if you sit another election out Trump & company are gonna get some signaling themselves. They're gonna figure out that their strategy of riling up the violent alt-right is working. Those people are going to come for you. Because they've got problems. Big ones. And Trump can't solve them. He's not clever enough. To stay in power he's gonna wind them up and send them after you. It's a trick that's thousands of years old and it works.
They're coming for you and you're not going to be safe in your gated communities. Vote. And Vote for whoever has the best chance of taking down Trump and company. Or the violence is going to get worse. A lot worse.
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As capitalism goes into crisis yet again, people are again scrutinizing, and beginning to see though their ideological programming. There is a danger for the first time in decades, that people can't be kept pacified by abundant cheap consumer goods.
States in general (rather than specifically the current US Trump government) will be looking to consolidate their power.
The entire ruling class, government, military, media and tech will be forced to engineer a crisis to kill off a chunk of the working classes, in order to preserve their place in the hierarchy.
the post above is what happens when a lefty rants with the kind of bitter rage usually reserved for the alt-right.
Speaking of rage: I'd be a lot less better if I didn't have so many family members who've had the shit kicked out of them by our crap healthcare system because folks won't stop voting for the GOP when they keep telling you they're gonna end Obamacare with it's protection for preexisting conditions. Jeez, I wish I knew how to reach the electorate. 26% of Americans still believe the GOP is gonna save them even after 60 votes to repeal and Mitch McConnell going around saying he's gonna end social security and Medicare.
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read the article, no source within the article says Trump admin is actually doing that. A bunch of other studies and models referenced.
I'm just thinking that Trump wears the Secret Service like a cheap suit. And then again, how did all Caesars lose their jobs?
Will be voting straight R, for the first time in my life.
Fuck yourself.
Else why is this fat bucket of puke being mentioned on /.?
That's why politics is like a dumb sports game. Everyone drinks a bit too much, they boo for the other time and call them rude names for no reason than for being on the wrong side, and they cheer on their own team as the greatest of heroes merely for being their guys. If one of their guys gets arrested they will wring their hands and wonder if the police are taking things too far, and if one of the other guys get arrested they cheer at their own good luck. After the game is over all the drunk fans go into the parking lot to fight each other.
If it's not one of his never-ending succession of self-promotional rallies, it's probably a protest.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
bunch of pro-establishment right wingers over there. Don't let the occasional bit of left wing social politics fool you. MSNBC is hard right on the stuff that matters (economics). CNN would cover it in a centrists milktoast way that doesn't matter worth a fuck. But the right wing media engine? They'd go ape shit.
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... And then again, how did all Caesars lose their jobs?
Not quickly enough?
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
the decides who lives and who dies. 45,000 Americans die every year from treatable illnesses. 20 million folks die globally from hunger and thirst in a world where the only reason they have to die is logistics and getting people to pay for it. We're at war with 8 countries and have been at war for 94% of our life as a country.
Politics isn't a dumb sport, it's what defines ever aspect of your life from cradle to grave.
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and other right wing outlets. They've been caught multiple times suggesting the shooter was an anti-Trump lefty. It's gas lighting. They've been called out on it (Geraldo even backed down) but the people they're speaking to are in a bubble and just hear what they say.
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he owns everything the Pentagon does. That's what it means to be the Chief Executive.
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The article is in the conspiracy gish gallop format. Lots of implying and connecting dots. Yeah the cops look at Facebook. Yeah the Pentagon is looking at using hell any of a number of buzzwords to analyze social media. However the article doesn't mention much operationalization - though I started skimming when the conspiracy format became evident - so it's put Trump in headline because he's scary.
Lefty conspiracy gish gallop is different than righty conspiracy gish gallop but I wouldn't be worried about the gummint, paranoids, the extremists on the right are watching social media and no doubt some of them are making lists. Be more worried about your neighbors or that alt-right gun-nut ranter who threatened you for, say, supporting Hillary. Don't worry too much because they're idiots but there's gonna be more guns involved before things calm down so watch yourself.
The United States government is accelerating efforts to monitor social media to preempt major anti-government protests in the US
So basically they want to conduct mass surveillance, predict where protests are being planned and crack down on them with maximum force so his Orange Imperial Majesty's delicate little snowflake heart won't melt form the heat of all that unwanted criticism? I seem to remember having read the following in a document considered so important it is kept in a climate controlled armoured glass box flanked by armed guards:
"The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext, infringed. The people shall not be deprived or abridged of their right to speak, to write, or to publish their sentiments; and the freedom of the press, as one of the great bulwarks of liberty, shall be inviolable. The people shall not be restrained from peaceably assembling and consulting for their common good; nor from applying to the Legislature by petitions, or remonstrances, for redress of their grievances."
Pay particular attention for that last part, "remonstrances" means "forceful reproachful protest" the US constitution literally guarantees the citizen's rights to protest and not be particularly polite about it. The constitution guarantees that the US citizenry's can voice its grievances without having to give a damn about the delicate sentiments of thin skinned and whiny little bitch politicians .
Centrist here, I see a lot of complaining about people on the right not taking their own to task while the same problem appears on the left. If you want to have standing when you call people on the right out you really need to be free of guilt yourself. If you think that what I just said is a bunch of BS then you are only going to prove that you are guilty of what I said.
As a centrist I watch both sides endlessly accuse the other of the very things they are guilty of themselves. Each time one of their own abuse the Constitution they don't care... at least they gave the other side what for... and they enjoy it too.
And you should abide your own warnings... you think the people on the left are against ripping themselves apart? Good luck, I have a sneak suspicion that the worst thing you could ever do for a lefty or a righty is to give them everything they want so you can sit back and watch them build tyrannies. A total trash nation on one hand and a complete police state on the other. It is the constant struggle between the two that I enjoy because the more time they spend fighting the less time they have to get together and scheme more liberty away.
You bet the violence is going to get worse, because like you... no one is interested in talking this out... they are only interested in talking AT people and not with them. The moment someone says something you don't agree with and all the accusations and name calling come out.
The constitution is practically ignored by both parties and no matter which rights or liberties are trashed by laws neither party works to restore those liberties, they instead try to "rewrite" the law to fit their agenda's. Kinda like how all the republican ran on the platform of repealing ACA but actually did nothing of the sort. And much like Obama's "Hope & Change" was actually just more of the same of Bush policies.
I saw enough of this crap in the 60's and 70's as the government was sending my friends and relatives off to die half way around the world. This just changed my opinion on assault rifles.
As long as you're equally critical of everyone, you'll get no criticism from me. However, let me really get you thinking about these recent random acts of violence. First we had a guy sending 'pipe bombs' that didnt have a snowballs chance in hell of blowing up. I mean zero chance. The only reason there was any sort of black powder in them was probably to get the dogs to hit on it. I know you're younger, but there was a real mail bomb terrorist when I was younger named Ted Kackzynksi, alias Unibomber. He would rig the bomb with a bunch of nails and use a contact closure with cardboard separating the contact points that had glue on it so that when you closed the lid it would glue to the top. This would explode upon opening because the cardboard would get removed as it was attached to the lid and close the contacts... -boom-. If you really wanted to hide it, why not stick the pipe bomb inside a stuffed animal so that it goes unnoticed?
So here is my take. 1 week before these incidents we were paying attention to Saudi Arabia and their killing of the journalist from the Washington Post. First they denied anything. Then after a few days they said things escalated and he was killed during the conflict. The day after the Soros pipe bomb made news, the crown price admits it was premeditated. Buried. Page 7 at least. Dont you think its ironic that the Soros package was identified as 'suspicious' and the butler ditches it in the woods and calls bomb squad??? The package didnt look _that_ suspicious. Not enough to throw it in the woods and call the cops. How often does Soros call the cops when he gets junkmail????? I think this is a deliberate distraction. NOBODY is even talking about this premeditated murder where the guy was literally cut up alive, according to Turkey, who obviously was bugging the consulate.
I see Trump attacking the specific people that lie about him first.
I see the left attacking ME, non-stop for daring to have a job and not having the correct color skin. Go ahead and tell me I'm wrong, but when your former president (Carter) said I was a racist for not liking the ACA, your last candidate telling me I'm deplorable, Auntie Maxine telling people to harass me when I go out to eat, former AG (Holder) telling people to kick me, and on and on. Meanwhile Trump ridicules Dr. Ford for LYING under oath to prevent the Senate from doing its job. BIG difference.
By the way, a bunch of women are accusing Robert Muller of sexual abuse. Know the reaction to it? They aren't to be believed, but are being put under investigation by the FBI instead. Thats right, you can LIE about people who support the president and get a million dollars, but if you accuse one of his opponents you are not believed and are quickly put under FBI investigation.
Liberals are SHIT, pure and simple. They can't tell the truth, they can't be civil, they can't be trusted with power ever again. Just look at them acting like Trump called up the shooter and told him to shoot Jews, no one believes you, you just once again prove you all are shit.
Forget the mail bombers and the wannabe apartment shooters and the vehicle attackers, those women in pussyhats are the real threat.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
I also like how you can read minds. That's a remarkable ability shared by many on the Left. When Black Lives Matter murders five police officers it doesn't reflect on them, but some nutcase has a Trump sticker and that obviously means it was planned from the top.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Military and their contractors shouldn't be allowed to behave as domestic law enforcement.
From the precious article
"The tool was originally developed under the Obama administration back in 2011 by the US Army Research Laboratory.."
So damn I guess Fox news wouldn't "be losing their ..."
Oh and did you know black support of Trump is higher than the past recent Republican presidents? Do you still want them to come out and vote when they disagree with your agenda?
Oh and did you also know that the Democratic primary is less Democratic than the Republican primary? Why do I bring this up? Because do to the superdelegates all the blacks, Jews, Mexicans (why would Mexican citizens be voting in the US anyway.. I think you mean Latino Americans) could have voted for Bernie and he still would have lost the primary. Interestingly enough I would bet that he would have won against Trump in a Presidential election.
Since we are educating you on how real life works. Did you know that the actual policy of Bush, Obama, and gasp Trump hasn't been that different in many aspects other than the TPP? Bush supported the Patriot act, Obama extended it, and now Trump seems to be using it. Obama built a wall 600 miles long down on our Mexican friends border...and did you know Trump wants to expand it? And what do you know Bush started bombing people all across the world and tortured them in the name of terrorism... Can you take a guess as to if Obama or Trump stopped it? Oh and that little doosey of an ACA Obama is so well known for .... Guess what? Its shares many similarities to something our Mormon friend crafted for his little state. Of course any die hard Democrat or Republican will have a host of fake news article to fervently assault these claims with. The reason? In current American politics it matters more who supports the law than what the law actually contains. This is why our debate in this country is nothing more than ad hominem attacks.
Go ahead and mod me down because I didn't scream Trump evil Obama a Muslim like the mods look for.
Every tool you build, your opponent will use against you.
Google and facebook are creating a lot of tools to "fight the alt-right", but when trump gets his orange hands on em, well it won't be pretty.
Well said. If only more people internalized your point.
The elephant in the room is how polarized the nation is. It began way before Trump. It has a lot to do with rating-driven news and advertising-driven social media. Sensationalism sells. Moderate people talking things through calmly does not.
you can bloody well forget about me and my dumb /. posts all you want if you get that one message through your skull.
And we each do what little we can. If I push a few over the edge to vote against Donald Trump and the modern American Aristocracy then I call that a win. If the Russians can get Trump elected then us Americans can get him kicked out. At least in 2020. In the meantime vote in your Mid Terms for anyone who'll oppose Trump's agenda.
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"They were coming right at us!!"
This will probably happen, so IDK why I'm making a south park joke... :(
Truth isn't Truth - Guliani
you're setting an unreasonably high standard so you don't have to bear the burden of the results of being "centrist". Don't fool yourself. You can't stay neutral here, any more than the UK could in WWII. You'll get dragged into the violence sooner or later on one side or the other.
America got a temporary reprieve when the wars distracted us long enough for the ruling class to rob us blind. But they're out of wars. Iran was the next one and looks like that's a no-go. The rich and powerful always use the same trick to divide the working class: Create an enemy for us to hate so we won't notice them robbing us blind. If they can't get one overseas they've got to make one at home. Eventually we'll kick out the Mexicans, ban the Muslims and turn to the Jews. Just like Europe does. This has been going on for thousands of years. We've got the internet and Wikipedia. We can read history and spot the pattern. Now's the time to end the cycle.
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If you want to have standing when you call people on the right out you really need to be free of guilt yourself.
Only angels can complain? That's ridiculous.
And while you may have convinced yourself that you're a centrist, I don't think you've convinced anyone here.
No you can take your false equivalence and shove it. I've always thought political parties were a bad idea, and nobody is a saint, but the degree of lying and cheating that people in the current US republican party will stoop to is unacceptable in a civil society. Your one example shows your argument is hollow. The GOP was all for repealing the ACA because it sounds good in a campaign slogan but didn't do it because they have no real alternative policy, just talking points. That's a concrete promise that was broken. Then you say some random squishy crap about Obama not sticking to "hope and change". Nothing concrete. On the same issue, the democrats ran on revamping healthcare, and that's what happened. Not single-payer, but the ACA was a concrete improvement to the status quo that could be put into law at the time despite an obstructionist opposition party. One of the main motivations for the ACA was getting the healthcare part of the national economy and national debt and deficit more under control, something the GOP claims they want to do but never do. Your claim that both of these are parties saying one thing and doing another is simply false equivalence.
"They were coming right at us!!"
This will probably happen, so IDK why I'm making a south park joke... :(
It is not that Trump particularly wants to kill them. He seems more amoral than anything else. If they die to serve his agenda, well that's fine, seems to be his thought process. In fact actual deaths of good people don't seem to register much to non teleprompter Trump. He just makes up a lie and moves on.
Let's look at the facts. Who does he admire and get along with? Strongmen. Dictators. That's pretty much it.
Which tactics does he use? You guessed it, the tactics of dictators and strong men. Blaming everything on a minority or two. Calling all your enemies evil or an angry mob, or any of the other variations. Continuous, vast, and uncountable numbers of lies.
People are angry. Righteous anger is normal and at times appropriate, but I worry that Trump is making people so angry with his scorched earth tactics to win, that we as a country can never heal.
Will we have our own Tiananmen Square anytime soon? Possibly.
Imagine this scenario. Does it seem likely?
"They were an angry mob with weapons (of some kind, not necessarily guns. Perhaps just a few brooms or something) and they were getting too close to the president. They had to be stopped. This is what happens when you let an angry mob take too much power, but thanks to our new pentagon programs we are active an alert about potential targets of insurrection against the homeland. In fact, to promote public safety we regularly update the public watch list database so employers can make informed decisions."
I find such a scenario quite possible, and if it happens, I'm not sure where it ends. (Needless to say the pentagon should not be involved in law enforcement at all.)
We already are talking kids in cages. Now he is openly talking about disobeying the constitution and throwing out people born in our country. We now have the military facing a non existent threat just to gin up his poll numbers. All of this should be grounds for removal, yet the right does nothing.
We just had proof that one of his rabid followers tried, seriously tried to assassinate two former presidents and a bunch of others. The fact that the guy was apparently too stupid to build a credible bomb is all that saved from disaster.
Another guy walked into a church and started killing, and if you don't think Trump's Us vs Them rhetoric fed the flames your an idiot. I remember Charlotsville well. He was an apologists for an angry mob shouting, "Jews will not replace us!" He said they were fine people.
We don't really need a vast system to predict and quell protests. That way leads on right down a path probably more like Communist China or possibly North Korea, though the shear number of guns in this country limits how far that is likely to go.
What we do need is simple honesty and people in charge willing to at least try to work together and do the job they were elected for, including the president.
I'm beginning to think we also need some history lessons, so as to better guide and guard us against making even more mistakes.
In the last election far too many of us asked, "What do we have to lose?" Now that answer is clear. We could lose everything that makes us a great country that one can be proud of. If there is a time to take action it is one week from now to restore checks and balances, for if we fail, it is possible we won't get another chance.
America the surveillance state. Just the words smell like ashes. Let us hope we can right this ship of state.
the for profit insurance industry did. There's multiple studies that show it kept prices down.... a bit. They're selling you something you can't live without and that has virtually no competition (since most get it from employers and there's only a few big companies left). The only cap on what they can charge is how much Americans will bear before they demand single payer.
Single payer solves everything. Every country in the world that's implemented it has made it work. Costs are limited because there's virtually no overhead. Doctors aren't employees of the government. It's single payer not single employer. The government is just paying. Docs do better because they no longer fight insurance companies for every scrap and penny.
Malpractice doesn't go away either. Again, we're not talking about nationalizing healthcare, we're nationalizing insurance. Just the paying for it.
The problem you're having is there's a multi-billion dollar propaganda engine putting ideas in your head. That's because the insurance companies are fighting for their lives. If Americans every realize they've got a bloated tick literally sucking the life out of them that's it. End of the gravy train. They spent half a billion last time we did a major reform and it paid off in spades with the "individual mandate" aka Romneycare being the best we could do even with Dems in charge. Don't fall for it. Single payer has been shown to work again and again. It saves money and it saves lives. 45,000 Americans will die of treatable illness this year. Next year you might be one of them. Demand single payer and don't vote for anyone who won't give you it.
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wow thats probably the best analogy I have seen to summarize what partisanship has become. IMO senate and representative positions should be like Jury Duty. I should go to the mailbox, open my mail, and go "well shit! Ive got Senate duty this year". The problem with this career politicians is that they know where all the bodies are buried.
OK, I like the fact that your eyes are open to this, but this is actually not a one sided issue. Its a ping-pong back-and-forth power play that will, end the end, turn us into a economic devide of those will all the wealth and those of us getting shit on. The problem is there are still too many people falling for the 'pick a side' politics. We so fucking need a Libertarian party with full recognition on a national level.
The absolute best thing that could happen to the US is compulsory voting.
Make it a requirement to be on the electoral role once you are over 18 and make it a requirement to vote.
Blah blah blah what about my freedom to not vote blah blah blah rights about me blah blah blah it's a free country I shouldn't have to vote if I don't want to. Simply put it's not a free country, try not paying your taxes and see how free the country really is. In the end, as citizens, we get privileges and in exchange we pay costs. If there is no one you want to vote for then draw a giant cock on the voting sheet. Nothing requires you to make a valid vote, just to turn up on the day. And for all the too poor, too sick, too remote people there are a million ways that the vote can be got to you.
Then you stop getting dog whistle politics, because mobilizing the voter is no longer the challenge. Now the challenge is to actually win the majority of your people. It inevitably pulls you towards the middle.
He always can pay someone to do the job for him.
You don't need big hands to hold a credit card.
further right and into the realm of dictators. It's the same thing we're seeing with Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell going around saying they want to end Social Security and Medicare right when they're getting ready to retire. They're putting the idea into the public discourse in a politically safe way. For Ryan & McConnell it's because they're close to the end of their careers (though Ryan might try and come back for a presidential run in a few years). For Trump it's because he's Teflon. Nothing sticks.
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Nope. He was a white supremacist name Robert Bowers. Trump was not extreme enough for him.
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My point is that the political side is irrelevant. It's just the act of spending money into those technologies that make the future worse, because technology don't choose side, it is on the side of those who wield it.
You can kill an american with an AR-15 and a communist with an AK47. The tool will not take a side because it's only a tool.
Shouldn't be hard, Where Trump goes a protest will follow, much like Mary, and her lamb.
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
Bringing in the fancy analytics and social media sentiment analysis. Here's a foolproof Protest Prediction Algorithm.
IF (TRUMP IS PRESIDENT) THEN
SIGNAL(WIDESPREAD PROTEST)
END IF
They're coming for you and you're not going to be safe in your gated communities. Vote. And Vote for whoever has the best chance of taking down Trump and company. Or the violence is going to get worse. A lot worse.
Well, it was the instability of Germany in the 1920s that allowed the Nazi party to come to power. The communists has just overthrown the Czar in Russia, there was massive inflation and economic instability, mass unemployment, and the fascists were having weekly street riots with the communists. The Nazis stepped in, and offered to mop up the filthy communists, Jews and foreigners who were causing 'problems', and the German people ate it up.
Fascism is about national strength, militarism, xenophobia, and authoritarian solutions. Some of the first attacks Trump made when he came to power were on scientific programs, and he wants to start having military parades. In the 1920s the Nazis had their own newspapers and loved to attack any news that wasn't their own, sometimes go so far as to break into offices and smash other people's presses. The parallels between now and the 1920s are disturbingly similar.
Go read about the early history of the Nazi party, from 1920 to 1933, and think about what is happening now.
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At this rate, worrying about terrorists attempting to overthrow the government hardly seems necessary. The Trump administration appears to be doing just fine destroying what government we have left all by themselves without intervention of any outsiders, whether foreign or domestic.
No doubt allowing Trump to determine who is and who is not a US citizen by decree will fix everything. After all, who needs a Constitution when "only he can fix it"?
The president of a certain country broke constitutional amendments numbers 1, 2, 4, and 9. Can you guess which amendment he broke next?
Kids in cages happened while Obama was President, and all those images were from there. Check your facts because the fake news doesn't. They do anything to stir controversy for profit.
As to your idiotic statement about throwing out people who were born here--who in power said that, ever? I'm waiting....yeah, nobody did so quit lying.
Now, do you realize the whole birthright citizenship misinterpretation comes from a FOOTNOTE that Justice Brennen put in a ruling in the 1980s? Yes...a footnote has changed our country. Wrongly, it turns out. You see, the people who wrote the 14th amendment were asked what it meant at the time and their answers were written down. They specifically said that it did not cover children born to parents who owe allegiance to another nation (are citizens of, say, Honduras). That's what 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' means. If it did not mean that, they could have left it at just all persons born within the United States--but they didn't. For a reason.
The 14th amendment was written as it was to guarantee citizenship to ex slaves. Ex slaves who were having their rights denied by Democrats, btw. Ex slaves were brought here with no choice in the matter and who because of that were subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, had no other nation to legally owe allegiance to and be citizens of, and so they were made citizens as were their children.
At the time, the 14th amendment did not even cover Native Americans--because they had separate nations we made treaties with. They were thus not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Congress made them citizens by law in 1924, as is their right to do under the Constitution, btw, so that settled that.
What Trump is doing is entirely Constitutional. Birthright citizenship is based on a misinterpretation of a lie, and he's going to fix it. (So is corporate personhood, btw, but that's a story for a other time) If it were not in accordance with the Constitution, he wouldn't and couldn't do it.
Currently:
The US military is there to monitor and steer social media to prevent mass protests.
The NSA is there to seed misinformation and monitor what people are thinking or planning.
The FBI is there to stop the wrong people getting too close to being elected president.
The Police are there to stop too many black or brown people voting.
ICE is there to separate families and traumatize children.
I'm sure there's nothing sinister about any of this and all these roles were explicitly written in the constitution...
Work like no one is watching. Dance like you've never been hurt. Make love like you don't need the money.
Buried. Page 7 at least.
I don't know which papers you are reading but on the news outlets I frequent it was headline news for multiple days. The BBC lead it with on their prime time news programming more than once, discussed it at least.
NOBODY is even talking about this premeditated murder
There was extended debate about if the UK should continue to supply arms to SA, and if our political leaders should attend the "Davos in the desert" meeting. I seem to recall Trump making a slightly bizarre statement about it too.
I'm thinking that maybe it was the right leaning news outlets in the US that buried it, because the bombs were targeting those in the centre-right and on the left of politics. I've noticed that e.g. Fox News often buries stories that would look bad for the Republicans and the far right, e.g. they barely mentioned a lot of the Mueller stuff and their coverage of the recent shooting was mostly talking heads calling it a false flag op. Could it be that you have this impression due to the sources you are using?
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
We don't really need a vast system to predict and quell protests. That way leads on right down a path probably more like Communist China or possibly North Korea, though the shear number of guns in this country limits how far that is likely to go.
If most of the gun owners think the same way, and they're easily duped, they could be convinced into becoming the ruling communist party. They'd need to be really hierarchy-oriented though, and willing to follow a strongman. Good thing we don't have that in America.
How hard can predicting an anti-Trump protest be? It's like every protest now.
My guess would be, that the researchers aren't specifically endeared to Trump, but that they see a fine opportunity for their research in the controversy around Trump resulting in frequent protests about a subject that is relatively easy to find in keyword searches ("president" and/or "Trump").
By focusing on Trump they can severely cut down on the amount of social media chatter they have to work with and see what methods they can apply to it (e.g. simply seeking words like "protest" in the vicinity of "Trump", frequency of words with negative connotations etc.) to predict protests. Once they got that (reasonably) pat they can apply said methods to a wider range of subjects.
Surely one can discuss the morality of such research, but when doing so it shouldn't be seen as a "Trump thing" but as a "predict protests thing" that can (and if feasible will) be applied to all kinds of controversial subjects (climate, environment, police shootings, gun laws, abortions, ...).
Once algorithms are in place to filter out social media posts that lead up to protests a next step in research might be a better understanding how momentum builds up in the public discussion, and that might lead to ideas how to manipulate and "guide" such discussions to get back some of the control that journalistic "gate keepers" had before wide spread social media. That aspect should be of far more concern than the current research focus on "anti-Trump" protests of a research that probably won't see much (if any) real world application during Trumps presidency anyway.
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Will we have our own Tiananmen Square anytime soon? Possibly.
You people have completely lost your minds.
You seriously need to get a grip. Turn off the TV, the computer, whatever you need to, for awhile.
Yes, there are incidents at some protests. But one side has a real problem with more than just idiots and vandals, it has people convinced that there is a literal war and that they are soldiers in it.
Yes, indeed. Luckily the authorities took notice.
https://www.independent.co.uk/...
censoring (i.e. deleting or hiding) any videos that question the veracity of the synagogue 'attack'. Why is that?
Because only hateful racist idiots are posting them?
Because there's plentiful evidence that someone murdered people in a synagogue?
Because there's someone charged with multiple counts of murder?
Fucking hell, feel free to be a fuckwit but please, do try not to infest the rest of us.
> How are you people proud of anything?
You are probably alive, fat, and happy because of a number of things we created.
That's not even getting into us rescuing you from one of your little inter-tribal conflicts.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
tweeting about baseball and saying he thought he might miss his rally.... because he was having a bad hair day. That's not "Trump being Trump". That's Trump signaling to the far right that violence is OK.
I had to pause a moment before responding, I initially took this as one of the silly things that "SJW"s say about secret signaling or whatever it is.
But other than me remembering that dumb stuff from Twitter or wherever, I completely agree on both sides. Republicans and Democrats really could've picked better candidates than Hillary and Trump. What a joke the last election was. I so wish 3rd party was some kind of viable solution in this country rather than whoever gets picked in the 2 main parties.
Every tool you build, your opponent will use against you.
Google and facebook are creating a lot of tools to "fight the alt-right", but when trump gets his orange hands on em, well it won't be pretty.
Indeed. The left always wants more government. This is what "more government" looks like. This sort of thing is exactly why forward-looking people want to reduce the current size of government!
(And before anyone types "Somalia", there a lot of room to reduce our current government and still have a large government.)
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
As the Founders of the United States Intended, lets make it not matter so much who we hire but how well they do the job directed by the people, See/read/do/share http://www.3seas.org/ for a government work order giving the people their bottom line voice back as intended by the Founders of the US. Otherwise what to expect of employees without direction?
First of all, "anti-Trump" protests are not "anti-Government" protests. The Pentagon has a few smart people, you'd figure they'd point that out to the rest of them.
Secondly, it's not very democratic to take sides against the People. A lot of those smart people at the Pentagon study a whole lot of history and should know the inevitable negative consequences of such policies.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Okay, so we have one possibly attempted murder (he was actually charged with assault). Against a long list of actual murders. Can you see why I'm saying it's false equivalence?
I'm not disputing that there are some bad people with left wing views or in Antifa, by the way.
The reason for the 2001 cut-off is that's where Wikipedia's list begins, and apparently there was some change in the way such things are defined and recorded due to 9/11 that makes data from that point forward more reliable.
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but don't count on guns to save you from tyranny. The government will have the military, and a disorganized resistance without supply lines is no match for a modern army. Don't look to Afghanistan for solace. We took the valuable parts of the country and let the "insurgents" run wild in the desert mountains and occasionally come down and blow up a school bus.
/. nerds tell ourselves we can do to solve any problem if all else fails.
"Second Amendment Solutions" are the political equivalent to "getting my MCSE". Something you tell yourself to feel better about a worsening solution. Something
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And as we're seeing, conservatives are the ones abusing government power.
Indeed. Left or right, you should want a smaller government, because there's always someone who will abuse whatever power you give them. The only true defense is giving them less power.
Any power you give a currently-OK government to solve some problem will eventually be used against you unfairly and maliciously by the next evil man who ends up in charge. Make sure it's worth it.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Be able to update their FB and not get shit for it
OK, you're wrong, Nobody has ever criticized you for having a job, or for having "the correct color skin" whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.
I have no idea what this refers to, it sounds like a ridiculous interpretation of something, and that feeling is helped by the below:
I assume this is a reference to when Clinton said that 50% of Trump's then supporters (this was the primaries, and he had around 30% of the Republican vote, so 15% of registered Republicans) were neo-nazis and misogynists and specifically referred to that 15%, AND ONLY THAT 15%, as "Deplorables". Here's the quote:
You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trumpâ(TM)s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobicâ"you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. (...) [the other half of Trumpâ(TM)s supporters] feel that the government has let them down [and are]desperate for change. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.
Now, please, tell me what is specifically wrong with any of that? Because I don't see it. It's 100% accurate, and it neatly distinguishes between Trump's fascist supporters and his supposed good faith but misguided supporters. One thing that's impossible to do is to assume that it's a reference to YOU unless you're saying you're "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic (or) Islamaphobic" in which case I'm struggling to see why you'd think liberal push back would be right.
Are you saying you work for the Trump administration and you're directly involved in policy such as Family Separations? Because if not, then "Auntie Maxine" said nothing of the sort. She was never referring to people who didn't work for the regime.
I could go on but I won't. The reality is it doesn't matter what liberals say, you'll find a way to invent a meaning for it that turns it into an attack on you personally. So stop it, listen to what we say, and, hey, if you still disagree then that's fine, but for fuck's sake nobody is saying those things about you.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
I hadn't thought about that... it is a dataset they can get their hands on 'cleanly' and then apply the algorithms to countries that need to be 'liberated'...
So the Pentagon is calling the 1st amendment "insurrection"
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
And Lord Trumkin believes he can invalidate the 14th Amendment with a waive of a pen.
Amendment XIV, Section 1. "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."
Yet, he's the most popular Republican president with his base in the modern era.
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
Meanwhile the Right continues to deny any and all correlation between the talking head hate site FauxNoise, Trumpkin's rhetoric, and an increase in hate crimes.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/p...
vote people, get out and vote.
If their aim is to counter terrorism, it seems like targeting pro-trump rallies would be far more effective.
Everything he wrote was factual and true. I particularly like how you can't point to anything and refute it.
Glad to see the 2016 election strategy is still the go-to.
People in this country haven't protested in decades... all that's happen today is petulant children and sore losers staging small scale riots where they attack anyone who doesn't adhere to their particular brand of insane social justice. When you go from legitimate protests against war and injustice to mask wearing nutjobs shutting down city streets and attacking citizens who are just trying to move about their neighborhoods, you don't get to hide behind a "right to protest" any longer.
Good luck trying to keep off the FBI watch list Mr. MAGAbomber 2.0
"Everything he wrote was factual and true. I particularly like how you can't point to anything and refute it."
In a civil discourse / debate, it's the person MAKING the claims that has to PROVE them, not the other fucking way around. Amazing how people still don't get that.
Are you Christian as well? Seems like really religious people cling to this fallacy like it's a floating door or something....it's annoying. Prove your own shit or stfu plz.
Your mind is like a parachute. It works best when it's been opened.
Your side
You don't know which side that is. For instance..
you're just a whiny apologist for violent fascists
You're making shit up. I haven't apologised for anybody. I don't support violent fascists. I also don't support violent anti-fascists. One of those seems to upset you.
You scream "Antifa" because they look scary
No. I drew Antifa into the conversation because they've been declared a terrorist organisation. My views on them are irrelevant to that designation.
Take it up with the US Government if you disagree.
Every country in the world that's implemented it has made it work ...because they had to, because communists made them.
You lies are straight out of his playbook.
My only wonder is if you're being paid by the Russians, or really believe what you're Spewing.
I bet you have some nice Stickers on the windows of you PaedoVan. :)
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