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California Voters Embrace Year-Round Daylight-Saving Time (sfchronicle.com)
Californians warmed to the idea of year-round daylight-saving time, approving an initiative that would urge state lawmakers to junk the annual springing forward and falling back. From a report: With 43 percent of precincts reporting Tuesday night, Proposition 7 was leading 61 percent to 39 percent. It's a long way from here to year-round daylight-saving time. First, the Legislature would have to approve it by a two-thirds vote. Then Congress would have to allow California to deviate from standard time when most of the rest of the nation shifts to it.
Let's get real, it's highly probable that both Oregon and Washington State will follow suit. Just easier.
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What the hell is "year-round daylight-saving time" ? Isn't that just "time"?
Or are they suggesting that California rates it's own time zone now, where they are essentially Mountain Time until spring, when Oregon and Washington join them by moving forward an hour? Because that doesn't get confusing at all.
Maybe it's time DST just goes away altogether?
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and this will possibly turn out to be a parade.
My understanding is that it's not a year-round daylight savings time - but instead it's a ballot measure allowing the legislature to change California's observance of daylight savings time.
They could choose to change the days, they could choose to make it DST year-round, or they could choose to make it standard time year-round (i would vote for the latter).
The biggest issue here is that it gives the california legislature the power to do whatever they think is "best", and they don't necessarily have a great history of doing that. They could choose to change everything around every couple years, making the situation even worse than it is now.
Dailight-saving or not was irrelevant. They just wanted to stop being forced to get jet-lagged twice a year.
We're a small part of the equations, but this would be a good thing for Arizona residents who make their way to California for vacations on the coast. Our clocks would be synced up 365 days out of the year.
unless its nation-wide, it will just end up causing more confusion.
It passed because we all just went through daylight savings time, and it was annoying as hell.
The proposition that Californians (like me!) just voted to does not make any Daylight Savings Time year-round. All it does is give the state legislature power to address the issue of Daylight Savings Time.
Now, it may well end up being that we pick one or the other or maybe just leave it, or it might be that nothing is changed. My preference would be to just keep DST all year round, because it would give me an extra hour in the afternoon to hang out at the beach and maybe surf. For example, today sunset is a 5:03pm, and we're still over a month out from the Winter Solstice. If I want to hit the pier at first daylight to fish for surfperch (which are fucking delicious) or halibut, now I have to get up at like 5am to make coffee and get rolling.
By the way, to show how enlightened we are here in Cali, you don't need any kind of license to fish off the piers or the rocks if you're not commercial. Shit, back in Texas, any time you wanted to do anything in nature you had to fork over money to the state government. They were always up your ass. Here, it's more chill, as long as you're not trying to fuck shit up for other people.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Pacific Daylight Time (PDT) is the same as Mountain Standard Time (MST). (not to be confused with MT which generically refers to both MST and MDT)
Seems to make sense to me. Disadvantage is now tech workers in California will have phone meetings to the East Coast that will be an hour off sometimes. Advantage is the harder to schedule meetings with India will be more consistent, as India does not use daily savings (and has a weird half-hour adjustment, UTC +5:30). Frankly the disadvantage is insignificant in my case I do more business with India, China, Taiwan, Japan, Europe, and Washington state than I do with the rest of the US.
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Or maybe, just maybe, this sparks the rest of the country to follow...
The person on the west border of the time zone strip is waking up one hour earlier than the person on the east border of the time zone strip, with regard to real local time (= position of the sun in the sky ... actually, it's even more complicated).
You will notice that people in the east of a time zone have an easier time getting up early. Because they still get tired in accordance with sunlight, no matter what the clock says. (OK, at least if they are not screen junkies.)
The defining moment for me was, with my ex, when we were on the phone, and it was night where she is but day where I am, yet of course the clock time was the incorrectly same.
Because if you'd try to argue for actual local time, even though technically simple, you will get to feel the power of the dumb masses, who will as usually shout "It’s too complicated." when they mean "I'm too dumb and too lazy, and I would like it to stay that way.".
... as long as that stupid time change twice a year ends.
For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.
everyone hates changing for DST and back, but can't decide on which one we want to keep so instead we'll just keep fucking do it.
Screw the government, we just need to start a movement where everyone just refuses to change the next time around regardless of what the fed does
Since Arizona mostly doesn't do DST, CA staying on DST year-round makes them match AZ. So there's already one neighbor effectively on that time zone.
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NO ONE wants Daylight Savings Time, literally no one.
I've talked about Daylight Savings Time with people for the last 30 or 40 years, and every time the subject comes up it's clear that no one wants it. Literally not one person in 30+ years of talking about it has ever said they liked it or wanted it, not one.
Who doesn't want Daylight Savings Time? Here's a list: Everyone in existence.
Literally no one wants this bullshit time-shifting crap, yet no one has the balls to force the issue.
Three cheers for California for being the first to look at dumping it. And yes, I hope that Oregon and Washington will follow suit and get rid of it.
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so its gonna take what 15 years to get this passed because of the government red tape? really... really??? come on POTUS Obama, Clinton, Bush, Trump - executive order time -- just abandon the fall back and spring forward fiasco... pretty please..
DST is a royal pain for most people twice a year. I get that.
We like to remove pain. I get that too.
Does anyone remember why we have DST in the first place?
Can anyone imagine what New York would be like without DST?
I suspect that we're going to find out.
And I'll wager that DST will return to New York within three years of being removed.
I'm sure L.A. doesn't have the same needs as does New York.
New York is a business city, whereby most people work in offices and in general business schedules.
Let's say most business people leave the house no later than 8am, and return home no earlier than 6pm.
Standard 9to5 day.
In the winter, sunrise is what, 7:30am?
And that's just barely, and on a sunny day.
It's 8am before a human being would call it daylight.
And it's 10am before a human being would call it daylight on a cloudy day.
And don't forget, New York City has tall buildings.
The reverse produces a 5pm or 4:30pm sunset.
Without DST, there's simply no way for an office-worker to ever see the sun between december and march.
Given that to be an unacceptable scenario, for health and wellness and mental and family reasons, DST to the rescue.
DST doesn't solve the problem.
DST reduces the problem.
Instead of three months of hell.
DST reduces the hell to only two days.
Alas, it would seem that humans have forgotten the benefits of DST -- because there aren't any "benefits", there are simply far fewer negatives.
I live farther north than New York. For me, daylight from december through march would be 10am to 3pm on cloudy days. 9am to 4pm on fully sunny days.
I work from home. Technically, I don't care. But when it comes to the 10 million people who use my city every day, I'd suspect that morning rush-hour might benefit from some celestial illumination.
Good luck.
So Californians will enact year-round DST, which is fun and good, until they realize they're going to spend a couple of months of every year getting to work and school before sunrise, often in cold rainy weather. This is the sort of thing that people living in Seattle or Canada or Norway (and, oddly enough, Spain) may be familiar with, but for most Californians will come as a nasty surprise. I'd love to see the backlash when these voters realize what they've gotten themselves into.
A lot of countries now doing away with these stupid time changes. I guess Congress too conflicted in partisan bickering to even pass something that most want to see gone. Either way days are shorter in Winter nights are shorter in Summer. No matter what you do with the time you can't change that.
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. The entire country trid year round DST in the mid-70s. It was a disaster. And now the granola state wants to do it again. Congress will never break up the uniformity it set up in 1967 in the interest of the economy and a reasonable social structure.
We all just got through discussing how much the concept of Daylight Saving sucks. So the Gilded State's response is to...make it permanent.. Yeah, right. Now Newsomstan will be permanently out of sync with surrounding states, rather than just every summer.
This is the state that in earlier proposition drollery passed a toxic chemicals labeling law so draconian that now certain trees have to be labeled:
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What Californians think about much of anything. Most of the time, I prefer to pretend they, and their third world excuse for a state (which I have roots in and have lived in myself) don't exist. That earthquake can't come soon enough, and all of the rest of humanity will be grateful when it does. Suck it, you 21st century colonialists.
You can be sure that California will do it. You're more likely to see sanity out of Trump than CA.
That and like him, they'll claim it as the biggest success ever.
If they're going to stop the DST changeover they should revert to standard time, NOT DST.
the purpose of Daylight savings was to give people more shopping hours. Retailers like it because folks shop less when the sun goes down. We've basically massively inconvenienced ourselves so that sales don't dip a bit in the winter.
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I don't quite think that the ladies in California want a time change issue to happen due what happens to estro when you want to suffer in this regard. I voted off the pulp information ballot, and caught that this one was thrown by Hill Clinton. She has one hell of a duplicate estrogen movement. I think that this one was funded by one of those billionaire dudes that think its time to split California up into three states. Quite extremist.
We voted to move the decision on whether we do DST out of the state constitution and into the legislative assembly.
Whether we keep doing DST, or stay on standard time or stay on daylight saving time year round is a whole different question.
I, for one, will be supporting standard time year round. The standard time zones were laid out with some thought, and the sun should be at its highest at around noon, not around 1 PM.
If people want to shift the time at which they go to work in different seasons that's just fine... but don't mess with the clocks.
American shit who cares.
Morning light is the best light. I'd rather miss evening light. I'm not a morning person at all, but when my child wakes me up to play just as it gets light there is something wonderful about the quality of the light and the air in the morning. I Luke fall back because I get that time again. Why is everyone obsessed with light after work?
refactor the law, its bloated, confusing and unmaintainable.
There was another article about this from British newspaper Evening Standard, a conservative newspaper based in London and owned by a Russian billionaire, which claimed that California was going to keep daylight saving time all year round but also that California is going to keep standard time all year round. The same article also quotes a "Republican Democratic" assemblyman from San Jose.
Who decided that the permanent time should be "daylight savings" time, huh? Sounds like cabal of time police and the Star Chamber to me!
They have lost an hour, forever! When you "spring forward", you lose an hour. Where has that hour gone, you tell me? It's just gone and the government gets to keep it! That's totes illegal, but no one says anything. Wake up sheeple!
I just knew those stupid liberals would eventually see the light.