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'Why PC Builders Should Stock Up on Components Now' (pcmag.com)
Michael Kan, writing for PCMag: NZXT is a popular PC desktop case vendor, but the California-based company recently had to raise its prices. The reason? The new US tariffs on Chinese imports includes PC cases. In September, the Trump administration imposed the 10 percent duty, which also cover motherboards, graphics cards, and CPU coolers from the country. As a result, NZXT had to introduce a 10 percent price increase on PC cases to deal with the added costs, VP Jim Carlton told PCMag in an interview.
And building a PC could get even more expensive in 2019; US tariffs on Chinese-made goods will rise from 10 percent to 25 percent in January. "If I needed to build a system in the next six months, I'd definitely build it before the end of the year," Carlton told us. For PC builders, the tariffs risk adding a few hundred dollars to the total cost of components for a custom desktop. "If it's a $2,000 purchase on 25 percent tariffs, it's going to be a $2,500 purchase," Carlton said. "So we are very concerned with the direction of where this is going. I don't have a 10 percent [profit] margin I can just throw away and absorb the tariffs," he added. "And certainly no one has a margin for 25 percent."
And building a PC could get even more expensive in 2019; US tariffs on Chinese-made goods will rise from 10 percent to 25 percent in January. "If I needed to build a system in the next six months, I'd definitely build it before the end of the year," Carlton told us. For PC builders, the tariffs risk adding a few hundred dollars to the total cost of components for a custom desktop. "If it's a $2,000 purchase on 25 percent tariffs, it's going to be a $2,500 purchase," Carlton said. "So we are very concerned with the direction of where this is going. I don't have a 10 percent [profit] margin I can just throw away and absorb the tariffs," he added. "And certainly no one has a margin for 25 percent."
There is no law of god or men that says all electronics should come from China.
Order a quality motherboard from Japan. A GPU from Singapore. A CPU from Mexico. A PSU from Canada, and so on.
If you are human and care about human things, you should already be boycotting China.
A couple of points:
1. The people lining up are not necessarily the people buying the products of the companies featured in the article.
2. Given the example is a $2000 custom-built rig, we are firmly in Apple territory. The cases by NZXT in the summary can be very bling.
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People often dislike tariffs because it means more expensive goods. But they don't stop to think about why those good are inexpensive.
It all pretty boils down to the fact that, even when accounting for the cost of living, youcould not take a factory building anything in the third world andbring it to the use because of.
1. Labor laws...minimum wage, working hours, overtime rules.
2. Government regulations...safety, healthcare, discrimination, etc.
3. Environmental laws...emissions, hazardous waste disposal, etc,
Most would agree that all these regulations and laws are for the good and that we don't want a steel plant in the US operating like it does in China.
However, the same people who don't want to have the dirty, dangerous manufacturing here are more than happy to have it somewhere else and then take advantage of the cheap prices. Hence, their opposition to tariffs.
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It's too bad that machined sheet metal is too difficult technically speaking for an American company to start producing. Whatever will we do?
Concern over hardware with a long supply chain like cpu's, mobo's, ram etc is one thing.. but something as stupidly simple to produce as a fucking metal box? come on.
Hopefully the outcome of these tariffs is that another country (maybe even the US?) will step up and start producing and supplying components. It is somewhat foolish to allow one single country to have a near total monopoly on something as important as electronics.
(But more than likely some enterprising individual will setup shop in Mexico or Canada; and import the goods from China, then just ship them across the border to avoid the tariff.)
in 2020. The one thing that's kept my meager standard of living up is cheap goods from China. It's not like tariffs will stop the flow of cheap labor from India flooding IT. Meanwhile Trump's tax cut wasn't as big as folks think. A lot of people set their withholding lower than they should and are going to get an unpleasant surprise in April when they either have a smaller than average refund or maybe even owe.
Normally the decisions made by a president don't show up immediately. It took close to 8 years for Obama to repair the damage from the 2008 crash. But tariffs and tax cuts are immediate. If folks don't see a positive effect they're gonna get uppity. We'll know in a few years.
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and build a PC case out of it, i seen some great PC cases made from hardwood and they look more like art-deco furniture than a PC case
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The case doesn't cost those amounts.
A 9900K and a 2080Ti and you are just about there on those alone.
Yeah, but with that logic, planted stories in the industry-friendly press won't lead to increased sales for Q4. Buy now before the tariffs increase your needlessly expensive case by $5! And other FUD statements!
Won't you think of the shareholders?
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Recently saw someone say something like three times less without (none 1) reference fraction.
You seemingly don't realize that this is just a tax on American citizens... There is no "American-made" alternative to most of these components, so it will serve only to raise the prices Americans are forced to pay while the countries of production don't notice a difference.
Sounds like a business opportunity to make PC cases in the US so Americans aren't 'forced' to buy Chinese shit.
There is no law of god or men that says all electronics should come from China.
Laws of economics do dictate where electronics come from. The overwhelming majority of the supply chain for electronics depends heavily on China because that's where the companies are located and it's been trending that way for decades. If you can find a way to shift the supply chains away from China have at it but you'll find that near impossible.
Order a quality motherboard from Japan. A GPU from Singapore. A CPU from Mexico. A PSU from Canada, and so on.
Good luck with that. You'll find the components on that motherboard, power supply, graphics card, etc are made in China even if the assembly was put together elsewhere. If you want something made with just local content be prepared to spend a fortune on it. Companies like Apple and the rest don't source from China because they like China. They do it because there are no practical alternatives.
If you are human and care about human things, you should already be boycotting China.
Why? Because you think your country is owed something and shouldn't have to compete? Because you have a jingoistic view of China and it's people? You think 20% of the world's population should just sit on the sidelines economically because it's inconvenient for Americans or Europeans?
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Its hard to imagine a build where the DDR4 cost isnt dominating the equation... but you did it.
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So when the orange moron changes his mind again on a whim and the tariffs go away, you can lose a ton of money. Sounds like a great business plan. Good luck!
The production countries will notice: undoubtedly demand for their products will fall with an increased price due to tarriffs.
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Good design and appearance matters. Just like how people will buy a Silk Suite, a fancy car... However there is stuff that appearance is secondary to functionality and affordability.
Also people will normally buy as much as they can afford to get. If a Macbook that cost $2,500 moved up to $3,000 it may end up being too much for some people. But there are also people who are just wanting to spend under $1,000 for a system. With this artificial cost added to the products, will mean you will get less for your dollar.
Apple may take a small hit, as people are expected to pay a premium for its products... However Apple isn't the only player by a long shot.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Concern over hardware with a long supply chain like cpu's, mobo's, ram etc is one thing.. but something as stupidly simple to produce as a fucking metal box? come on.
Sure, we know how to make cheap metal boxes in the US. That's never been a problem. The problem is the percentage of labor content that goes into producing cheap metal boxes and the cost of labor. Cheap metal boxes tend to be labor intensive to make unless you make those boxes in HUGE volumes. It's more economical to have them made in a country with cheap labor. China has cheap labor and the US does not. QED they get made in China and not the US.
Goods that are capital intensive are made in countries with high labor costs but access to cheap capital. The US has the cheapest cost of capital in the world so goods that have low labor content tend to be made here. Stuff like jumbo jets, earth moving equipment, cars, CPUs, chemicals, etc. The US has a manufacturing sector worth about $3 TRILLION annually which makes one of the 5 largest economies in the world - roughly the same size as the entire GDP of the UK or Germany. We make lots of stuff but we can't compete on cheap metal boxes just like China can't (currently) compete with the US on jumbo jets.
Any time you see an idiot politician (like Trump) promising to "bring back manufacturing jobs" to the US they are promising the impossible. The only way those "cheap metal boxes" will get produced here in the US is if we experience a massive reduction in wages to bring us close to those paid in China. No amount of tariffs will change that economic reality. I'm pretty sure you don't actually want such a fall in wages to happen. The good news is that as China becomes more prosperous their wages will rise and labor intensive production will leave China for other places with still cheaper labor. Already happens in some industries.
The reason there is no American alternative is because, although all of this was designed in the US, China used it's slave labor force to build this stuff by people required to work 14+ hour days. And every time American ingenuity came up with a way to compete with the slave labor force, the Chinese government changed the exchange rate to make sure we weren't competitive. Who needs a tariff when you control the exchange rate?
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So Canada doesn't have any of these tariffs, but somehow I have a feeling we'll be paying them anyways but the money just goes to greedy companies and not the government. Yay, Canada!
So with a 10% tariff on the cost of bringing this into the US... assuming they're passing 100% of the cost of this to customers
Assuming a typical 100% mark-up then the cost of components is 50% the retail/end-user cost of product. So if a 10% increase in a component results in a 10% increase in sale price they are making extra profit as a result of the increase in import tariff/duty.
Meanwhile Trump's tax cut wasn't as big as folks think.
It was plenty big for certain people with several commas in their annual income. That isn't the real problem though. The real problem is that they cut taxes without cutting either Medicare/Medicaid or the defense budget or social security which together account for around 3/4 of federal spending. So we continue to accrue debt at a rate of nearly a $trillion per year with no end in sight which our children are going to have to pay off sooner or later. In 2017 we basically borrowed the entire defense department budget. ALL of it.
So enjoy the party while it lasts. Sooner or later the bills will come due and your children will "thank" you for it.
Sounds like a business opportunity to make PC cases in the US so Americans aren't 'forced' to buy Chinese shit.
Apparently you missed the past decade where big businesses has been positioning to transition to using south american cheap labor instead of southeast asian cheap labor.
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Moral of the story: it may take a little time for long-term strategies to pay off. Stagnant (or nonexistent) industries obviously aren't going to spring to life overnight.
Well we can make them in the usa with the CPU'S
If the cpu's can be made in the usa why not the ram and MB as well??
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Not really.
The vast majority of sales on any product is supplying industry for other projects. The 10-25% increase in a component's price just becomes a small percentage of the final product price. All together, the final assembled product is more expensive to produce, but for no directly-attributable reason. It's not "the tariff on the case". It's "parts just cost more for this batch".
Now, that takes place over a span of years, as parts work their way through supply-chain warehouses. Computers are some of the fastest-moving products, but they can still take a couple of years to move inventory from manufacturer to consumer. It's a few months at the importer, a few months at the retailer, and a few months at the assembler, but it adds up. That delay further reduces the visibility of the tariff's impact. Parts just seem to have generally-higher prices, even if they appear to come from American sources.
By the time the product gets to the consumer market, it's still listed with the usual markup, and sells at a slightly-reduced rate, but since the tariffs affect all manufacturers with American supply chains, consumers can't get a better deal by going elsewhere. Even if another manufacturer were able to sell at lower prices, they now have an option to raise their prices to keep the market status quo (which is likely right what they're tooled for and ready to produce). In short, the US manufacturers' profits are cut, and foreign manufacturers' profits grow.
You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
china factory's also make a lot of smog! that lowers costs as well.
Sounds like a business opportunity to make PC cases in the US so Americans aren't 'forced' to buy Chinese shit.
Go ahead and try since you think it is so easy. We can talk about how it went after your bankruptcy.
Here's a little clue for you though. The reason we don't make PC cases in the US has NOTHING to do with our technical ability to make such cases and has everything to do with the cost of labor and to a lesser extent cost of materials. We know how to make them but we cannot do it as cheaply as they can in China. No amount of tariffs will change that fact nor will they cause the supply chains for goods made in China to shift to the US in any substantial way.
So the theory goes.... but for mainstream consumer products like PC's, the demand wouldn't fall enough... and any tariff sufficiently high to actually discourage the demand enough to make a difference would only result in the creation of a black market that would be large enough to make up that difference, so no.... you can't win.
Also, labor is cheaper in China not just because of poorer working standards but because the supply of labor in China is more than triple that of the USA... and simply by virtue of that oversupply of labor, the price of it is inherently forced down.
If the USA had a population of more than a billion people, labor in the USA would be pretty cheap too.
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You seemingly don't realize that increased cost will reduce demand AND create a market advantage to production of these items in the US.
Speaking as someone who actually makes products like this for a living including electronics that go into metal boxes, you could not be more wrong. If it reduces demand, it doesn't matter if the box is made in the US or China. The China+tariffs vs US made at the same price will not benefit US consumers. It means we are costing taxpayers a huge amount of money to support a tiny little industry with a handful of jobs. Explain to me the logic of making literally every PC purchased more expensive in order to gain a few hundred jobs in a niche industry? Tariffs are almost never a good idea and this is no exception.
Raise the price of steel to support the roughly 80k steel workers in the US and you raise the price of every car made which hurts 2 million auto workers + everyone who buys a car. You are robbing the many to benefit a few.
What all of the people complaining about the tariffs do not seem to get is that they are simply tools to get other countries to reduce THIER tariffs. Ours go away when the other side re-negotiates.
Trump and others have stated this multiple times yet it seems to elude many people.
Since they are merely negotiation tools, if there was a whiff they would hurt elections they would be gone. But they didn't seem to hurt Republicans any in the mid-terms; the reality is many voters either do not care about tariffs or see them also as simply a tool.
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Sure some people upgrade every chance they get, but those people are in the minority. Most keep their systems for at least a few years. Normally for me I upgrade when there is a big need to. I had my Laptop for 7 years before I upgrade, I keep my phone for about 4-5 years before upgrading. However for those who are on systems that really need upgrades, having to wait an extra year is just going to hurt them more.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Should be "Why US PC Builders Should Stock Up on Components Now'" the rest of us don't give a fuck. You stupid "trade" war is a prime example of someone shooting themselves in the foot. Good luck with that.
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Has been going on for a bit longer. I bought a car 15 or so years ago. I live in Belgium, next to Germany. My VW came from Mexico, not from Wolfsburg.
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The 9900K is made in the USA.
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He's certainly declared bankruptcy more often and garnered more scorn than the average person.
American citizens can hire other Americans (or even non-Americans in the US) to repair their existing hardware. Money stays in the US economy and more domestic jiobs that way.
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Only because any tariff that might otherwise be sufficient to accomplish it would only result in a domestic black market being created to meet the demand.
Incorrect. The problems with tariffs is that they are a blunt instrument and they almost always have unintended consequences. You raise prices on steel and it raises prices on everything made with steel which is a far larger industry than just the steel industry. You protect a few jobs at the cost of far more. Take an economics 101 course and you'll learn how tariffs almost invariably result in a net loss to the economy of both countries individually and collectively. They almost never actually accomplish the intended goal without substantial collateral damage to the broader economy.
>Sounds like a business opportunity to make PC cases in the US so Americans aren't 'forced' to buy Chinese shit.
A business opportunity for higher cost domestic products - maybe. The tariffs are a poorly disguised inflationary consumption tax needed to make up for the tax cuts to the corporations and wealthy.
Greed is the root of all evil.
I was hoping that there were PCs still being made in the US, but apparently not. Oh, they may be _assembling_ some, but most of the components come from overseas.
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That's what the tariffs might help do.
No they will not. No amount of tariffs are going to move more than marginal amounts of the electronics supply chains away from China. Worse even if the tariffs did cause damage to China's electronics industry they will cause MORE damage to our economy in the process and STILL will not result in those electronics being made in the US. Tariffs are a blunt instrument that invariably cause collateral far great damage to the broader economy. Seriously, this stuff is economics 101. Do not make the mistake of thinking that tariffs will result in the outcome you favor.
No. It's because I don't want to end up living in the same economic, social, and environmental squalor that 95% of chinese apparently think is a-ok.
I've actually been to China and clearly you haven't. Your idea of what China is actually like has no relationship to reality.
No, it's because China as the supply chains. A US designed GPU has to be combined with a large number of other parts to be useful, and they are all made in vast quantities in China. So either you ship them all to the US individually for assembly, or you make the GPU and assemble the card over there and ship the finished product.
Conditions in Chinese factories are actually pretty good for the most part. Demand from western manufacturers, a desire to be seen as high quality to get business from the west and the necessity of things like a clean environment and consistent quality to produce highly complex goods has improved things greatly. Of course there are still some bad ones, particularly for textiles, but the idea that it's "slave labour" that is driving China's competitiveness is a myth.
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Except that a marginal amount of the production will be repatriated and the taxes will offset some of the income taxes the feds would collect. Meanwhile, the Chinese will be at the bargaining table to work out a FAIR trade agreement.
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Local suppliers will need steel. Last I heard there are higher tariffs on that as well, because we don't make that here anymore either.
The US Steelworker's Union would beg to differ.
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So where does Taiwan sit in the component industry these days? Thinking motherboards and video cards. CPUs, the US. Memory: Korea and Japan (... and Micron here in MN). Drives: Korea, Japan, and MN again (Seagate). At first glance, stuff from Newegg you'd put together yourself seems to have more non-China sources than a lot of the other current Trade War items might. You're not getting away from it entirely, of course, but there at least are options.
Sorry but Americans care more about cheap than the conditions the products are created in. Walmart anyone?
We are a selfish and greedy society. I'll admit to being part of the problem, though I do try and buy from non mega chain stores when possible. It's hard to do now.
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These more expensive cases now come with a free 'orange man bad' sticker.
Given a choice between an American-made components and those imported from any non-free nation, my company would choose the American made products every time even at 3 times the cost. It's a matter of principals.
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Trump, that is. Any number of past Presidents, I'm certain, could have addressed the trade problems we have with China in such a way as to not wreck the U.S. economy in the process, but Trump is about as ham-fisted as anyone could be.
Gonna put that money in to pay down the debt, right? *cough*
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I know the case isn't $2000, but people blinging out on their case are not exactly price sensitive. It's not a dig - I have a nice case because I like the look, noise suppression, vibration reduction, and the serviceability. But let's be honest, it's a frivolous expense - my old stamped sheet metal case with the sharp edges was perfectly serviceable.
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I own a 48 year old German car. Repair forums always say to buy German steel parts if you can find them, even with minimal maintenance they will outlast you. If you can't find those, get North American, general maintenance and the part will last quite a while. South American parts require a bit more maintenance but not much more, usually setup and installs required a bit more finesse. Then lastly, Chinese made parts, even the expensive ones will need constant maintenance and still fail.
Take some CV joints for example, German made $60 will last about 40 years, American about $45 will last about 30 years, Chinese about $30 will last maybe 5 years (some have barely made it 10K miles before failure). So yes, the cost is more, but the quality is worth it. Especially if it is something you only want to do once or twice in your lifetime.
So unless you like changing parts regularly, stick to good steel. Now I don't know about needing a case to last this long, and a steel case is kind of heavy to be moving around all the time.
I must say though that I bought a case in early 2000 and have changed the components at least 5 times since then. The case is still in good shape and has taken everything I can throw at it. As for ports; those are extended via cables to the desk as the computer sits on the floor about 3 feet away. The only reaching down I need to to do is to turn it on. I could wire a simple switch to the desk if it really bothered me, but it doesn't.
You seemingly don't realize that this is just a tax on American citizens... There is no "American-made" alternative to most of these components, so it will serve only to raise the prices Americans are forced to pay while the countries of production don't notice a difference.
Well, so much for that tax break everyone got last year.
I've started to wonder if this wasn't some evil-genius type of plan by the Republican Party. First, give a huge tax break that mostly goes to the upper class, but make sure there's enough going to the lower and middle classes that a majority of people will support it. After that, impose new tariffs that increase prices of consumer goods. If they get all the numbers correct, the total revenue from the tariffs equals the total amount of the tax breaks, prices go up by more than the tax break for the lower and middle classes, and they've successfully transferred more money from the lower and middle classes to the upper class.
The trade gap between China and US has hit new record highs since the Trump tariffs were put in place. That's right, folks, the Trump tariffs have made things WORSE, not better! That's how incompetent Trump is!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Cases from the 90s WTF, that shit doesn't have a USB 3.0 port on the front.
A Case from the 90s may have spare drive bays, a quick search for front panel USB hub yields results that can mount directly into a 3.5 or 5.25 inch drive bay.
We don't even need hardware anymore since everything is in the cloud!
but that's not what we're doing. So far the tariffs have been a give away to the Steel industry (who donated heavily) and a rather childish middle finger to the Chinese electronics industry (which we are in no way shape or form prepared to take over even if the companies wanted to put factories here). What we have _not_ done is demand China improve environmental, safety and labor pay in order to bring their workers up to parity with US workers. Canada OTOH has done this.... to America.
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the left favors tariffs and labor protection. That said we want to do it carefully. Trade wars are _not_ easy to win.
Now, Clinton Democrats (e.g. the right wing of our party that followed Bill & Hilary into becoming Republican Lite) are happy to have open borders. Hell, Hilary got caught outright saying she wanted to eliminate the borders. It was one of the reasons she lost.
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Most of these cases are just lower quality stell sheets stamped into shape by machines and then coated. The "work" is split between operating the machines and changing the manufacturing process for each part. The first set of workers are cheap but the second set of workers are more expensive. So, make a million of these and labor cost is low, build a couple thousand and labor cost is high.
Free-range?
Good. Maybe then all those immigrants from South America will STAY in South America. Why pay for a wall when the same cost would be better spend on spending on products over there will employment and jobs will benefit them directly. Win/Win the way I see it.
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GamersNexus made a video where he took the SilverStone RL06 case which has great air-flow and limited the noise level to the BeQuiet SilentBase 601 or whatever it's called.
It achived quite a bit better CPU temp but a bit worse on GPU temp, but all in all I guess one could say better.
There's of course the possibility the noise dampening remove more annoying noise but for noise level it seem like one doesn't have to spend more money but could just spin the fans slower instead in a cheaper well ventilated case.
I haven't even bought my Noctua fan myself but they have sent me thermal paste with fan mounting thingies, AM4 and Socket 115x kits in three different packages to me free of charge. Personally I'm not sure the AIO or custom loop coolers are worth the price (or risk) but I would be fine paying even a bit extra for Noctua stuff considering the amazing customer support (and MTBF & warranty.)
You mean like China devaluing the Yuan like they're doing now?
Well, it's causing banks in China to go on a run. And, their real-estate bubble is about to pop with massive over supply and artificial scarcity by limiting how many can be on the market. There's already been conflict in the news with prices being slashed shortly after previous buyers paid full price.
In short, China is about to implode into a black hole. Question is, will the event-horizon ensnare the rest of the world?
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What if somebody lives in China, should they also be boycotting China?
In September, the Trump administration imposed the 10 percent duty, which also cover motherboards, graphics cards, and CPU coolers from the country. As a result, NZXT had to introduce a 10 percent price increase on PC cases to deal with the added costs, VP Jim Carlton told PCMag in an interview.
The items from China are taxed (tariff) 10% on the value of the material imported, not the retail price - for example, import a TV at a $100/cost from China, sell it for $250 with a warranty, support, etc. and the street cost should only go up $10, or 10% of $100 value of imported goods, not $25, or 10% of $250 value once imported.
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Exactly. They are doubling the impact of the tariff, pocketing the difference, and they get to blame Trump for it!
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First, give a huge tax break that mostly goes to the upper class, but make sure there's enough going to the lower and middle classes that a majority of people will support it.
The tax breaks are proportional to the taxes one pays - in case you weren't aware, the rich actually pay more taxes than the middle class or poor.
Fourty-seven percent pay net-zero income taxes, the top 20% pay about 80% of all federal income taxes collected. That 80% of the tax "breaks" as you refer to them is appropriate.
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Increased costs for imported goods has the possibility of opening up opportunities for domestic production.
One of the stated goals for the increased tariff on steel was for National Defense - to spur on domestic steel mills to increase production so that in times of need, there will be better access to domestic steel.
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I think the reason some people are finding it odd that you have conservatives suddenly supporting these new import taxes, while liberals are suddenly against them, is because TRUMP suggested them. He's been such a polarizing force, people will flip-flop on their ideals just to get behind the man, or to bash another one of his decisions.
If you can step away from all that nonsense for a bit and just look at the facts? I think you'll find that most libertarian, pro free-market types are as much against the tariffs as they've ever been about tariffs in general. But China has also been kind of a "worst case scenario" for America because we rely so heavily on them for things we used to manufacture here, but stopped bothering with. Under normal circumstances, you don't have to compete against a foreign government that's artificially subsidizing production of goods getting exported, to ensure they can be bought far below the cost of production. That's often what China has done, in a gambit to destroy our will to do production ourselves. This absolutely happened with the market for solar panels, and I've heard claims it happened with items as basic as roofing nails.
I really don't think it's our government's job to try to enforce other governments treating their citizens at what we deem an "acceptable standard". Chinese citizens will be the ones who have to revolt against their own government, if they want real change and better working/living conditions. So no, I don't support slapping on tariffs just to try to offset Americans getting great buys on imported products. I do, however, think you can't really have a fair global economy if the playing field isn't level thanks to a government covering losses on sales to undercut ALL competitors.
When picking which goods to apply tariffs to, instead of targeting inputs to other things (such as circuit boards and components) they should have targeted finished consumer goods, especially those where China isn't the only country that makes them.
But no, that would make all the cheap Chinese crap they sell at Walmart more expensive and given how powerful Walmart is (and how much money they likely give to politicians of all sorts via "donations") that would never fly. Better to target goods that are only imported by people who aren't powerful enough to matter to Trump and his supporters...
Allll the way down here to find the truth...sigh
Trump imposed a tax on stupidity. This tax will end when the stupidity ends. Note that Trump doesn't actually have the authority to impose tariffs, that is the purview of congress.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Welcome to how the rest of the world feels when buying products from you.
It's OK Bender, there's no such thing as 2.
it's not much of a problem because when China comes to collect their money they'll ask "Well what did you spend it all on?" and we'll just answer "Well, all these bombs".
Seriously though, gov't debt doesn't really function like household debt. Most of it (2/3rds) we "owe" to ourselves. This is the one and only thing Trump got right. Deficits don't really matter all that much. They're a boogieman of the right. Google "starve the beast" sometime. It's a trick to get you to accept education and healthcare cuts while they raid the public coffers for their cronies.
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So why buy a case when I can keep using an ancient trash case by buying *other* things to make it workable!!!
Fascinating.
I use to need to upgrade more often, but now that all the games I play are "old", I don't have much of a reason to upgrade. My biggest problem is going to be windows 7 eol but by then (maybe even today) all the games I play will run on Linux either natively or via wine so even that won't be a deal breaker.
Unless you are doing something massive, you don't need to spend more then $600 on a computer (not counting monitor, mouse, keyboard or speakers/printer).
As long as nothing burns out, I'm set for another couple of years. May have to replace the power supply but I've already upgraded the video card, ram and storage in the past two-three years and have essentially hit my mobos upgrade capacity.
In two more years who can tell what will happen.
1) Stock up on PC components.
2) PC component producers move to the US to avoid tariffs.
3) People are stocked up on PC components so they can't compete with overseas manufacturing due to lack of sales.
4) Yet another attempt by China to corrupt our economy for their own benefit succeeds.
No thanks, communist scum.
If I hadn't already commented I'd mod you up. Free-range. You Sir, win the Internetz.
Of course there are still some bad ones, particularly for textiles, but the idea that it's "slave labour" that is driving China's competitiveness is a myth.
You do remember the Foxconn suicides right? Or here's a more recent article. I'll quote:
When I look back at the photos I snapped, I can’t find one that has someone smiling in it. It does not seem like a surprise that people subjected to long hours, repetitive work and harsh management might develop psychological issues. That unease is palpable – it’s worked into the environment itself. As Xu said: “It’s not a good place for human beings.”
While I agree with Trump on virtually nothing, slapping tariffs on goods produced with subpar labor conditions is EXACTLY the purpose of a tariff. As far as other sources, you could always manufacture in Dresden Germany which produces AMD microprocessors and shouldn't be affected by said tariff which would encourage investment in a country that shares our values and ideals.
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when did we stop stocking up ? its called overhead which translates to $.
Well, if you have a story about tariffs lowering prices I would encourage you to submit it.
Everyone here seems to assume Chinese companies will play by our rules. They are already experts at dodging tariffs on oil, honey, steel, and cars â" what makes anyone think PC cases are going to finally stump them? All they do is ship them somewhere else first and voila â" those PC cases were made somewhere not subject to tarrifs. If the lie is discovered and the company is banned, then a new company pops up to take its place, buys all the inventory from the first company, and the charade continues.
Tarrifs are a joke.
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I haven't forgotten, in fact Foxconn is an example of what I was talking about. Apple and other companies that outsource their manufacturing to Foxconn demanded improvements, and got them. Publicity like that forced them to improve.
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I wonder how much older you are than me. I'm 36 and I don't want to use a beige InWin case, OK?
As someone who has built his own PC's for many years I can also attest to the fact that most of us probably have 2 or 3 extra boxes just lying around not being used. If I REALLY want to build a rig, and I was REALLY put off by case prices, I'd probably just re-use an old one. It isn't like they really wear out or anything (sure you might have to replace a fan or something for a few bucks). The only reason to buy a new case really is if you really want something shiny or a different size, or something new and shiny :).
Really the only reason I haven't done a new build (my current one is getting a bit old in the tooth at probably 5+ years old) is:
A) It still does what I need it to do, and can still play the games I want to play (at least for now).
B) The prices of video cards have been stupid since the whole bitcoin craze started.
So tariffs aside, I'm more waiting until my rig can't handle the next big game I want to play, or all the bitcoin folks finally loose their shirts and the bitcoin miners all go out of business. Whichever comes first really. Trying to save 10% by hoarding components seems a terrible idea.