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Samsung's Upcoming Galaxy S Phone Will Sport Six Cameras and Support 5G, Report Says (wsj.com)
Samsung is planning a major upgrade for its 10th anniversary flagship phones next year, including next-generation 5G network speeds, bigger screens and more cameras, The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday, citing people familiar with the matter. From the report: Samsung, the world's largest smartphone maker by volume, is preparing three versions of its next flagship Galaxy S10 smartphone, with displays that range in size from 5.8 inches to 6.4 inches, the people said, versus two variants in previous years. Those three phones are set to debut in February next year, they added. In addition, the South Korean technology giant is developing a fourth variant of the Galaxy S10 that will be 5G-enabled and is internally code-named "Beyond X," [Editor's note: the link may be paywalled; alternative source] some of these people said.
The 5G phone, slated for a spring release in the U.S. and South Korea, would sport an even larger screen, measuring 6.7 inches diagonally, and pack in a whopping six cameras -- two in the front and four in the back, these people said, which promise richer photos and better spatial perception.
The 5G phone, slated for a spring release in the U.S. and South Korea, would sport an even larger screen, measuring 6.7 inches diagonally, and pack in a whopping six cameras -- two in the front and four in the back, these people said, which promise richer photos and better spatial perception.
What's 5G? It's made from hyperventilium on the planet marketingbull.
And 6 cameras sounds good until someone does 7 minute abs.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Curved screens don't make sense in the real world. There's a blue line on each edge of the screen. I've already broken 2 screen protectors. I can't even find cases that protect the edge of the screen from drops. And we don't need a whole bunch of crappy cameras, just one good one.
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The new Samsung Bixby(TM) artificial intelligence processes all six images then finds the one of them that doesn't have your fat fingers covering the lens. Then through a generative adversarial quantum neural net filter is learns to reconstruct the missing data in the photos containing your finger.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Holy hell, fuck it, we're going to six cameras.
Why the ever loving hell would I want a phone with 6 bloody cameras?
Is this innovation now? Just keep slapping in cameras? Why?
Please, allow me, gentlepeople:
https://xkcd.com/1889/
bigger screens and more cameras
This sounds like a minor upgrade to me. Unless they have somehow put a bigger screen in the same space, that's been done already.
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but will it have 4K screen?
How many cameras do you actually want or need? for me, 2 seems to be more than enough.
5G support will be good, with actual "unlimited" caps on wireless accounts.
Otherwise it's just a faster way to start throttling or blocking data. A couple videos and a hour or so of netflix is probably enough to burn through most carriers monthly "unlimited" bandwidth. We've already seen 4 wireless carriers throttling netflix and other services.
How long until we have more camera on our phones than a fly???
And we don't need a whole bunch of crappy cameras, just one good one.
1) The cameras in modern phones are pretty good. Adding additional ones won't make them worse.
2) Having multiple cameras actually makes them better because you can do all sorts of cool computational photography which can get great results without huge optics.
3) Having multiple lenses means you can have multiple focal lengths. Many phones already have two.
4) If cost is an issue I'm sure there will me phones with fewer cameras that you can buy for less money.
In an attempt to be innovative, companies start adding rubbish to the phone. I understand one camera, take photos and selfies. I understand two cameras one for photos and one pointing towards yourself to see yourself while creating a selfie (true selfies are stupid, as they are used to show "look I am happy at $LOCATION" even if that is not true. However, the issue with selfies have to be discussed at another time. And yes, I do them myself. So I am a hypocrite.). The use of three cameras is already strange for many reasons, but let say you need 3D images, then two cameras might be helpful. And if you want to have a 3D selfie 4 might be useful. As you can see the "usefulness" is declining. Now for what purpose could you really want to have 6 of them?
Instead do something about the freaking battery issue. Make them replaceable. Make them last longer. Yes, that might be not good for your "business plan" to sell more phones. Fortunately, I do not need to buy your phone with no extra value. Samsung and Apple and the others have to face it that there is peek smartphone and we are moving from "new hype product" to commodity, like with household appliances. You buy a microwave and then use it for decades.
They keep adding more and more, new features are just the same old thing but more of it, they're getting more expensive, and performing the exact same as they ever have done (or, objectively, slightly worse for the overcomplication of them).
How many cameras do you actually want or need? for me, 2 seems to be more than enough.
If you want better pictures without having the sort of gigantic optics you see on an SLR, the answer is "more than 2". Having a lot of cameras allows you to do some pretty nifty computational photography. Many phones are already doing this since they have two cameras on the rear which work together to get better images than either could alone.
Sorry, Samsung, you better up your game if you want sales.
(heaven forbid there's a two-camera phone with a decent swappable battery and a well-integrated SD card).
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The use of three cameras is already strange for many reasons, but let say you need 3D images, then two cameras might be helpful.
The main purpose of multiple sensors isn't 3D but to do computational photography. It allows you to get better quality images as well as have multiple focal lengths and have them work together. If you have an iPhone it already does this with two cameras working in tandem on the back. But more camera sensors let's you take it even further. There are camera available which are designed around this idea explicitly with as many as 16 individual camera sensors. This appears to be the best way to get better image quality without having to attach bulky optics like those on an SLR camera.
Once again, the so-called tech visionaries have been proven wrong:
Five cameras ought to be enough for anybody.
--Bill Gates, 1992
https://xkcd.com/2000/
If the past has taught us nothing, the 1st gen phones touting "5G" will not be real 5G. It will either be some draft proposal, or cell carrier hyped up mod of LTE4G. Same with the carriers touting HSPA+ as "4G" back in the day. Not to mention new gen radio chips tend to be super power hungry. Give it a year or so for the dust to settle, find out who's not selling some scam "5G" and for a revision or two of the radio chipsets which won't be as power hungry.
The 5G phone, slated for a spring release in the U.S. and South Korea, would sport an even larger screen, measuring 6.7 inches diagonally, and pack in a whopping six cameras
I never thought I would see the day I could have a cell phone with more cameras than Gs!!
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If they can waste that much space in the phone that must mean that they have solved the problem of putting a replaceable battery in, put the charging port in a hard-to-destroy place and use enough solder to keep it in place (after all, a blob of solder needs WAY less space than 6 cameras, any sensible manufacturer would first get the important bits done before pondering what to waste the spare space on) and retain the headphone jack, along with adding a few more plugs for SD-Cards and USB devices to attach, so I can charge it and use it at the same time, right?
RIGHT????
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
The part that always wears out resulting in me needing a new phone is the power input jack.
Give me 6 of those & ill be excited.
6 cameras does nothing for me, i rarely if ever use the 2 that i have.
Got space for 6 cameras?
Then don't give me shit about having no room for SD cards or headphone sockets.
Are companies now being ranked in terms of volume of phones shipped? How many cubic metres of phones did they ship in 2017?
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...we're doing five blades.
How about Samsung actually adds a significant feature, like an unlockable bootloader? There are still people who use firewalls to guard privacy, and use rooted applications.
More work on Linux-On-Galaxy would be nice as well. This way, the phone can be used for other stuff, similar to how the Motorola Atrix could get a decent Linux distro on it for use in a pinch.
Of course, virtualization would be nice, to separate work and home environments completely.
No room for a headphone jack but we do for 6 cameras!?!?
Gimme one good camera in a phone that will last 2+ days with all the radios on and not shatter when it falls out of my hand.
Instead we get this shit!
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The better to see you with...
Pearls before swine. 99.9% of mobile phone photos are taken and never viewed again.
Get off your high horse. Most photos taken with film were stuck in albums or boxes and never viewed again. That's nothing new and it used to be a lot more expensive. But what's wrong with making it possible to take better pictures for the ones that are kept and looked at?
People spend too much time taking photos, not enough time enjoying the world around them.
For some of us, taking pictures is how we enjoy the world around us. If it's not your brand of vodka that's fine but I'm pretty sure you have hobbies that I would consider a waste of time too. Go do something you enjoy and stop worrying about what other people are doing.
Given a certain price-target, the more you, as an OEM, spend on cameras, the less you have to spend of the entire rest of the product.
That's true for every component so I'm not sure what your point is. Furthermore the cost of digital components is continually falling. I'm pretty sure the engineers and bean counters at Samsung are aware of this "issue".
In essence you can do things, like a panorama, in one shot without the need to move your phone.
Its a LOT more than that. You can take multiple pictures simultaneously of the same object and digitally combine them into a better image. It lets you do things that would normally take some really expensive and bulky glass. In fact it lets you do some stuff you cannot do (easily) with conventional cameras. Computational photography is a BIG deal and it's really interesting if you have any interest in imaging technology.
I would rather go for a real camera.
It IS a "real" camera. I don't get why people look down their nose at the camera's on phones. And I say that as someone who has about $20K in camera bodies and expensive lenses. People are too wrapped up in thinking that a classic SLR is the end-all-be-all of camera technology and it isn't. A lot of the most interesting stuff happening in cameras is technology you probably aren't paying much attention to in phones.
Anyway, I still would trade more battery life over another camera.
And others would make a different choice. Personally that's why I think they need to move some of this stuff to the case so that people can pick/choose the bits that are most useful to them.
The Pixel 3 currently has the best camera of any phone, and it only has one.
That depends on what you are measuring and how you are measuring it. There is no single answer to which camera is best for all uses, conditions, and circumstances. Saying the Pixel 3 has "the best camera" is a false statement unless you provide the use case and measurement technique. Other smartphone cameras will outperform it depending on the conditions and what is being photographed. I have a very nice Sony A9 mirrorless camera. It's arguably the best available currently for many use cases but not for all uses. It depends on the sort of image you are trying to generate and the conditions and skill of the user. There is no single best camera for all uses.
So more accurately you could say that there are multiple ways to improve the quality of photos taken on a phone, and most manufacturers seem to be opting for the multiple camera solution.
Correct because the multiple camera solution has a lot going for it. It's a good idea for the same reasons people use interchangeable lens cameras. No single lens is ideal for all circumstances and there is a LOT to be gained from being able to combine multiple images taken from multiple focal lengths simultaneously.
Just sayin'.
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This is starting to sound like the razor wars from a while back. Every year it seemed the major razor companies would release a razor with one more blade than the year before. I think they finally stopped at six, realizing how ridiculous it all was. This is not that far off.
... so my personal info can be quickly scraped and I can get some CPU cycles to play Farmville.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Finally some much needed feature. I hear Elon on the other hand is still dragging his feet concerning the new Flagship Tesla with six wheels everybody is waiting for.
What you really want is the new Snapdragon XRi. With eleven cameras built-in, it truly goes up to 11. Imagine being the envy of all your friends...
You can get pictures of yourself. Pictures of your friends. Pictures of that scary guy looking at you from behind. Pictures below you. Pictures above you. Pictures so you can watch yourself walk and make adjustments to really get your groove on. You will have so many fucking pictures you will need 2 Dropbox accounts just to keep your Camera uploads manageable.
Eleven. Cameras.
Is there anything better?
How often are you going to use it? It makes the thing more expensive
Personally? I use my phone camera constantly and to good effect and so do millions of other people. I very much would welcome any improvements in camera quality on my phone and I'm certain I'm not alone in that. Just because you don't see the use case for you doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I don't use Facebook but I get why other people do.
Most of the time my big fancy mirrorless dedicated camera is WAY too bulky to carry around as well as redundant. The improved image quality it is capable of is more than offset 99% of the time by the inconvenience, bulk, and weight. Smartphone cameras have literally killed the point-and-shoot camera market so obviously for a lot of uses they are more than good enough. The only reason my expensive interchangeable lens camera still makes any sense is that it can do some tricks that no smartphone is going to be able to manage thanks to the physics of optics. But you generally have to be either a professional or hard core photo enthusiast to really give a shit. 99% of people are going to be just fine with just a phone and the better it performs the more it will capture that remaining 1%
Basically I have my phone with me almost all the time. My dedicated camera I might get out a few times a week at most for a few hours. The best camera is the one you have with you and the better my smartphone camera gets the less reason I have to go to the trouble of dealing with a dedicated camera. I don't carry around a dedicated iPod or a watch anymore either for similar reasons.
There might be people who desperately need that feature.
It's not about need. It's about want versus what's economically possible. Nobody "needs" a smartphone in general but clearly a lot of people find a lot of value in them and have the means to afford an expensive one. (see Apple)
Anyway, it will be up to the people to choose between better images and keeping their money.
Always has been and to date the people have voted for the better images.
Apple's latest top-of-the-line iPhone is not experiencing the sales frenzy that prior models enjoyed. Lackadaisical sales seems to be affecting their stock price. Admittedly, both of these can be short-term events or rationalized by pointing to "market conditions". However, an over-the-top approach like Samsung is suggesting seems like a bad idea.
The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.
I have an S8+, and I knew it was notorious for breaking easy. Even with a case, it fell out of my pocket while changing my car oil, and broke from a 2" fall. I won't buy another Samsung phone until reviews say that's been solved :P
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Greed is the root of all evil.
I'd been saying to myself - if there's one thing that'll make me buy a phone, it's six cameras. And a notch - or even better, two notches. And no headphones. Or SD card slot.
Man, that'd be the ideal phone.
Sure, we could go to five cameras next, like the competition. That seems like the logical thing to do. After all, four worked out pretty well, and five is the next number after four. So let's play it safe. Why innovate when we can follow? Oh, I know why: Because we're a business, that's why!
You think it's crazy? It is crazy. But I don't give a shit. From now on, we're the ones who have the edge in the multi-camera game.
As expected from Samsung, a company that is slated to re-igniting the market.
It's all about the marketing. First phone with XXX megapixels. First phone with six cameras. . It's like having 60 million Pixels in your pocket (showing a picture of Google's phone).
... is a camera with a robust case, and a lot of battery.
And not made out of that greased teflon stuff that Samsung uses, so the phone almost literally leaps out of your hand while you're trying to use it.
"Paper-thin" is not a feature I'm interested in.
My current phone, and previous phone, were Samsun Galaxy S phones, and my next one likely will be, too. But the first thing I do, before even opening the box, is buy a Seidio case for it.
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Would someone tell me how this happened? We were the fucking vanguard of shaving in this country. The Gillette Mach3 was the razor to own. Then the other guy came out with a three-blade razor. Were we scared? Hell, no. Because we hit back with a little thing called the Mach3Turbo. That's three blades and an aloe strip. For moisture. But you know what happened next? Shut up, I'm telling you what happenedâ"the bastards went to four blades. Now we're standing around with our cocks in our hands, selling three blades and a strip. Moisture or no, suddenly we're the chumps. Well, fuck it. We're going to five blades.
Sure, we could go to four blades next, like the competition. That seems like the logical thing to do. After all, three worked out pretty well, and four is the next number after three. So let's play it safe. Let's make a thicker aloe strip and call it the Mach3SuperTurbo. Why innovate when we can follow? Oh, I know why: Because we're a business, that's why!
You think it's crazy? It is crazy. But I don't give a shit. From now on, we're the ones who have the edge in the multi-blade game. Are they the best a man can get? Fuck, no. Gillette is the best a man can get.
What part of this don't you understand? If two blades is good, and three blades is better, obviously five blades would make us the best fucking razor that ever existed. Comprende? We didn't claw our way to the top of the razor game by clinging to the two-blade industry standard. We got here by taking chances. Well, five blades is the biggest chance of all.
Here's the report from Engineering. Someone put it in the bathroom: I want to wipe my ass with it. They don't tell me what to inventâ"I tell them. And I'm telling them to stick two more blades in there. I don't care how. Make the blades so thin they're invisible. Put some on the handle. I don't care if they have to cram the fifth blade in perpendicular to the other four, just do it!
You're taking the "safety" part of "safety razor" too literally, grandma. Cut the strings and soar. Let's hit it. Let's roll. This is our chance to make razor history. Let's dream big. All you have to do is say that five blades can happen, and it will happen. If you aren't on board, then fuck you. And if you're on the board, then fuck you and your father. Hey, if I'm the only one who'll take risks, I'm sure as hell happy to hog all the glory when the five-blade razor becomes the shaving tool for the U.S. of "this is how we shave now" A.
People said we couldn't go to three. It'll cost a fortune to manufacture, they said. Well, we did it. Now some egghead in a lab is screaming "Five's crazy?" Well, perhaps he'd be more comfortable in the labs at Norelco, working on fucking electrics. Rotary blades, my white ass!
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we should just ride in Bic's wake and make pens. Ha! Not on your fucking life! The day I shadow a penny-ante outfit like Bic is the day I leave the razor game for good, and that won't happen until the day I die!
The market? Listen, we make the market. All we have to do is put her out there with a little jingle. It's as easy as, "Hey, shaving with anything less than five blades is like scraping your beard off with a dull hatchet." Or "You'll be so smooth, I could snort lines off of your chin." Try "Your neck is going to be so friggin' soft, someone's gonna walk up and tie a goddamn Cub Scout kerchief under it."
I know what you're thinking now: What'll people say? Mew mew mew. Oh, no, what will people say?! Grow the fuck up. When you're on top, people talk. That's the price you pay for being on top. Which Gillette is, always has been, and forever shall be, Amen, five blades, sweet Jesus in heaven.
Stop. I just had a stroke of genius. Are you ready? Open your mouth, baby birds, cause Mama's about to drop you one sweet, fat nightcrawler. Here she comes: Put another aloe strip on that fucker, too. That's right. Five blades, two strips, and make the second one lather. You heard meâ"the second strip lathers. It's a whole new way to think about shaving. Don't question it. Don't say a word. Just key the music, and call the chorus girls, because we're on the edgeâ"the razor's edgeâ"and I feel like dancing.
It works like on day one, given that I have it running on its third set of inexpensive 3rd-party batteries.
Sure, it's already too big to be used as a mobile phone, but it works fine as a small tablet at home.
I'm still waiting for one of these companies like Seek Thermal to start getting their little uncooled LWIR sensors packaged into a cellphone. So many potential uses!
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Computational photography while interesting isn't the panacea that people think it is.
I don't think anyone is claiming it to be the cure to all maladies - certainly not me. But it isn't really a question that it can do a lot of very interesting and useful things and do so in a compact form factor. As such there is a lot of utility in that. At some level of course there is no replacement for bigger/better optics but you can get pretty far along the diminishing returns curve without needing what amounts to a hand held telescope.
Honestly I think most of the really interesting stuff going on in photography is in the computational photography space and the devices (mostly smartphones) that are making heavy use of it. Smartphones really can't use bulky glass so they have to innovate in other ways and I think that restriction has freed them in a lot of ways. The "traditional" cameras (think Canon, Nikon, Sony, etc interchangeable lens cameras) have some really great lenses and sensors but the ergonomics, digital user interfaces and on device image processing have lost the fucking plot. There are more than a few types of images using my smartphone that I can get easier and sometimes better results without a huge amount of faffing around and it is FAR easier to share and distribute. I haven't seen a dedicated "real" camera yet that isn't complete shit at transferring images off the camera to other devices or networks (much less social networking) - they still think of SD cards as bleeding edge technology instead of the miniaturized anachronistic floppy disks they really are. I think the "real" cameras could use a lot more of the computational photography tech but they're too busy catering to enthusiasts who get a hard on thinking about film cameras from the 1970s or "pros" who have a far too rigid idea about what a camera is supposed to be and how it should work.
Don't get me wrong, I have a fancy "real" camera with some embarrassingly expensive lenses and I enjoy using it. I definitely could be described as a photography enthusiast. But it's migraine inducing clear to me that it could be SOOOO much better than it is with some attention to the user interface and file sharing and image processing. The menu on my Sony is complete shit. Seriously it will make your eyes bleed. The location of most of the buttons seems to have been picked by someone wearing a blindfold. Sending an image to my smartphone should be a single button press at most (maybe even automatic transfer) but I have to jump through a ridiculously complicated process to make it happen via wifi - seriously it involves about 10 discrete steps. My camera has an ethernet port but the only thing I can do with it is ftp files! WTF? And it's not even particularly easy to set up or configure. I can't make settings presets or share them between cameras. I don't have complaints about the optics but I could see so much more that could be done in camera for image processing and cooperating with laptops/tablets. Sure I can get better image quality than I can with my smartphone if I care to bother but they've made it such a pain in the ass that I can see why most people won't bother - especially given the overhead of carrying around a bulky expensive single purpose camera.
The funny thing is, if you're shooting with an SLR at f5 or something getting nice bokeh and you decide to take a selfie, you probably go to f22 to get the background.
There is a lot more to image quality than the aperture. Those big lenses aren't just about letting in a lot of light. They correct for all sorts of optical problems. If aperture were the only concern, photography and lens design would be a lot easier than it is.
And there are lots of reasons you might want a blurred background in a selfie. Many selfies are more about the person in the shot than the location where they are. When I take one with my daughter the point is usually to show us together - not to show where we are. Sure, sometimes it's about the location but not always.