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AI Mistakes Ad On a Bus For an Actual CEO, Then Publicly Shames Them For 'Jaywalking' (scmp.com)
An anonymous reader quotes the South China Morning Post:
Since last year, many Chinese cities have cracked down on jaywalking by investing in facial recognition systems and AI-powered surveillance cameras. Jaywalkers are identified and shamed by displaying their photographs on large public screens... Developments are also underway to engage the country's mobile network operators and social media platforms, such as Tencent Holdings' WeChat and Sina Weibo, to establish a system in which offenders will receive personal text messages as soon as they are caught violating traffic rules....
Making a compelling case for change is the recent experience of Dong Mingzhu, chairwoman of China's biggest maker of air conditioners Gree Electric Appliances, who found her face splashed on a huge screen erected along a street in the port city of Ningbo... That artificial intelligence-backed surveillance system, however, erred in capturing Dong's image on Wednesday from an advertisement on the side of a moving bus. The traffic police in Ningbo, a city in the eastern coastal province of Zhejiang, were quick to recognise the mistake, writing in a post on microblog Sina Weibo on Wednesday that it had deleted the snapshot. It also said the surveillance system would be completely upgraded to cut incidents of false recognition in future.
The article says the mistakenly-accused CEO's company later thanked the traffic police for their hard work, and "called on people to obey traffic rules to keep the streets safe."
"The Chinese government is currently working to combine the operations of more than 170 million public security cameras to strengthen its surveillance network's ability to track and monitor the country's 1.4 billion citizens. Research firm IHS Markit has estimated that the number of surveillance cameras in China could reach 450 million by 2020."
Making a compelling case for change is the recent experience of Dong Mingzhu, chairwoman of China's biggest maker of air conditioners Gree Electric Appliances, who found her face splashed on a huge screen erected along a street in the port city of Ningbo... That artificial intelligence-backed surveillance system, however, erred in capturing Dong's image on Wednesday from an advertisement on the side of a moving bus. The traffic police in Ningbo, a city in the eastern coastal province of Zhejiang, were quick to recognise the mistake, writing in a post on microblog Sina Weibo on Wednesday that it had deleted the snapshot. It also said the surveillance system would be completely upgraded to cut incidents of false recognition in future.
The article says the mistakenly-accused CEO's company later thanked the traffic police for their hard work, and "called on people to obey traffic rules to keep the streets safe."
"The Chinese government is currently working to combine the operations of more than 170 million public security cameras to strengthen its surveillance network's ability to track and monitor the country's 1.4 billion citizens. Research firm IHS Markit has estimated that the number of surveillance cameras in China could reach 450 million by 2020."
The article says the mistakenly-accused CEO's company later thanked the traffic police for their hard work, and "called on people to obey traffic rules to keep the streets safe."
And all along I thought we couldn't have it both ways.
be held to the same standards?
Cause your going to publicly chew out petty public officials for their half arse algorithms in China, are you? We've all been worried about 1984, when we should have been worried about Brazil.
Let's see what the AI does with this.
Table-ized A.I.
Right now there is one camera for every ten citizens.
I was in Shanghai last month, and I saw a camera about every 100m or so. That might have been one for every 10 pedestrians on the street, but no where near one for every 10 people in the city.
Anyway, I always though that China dealt with jaywalkers by making it legal for motorists to run over them. Even in a marked cross walk, you are often risking your life in Shanghai traffic.
Why do you make things up and present them as if facts?
Ooops! Funny fail
In Europe we simply call it crossing the road, there's not even a word for it in the languages I know. Why do americans and chinese criminalise jaywalking ? WTF do they think is wrong with simply crossing a road when no cars are present ? I don't get it.
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I think it was intended as a joke. Really, though, Shanghai drivers follow rules of the road pretty well, if not as well as in the US. Certainly better than many other East Asian nations (not a high standard, but still).
You'd think the AI would have figured out no one has a 5-foot-tall head?
If it's that primitive, what's to stop Chinese citizens to walk around with photographs of Mao Zedong hanging in front of their faces? It might be amusing to see the reputation score of the late, great Chairman sinking into the toilet.
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He doesn't get the luxury of making shit up, pretending it's a plausible fact, presenting it as a plausible fact, and then when it's obviously ridiculous to even the casual reader having someone assume it was humor.
If you read his history you can see why he no longer gets that plausible deniability anymore. He's been caught too many times just making shit up from pure scratch.
And presenting it as fact. There's zero evidence of any joke here. Jokes are funny.
We should sell t shirts and jackets with Xi's face on them. Even better provide a printing service for photos on clothing so people can select their enemies as age for the shirts.
Hell, at the rate we're going 'Brazil' might actually take place in... wait for it... Brazil! (Also everywhere else, but it is particularly ironic if it comes to roost in the land of its namesake.)
The tele-screen of '1984' is only steps away given modern smart TVs, and if you look at prescription drugs we already have many facets of 'A Brave New World' working their way into common society. If we continue treating billionaires, sports figures, politicians, and corporate leaders as gods we will have similar to the leadership in it as well, but based only on a certain perverted metric of meritocracy.
but I say, let them kill themselves in the bloodbath that is sure to ensue, ensnare, extinguish.
Dude, for the Heaven's sake, please, please, PLEASE seek medical help.
You seem to misunderstand what 'plausible fact' is. It doesn't sound very plausible that killing other civilians within your own country would ever be permitted anywhere. Instead it sounds like hyperbole, which is exactly what it is.
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That's c6gummer impersonating APK, just FYI there's no point feeding that nazi idiot.
" It doesn't sound very plausible that killing other civilians within your own country would ever be permitted anywhere." -Are you trolling? Never heard of castle doctrine, for just a single example? Dozens of ways.
That's a very odd nit for you to try to pick in defense of his bullshit.
You also failed to review his comment history for examples of bullshit presented as fact, because either you're on his balls for real or you're too lazy to even pretend to have a look. He probably has never been to Shanghai.
Go on, moisten his attention seeking tiny penis with your implausible outrage. Continue.
Next up, every action hero has a warrant out for their arrest in China.
Nah that's California and Florida, where cars can run a red light (and pedestrians) if they are turning right.
Maybe he wants to be president some day...
Besides, why the fuck do you care? A guy can write what he wants... Freedom baby!
Facial recognition to confirm an identity, or pick one out of small sample is commonplace. But to be able to identify a face and pick out one in a billion people is way beyond software ability. It is also way beyond human capability. In a billion people, there will be thousands that look almost identical.
For the facial recognition to work, it needs to know who is nearby. Not difficult when everyone carries a mobile phone. But it is unlikely that the CEO was on the bus.
For things like passport control into Australia, the system has people stand in an exact spot, with good lighting, and look at a particular point. Quite different from a random image from people walking on a road.
If they did have some magic software that really could pick out one in a billion, then it would not be fooled by a bus!
That said, the Chinese internal surveillance system is very frightening.
No Chinese would dream of that. Probably would not send them in jail, but would get the marked down badly in social credit. And maybe a fine. Certainly expulsion from the Communist party if a member.
China is not a joke. That is why people self-censor very carefully. The risks and penalties are everywhere.
Where, when the state causes you harm you have to thank them or find yourself checking in your "organ donor card" early.
Don't support, buy from, sell to, or tolerate China.
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
What China needs is compulsory body cams for all citizens, not only the police.
On the one hand, this is some hilarious 1984 nonsense by the Chinese government.
On the other hand, the Chinese public is so terrible that I can understand why this was attempted, even though it won't solve anything.
Thats a horrible error since it completely ignored the more serious charge of stealing a bus.
Try to find a politician who's not a lobbyist. For some corporation whose actions (as opposed to statements, and only looking at the numbers of given to vs taken from you) show that it is your direct enemy.
Which, if you look at the original laws and their spirit, is literally treason. A crime, so bad, you get 20 years in prison for it. But because it's "normal"... casually done every day.
In the USA, it's the same thing. (And where I live, mostly too.)
How there's still anyone out there, oblivious to this, is fascinating.
(Although I can understand how I might be too much for some people, to accept.)
Please don't spread the meme that there's a difference.
Because that enables the hate against "the government", when "the government", in an actual democratic state, by definition must mean the people on *your* side. And hating those would make no sense. So since corporations are factually the government, the only answer is, that it's not a democracy.
Jesus christ, use an account and people can't impersonate you, genius.
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Come to Germany. Then you'll see well-trained drivers following the rules.
It's kinda our thing though. We follow rules, period, even if it means death or genocide. Try going across a street with a red pedestrian light, with no cars for miles, but with some people seeing you, and you'll know what I man. We don't give a single shit about the actual right and wrong. All that matters is... rules, rules, above everything.
At least we get no speed limits on (a large part of) the Autobahn (=highways).
The history is, as so often, really fucked-up:
Why Jaywalking Is A Crime -- Adam Ruins Everything
People have been telling him to seek help for decades. You're wasting your breath. Peter thinks he's the only sane one here.
being a big CEO, she was lucky to get her picture removed quickly by the police.
i wonder how much success the average chinese person would have in a case like this.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
So the politically correct get an exemption from shaming.
Our hero is in China promoting his new movie and his face is plastered on buses all over China, his social score drops so low the authorities go looking for him and he has to don a disguise and go into hiding.
Sound stupid? Of course, it’s a Will Smith action movie, it will be great!
I was in Shanghai last month, and I saw a camera about every 100m or so. That might have been one for every 10 pedestrians on the street, but no where near one for every 10 people in the city.
Yup, those were the cameras you saw. You might also ponder whether the biggest city in the world is a representative sample. (And that's not even counting all the smart phones.)
But the important thing is to keep saying positive things about China and it's government, assuming you wan't to keep visiting. You know they're reading your posts, and you know they know who you are.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Also, since China still has a pretty large problem with official corruption and someone in an office was able to fix this with a few clicks of a mouse, it's only a matter of time before black market social credit buffing becomes a reality.
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Wow. This is honestly the most amusing and entertaining thing I've ever seen on slashdot and I've just looked at the website in passing for I don't know how many years. This is the kind of thing I've would've posted, even with the caps, to try and justify to myself that I'm as good as I think I am back when I really started to look at the internet in the '99-02 era.
I mean, damn, you took time out to think this up. Props.
If all you have to say is "Is this more like Nineteen-Eightyfour, Brave New World and/or Black Mirror?", then maybe say nothing.
> The salvation of the world depends only on the individual whose world it is. At least, every individual must act as if the whole future of the world, of humanity itself, depends on him. Anything less is a shirking of responsibility and is itself a dehumanizing force, for anything less encourages the individual to look upon himself as a mere actor in a drama written by anonymous agents, as less than a whole person, and that is the beginning of passivity and aimlessness.
-- Joseph Weizenbaum
As Jacob Appelbaum's father allegedly said to him, "if there's another Holocaust it'll be your fault, because you didn't prevent it".
You can roll your eyes and make faces all you want, virtue signallign this, smug superiority that, we all know the drill. But that doesn't remove you the wrong side of history, it just means you're on the wrong side of history and making faces.
Stop eating popcorn, start helping to pump out the stomaches of people who just sit there eating popcorn.
Life is getting harder globally so we are all collectively finding someone to blame.
We see this with Brexit, Donald Trump, Increased Chinese hunting of subversives, rise in support for terrorism, racism, and nationalism...
We are not looking to ourselves to say to yourself "What am I, doing that are making things worse, which I can fix." We are looking at others say "They the others are making things worse" and actively try to make their lives more difficult. While they see you making their lives difficult and equate you the "other" is the cause of all the problems.
This creates a viscous cycle, that makes things worse, because everyone is blaming everyone else for their troubles, and making the others lives more difficult.
The only solution now takes a lot more energy and effort is to be introspective and actively try to break the cycle.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
The article says there are 170 million surveillance cameras for 1.4 billion people. That's about 1 camera for every 8.2 people.
Further, it says there could be up to 450 million cameras by 2020. Keeping the population the same, that's 1 camera for every 3.1 people.
For a comparison, using Wikipedia, the UK has about 4.2 million cameras (500,000 in London), about 1 for every 14 people:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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This really depends on the US city. Take San Antonio. I wind up there on occasion for crazy-busy conventions downtown. I was surprised because people actually stop at crosswalks, street corners were for people crossing, nobody tried to play Frogger, even when the sidewalks were packed, and when a light turned yellow, people stopped. Even the people on the Bird/Limebike/Uber scooters obeyed traffic laws.
Now, take Austin, 88 miles north. Pedestrians -have- to jaywalk, because cars don't stop at lights, and 90% of all car/ped or car/bike collisions turn into hit and runs. So, you get a choice between trying to guess which of four directions are cars coming to hit you, or you cross in the middle of the street where you just have to watch two directions. Of course, add in the scooters which will be on the sidewalk, roads, anywhere. Oh, don't forget the bums in-your-face panhandling at every street corner, and the whole downtown area smelling like piss and K2.
Even in Berkeley, cars actually stop at pedestrian intersections.
It really depends on the US region about how people follow traffic laws or not.
death race 2020!
Just wait for self driving car to make errors like this
Everything about the modern world is a proof against itself. The CEO is being critiqued for jaywalking, when the actual danger of putting advertisements literally on the streets is a much bigger distraction than one or two pedestrians crossing illegally.
One is wrong even though it saves time (and time is money), the other is OK because it provides some offset vs the cost of running public transportation.
I know this sounds fucking horrible, but in someways I'm glad this dystopian future is coming to fruition somewhere so we can all collectively go "Fuck no!"
Yes, I know credit scores are some weird form of the social score. I'm as of yet not been denied the purchase of a plane ticket and/or bus pass because my credit score is too low...
I can only hope this is a good demonstration of tech gone awry that the world recoils from. Otherwise, I will seriously have to hollow out a hill and become a hermit... Or become a camera smashing vigiante... either way I'm sure it'll seriously impact my social score.
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
Just wait for self driving car to make errors like this
And do what, stop before it hits the side of a bus?
did an episode on it.
TL;DR; car companies wanted to take over the roads so they created the term and tied it to a disliked minority to give it a bad connotation. At least that's how it went down in America.
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in China where everyone looks alike?
SHUT THE FUCK UP you stupid yank piece of shit.
I can't actually believe what a boot-licking, cock-sucking worthless sack of shit you actually are.
No this can't be real, there can't be people like you in existence, and if there are you are yours need to be rounded up and gassed.
Holy fucking shit.
As usual ameriCUCKS are SO FUCKING STUPID, they just go along with it, AND call it freedom.
This is the level of stupid that we have to make sure is fixed before we start handing these systems access to anything that would be considered a critical system.
( Banking, Stock Markets, Healthcare, Military applications, etc )
Otherwise some future AI is going to be perusing cat pictures on the internet, go f****ng nuts and decide to end us all. :D
The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of the class struggle.
So the headline could have been: Chinese Government Wrongly Shows Image of a CEO on a Giant Electronic Billboard?
In either case, it's a good thing the headline used her job title, rather than her name.
Only in an Asian nation would publicly shaming someone work. In a western culture someone would just wave smile and go their merry way. Or even better they would be a corporate 'influencer' and make an extra $ off the exposure. Look at me ! I'm on TV.
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
This is a good thing for western businesses; just when it seems like China has figured out how to embrace creative endeavors, they have created a system to destroy people, and their children, who don't fit the status quo with the "social credit score" there by punishing those who operate outside the box. And the people who operate outside the box are also the ones who are the visionaries who drive development.
Thanks China, western countries still have nothing to fear from you.
So we still have dirty sounding translations into English like "Dong" for a name. Why? The current trend in romanizing of Chinese is to translate something that sounds like "sheh sheh" which means thank you, into "xiè xie". You have to study Chinese Mandarin in college for 6 months before you'll ever know how to pronounce this stuff now.
I like the way they translated stuff back in the 1960s. You know, Jackie Chan can be said by anybody in an English speaking place just by looking at the name, and it is close enough. Jackie Chan born today would probably be translated to something like Jackie "Xzyingx" now. Jet Li into Jet "Kiuahz" no doubt. Yet Dong Suk probably still translates to "Dong Suk". WHY? Something to do with Zhuyin vs. Pinyin I guess. Annoys me to no end. Every other language that gets translated into English at least has some basis for picking the damn letters that are close enough in sound.
And you suffer crippling hospital and family costs for the rest of their life if you do not back up and finish them off. It really is that bad.
This kind of mistake is precisely why we (mostly) have due process in the United States.
This was a story because the victim was a prominent CEO. How many regular people were "caught" by this system for jaywalk on, say, sidewalks, and they just had to live with the shaming?
Modified version of Fallout 2's death message:
"You have died; along with everything else on the galaxy. The People's Republic of China with Xi Jinping the Evil Elemental triumphs, releasing the cross-substance virus into the space, then dies."