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Developer Misinterprets Linux Code of Conduct, Suggests Replacing F-Word with 'Hug' (neowin.net)
Seeking compliance with Linux's new Code of Conduct, Intel software engineer Jarkko Sakkinen recently requested comments on a set of changes to kernel code comments which Neowin described as "replacing the F-word with 'hug'. "
80 comments quickly followed on the Linux Kernel Maintainer's List: Several contributors responded to the alterations calling them insane. One wondered if Sakkinen was just trying to make a joke, and another called it censorship and said he'd refuse to apply any sort of patches like this to the code he's in charge of...
Some of the post-change comments read "Some Athlon laptops have really hugged PST tables", "If you don't see why, please stay the hug away from my code", and "Only Sun can take such nice parts and hug up the programming interface".
Eventually LWN.net publisher Jonathan Corbet deflated most of the controversy by pointing out that Linux's new Code of Conduct applies to future comments but clearly indicates that it does not apply explicitly to past comments.
And Jarkko Sakkinen acknowledged that he had missed that part of the discussion.
80 comments quickly followed on the Linux Kernel Maintainer's List: Several contributors responded to the alterations calling them insane. One wondered if Sakkinen was just trying to make a joke, and another called it censorship and said he'd refuse to apply any sort of patches like this to the code he's in charge of...
Some of the post-change comments read "Some Athlon laptops have really hugged PST tables", "If you don't see why, please stay the hug away from my code", and "Only Sun can take such nice parts and hug up the programming interface".
Eventually LWN.net publisher Jonathan Corbet deflated most of the controversy by pointing out that Linux's new Code of Conduct applies to future comments but clearly indicates that it does not apply explicitly to past comments.
And Jarkko Sakkinen acknowledged that he had missed that part of the discussion.
If seeing the F-word in the Linux source code is a bit too much for you, then perhaps you'd be better off making yet another set of pretty icons for GNOME or KDE.
It's the intent behind it that matters.
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I can't hugging believe this...
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Just last night I had a nightmare where I had to submit to the SJW thoughtpolice agenda or get shunned out of my programming group. It was straight out of 1984. That's exactly where this is heading. Fuck your feelings. Stop this Code of Conduct nonsense now.
I'm glad to see that the code of conduct is resulting such good use of developer time.
These sad, sad people clearly need a hug.
How many instances of FUCK (is that the word??) ARE there in the Linux Kernel in 2018 and WHY? Linus hasn't blown his stack on this already? Enterprise-ready facepalm.
Are we going to find the N-word in device drivers a bunch of times now? This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
So copy paste the F word from other comments. Of course giving credit where credit is fkn due.
Sounds like some of these contributors are some real anti-social assholes. "Fuck" should never be used professionally. Never. Ever. If they're using "fuck" as in "stay the fuck away from my code", they've got some serious personal/psychological problems, and probably shouldn't be working on a team with other people, anyway.
I don't respond to AC's.
I'll bring the blackjack and hookers.
Fuck this child-run age of Linux.
Sometimes being a cunt to people is a good thing. It keeps 30 year old children away from it.
These people need a right good kick up the ass to give them something to whine about. Maybe cart them off to some poverty-stricken area and give them some fucking sense.
Why doesn't the summary explain which word it means by "the F-word"?
What's a PST table used for, and why is it a problem with Athlon laptops?
Oh just go and get absolutely Hugged!
I am sick to Hugging death of these MotherHugging Hugs,
sticking their Huggers into things that do not concern them.
The absolute Hugs!
When I was young, no-one gave a Hug about this Smile.
Now we are up to our ears in Smile, while every Hug
whines about how no-one give a Hug about them.
Everything is Huggy, and we have to call it all the Hug out.
Peace, my Neckers.
(R)ule in Hell or (S)erve in Heaven [R]?
That is almost as big con as so called "intel" software engineers. You know "intel" is a military deception lulzboat of dual use technology. It's about so called "intel.gov" - intelligence community of rainbow soprano boys. Now you have to be very very careful as they created all kinds of diversionary mechanisms for alchemy of belief structures and diverting your attention into grateful dead places. For example "artificial intelligence". You know it's also doublethink concept. If intelligence is artificial it's not an intelligence. If it's intelligence it's never artificial.
if someone finds out that there is something in the water, I will not be surprised. Y'all are nuts.
Hug me gently with a chainsaw...
It's a good idea to treat people with respect.
But saying a piece of hardware fucked up some table is not attacking a person. We're going too far with the SJW speech-police. Sometimes it's necessary to make a point strongly.
If you want equal rights, that means you don't get to demand special protections for your feelings. Equal means equal: you should be adult enough to accept that the real world has some level of swearing in it.
This kind of thing is a cancer and will spread if it isn't carved out. Eventually we'll be more focused on policing speech than on technology. It will not end well.
That's why these kinds of exercises always end up in disaster. If your rule is any more complex than "Nobody shall prohibit anyone their natural rights to freedom of speech" it ALWAYS ends up being initially misinterpreted, and later abused by those in power.
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There, I said it. Nobody died. Nobody got hurt, In fact, nothing happened... at all.
And Hug as another.
I don't condone the word fuck in comments, but it does stand out as an advisory for people who are messing with things they probably don't appreciate or understand,
Hug on the other hand doesn't really have the same warning value...
All you gradual maternal-huggers writing code for Linux but are afraid of a few words need to consume soil and depart! I'm tired of inferior code being promoted because some feline cried because his gradual donkey was offended!
Enough of this soil! ;)
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
Linus must be turning in his grave
in the town square with the cardboard sign that said Free Hugs.
Shouldn't that be Libre Hugs?
Why cant these motherfuckers communicate professionally?
Would you look at that... of course it was a pajeet. At least now he's famous.
When the harried LA detective who is inadvertently on the trail of white supremists, and trying to explain it to the straight-laced clueless FBI Agent while dropping f-bombs the entire time...which the fed objects to...with the comment: "I'm telling you about a vast conspiracy and all you can focus on is my fucking language??????"
because that's hugging hilarious.
Society is now complying to the wishes of SJW's and individuals that are recreationaly outraged, trolling or just too delicate to function in normal society.
It is now interfering in efficient communication.
It is also being used to derail valuable discussion on real issues.
At some point the "new language" and policies will cause a miscommunication that will cost a business significant money.
If it gets too far out of hand it could cost a life.
EG : a sensitive hospital intern labels a medical chart "JohnJane Doe NonBinary Ey/Em/Eir"
Medication is not sexist but in some cases due to physiological conditions we don't prescribe it the same way for men and women.
This will hopefully be abandoned and seen to be the silliness that it is.
If you don't think it is silliness, go to some of the SJW discussion sites and have a good look. Topics and beliefs in them are often contradictory or unintentionally sexist/racist/discriminatory.
If the fucking bastards don't like it then fuck off, nobody gives a hobbly fuck.
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(yeah, it helps — is hilarious — if you know the character beforehand)
I would be a gpl violation to force such modifications onto the code.
My wonder was how can this kind of shit can get pushed into the source tree to begin with.
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“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
to fuck off. I've also never told anyone on a developer forum to fuck off. I can't even imagine why somebody would outside of taking out their frustration on somebody else. If you want to do that there's a time and a place for it. It's called 4chan.
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Try repeatedly dropping f-bombs on people face to face at a workplace, and see how long you last.
It depends on whether a recording studio is a "workplace". Eminem dropped four F-bombs in four lines in his rap song "White America", and the album it was on (The Eminem Show) went 10x Platinum.
Left a job because of too much cussing everywhere. Every other word from everyone in the office was vulgar. For a few years, I played along, but eventually cussing had gotten into my home life.
That was unacceptable.
Using "fuck" 4-times a year, no issue. Using "fuck" 100 times a day and I don't need to be associated with people like that.
If you are so immature that other words can't fulfil your need to express displeasure about some work, I feel sorry for you, your friends, and your family.
Would you say it to your 6 yr old daughter?
Why the hug is this a hugging front page story?
I submitted a change for replacing the potentially offensive f-word with "sodomize it in the ass with a ribbed steel dildo"
If you are so immature that other words can't fulfil your need to express displeasure about some work, I feel sorry for you, your friends, and your family.
Would you say it to your 6 yr old daughter?
Swearing is stupid, but Your deep seated need to control others speech patterns is silly.
And no - I wouldn't say fuck or whatever word triggers you in front of a child, or my mother, or Jeebuz either. I have a magic ability to tailor my speech to the group I'm with.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Why not the synthetic "frack," " fracking," from Battlestar Galactica, or "taffing," "taffers," from the Thief series of video games.
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Hug on the other hand doesn't really have the same warning value...
But "Hug" is sexual assault unless enthusiastically agreed to. Just because it is typed out makes it no less sexual assault.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
I feel for you. But you should not make work harder for other environments where you do not belong.
Juts work harder, enjoy your self imposed hard adult environment, and please leave Linux developers alone.
When and where things are mission critical, there usually performance matters more, and the externallia of SJW religion matters less.
It would be great to segregate those two worlds. The world of useful responsible adults singing SJW chants and purging themselves and the world of industries that feed everyone. Gas, operating systems kernels, health. Bridge construction!
I am most sure the Florida bridge designers were the most responsible adults wimmin folks and never ever questioned what the hugging design they are producing.
Imagine what happens if servers in your city that control say traffic lights or payroll system happen to run on SJW designed operating systems kernels. And the gas is leaking because hug sayers are all rightfully fired.
Let's correct all of the dangerous words! Or is that upwardly-challenged-angel ?
They only serve to attract attention seeking dipshits who believe they can wield them as weapons to introduce unnecessary politics and impose the fruits of their own intolerant mental derangements upon others.
"And depending on the culture, hugging could fall in the harrasment category. Actually, when I think about it, in Finland this kind of poking of ones personal bubble would be such :-)" ~Jarkko Sakkinen
According to Jarkko even the word HUG is offensive. Clearly not operating on all thrusters.
In Slovak, *fucked* means *really*, so Linux can just accept the use of some foreign words in comments and then the problem is solved.
Of course introducing a code of conduct means some will feel the hugging need to bend over backwards to bring hugging everything in line with the hugging CoC, down to the hugging last hugging letter. And then the hugging rules hugging lawyers hugging show hugging up. Group hugs for hugging everyone and hugging everything!
fucks sake ..
And the expected stupidity begins.
Would you say it to your 6 yr old daughter?
Yes. If nothing else so that she learns at an early age that words have no power over her.
A lesson too many adults sadly missed.
Would you say it to your 6 yr old daughter?
Do you want to work with a bunch of 6 year olds?
you can say fuck all the time but you should not professionally write it in permanent artifact. City Clerks says fuck all the time but do not write it in birth or death certificate or laws. Accountant says it all the time but don't write it in a document sent to the IRS or local equivalent. Doctor and engineer says fuck all the time but don't write it in patient charts or blueprints. So why in the five fuckity hell of a bitch moaning schweinpriester do you think it is sanctimonious to expect the SAME fucking professionalism from developer ? Sorry, but if you write it does in permanent artifact which are shared with other, you stay fucking polite. If you can't do that then grow up. I have seen the worst in source code from simple swear words to pretending a colleague was a whore and accept credit cards+her phone. None of that shit is OK and if I see it now i immediately ask the idiot to remove it OR escalate it. That 3rd year playground shit is unprofessional.
Is that non-sanctimonious enough for you ?
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it's "daemon" and it's not exactly the same thing as "demon".
Daemons are associated with ancient Greek mythology and are mythical creatures which act for good or ill and often capriciously. This is why this spelling and term are used for background processes in Linux and similar operating systems.
Demons are commonly associated with the devil of the generally Jedeo-Christian religious traditions and as such are powerful and always evil entities. This is not the word used in Linux, BSD, etc for background processes.
If you know more than just a little bit about something, then it's easy to avoid embarrassing yourself publicly.
This rabbit hole's fucked hugging deep.
The trouble with comments is that they rot. Rotting means that comments are less likely to be maintained than code and thus, they go out of date and become irrelevant. So if some guy back in whenever wrote a piece of rant that's still there but hopelessly irrelevant today, then he's just making an idiot of himself. It's like yelling on the street when there's no danger... Don't let this happen to you :)
Word police cannot change the way people think.
The result will be that more and more people, when using "hug" in the normal way, will associate it with todays use of the f-word. So they will seek and find a replacement, use a synonym, when really wanting to express "hug".
It is a pointless excercise, only making the language a bit poorer or distorted.
...one for the PC people , as in "Personal Computer", and one for the PC people, as in "Political Correctness".
What dark sorcery is this?!? Are you a witch?
By code. Fast. 3 weeks in and they have a new meaning Just like Fuck has at least two. Goes to show that compelled speach is nonsense.
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What a hugtarded idea. Hug it right in the skull!
I think he needs a Hug.
What a motherhugger.
"One single person does not read licence properly!" - That is news? Honestly? What the fuck is wrong with you people?
Oh, and fuck fuckelifuck fuck fuck.
Who the fuck really cares? Political fucking correctness gone fucking crazy. Fuck this.
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"Eventually LWN.net publisher Jonathan Corbet deflated most of the controversy by pointing out that Linux's new Code of Conduct applies to future comments but clearly indicates that it does not apply explicitly to past comments. '
How does this deflate any of the controversy? Given that this will apply to future comments.
Correction - Nobody you would WANT to do that job will want that job.
There are, however, a large number of people YEARNING to be a "perverted authority figure".
And they are the biggest proponents of "Code of Conducts", so as to make it possible for them to do "that job".
Modern hug huggers hug other hugs using hugs, NOT LUDDITE f*ck!
Hugs!
And that includes the fucking comments and variable names. But there is a time and place for cursing. Serious source code is almost never that place.
Auto replacing fuck with hug is obviously ridiculous, but improving code and comments should always be welcome.
And the truth is, re-writing so the text does not contain curse words is likely to make it look more professional. We should encourage that.
If you can't make a strong point without cursing you are probably not that good at communicating anyway. So let someone else clean up the comments without bitching and whining. Remember, we were focusing on quality, right?
This obviously means we should not just remove the curse words blindly without thinking. It has to be an actual improvement, and we don't want to lose the meaning the original text was trying to present.
If something is fucking important, it is fucking important. But don't be lazy. Make also the comments look professional on a level that Linux deserves!
Changing someones comments is also not censorship. It is the whole point of the GPL, that we can take someone else's code and make changes to it, if we think it will be an improvement.
What dark sorcery is this?!? Are you a witch?
A warlock, indeed.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
There used to be a sketch comedy show called Bizarre that would replace "feelthy language" with the names of politicians and public figures. So you might hear them say something like, "That hooker Lewinskied my Trump until I Clintoned all over her face."
Somehow I doubt Linux developers will be any less imaginative going forward.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
a project doesn't turn into a dystopian nightmare. You can just leave the project. Societies turn into dystopian nightmares. And you haven't convinced me that making people be civil in a workplace environment leads to that.
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Where the frack did I fracking hear a fracking replacement for the fracking f-word before...
To quote the late great George Carlin, in english, fuck falls into many grammatical categories.
"Hug", as a replacement for "Fuck" only makes sense if you think the particular meaning of "fuck" in that context is a reference to coitus.
I really doubt that's what the code comments were trying to get across.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
https://developers.slashdot.org/story/18/09/13/1523229/python-joins-movement-to-dump-offensive-master-slave-terms as covered there, crap like this has already happened, and apparently will continue to happen.
... seems like testing to see how far the line is.
'Hug' makes absolutely no sense on those example comments. I'm glad this was declined, but not because of 'censorship' or whatever, but because the comments make no sense with 'hug' in them.
If he wanted to remove the "swear" part of it why didn't he use something more immediately useful? e.g.
"Some Athlon laptops have really messed up PST tables" // literally just remove "the fuck"
"If you don't see why, please stay away from my code"
"Only Sun can take such nice parts and mess up the programming interface".
Documentation can be cheaper therapy.
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People holding signs with "Free Hugs!"
suddenly got a new meaning....
English happens to be the language in which we communicate in, but I do not remember agreeing to stick to the American notion of decency and moral values in that same pack.
To the dismay of many Americans (and that Scandinavian nerd that watched too much cable TV) "fuck" is just a word, and an "F word" is just a 48 bit far pointer.
Clearly, we need to replace fuck with cunt.