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Emergence of Lab-Grown Meat Poses New Questions for Religious Leaders (wsj.com)
Lab-grown meat is becoming closer to a reality. But this new technology poses new questions for people who typically avoid meat for religious or ethical reasons. An anonymous reader shares a report: Lab-grown meat has sparked a debate among rabbis in Israel about whether cell-cultured is the same as conventional meat and should fall under the same guidelines for keeping kosher. "There is a disagreement about it and there is a conversation. Also, definitely, there are new questions about lab-meat," says Rabbi Yuval Cherlow, an expert on kosher tradition and bioethics. WSJ has posted a video in which you can hear more from Rabbi Cherlow.
Someone somewhere will start a religious campaign or social media protest over it in one way or another.
Why not discuss real problems instead of spending time discussing how the invisible master in the sky may think about artificial meat?
Lab grown meat with lab grown cheese. Is it kosher? Does it need to be inspected like other sources of meat?
And if meat isn't murder, will PETA support it?
Is lab-grown meat slaughtered pursuant to Biblically-prescribed methods? No.
Is lab-grown meat cleaned of its blood pursuant to Biblically-prescribed methods? No.
Lab-grown meat is not Kosher. END OF STORY.
As far as ethics goes, I see growing a cell culture for food as entirely ethically positive. I see killing an animal for food as ethically dubious on its very best day. I have zero problem with cultured meat; no ethical dithering arises there at all. Make it practical, reasonably edible, and bring it on. The follow-on economic consequences, such as fewer farms where animals are packed like sardines in order to maximize production, look to me to be broadly positive. That the operators of such enterprises will suffer when they fail seems to me to be entirely appropriate.
As to the other, I'm not religious. I have no idea how this will play out in that area.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
The whole paradigm shifts and leaders scramble for answers they won't regret down the line.
Lab-grown meat has sparked a debate among rabbis in Israel about whether cell-cultured is the same as conventional meat and should fall under the same guidelines for keeping kosher.
Of course it should fall under the same guidelines for keeping kosher. Your lab-grown meat still began life as part of a cow, pig, chicken, or whatever, didn't it? If I am wrong on that please correct me.
If the old rules still apply even though the dangers of undercooked pork are no longer a thing, then they still apply even though we would no longer need to kill a pig.
It's the other other whitemeat. And I want to eat what I be.
Lab-grown meat will be commercially available and consumed as soon as self driving cars arrive and start driving without "safety" drivers. About the same time the Mars colony starts and the first commercial Hyperloop opens.
And shut the fuck up. No one cares about what delusional fuckwads have to say.
My wife is Jewish (while I'm agnostic -- former Roman Catholic).
One thing I've come to realize about Judaism is, they have a lot of rabbis and "fervently religious" who seem to believe a big part of the faith involves a lot of poring over scriptures and making philosophical declarations about what they do or don't mean for fellow Jews.
IMO, some of it borders on the ridiculous, with all the rituals they put themselves through to make sure they're not violating them.... But I suppose that's easy for me to say as an "outsider"? (I'm also convinced that part of the attraction to Judaism is the feeling that they're part of a closer-knit community BECAUSE they have so many strange customs. You know how HAM radio geeks seem to take a strange pride in knowing all sorts of esoteric stuff about radio waves and antenna design? Yeah ... kinda like that.)
But frankly, the different factions of Jews (Conservative, Orthodox, Reform, etc.) appear to me to have come about because there were various levels of commitment people were willing to give to all of these rules, too. People still felt an identity as a Jew but didn't always agree on how much ritual they had to go through as part of it .....
So I'm sure this debate on "lab grown meat" will rage on and on for them, with no conclusive answer that all Jews accept.
Seriously, if lab grown "meat" is able to replace the majority of animal meat in terms of safety, taste and nutritional needs, then what's the fucking issue?
No...we better keep cutting huge swaths of forest to graze cattle so I feel a little better about what I'm eating. Better to keep risking those Chicken and Pork viruses which pass to humans because Jesus told you in the bible that you cannot eat lab grown meat... Hint, it doesn't say that.
I can see how an ancient religion founded in ignorance could conclude that a specific food was risky and set up the rules regarding what to avoid, but to pass this latest development through a screen of modern day magic believers is silly.
There's really no issue here. Just one more demo of how the ancients could not anticipate all the developments of the future, except the one that relates to people believing in magic.
As a former vegan/vegetarian, I'm happy to see alternatives to factory farming of sentient animals for food. Small farms are different because there is chance for animals to at least live out a normal lifespan in relative peace and comfort before having one bad day. Other meat eaters may object to some esoteric urge for the 'real thing', but cultured meat is actually the same, just without pain or cruelty. It's pretty self-evident. The fact that any religion is even debating it is a good indicator of how useless they are in modern times. Humanity needs to grow up.
In addition to the prevention and lack of diseases, and lack of the use of antibiotics or any other chemical substances, why are Rabbis arguing over this? Can't get more kosher than this.
Since when does ./ care about religion? These "religious leaders" follow and impose rules randomly made up by people hundreds if not thousands of tyears ago, derived from fantasy books. So again whi TF cares?
Eating real beef, pork, etc, is not climate friendly - producing such meat releases a lot of greenhouse gasses. If lab grown meat releases fewer greenhouse gasses then this could be one small way of not exceeding the 1.5 degree rise. This also depends on lab grown meat getting cheap enough - which it is not today.
Would I eat lab grown meat ? Maybe: I have not tasted any - yet.
It's only going to get worse. If we ever discover life off the earth, there's going to have to be a ridiculous amount theological retrofitting and reinterpretation that goes on. At some point, when your tool doesn't work anymore, most sane people start looking for another tool, rather than continuing to bash away ineffectively with their current one while making excuses.
If your god didn't have the foresight to see this shit coming and provide some guidance, perhaps it's time to let go. In the last several hundred years, we've come up with a number of more modern, functional systems of understanding and ethics. We're well past the dusty myths of goat herders, as stories like these clearly illustrate. Time to let go, and catch up with modern times.
It will be better for everyone.
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Lab-grown meat is becoming closer to a reality. But this new technology poses new questions for people who typically avoid meat for religious or ethical reasons.
No it doesn't because you cannot actually buy it. It doesn't present any questions until people can obtain it for consumption and actually are considering doing so. Honestly I doubt it's going to become a real issue because if the "ick" factor and FUD that will surround it unless it is just astonishingly delicious.
Lab-grown meat has sparked a debate among rabbis in Israel about whether cell-cultured is the same as conventional meat and should fall under the same guidelines for keeping kosher.
Why exactly should the rest of us give a shit about the irrational restrictions a bunch of religious crazies put on themselves regarding food? (Yes I think that if you let a rabbi or priest tell you what to eat you are crazy) Unless they are trying to interfere with what I eat I don't really care about this at all any more than I care about whether or not someone goes to Weight Watchers. Their problem, not mine.
If only "religious leaders" - or anybody spending more than 10 seconds per year reflecting on religious issues - spent their time and efforts trying to solve the real problems of this world...
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
This is like thinking maintaining a few applications on a single workstation is the same as all of IT management tasks across a large multinational corporation. Current artificial meat isn't much more than some cultured cell goo, whereas an actual piece of meat is comprised of connective tissues, blood vessels, nerves, vastly more differentiated cells, and real macroscopic structure. We aren't there yet, but it has a promising future if you can look beyond the hype. im actually looking forward to artificial meat technology because it would be nice to walk down to the hospital and pick up some new fingers and a lower back.
It's a myth that there were rational reasons for food restrictions.
Someone somewhere is allergic to something.
Undercooked animal is always hazardous bUT goat is OK but not pork? Irrational.
I would like artificial meat to be labeled as such because I would count the low environmental impact as being an advantage. I’m sure that initially it would be a ground beef replacement, and as such I would prefer it and seek it out in burger-type meals.
It will take time before lab meat gets the mouthfeel and taste of fine steak, but here again it being lab grown is a factor that I would count as a positive in comparingwhichb steak I would buy.
Label it clearly so consumers can make their own informed decisions. Some will see lab-created as a positive, while others view it as a negative. I know that the life of the animal has a huge influence on the meat (taste, texture, fat marbling, etc), but if a comparable product can be developed which does not involve animal suffering, so much the better.
You need to look Beyond Meat.
It's already here now, today. Go to A&W to try it out.
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Good people, good food.
FTFY.
Seriously, what is this shit doing on /.?
I can see how an ancient religion founded in ignorance could conclude that a specific food was risky and set up the rules regarding what to avoid, but to pass this latest development through a screen of modern day magic believers is silly.
Of course it is silly. Most things about religions are objectively ridiculous to anyone outside their cult. But that doesn't seem to stop them from doing all sorts of idiotic things for their invisible friend in the sky because their cult leader told them to do it.
As a former vegan/vegetarian, I'm happy to see alternatives to factory farming of sentient animals for food.
Former huh? Personally I'm comfortable with the fact that animals (including humans) eating animals is absolutely normal and appropriate. We are omnivores and I think it's absurd to deny that fact. Industrial scale farming does have some bad practices that need to be addressed but I don't have an issue with farming at scale in principle as long as reasonable practices of hygiene and ethical treatment of the animals are followed.
I think there is practical utility in eating mostly vegetables. Good health benefits, environmental benefits, economic benefits, and yes ethical benefits. But I don't really have a problem with the fact that we are animals that eat other animals sometimes too. I think vegan's tend to be people who take a good idea too far. I don't see any ethical problems with eating eggs or drinking milk or using some sorts of animal products, provided they were sourced humanely even if you'd prefer to avoid eating the animal itself. The problem is that people start becoming de-facto carnivores which isn't really a good thing for them or for society in general.
The fact that any religion is even debating it is a good indicator of how useless they are in modern times. Humanity needs to grow up.
I could not agree more.
People who do nott eat whatever for ethical reasons, can take the decission themselves, like they always have.
Religion will be skomething else. Will it be Haram, kosher or seen as a vegetable. It will be interesting what theycome upwith.
It will have no influence on what I do, yet interestingnontheless.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
IMO, some of it borders on the ridiculous...
"Borders"? No it IS objectively ridiculous. You don't need the qualifier. There is no utility in most of it at all. It's just following whatever irrational thing their cult leader told them to do.
They have G*D's word forbid "boiling a (kid) goat in its mother's milk" - and keep separate dinnerware related to all milk and meat just to be safe. Why should they risk the wrath of YHWH just because of vat grown meat?
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Whole Foods (incidentally owned by Amazon) clearly labels their food as to where it comes from, and if it's GMO free or whatever-free. You can shop there. Those of us who don't care can shop elsewhere.
Next up, complaints from People for The ethical Treatment of Lab Meat.
Perfect timing... I just watched this episode this morning.
So now we can get Moa, Mastadon and T-Rex!
If you want to get around the pig issue you need to engineer single hove pigs.
The workaround needs to be based on Kosher laws, not around if the animal is still alive or not.
That's my read on the matter.
Not sure what to do about shellfish yet but i'm sure something similar could apply. Maybe a genetically altered change in diet somehow so they don't need to bottom feed or, or eat carrion.
I'd think that artificial meat would be less contaminated with antibiotics and growth hormones
Why? They have to get it to grow somehow and I don't see why, if growth hormones are legal in your country, they would not also help grow artificial meat just as much as natural meat. You might be right with the antibiotics since presumably the meat can be grown under sterile conditions but, equally, there will be no immune system to fight infections so if sterile conditions are hard to maintain for some reason I could easily see some company bathing the meat in antibiotics or worse since anti-bacterial chemicals that might kill an animal could be used e.g. the US already chlorinates its "natural-grown" chicken.
There will always be a company willing to cut corners to reduce costs and increase profits. Apart from the above lab-grown meat will offer all sorts of potential for exposure to new chemicals in the food chain with only minimal testing on the long-term effects to human health simply because this is extremely hard to do and will never be as good as the real-life test of selling it to millions of consumers. Lab-grown meat may well be the way of the future for a lot of reasons but, personally, I would hold off buying it for a few years until the long-term and large-scale health effects have been well tested by the early adopters/guinea pigs.
Yeah, but rather than sleight of hand, Trump uses outright lies to create his illusions.
For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.
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For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.
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"What the hell is that?"
One thing you've got to realize about Judaism is that it's massively decentralized. If you wanted a ruling on lab grown meat in Catholicism, it would be easy. The pope (or some bishop under the Pope) gives it the thumbs up and Catholics everywhere grab lab grown steaks in their local supermarkets. With Judaism, though, it's more like thousands of rabbis
There are parts of Christianity that are decentralized as well. Roman Catholics (as you mention) and Jehovah's Witnesses are lot more centralized than, say, Baptists.
Why are you guys crying so much over this? you eat at Mc Donalds twice a week anyway and im pretty sure thats way worse than eating any lab grown steak!
some religious nutcrackers will oppose this as rÃthe work of satan or something similar. Cant eat it cos it was never alive and possible to butcher it halal style or what ever
Here we are on the edge of 2019 and people still believe in the great man in the sky.
Superstitious nonsense for children.
Our society is doomed because of these dull witted people.
If it is grown from Cow cells, it is still Cow.
If it is grown from Human cells, then it is fine. Enjoy your Canibal Sandwich! Or humanburger.
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Is very simple: it's not meat. It's food with taste and texture of meat.
If you did not use non halal animal products in it, alcohol or otherwise harmful substances, it's as halal as potatoes.
Islam is a very simple religion and you do not have to be a scholar to be able to act on such simple matter.
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Would be interesting to see what the BJP would have to say about eating Lab grown beef since this won't need killing cow!
Would brahmins start eating lab grown meat officially!
I don't think you understand the difference between atheist and agnostic, to make that comment.....
Atheists, especially in recent times, are treating their belief in NO higher power as a religion of its own. Many actively try to "preach" it to others, to save them from their various religions.
I have a problem with all of that, because I think it's entirely possible that there either is or WAS a "higher power" of some sort involved in the creation of the universe as we know it. I don't have any way to prove that there isn't a god of some sort out there, so it's irresponsible of me to tell everyone else who thinks so that they're wrong.
I don't, however, like any of the organized religions because I don't find any of them compelling. So many of them were either created out of thin air or were spun off of other, older ones. Many hold beliefs that completely contradict others, too -- so at least some of them have to be wrong. (If you believe in, say, reincarnation? That conflicts with pretty much every Christian religion that tells you your soul transcends your body at death and goes to a "heaven", a "hell" or a "purgatory". You either get more chances on this Earth in new bodies/forms or you don't.)
Hence, agnostic.
Who are attempting to run the complexities of modern life through archaic algorithms
I'd engineer the meat to make it talk. While you're eating it. I'd make it say, "where is your god now?"