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HP's Omen 15 is the First Gaming Laptop With a 240Hz Display (engadget.com)
HP has just upped the refresh rate ante with its latest Omen 15. From a report: The company says it's the world's first gaming laptop with a 15.6-inch 1080p 240Hz IPS display, meaning it should stay ahead of even the quickest-shooting gamer. The laptop itself should also be able to keep up with the screen, as it's equipped with NVIDIA's latest mobile graphics, an 8th-generation Intel Core i7-8750H processor, 16GB of RAM and the latest 802.11ax wireless, aka "WiFi 6." The Omen 15 arrives in February at a starting price of $1,370.
I'm not sure why all the laptop manufacturers insist on 1080p even (especially) for their high-end models. Surely Apple doesn't have a corner on the market for HiDPI displays. The only ones I've found that consistently has HiDPI is of course Apple, and AlienWare.
By the way, is there anybody here that runs Linux straight on AlienWare and does it work well? Asking for a friend...
Displays now update the charges on the liquid crystals many times faster than the crystals themselves can update.
"His name was James Damore."
To tell us that this laptop is coming out in July? (as the article states). In any case, RTX 2070 or not, it's not pushing enough frames for a display like this to matter. Personally, I prefer reliable hardware with warranty coverage whose technicians don't treat me with absolute contempt when I try to get them to honor the coverage I purchased, causing me to have to email every vice president I can find locally here in Houston to get a simple motherboard swap done. Fuck HP.
More pixels, more power used.
Faster updating, more power used....
This is just ludicrous.
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\In any case, RTX 2070 or not, it's not pushing enough frames for a display like this to matter.
This is objectively incorrect. People who play competitive shooters (such as myself) such as Counter-Strike Global Offensive target 200 fps minimum and like to have close to 400 fps. An RTX 2070 is more than capable of that at the low settings competitive games are typically played at. I personally play at 1024 x 768 stretched to 16:9 in Global Offensive, which is a common resolution amongst professionals
And before someone replies to me here claiming that "humans can't see more than 30 fps" -- yes, they can. I can tell the difference between 60 Hz and 144 Hz with ease. And although the difference between 144 Hz and 240 Hz is less noticeable, 240 Hz still looks "smoother" when dramatic screen shifts happen, such as when quickly turning 180 degrees to face a flanker.
You seriously arent using CS:GO for your analogies? That game is on 15 year old rendering tech and posts over 100 FPS at 1080p max settings on even low end integrated graphics.
"His name was James Damore."
Then post a story on Slashdot, of upcoming technology that you think would fit you niche.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
The Omen 15 with a regular display arrives in February at a starting price of $1,370, while the 240 Hz version comes in July at a yet-to-be-disclosed price.
That's not the only useless specification - this laptop can probably also discharge its battery in less time than it takes to recharge it given that its reported battery life for just web-browsing is under 4 hours.
For home use, sure! But there are those of us who travel frequently and would like to knock out an hour or two gaming after work or in-flight. I would rather not fly with a pelican case for my desktop and monitor.
Displays now update the charges on the liquid crystals many times faster than the crystals themselves can update.
That's been true ever since the beginning of dot matrix LCDs in consumer devices. The original Game Boy compact video game system updated its 2.6", 160x144 pixel, 4-level passive matrix super-twisted nematic (STN) LCD panel at 60 Hz, but the display had so much "ghosting" (motion blur) that a lot of games ran at 30, 20, or even 15 fps just to let the LCD catch up. Game Boy pocket didn't improve response time but was nonetheless a bit easier to see because of better overall contrast. Pixel response times as measured with the homebrew 144p Test Suite didn't improve noticeably until Nintendo switched to TFT displays starting with Game Boy Color.
Because some of us leave our mother's basements...
If you play multi-player games where awareness and reaction are paramount (Fortnight, Player Unknown Battlegrounds, CS:GO, Overwatch, League of Legends, Dota 2, etc. etc. etc.) you're putting an extreme amount of stress on your health, as your eyes are looking at a comparatively small monitor, your posture couldn't be worse and your arms position is ... let's not talk about that.
Why would anyone play games on laptop with poor cooling on 15,6" display?
For the same price you can have 24" display, more HDD, more RAM, better GPU and open architecture for upgrades and extensions. Not mentioning much better experience.
I did in college so that I could have a semi-decent gaming rig and still have a computer I could lug around to class/back and forth from school to home. This was before tablets w/keyboard case were a legitimate option, otherwise I probably would have had a tower plus tablet. Of course, my laptop was a 17" one with a full keyboard.
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For home use, sure! But there are those of us who travel frequently and would like to knock out an hour or two gaming after work or in-flight. I would rather not fly with a pelican case for my desktop and monitor.
Me neither. I would want to pack a pelican in a pelican case. A desktop computer is the wrong shape for that.
I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
You had me at "RTX 2070"!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Does slashdot carry sexbot slashvertisements too?
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
HP printers suck (I worked on bug fixes for the WiFi firmware). I haven't had any problems with my HP Omen gaming desktop, so I'd be willing to consider an HP gaming laptop. By the way, the Overwatch eSports league uses HP Omens exclusively, but that more of a marketing coup than a reliability one.
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
To start with, HP doesn't actually make any PC products (laptop or desktop). They ODM the products to third party vendors and slap their name on them.
It's been decades since HP actually made a PC.
In the past, the desktops were manufactured by Asus. Wistron and others have manufactured their laptops.
Their consumer level quality is well..... just read the reviews.
Windows uses subpixel rendering for fonts (ClearType) to essentially turn a 1920x1080 display into a 5760x1080 display.
One of the primary markets for Macs is page layout artists. When they design a page, they need the letters of a font to show up exactly where they will in the final printout so they can get the kerning right. Image clarity is secondary, since the final printout will be much higher resolution than the screen. Consequently, OS X does not do subpixel rendering of fonts. It anti-aliases them at the pixel level based on their exact location. If it tried to use subpixel rendering, it would have to shift each letter slightly to align with the subpixel grid, which is unacceptable for page layout work. If you ever hook up a Mac and a Windows PC to the same monitor, you'll notice that the Mac's fonts look like crap compared to the PC's. This is why.
The only way OS X could increase font clarity was by moving to high DPI displays. Unless you're working with extremely detailed high-resolution graphics (e.g. photo editing), such displays are unnecessary with Windows, since it basically triples the pixels of your regular monitor when rendering fonts.
$1370 is pretty cheap actually for a RTX 2070 equipped 15.6" laptop, I spent a little more than $1000 for a GTX 1060 laptop of similar spec about 6 months ago, and that was still considered a decent deal. As for 240hz refresh on a 15.6" display, I don't know any gamers that would be able to use such a speed that are willing to play on such a small screen, so this is pretty much a gimmick.
Personally I'd rather have my idiots at home glued to the TV than out doing idiotic things
It's almost like different people have different needs and the market adapting to this by providing different alternatives. Crazy!
For instance I move between at least two places _daily_ with my computer and so a heavy but transportable machine is much more cost effective than the alternative. Sure if you give me enough money I'll try to make do with two powerful desktop machines plus one not as powerful notebook computer...
Just want to make this clear: it's your assertion that the Slashdot community makes purchasing decisions on HP laptops based on CSGO, which "professionals" commonly are using these laptops at 1024x768 running in 16:9 instead of 4:3. Even more, you believe you are representative of people who might purchase this laptop.
Ok.
In any case, RTX 2070 or not, it's not pushing enough frames for a display like this to matter.
What makes you say that? There's plenty of games where you exceed 120fps at 1080p even on a GTX 1070.
For home use, sure! But there are those of us who travel frequently and would like to knock out an hour or two gaming after work or in-flight. I would rather not fly with a pelican case for my desktop and monitor.
Working on the ramp of a major airport in college those Pelican cases were a godsend. Made for a perfect chair if you were in the bin of a 320/757 stacking bags. Some guys would sit on regular bags too, but I never did that. So just fyi, if you fly with a pelican case, some random guy has most likely used your case as a chair.
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Of course hard core gamers will probably want to see all the requisite benchmarks.
Of course. They can't even see 240 Hz. So how will they know whether to complain about the refresh rate or not.
Have gnu, will travel.
The usual “human eye can’t see above X hz” is hogwash from people that don’t understand the problem. There is still a visually perceptible difference between 500hz and 1000hz if there is an object in motion on the screen, even more so if you have a backlight that strobes in sync with the frames.
Consider a camera pointed at the screen. You set the shutter time to 1/100 of a second. Under 500hz, even though the camera is sort of emulating 100hz (not completely, but close enough for an example’s sake), it would capture a blend of 5 frames. Under 1000hz, it would capture a blend of 10 frames. So even though the monitor in both cases is outputting frames far faster than the camera can capture, a higher frame rate still results in smoother motion.
You don't need to see 240 Hz to benefit from it. Suppose you have a fast moving object that travels across the screen in 0.2 seconds. At 60 Hz, the object will go across the screen in 12 jumps. At 240 Hz, it will make 48 jumps, allowing for a much smoother motion.
And, no, motion blur isn't going to help you. When your eyes track the moving object, blur is unnatural.
Stop this nonsense!
wishful thinking (think outside the box, man!)
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I want that! Take my money! :P
some call it "life" (some slashdoters don't like it...)
I'll go out on a limb and guess that these CSGO pros that you "know" aren't real -- because very few professionals use high settings, even fewer play at a 16:9 resolution (favoring 4:3 instead), and literally all but a handful play at resolutions under 1080p. You don't know what you're talking about, quite frankly.
Just want to make this clear: it's your assertion that the Slashdot community makes purchasing decisions on HP laptops based on CSGO, which "professionals" commonly are using these laptops at 1024x768 running in 16:9 instead of 4:3. Even more, you believe you are representative of people who might purchase this laptop.
No, it's not my assertion. I never said anything about speaking for the Slashdot community or consumers as whole. I'm not sure how you got that impression.
And yes, I am representative of the people who might purchase this laptop. I actually drew on my own personal experience as a long-time competitive gamer who now has a career that requires travel, but still like to take competitive gaming seriously. I try to only play league games on my desktop (it's more performant, obviously), but having a 144 Hz laptop makes practicing on the road much less painful.
allowing for a much smoother motion
Undetectable by humans due to the physiology of vision. Yeah, some autist is going to step through the video frames one at a time and sperg out about the quality. But for the rest of us, not really.
Have gnu, will travel.
Good comment. Likely only using the actual laptop screen for gaming a limited number of times, so for the few times you're at a hotel or something and are forced to play on a tiny screen it'll be nifty, but likely not really used all that often.
There was a test where fighter pilots could describe a photograph displayed for a single frame at 255 frames per second.
Against what background? This is actually a good demonstration of persistence of vision. The longer the afterimage lasts, the longer the brain has to study it. And the slower a frame rate needs to be to eliminate flicker.
Have gnu, will travel.
Apparently the marketing team wasn't told they'd sell more if they sold them for $33 cheaper... not a very leet move for such leet hardware!
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