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Windows 10 Will Reserve 7GB of Your Computer's Storage in its Next Major Release So That Big Updates Don't Fail (zdnet.com)
In the next major release of Windows 10, Microsoft will reserve 7GB of your device's storage to resolve a Windows 10 bug thrown up by Windows Update not checking whether a PC has enough storage space before launching after big updates. From a report: As Microsoft warned ahead of the Windows 10 October 2018 Update, systems that don't have enough space to install Microsoft's 'quality updates' or new versions of the OS will see an error message explaining there is insufficient storage space. That happens because Windows doesn't check if a device has enough space before initializing. Microsoft's current solution is for users to manually delete unnecessary temporary files and temporarily move important files like photos and videos to external storage devices to make enough space for the update. This problem is more acute for devices with little storage capacity, such as many of the cheap 32GB flash-drive PCs on the market today.
Because none of my computers run Windows 10. If you aren't running Linux in 2019, you aren't paying attention.
by manually ensuring that you don't have that 'required space' ?
I bet there will be nag dialogs endlessly until you 'let them' do an update to your system.
man, I hate win10. we are forced to use it at work but thankfully I can do 99% of my daily stuff with linux. those who must use win10 - I feel sorry for you. its not a fun experience having to be the 'operator' of a computer you don't really own anymore..
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Great news to start the year.
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As a computer enthusiast since the DOS days, I so much hate Microsoft's Windows 10 philosophy. Every move they make is one where Microsoft attempts to chip away at a user's ownership of his or her computer. Microsoft creates a new problem by taking away a user setting - like deciding exactly when he or she has the time to update the computer or their work is sufficiently at a stopping point to risk an update. In doing so, Microsoft introduces a whole host of new issues such as temporarily bricking users' devices, rebooting in the middle of their work, running the hard disk full, or causing updates to run when a user really needs to get out of the office. Then, in order to fix the problem they created, they take more control away from the user and allocate unusable user space just for Microsoft to have extra space for more bloated updates.
The paranoid part of me doesn't believe Microsoft is doing this to fix the update problem at all. Instead, they're allocating 'hidden space' on the drive to capture user sensitive data and store it for later uploads to Microsoft when the laptop/desktop is connected to the Internet.
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This is a perfect example of why I have been ms-free since July 4th, 2018, and a big shout-out to Ubuntu for helping me be ms-free.
If a company as big as ms can't check for free space prior to an o.s. update, they don't deserve to be in the business of providing operating systems.
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With SSD's being around $100 for a samsung 256gb drive, i doubt anyone is deploying less than 128 these days.
Who the hell would ship a computer with a 32gb ssd? windows itself needs that much to even install! much less run. 128gb has been too small for a few years now!
There are also some tricks you can use to free up space. One i learned recently will clean up the stupid windows installer directory pretty well. i personally freed up 40gb on my work machine.
Download the windows installer cleanup utility, then run MSIZAP.exe G! to clean the directory
If you get an error, delete all the registry keys under:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Installer\UserData
reference: http://wyang0.blogspot.com/201...
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A way to prevent automatic updates.
Or will it be something that the consumer "finds out" after starting to use Windows 10?
Like hiberfil.sys or empty the browser cache. If you can't find 7GB, you are doing it wrong.
Windows 10 with compactos enabled and the program files folders manually compacted with /EXE:LZX uses something like 9GB total; then add pagefile, swapfile, hiberfile and whatever is in the Users folders. Base Win10 can be cut down pretty far if you know what you're doing, especially if you're dropping to PowerShell and using Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage to toss out all the extra non-store non-important crap like ZuneMusic and ZuneVideo and OneNote and People that are all otherwise non-removable. Toss in a generous dose of admin-run cleanmgr and a little "dism /online /cleanup-image /startcomponentcleanup /resetbase" to discard all update uninstallers and backup files and you'll have a neatly trimmed system. I've gotten a "32GB" (29.8 GiB minus boot/recovery partitions = more like 28.5 GiB) to have about 14 GiB of free space with all the things mentioned above, no user data, and no software installed.
/enable" to have Windows fix recovery mode by putting the recovery files in the main Windows partition instead, reclaiming a decent amount of unused space and overhead in the now-gone recovery partition.
It's possible to reduce this further by turning off paging, hibernation, and fast startup (which should lose all three of those big hidden special files I mentioned) but there are several reasons you probably should not do those things unless you're ready for extra grey hair.
With newer Win10 builds they're shoving an 800GB recovery partition at the end of the disk; you can delete this in diskpart or Linux, expand the main partition in Disk Management (diskmgmt.msc) to suck up the extra free space, then in an admin command prompt go "reagentc
Of course, once the machine is in the hands of someone that can't babysit the toddler that is Windows 10, it's going to fill up faster than you can say "how big were hard drives in 1992 again?" and Microsoft will rape Nanking way too hard, where Nanking is the name of your capacity-free HP Stream 11.
So Window Update doesn't check the size of the update and make sure there is enough space before downloading and installing it, so instead of fixing Windows Update we will just reserve 7G (SEVEN Gig!?!?! I had a full OS, and all of Microsoft Office, and my other software on a 105MB hard drive back in the day - but I digress) which will only be used when there is a major update instead of JUST FIXING WINDOWS UPDATE.
It is simple math. I realize with dynamic updates you probaby can't make an exact prediction of the space needed for the rollback repository etc., but you can know the actual update file sizes, and you can make a conservative guess on the in-process size, just check, if there isn't enough space don't even do the download. Nag the user about it all you want, just don't actualy start the process until you have room.
And if they actually need 7G now, what happens next year when the updates are bigger?
It's funny, I am sick of MacOS as they continue to de-Unix and get in my way with every update, so I am switching, but for some reason I never even considered switching to Windows.
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That ignores that cheap, budget devices are sold with 32GB or 64GB of storage. They aren't expandable. Remember that Windows 10 is _supposed_ to run on more than just high end desktops.
95 Floppy Disks would store less than a quarter of a Gig.
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Like the last time I needed to make a change to MS Office: I wanted to install a Czech language pack for MS Word. This should be a few MB worth of dictionary and hyphenation info. The Office installer proceeds to remove my entire MS Office installation, redownload 500 MB and reinstall the entire fucking Office suite. IIRC it nuked all my preferences too.
The icing on the cake was that it replaced the Start menu shortcuts for all Office programs with new versions in Czech, even though my system language is set to English.
Because none of my computers run Windows 10. If you aren't running Linux in 2019, you aren't paying attention.
Really? Or maybe it's that linux literally doesn't have critical software I need to do my job nor any suitable substitutes. I'm an accountant and an engineer. (not as weird a combo as it sounds) There literally is no functional equivalent to even something as basic as QuickBooks on linux. Never mind our MRP software, CAD software, various other engineering software and other tools that are indispensable to our work. Even when there are substitutes they generally are crap.
Believe me I'd switch to linux in a heartbeat if it were actually practical to do so but it isn't and very likely won't be any time soon in my day job. Works great for some of our servers though. At work we run Windows 10 for our desktops and while it has its warts, it gets the job done. Don't love it but linux desktop options aren't making me swoon with envy unfortunately.
For example, Windows 7 ran OK on a regular hard drive. Windows 10 -needs- a SSD to be able to function.
Don't know where you got this made up fact. I'm typing this on a PC that has Windows 10 and does not have an SSD and it runs just fine. (well... as fine as Windows ever runs)
The minimum size has grown as well, where W10 pretty much needs 120+ gigs of space with all the Market and user installed shoverware, and that's before adding relevant apps.
More bullshit. I'll agree it's pretty bloated but it demonstrably does not require that much space. If you have that much shovel-ware installed, switch PC vendors. On the machine I'm running right now Windows takes about 45GB of space. You can argue that's still too much and I'd probably agree with you but it's 1/3 of what you are claiming.
If you want to bash Windows there are plenty of opportunities that do not require making up nonsense.
But for how long? I gave up on running Linux on my laptop because you could never tell from one update to the next which parts would work and which wouldn't. One update my broadcom wireless would work fine, next nada, one patch my APU worked great, next YouTube felt like trying to watch video on a Via Chrome from 1997, and the Asmedia USB 3 was as unpredictable as the weather.
Linux is great on servers because server hardware is old and barebone, no wireless, if it even has a GPU or sound its some ancient chip that has been in service for ages and is as common as dirt, its really not that hard to support servers as its about as bog standard as bog standard can be. With laptops and desktops where there is just a constant stream of new chipsets, iGPUs and APUs, a bazillion wireless variants? Its damn hard to support that much gear reliably and consistently and frankly with Linux the money just isn't there as the big corps like Red Hat have zero fucks to give about desktop support.
So sorry but with laptops and desktops you are just better off with Windows or ChromeOS where the driver support and stability is just better, there just isn't enough manpower dedicated to all the funky chips to make Linux a good choice for many.
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