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Federal Shutdown May Send Millennial Workers To Exits (techtarget.com)
dcblogs writes: The federal government measures the "engagement" of its federal workforce once a year with a massive survey of 1.5 million employees. And what it has found is that most federal workers are very dedicated to their work. Its most recent survey -- the 2018 Federal Employee Viewpoint Survey -- asked employees if they are "willing to put in extra effort to get their job done," 96% of the survey takers responded affirmatively. Moreover, 91% agreed with the statement that they "look for ways to do their jobs better," and 90% "believe their work is important." But this job dedication is being tested by the U.S. government shutdown, and most at risk of leaving are Millennial-age workers. Less than 6% of federal employees are under the age of 30 and represent half of all people who leave an agency within the first two years. The best employees have options, and "a major concern is that the brightest, hardest-working, and most capable, dedicated government employees may opt out of government service and take jobs in the private sector," Talya Bauer, professor of management at Portland State University in Oregon and president of the Society for Industrial and Organizational Psychology, said. The shutdown could hurt the reputation of the government as a good place to work, she said.
Didn't Trump say he wanted a smaller government? Seems like a quick way to achieve that.
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How credulous do you have to be to think a survey like this means anything? Might as well ask, "Who here doesn't want to get fired?" Damn.
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I'm going to trade that in for the private sector. Even the furloughed workers are going to get paid (for not working) so it's decent work gig.
If you think workers are concerned about politics resulting in a government shutdown, consider this:
If you work in private industry, you can be a victim of a mass-layoff, and you never know its coming, so you should have emergency $$$ savings to prepare for that possibility, just as you should if you work for government - in case of political issues causing funding shortfall come the end of the fiscal year.
With this US government shutdown... employees had more than 60 days' warning that this was extremely likely to happen, essentially; the coming political clash was evident from miles away immediately after the election --- this eventuality became almost certain. Unlike a mass layoff; its presumably going to be temporary, and many furloughed employees will be entitled to automatic back pay - full wages for the time they didn't work, when the deficiency is resolved.
So, not only do they have ample warning to plan and make sure to reign in unnecessary spending: nearly 60 days warning is plenty of time for the best employees to have arranged some kind of alternate work or gig for earning money while on furlough, And after the shutdown's over, they come back on, and get paid double ---- making the whole thing essentially a 20+ day paid vacation where they could amplify their pay
or avail themselves of other opportunities.
What's going to happen when the TSA, which has to work without pay, quits? It's not a great paying job, and these workers are the most likely to quit and work somewhere else. Each time one quits, you have to cover the hours somehow, and it's going to be near impossible to replace them during the shutdown.
We can't operate a country without air travel. This is going to be the lynch pin in the whole system.
The federal government is a great place to work...for free.
"The federal government measures the "engagement" of its federal workforce once a year with a massive survey of 1.5 million employees. And what it has found is that most federal workers are very dedicated to their work. Its most recent survey -- the 2018 Federal Employee Viewpoint Survey -- asked employees if they are "willing to put in extra effort to get their job done," 96% of the survey takers responded affirmatively. Moreover, 91% agreed with the statement that they "look for ways to do their jobs better," and 90% "believe their work is important.""
Okay, I know we pretend these things are serious in office pc meetings but you know only the absolute dumbest people ever say anything else when given options like "willing to put in extra effort to get their job done," in supposedly anonymous workplace surveys.
"But this job dedication is being tested by the U.S. government shutdown, and most at risk of leaving are Millennial-age workers. Less than 6% of federal employees are under the age of 30 and represent half of all people who leave an agency within the first two years."
If they lack job dedication why should we employ them? This seems to make some sort of odd claim that these could be the "best of employees" having no dedication makes you a shit employee by definition.
'When asked if they are "willing to put in extra effort to get their job done," 96% of 2018 survey takers gave a positive result, said Mallory Bulman, vice president of research and evaluation at the Partnership for Public Service, a nonprofit, nonpartisan group that works with government officials on workforce management issues. Moreover, 91% agreed with the statement that they "look for ways to do their jobs better," and 90% "believe their work is important."'
96% sounds amazing... but when you ask that same question of non-government workers in similar jobs, is it any different? Is it higher, lower, ...?
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>> the brightest, hardest-working, and most capable, dedicated government employees may opt out of government service
Wait - I thought you said "Millennials"
Isn't that just what conservatives have been working toward for decades?
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I live near DC and never hear the end of all the moaning and whining when government does a shut-down. I mean, it really does reach the absurd at times. I remember last time there was a shutdown, I was at a full service car wash in Gaithersburg, MD. This lady in front of me rolls in with a high-end luxury full size SUV, and asks to have it fully detailed and waxed. While we're standing in line, she proceeds to tell me how the government shutdown has made everything so stressful for her.... and she just decided to get the car all cleaned up since she had all this time to kill now.
It only took about 2 days of this shut-down before people were on all the news stations, talking about their struggle. (None of them were even close to missing 1 paycheck yet!)
I really do get that the younger people, who just got a first "real job" doing something for Federal govt., would be far more impacted ... But hey, I *never* accepted a government job for this reason. Always felt like the private sector made more sense. I don't like knowing my paycheck is covered by tax revenue they forcibly take from everybody else who works, and everything is subject to voters voting people in or out of office, legislation changing what government plans to do next, etc. Federal govt. jobs have different sets of perks, too, though. It's very difficult to get fired from most government jobs, for example. Even the idiots trying to watch porn while on the job often just got a slap on the wrist and kept their employment.... If you're a real screw up, you sometimes even get a promotion, because it's the only easy way for your superior to get rid of having to deal with you.
Trump will get his Moscow condo building yet! But he'll have to enjoy it only in pictures from prison.
...the government shuts down you!
Lazy gov't workers are the best! They don't give you lip and just go about their business. It's the busybody, in your face, out to prove they're in charge ones that you have to watch out for.
What are millenials doing working for the government anyway. Private sector is on fire. Go make some money while it's easier to make.
Why didn't they do that in the first place?
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http://www.people-press.org/in... this trend needs to stop this movement by both parties to extreme left and right is not working. hopefully with some real pressure it will force these fools more towards the center and get some bloody work done.
A large quantity of patriotic native born Americans, who are millenials, are impacted by this. I personally know of quite a few that had been considering work in data security and in intelligence or law enforcement services for the US who are affected.
How can you trust people when they throw you under the bus because they don't want to look foolish?
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The 2018 report has historical results for the same survey questions from 2014-2018, and 2013 report show results from 2010-2013 (it appears the questions in the summary were introduced in 2010).
"willing to put in extra effort" has remained consistent at 96%. "look for ways to do job better" consistently between 90%-91%. "work is important" consistently between 90%-91%. Basically, government employees' attitudes about these factors has not changed in 8 years (which takes us through one change in President's party, control of the House, and control of the Senate). And there is no evidence to indicate they are changing.
The survey questions whose results did change are:
These are the survey questions which indicate changes in government employee attitude (apparently there was more doom and gloom around 2014). That TFA focuses instead on three survey questions whose results have not changed, and discussed them with respect to a current event which could not yet have influenced the survey results, suggests the authors of TFA were just looking for an excuse to write an opinion piece, not report the news.
Shocking that a government survey "found" this out from a government body. The lazy ones probably didn't bother with the survey, so I guess maybe 50 people answered it?
I've seen what "dedication" looks like from the VA workers that my brother has literally suffered with, as well as my friend's husband that used to work at the VA -- where he was sent home after 38 hours each week!
The majority of people that work for the government are just like the rest of the idiots that you see in the private workforce, except government employees get a guaranteed pension after a very short amount of their live by comparison, and it's incredibly hard to get rid of the truly bad ones.
There's nothing dedicated about that in the general case.
Being a whiny opinionated cunt doesn't pay very well in the private sector ... unless you manage to land a job at Google.
But you're obviously super-duper gay...
There will be no hangings. There will be no jail time. Obviously, the elites don't have to obey the law like us proles, otherwise we would have seen Hillary in prison by now or, on the flip side, we would have seen Mueller do something other than pick up a paycheck. All this talk about hangings and jail is just cheap kabuki theatre.
Having been a fed employee, the problem of younger people leaving has been a problem known for a while. I remember taking a survey around 2006 (may have been the one mentioned in the article) and accompany info for the survey included the high leave rate of young employees. One can deal with less job satisfaction for more job security if they have things such as marriages, kids, mortgages the younger don't have. This shutdown will just encourage a little more of the known issue
Ah, right, there it is: "brightest, hardest-working, and most capable, dedicated government employees"
How many indictments and convictions does Mueller have to produce before people stop this stupid idea that he isn't getting anything done?
This is a very painful part of democratic governance. Like a war need to reflect how to manage better. No easy answers and the challenges go deeper than this conflict.
another job. The reason to work for the government is so you don't have to do that every 2-3 years when the stock price dips a little or the CEO wants a new boat. If you take that away you'll end up with bottom feeders.
But that's kind of the point. The GOP is actively trying to sabotage the government so they can privatize everything and turn every aspect of our lives into cash cows. They even have a name for it, they call it "Starve the Beast".
TL;DR; Put people in charge of government who either don't believe in gov't or believe gov't is only for them and you get bad outcomes. Who knew?
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Is Trump or Hillary in jail yet? No. Wake me up when something of importance happens...
Plenty of millennials in the Coast Guard, who aren't getting paid.
The shutdown could hurt the reputation of the government as a good place to work, she said.
Since when has it had that reputation?
it's only because the GOP has been actively sabotaging the government that this is a problem. This entire shutdown mess is entirely a creation of the GOP.
And I see what you did there with your anecdote where you tell a story with the most obnoxious person anyone can imagine (Big SUV, detailing, of course a Lady because there's a meme for that). Let that rub off on anyone who complains about the shutdown.
I mean, if we're gonna talk about obnoxious folks in the shutdown there's this gem. But there's also a lot of folks trying to figure out how to afford gas. Real Wages are down yet like the article says the GOP base is thrilled. Meanwhile it's not free to go to work. That "hurting the people he's supposed to hurt" lady (meme intended) has a 7 hour commute. Some folks need money for daycare too. Screw this noise.
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And then there's you, the star in a cheap bukaki theatre.
Well, the Tea Party did. They cannibalized the adults in the Republican party with their Libertarian idiocy, which is why your comment is so funny - as if Libertarians would ever be a viable or effective third party, lol. 100% morons.
Thomas Paine would have shot each and every single modern day "libertarian" in their dumbass faces with a Belgian pistol, at any time day or night.
"Being a whiny opinionated cunt doesn't pay very well in the private sector" = That's very true, Trumptard went bankrupt SIX TIMES lol!
Then how about both branches pass a bill, then override the veto. Guess what: will never happen, GOP needs the votes from their base that are more than willing to can them (and if it happens, Trump may even run third party and still win), Dems need the media to hold on to their votes for Beardo or Ms. Stalin.
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Libertarians generally aren't morons, but plenty people who think they're libertarians are.
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What the heck are you talking about?
Young people do not to get stuck in the 2.5% salary increase for the rest of their lives.
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Trump just walked out of a negotiation because he's not being offered 100% of the 5+ billion his punk lying traitor faggot ass weakly demands. He also said "I own the shutdown, okay?" He said that.
You'd have to be beyond retarded to think anyone is going to cave to this weak draft dodging faggot. Mueller will literally send him to the electric chair, Trump is a fucking traitor.
Trump's lawyer and campaign manager and associates are in jail, his son is going, his daughter is going, there are dozens of ongoing investigations sending people to jail as we speak. You're a faggot traitor.
Trump will hang. He sucked Putin's cock on camera, anyone still supporting him should hang with him. Traitors hang. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html
How many indictments and convictions does Mueller have to produce before people stop this stupid idea that he isn't getting anything done?
If there was Russian collusion, then I hope that charges and convictions are coming. I would think that we would have heard about it by now at least. But So far, that's not what we've seen. Here's what's come of the Mueller investigation to date:
George Padadopoulos: Found guilty of making false statements to the FBI.
Paul Manafort: indicted on 25 counts, mainly financial crimes in relation to work with Ukrainian politicians. All prior to working for Trump
Rick Gates: Plea deal for false statements and conspiracy in relation to finances related to working with Manafort. Prior to working for Trump
Alex van der Zwaan: False statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates.
Michael Flynn: Making false statements to the FBI
Richard Pinedo: Identity theft in connection to three Russian companies and/or a dozen or so Russian nationals. No relation to Trump that's been reported.
A dozen Russian officers have been charged in relation to hacking Democrats emails. Another dozen Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted in relation to a propaganda campaign during to the 2016 election. None have been shown to have any connection to Trump.
Michael Cohen: Trump's lawyer pleaded guilty to tax evasion and bank charges in relation to his own personal/corporate finances. Additionally campaign finance violations related to Stormy Daniels et. al. As far as I know, this is the only thing that could even conceivably stick to Trump. But it's campaign finance. Many politicians have been caught for this over the years. Damn near every politician could be convicted for this. It's a nothing charge and certainly has nothing to do with Russian collusion.
If there is any evidence of collusion between Trump and any foreign entity, there has been no report of it to date. This investigation has been going for over a year and a half now. If there was any evidence of collusion, you would think something would have come out by now. The public should be demanding Mueller's head if he's known for over a year and a half that the president of the United States colluded with Russia and sat on it through half of his term.
Ever notice the following facts:
1. Nearly all "shutdowns" occur around the holidays. Congress can push anything off to any date, and yet Democrats and Republicans alike (the ones who've been in DC too long anyway) always manage to cooperate "across the aisle" on one damned thing: making the shutdown fights happen around the holidays.
2. Both political parties always cooperate to make sure the workers get "back pay". In other words: These "shutdowns" only ever take services from the citizenry - the whining, griping, complaining unionized workers in the government who generally have better pay and benefits than the taxpayers are actually getting PAID VACATIONS.
I've seen too many of these fights over the decades to see tham as anything more than what they are: efforts by politicians ON BOTH SIDES to win some intractable argument by trying to get some foaming-at-the-mouth journalists to convince the voters to get angry enough to put fear into one side or the other in congress. If this were a REAL problem, Nancy Palosi would not have just sent the congress home - she'd be working on some sort of compromise with the Republican Senate and the President. As it is, I suspect that she is all too happy to give her supporters in the federal workforce a paid holiday and they in-turn will happily distract the taxpayers from noticing this huge benefit by pretending to be suffering even though they are going to get full pay and benefits while many of them are not showing up to work.
Oh, and if you are too stupid to save-up enought to always have a couple of month's woth of expenses money in the bank (which any federal worker can certainly afford if they've been on the job for more than a year) then you ought to be classed as too dumb to get hired into any job with responsibility. Further more, there are banks and credit unions across the nation offering these workers 0% loans to tide them over during the shutdown - so there's no excuse whatsoever for any federal worker complaining about this, indeed they ought to be required to show up and work since they WILL be paid for that time.
Give me a break. Do you think anyone really cares about Trump's associates being indicted on flimsy/fabricated charges?
As long as Trump remains in office as President of the United States of America, he holds the power of the presidential pardon. Think about that. None of the above is really going to matter as long as Trump holds this power.
Mueller is riding on the tax payer's dole for as long as he can... If Mueller actually came up with something to put Trump away, he would have come out with it, but no, instead he's taking pot shots at Trump's family and friends instead...
What the fuck are you pretending to be offended by? You are CONSTANTLY posting divisive bullshit on here. Your republitards can do zero wrong. Fluffybunny has been on here for ages. There is absolutely zero chance he's a russian spy. The russians did not "long game" Slashdot. They didn't install a sleeper cell here. You aren't that important. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Probably because of their bad credit score due to all of their student loan debt, the record number of degree holders driving up hiring requirements and lowering wages, the mass dumbing down of our society over generations leaving them unprepared for the real world post high school, and the general social stigma of when they were born, has them looking for any job they can get their hands on.
This isn't the 70's anymore grandpa. Times have changed and not for the better. You may be well off, but you started off in calmer waters compared to the shitstorm people starting out today have to put up with.
All but one of my Republican family members leeches off a state or government job (that last one is actually a retired contractor, although he started drinking the modern neocon kool aid in his later life), while telling everyone how if they have problems with the medical coverage their companies give out, or they can get independently in the private sector, maybe they should get a nice cushy government job instead.
Honestly I really wonder how many of the vocalist Republicans are living off government welfare, whether it is called that, or just a cushy job.
Its the Democrats that are in the pockets of the banks. If the bailouts didnt prove it to you, then the fact that campaign donation databases are easily searchable should. The Democrats are the big corporate party going by the only important numbers... the money.
"His name was James Damore."
It's not 135% on a like-for-like job basis, though.
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"willing to put in CUTextra effortCUT pretend/act to work harder to get their job done," 96% of the survey takers responded affirmatively.
96% federal employees aren't doing their job as they should? im shocked, i tell ya! :)
How about clean up your act and set some standards
I know my creditors wait for me to pay my bills never hurts my credit when I cant.
Is THAT what they're calling the little fucking grievance-mongers now?
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Ha ha, well said AC, well said.
Trump IS on record (video is available) as saying he'll accept the blame for the shutdown.
And he IS on record for dodging the Vietnam draft due to, apparently, "bone spurs" (whatever they are).
Dunno about the electric chair, but I strong suspect that Trump doesn't have the best interests of the USA in mind as president, rather the best interests of the Trump family business.
As has been mentioned, with examples, on many other sites including YouTube.
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Because...
if the above is typical of the average USAnian.... well....
May your god/s help you all.
That said, I can't say that I disagree with the AC, like many watching the USA and UK, I think that their current govs are . . . absolutely retarded as evidenced by their actions/inactions.
Kinda full of yourself, aren't you? You don't like polls and think they are a waste of time, all by your own decision. I guess we should just ask you what people think, then, instead of polling thousands...
Moron.
How many have been due to someone specifically saying they want to shut it down and for any period of time needed to get their way in negotiation?
None?
Then I guess THIS "layoff" is very different from any corporate layoff. Unless you want to clam that CEOs also fire people merely to get their pet project funded and that everyone knows about this secret motivation...
It's about 2/3 of private industry pay. Look at the pay of the average C*O and compare to the various secretaries, the same sort of job, just for a "company" of 250million+. Look at upper executive pay in private and compare that to senator/representative pay, they're equivalent.
And when you get to the bottom end, the actual workers, it's still waaay down for government employee.
If it were so damn well paid, why the fuck are you not working there? Or are you too dumb to either work out 135% is better than 100%, or too dumb to get a job in government?
You get stuff for your payments. You take that and refuse to pay. Guess what happens when you fail to pay for stuff you used, retard.
The only way libertarian ideals work is if they are fantasy lands they are applied to. The ideology is completely idiotic in any actual system on planet earth. Yet libertarians insist that it's workable, proving they are morons.
I graduated college in 2007, and after months of looking, got into my present job and profession of construction consulting engineering. I gave my boss a mild scare when I declared at my 2 year anniversary with the company that I was employable now-because so damn many of the job postings I was seeing at the time I was searching advertised "Entry level position-2 years experience required". That's not what entry level means! Of course, I had the fortune of searching during the start of the Great Recession, but I'd be shocked if that bit of idiocy is gone.
Free university education for all makes you smarter. That's what we call "teaching". And you earn more if you have a degree, and that makes you richer. It's what "having more money" means.
Pity that RWNJ ideologies just make you poorer and dumber.
Yes, fiscal responsibility, Constitutional adherence, and staying out of peoples personal lives are horribly "moronic" ideals.
"USAnian"
Is that similar to a Euro-peon?
Ah yes, the "no true libertarian" argument, we've seen this bullshit before. All libertarians are idiots because they are ignoring human nature, which has not changed appreciably throughout recorded history. Libertarianism can only work in an environment free of bad actors, which means it's unworkable.
Libertarians are those who want police protection from those who they would abuse, and are incapable of understanding that if they can buy services that harm others, someone else with more money can do it to them just as easily as they can do it to someone else.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
My career was working at DOD. The feds never took a survey that was honest. There was and is always an agenda. Not to be believed.
Oh well if it's on YouTube, then I guess it couldn't be as cataclysmically stupid as your rendition made it sound.
Translation: "I'm going to pretend anarchists are libertarians, then attack anarchists. See how I can win arguments? I'm a fucking moron."
Translation: "I'm going to pretend anarchists are libertarians, then attack anarchists. See how I can win arguments? I'm a fucking moron."
Libertarianism isn't anarchism, but that's where it would naturally lead. You can't implement it anyway, so no worries there, but it is unfortunate to have the libertarians out there wasting their effort on sky pies.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Move to a barbaric country where you are likely to be killed.
Are you gay? Try Iran or Saudi Arabia.
Reject Islam? Move to Pakistan.
Are you white? There are places in Africa that would like to kill you.
I find that most of the complete fools who are for "open borders" are either people fleeing non-Judeo-Christian nations who want the Judeo-Christian nations to let them in, or idiots who grew up in Judeo-Christian nations and have been so sheltered that they simply assume the other nations are just as good/safe.
Borders are the geo-political equivalent of firewalls - they limit the spread of toxic political and cultural badness. Without borders, the entire world could be easily plunged into global evil dictatorial tyranny and there would be no place to escape to and no place to fight back from.
part of the Department of Transportation and not the Department of Defense.
Their origin is in the collection of tariffs and restriction of smuggling that would avoid those tariffs. All that "saving people" stuff was added later, just like "protect the President" was added to the job of the Secret Service, whose original job was the protection of the currency.
Don't like it that the USCG is not a "mandatory" expenditure? Blame the Democrats who long ago saw to it that vital things like the Pentagon and Department of Transportation are optionally funded every year but most social spending programs are on auto pilot and get auto-funded every year with or without a shutdown. Most of these priorities were locked in during the 40 straight years (prior to 1994) when the Democrats held the House of Representatives.
When properly activated (cannot think of the proper terminology at the moment), the USCG becomes and auxilliary of the US Navy so I suppose Trump *might* be able to get them funded by activating them, but I have not looked into it and it might require an actual declaration of war (which congress would never do).
Screen your calls. Problem solved.
The proper response to debt collectors is polite non-compliance. When I was on unemployment I applied lessons from my "professional deadbeat" bros. I have the proper fuck you attitude and commend it to others.
Unsecured loan/credit card? Fuck 'em. Credit reports are overrated.
Overdue on car payments? Know if your county requires Claim of Delivery paperwork for repos and keep the car tucked away where it's not visible and inaccessible to others. Repo men can't just drive onto your property though many rely on the assumption they may. No Claim of Delivery paperwork? Call the police to remove the trespasser if the repo guy is on your property. The gent I learned repos from did that successfully. (He later surrendered the car to a different repo guy who wasn't a dick.)
The system relies on compliance from uninformed submissives so don't be one. Feel no guilt and fuck the system since it fucks you.
1. Yes, consistent libertarianism would lead to a state in which most if not all human interactions were guided by mutual interest rather than coercion. Some call this "anarchism," but that term is highly ambiguous, so many of us prefer to describe it as "voluntaryism." 2. Libertarianism differentiates itself from most other "isms" not by ignoring human nature, but by advocating social constructs that are compatible therewith. We do not say "humans are flawed, and therefore need to be ruled by other at least equally flawed people," but, rather, "no one has a right to rule over another without consent, and, therefore, human interactions should be governed mostly if not entirely by voluntary, consensual agreement."
Nonaggression works!
He's a puppet of Putin. A disgusting traitor. And the GOP are protecting him. He belongs in jail. Americans are fucked in the head for electing him.