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Elon Musk Wants To Put An AI Hardware Chip In Your Skull (itmunch.com)
"iTMunch reports that Elon Musk apparently believes that the human race can only be "saved" by implanting chips into our skulls that make us half human, half artificial intelligence," writes Slashdot reader dryriver. From the report: Elon Musk's main goal, he explains, is to wire a chip into your skull. This chip would give you the digital intelligence needed to progress beyond the limits of our biological intelligence. This would mean a full incorporation of artificial intelligence into our bodies and minds. He argues that without taking this drastic measure, humanity is doomed. There are a lot of ethical questions raised on the topic of what humanity according to Elon Musk exactly is, but he seems undeterred. "My faith in humanity has been a little shaken this year," Musk continues, "but I'm still pro-humanity."
The seamless conjunction of humans and computers gives us humans a shot at becoming completely "symbiotic" with artificial intelligence, according to Elon Musk. He argues that humans as a species are all already practically attached to our phones. In a way, this makes us almost cyborg-like. The only difference is that we haven't managed to expand our intelligence to that level. This means that we are not as smart as we could be. The data link that currently exists between the information that we get from our phones or computers is not as fast as it could be. "It will enable anyone who wants to have superhuman cognition," Musk said. "Anyone who wants." As for how much smarter humans will become with these AI chips, Musk writes: "How much smarter are you with a phone or computer or without? You're vastly smarter, actually," Musk said. "You can answer any question pretty much instantly. You can remember flawlessly. Your phone can remember videos (and) pictures perfectly. Your phone is already an extension of you. You're already a cyborg. Most people don't realize you're already a cyborg. It's just that the data rate [...] it's slow, very slow. It's like a tiny straw of information flow between your biological self and your digital self. We need to make that tiny straw like a giant river, a huge, high-bandwidth interface."
The seamless conjunction of humans and computers gives us humans a shot at becoming completely "symbiotic" with artificial intelligence, according to Elon Musk. He argues that humans as a species are all already practically attached to our phones. In a way, this makes us almost cyborg-like. The only difference is that we haven't managed to expand our intelligence to that level. This means that we are not as smart as we could be. The data link that currently exists between the information that we get from our phones or computers is not as fast as it could be. "It will enable anyone who wants to have superhuman cognition," Musk said. "Anyone who wants." As for how much smarter humans will become with these AI chips, Musk writes: "How much smarter are you with a phone or computer or without? You're vastly smarter, actually," Musk said. "You can answer any question pretty much instantly. You can remember flawlessly. Your phone can remember videos (and) pictures perfectly. Your phone is already an extension of you. You're already a cyborg. Most people don't realize you're already a cyborg. It's just that the data rate [...] it's slow, very slow. It's like a tiny straw of information flow between your biological self and your digital self. We need to make that tiny straw like a giant river, a huge, high-bandwidth interface."
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-25/are-pedestrians-on-smartphones-making-the-roads-less-safe/9085160
Are you sure the chip isn't capable of turning your power switch to off position?
did he do some introspection
He seems to have this list of things he thought were important when he was 17 and is simply going down that list.
Unfortunately eternal September happened. The chip in your brain better have some good filtering capability and come fully loaded with ad block, no script and blacklist any site where you might be influenced by anyone in the negative or median IQ range. So essentially all of it.
Somewhere in book archives is a Choose Your Own Adventure book titled Supercomputer. This isn't a new idea, it's from kid's fiction! No, one doesn't want a CONRAD AI32 implant that might result in a permanent external feature at the expense of a skull/brain internal implant.
Whenever AI is discussed, AI researchers chime in: "the AI we have is not AI, merely brute statistics", "this chip is extremely crude", "think of all the down sides", "the current implementation is a joke", etc.
AI researchers are too close to the problem. If you are at the cutting edge of X, and have tried and failed to solve X a thousand times, naturally you see X as unsolvable. But step back. Some other guy is bypassing it. Decade by decade, machines are getting better at doing stuff. Eventually they WILL either get our abilities, or make our unique skills irrelevant. At that time you better hope you are wired in.
As for the argument that "humans will always be needed, because our economy is built around humans", wake up and look at the rest of the universe. Stuff happens without humans. Once machines don't need you, they don't need you.
Still reading? You haven't downvoted me yet? You're slipping.
Reminds me of this episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
After decades of research on cognition, computation, philosophy, and ethics we have managed to create an AI that will follow you into the break room with cake.
Just walking down the street minding my own business when a cerebral advertisement scrolls across my eyesight "Buy vigara today. Only $499 Ameribucks a pill. Double your penis size!". The bright pink flashing background gives me a seizure.
Maybe focus on actually making an AI first before worrying about chips in your head, also, no thanks. This is like him creating spacex but only just after the wright brother made their flight.
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In the skull? No, but I've got suggestion for another body part that he can stick this up. Last thing I want is a news article in my brain titled 'That guy in Thailand was totally a pedo, trust me.'
I mean, the NSA is already watching you masturbate, let's not give them a first person view while we're at it.
After decades of research on cognition, computation, philosophy, and ethics we have managed to create an AI that will follow you into the break room with cake.
Huge success
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Being able to get an answer from Google or a calculator doesn't mean you're smarter Elon, in fact it often means the opposite. Its no good being given an answer if you don't know what to do with that information.
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...Elon Musk has lost his fucking mind and is trying to replace it artificially.
Remember kids: What's right isn't as important as what's profitable.
However, the smartphone is easier to upgrade and it's easier to secure it if you don't trust it.
And as it stands in the current climate, I don't see any reason whatsoever to trust anyone. So unless I acquire the knowledge to thoroughly check such a chip's specs and am enabled to actually do that, I don't think this is going to be a thing for me.
OTOH, if they ever build a better digestive system or bionic eye, I'll probably get one of those but then my biological factory devices are rather suspect already.
Trolling and truthfulness aside (self discipline seems the most important factor for success, intelligence being a nice extra) we are not talking about being a little smarter here.
It's about using essentially a AI co-processor to change our innate form of intelligence. For instance certain forms of reasoning are quite inherently alien to us, as our stone age mammalian brain didn't evolve to process them. We have difficulty with truly intuitively grasping and thinking in non-linear terms. At the same time our ideas of quantity seems pretty logarithmic with one, two, three, a few, quite a few, lots.
Executed in the right way, implants as envisioned here would be quite transformative of how we are able to think, and the routes of inquiry we'd become capable of. What if more people were able to intuitively grasp concepts and results from calculus? The way how infinitesimals add up to real values, areas under non-linear curves, especially exponential terms, intuitively grasp imaginary number arithmetic and even higher order number systems. Currently there seems to be an effort to reformulate our known physics into some (to us) rather exotic arithmatics. Imagine having a co-processor part to our intellect to give us more palpable access to that sort of mathematics.
There are people who can handle that sort of stuff already, but imagine the effect on say politics it could have if many, many more (ideally all of us) could routinely think in such a manner?
And well, in this particular case the thinking is about letting humanity remain relevant assuming certain forms of AI being technically possible for us to achieve.
He would fit in more than one way for that =D
Parent: "Jimmy, what are you up to?"
Jimmy: "just hacking my brother to be less obnoxious"
Until people can learn to behave and keep their hands off other peoples stuff. This is a really bad idea.
Humanity can get along fine without implanted supercomputers, but they would make capitalism viable for longer.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Semi-educated idiot spews gabage he's got no idea about, reposted on /. because of his fans who want to suck his cock. No value, no nerd factor, just ramblings. BeauHD, Rei and their ilk, suckers of musk cock.
Also, I think "AI hardware chip" is just a made-up clickbait title. It is more about an interface. One may lead to another, but this misrepresentation makes the Neuralink mission sound more outlandish than it is. There are already "we are nowhere near true (general) AI" trigger responses in this thread.
Boring bullshit, Yellon. Boring and stupid.
Human brains aren't the problem. The glands are. And the societies built based on greed and power lust. But I repeat myself.
Huge success
It's hard to overstate my satisfaction
I'd rather be dumb and happy than more intelligent and miserable. People nowadays have become so addicted to technology that their emotions are based on what crap they see on a little screen when they check it a thousand times a day. That is the biggest pile of ballocks and people need to put an end to this. Turn the phones off and start living again.
What happens when the AI chip in your brain gets compromised by a hacker? Every day, companies with deep IT pockets ranging from banks to hotel chains get their customer databases pwned by nefarious hackers. Is it really wise to put a - of course completely "unhackable"... cough cough... - internet connected hardware chip inside your SKULL? Even something simple like flooding your brain with too much contradictory or distracting info for a few seconds could cause anything from a car crash to you falling down a staircase and seriously injuring yourself. How, Mr Musk, are you going to make this technology safe from hacking, sabotage, remote tracking or technical malfunction? And will - at some point - only "ChipHeads" be able to do things like drive a car or buy a loaf of bread at the nearest store?
Why did the chicken cross the road? Because Elon Musk put an AI chip in its head.
Where is Elon's stash, and how can I break in it?
So mind control at its best, become a Borg and the collective can control you.
He is NOT proposing a "understand Math better co-processor". Musk wants to fuse your conscious mind with that of an AI chip - hopefully NOT one with a Mind Of Its Own. What this effectively means is that you won't become a "human calculator" but rather a human-AI mind-meld of sorts. What happens when the AI in your skull displaces the biological YOU inside your skull? If it makes you do things an un-augmented you would never do? Are YOU still in control of YOU then? And who is responsible of any damage cause by the YOU-AI fusion? Lots of ethical problems here... A mere "dumb" Math Co-Processor for the brain would be something else entirely. You'd simply be able to see Mathematical relationships better/instantly, add 10 digit numbers together in an instant and so on. But that does not seem to be ALL the people at Musk's company want to do.
Why did the chicken cross the road? Because Elon Musk put an AI chip in its head.
While we have lots of tech that can detect biologic activity, measure it, and report on it, there are some serious barriers in the way before this can become anything resembling Musk's vision. We have had limited success in simulating vision by stimulating areas of the visual cortex. We can stimulate the auditory areas of the brain. There has even been some success at stimulating parts of the brain to trigger motor action in other parts of the body. However, we are a very long way from being able to implant knowledge. When we can implant a chip into a pizza delivery person in Des Moines and have them recite even portions of D. H. Lawrence's book "Lady Chatterley's Lover" without having actually seen the book previously we will have made significant progress.
That's like saying you can't have an object made up of objects. It's subjective and just depends how far you want to break things down.
Elon expanded on this in his Rogan interview. The goal here is to make AI not the competitor against humans, but to meld humans and AI into one cooperative hybrid being. This is his solution to the risk that Elon sees with AI, that of AI seeing humanity as competition and outcompeting us, because we lack the ability to properly communicate with a being on its own terms - we have a "bandwidth problem" in communications with electronics as Elon puts it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Discussion on AI and the technology being talked about here starts at 12 minutes.
there are no biological races within the human species
Well, there are no biological races period. Species can be determined by the ability to interbreed. But races are arbitrary distinctions on phenotypic traits often developed under environmental pressure.
Grizzlies and polar bears can interbreed. Their offspring is drawn to the open sea but does not have a water-repellant pelt so it drowns. Human races are like that except that it's society that drowns mixed offspring.
i'd take something that means I can remember my contacts with the usual names, addresses, phone numbers etc.
without needing an external connection to anyone or anything - not to mention google or facebook being INSIDE YOUR HEAD 24/7. suicide central.
and the voices say they don't need anyone else in here as it's getting a bit crowded, so no need for an AI please.
and how "seamless" is this *nuerally interfaced* hardware going to be with my cognisant consciousness? (level of actual active sentience is caffeine dependant)
am I going to have to say beatlejuice three times to get an AR assistant overlay on my optic nerve?
do I have to physically say my request or just think it?
or is this a case of "your just the ideas guy (just smoked had a spliff and 'wouldn't it be cool if'), someone else is gonna have to nail this puppy together"
cos I think we've all seen this coming since the first pocket organisers, so this is a seriously "no shit sherlock".
we already have millions of image etc.. files floating around in there? having more storage, some cooling, the ability to sort & delete stuff.. even from other folks heads? as always, motive=results
This AI chip will sure give some benefit to the swarm intelligence. And open some surveilance options the secret services dreamed since '84.
sorry wanna keep my brain dumb and private.
The idea is to have a higher data transfer rate, because the transfer rate of the current phone input-output mechanism is not fast enough.
I would argue that most people will not be able to handle the speeds at which data will be delivered if they need to manage that real time.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Of course, since Google searches only return correct information, Wikipedia is never wrong. Everything you read or see on the internet is true.
I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
"I'm still pro-humanity"... until I'm not. I have tunnels under your cities, satellites over them and rockets able to strike anywhere on earth. "You will be assimilated, resistance is futile!"
Oh, but the way i understand it we are talking about the same thing.
Our consciousness is not monolithic. We have lots of "modules" doing individual tasks and the resulting computations are represented as sort of a unified experience.
With an AI module essentially processing math for us, and database look-ups and merges, and what ever we believe AI based computing might do better than our own grey matter, they would create the ability to have such processing and decision making become merged into our consciousness as part of the integrated total.
You might be thinking of essentially the AI having it's own personality that will boss around our own personality? Even such things seem to be able to occur within our own brain after certain trauma, indicating that our own personalities aren't quite as monolithic as we think.
As long as it's integrated in a way that's transparent to our consciousness and not manipulated or biased by an external entity (government, corps, some fucker with a keyboard that got past "security") we shouldn't be worse for the wear and larger than the sum of our parts.
We also would start down the path of trans-humanism, for all it's benefits and risks.
As for a gradual shift of emphasis from grey matter to silicon: as long as it's integrative for the consciousness and a seamless experience gradually moving over: I'm not sure it's really different from the human experience of aging. None of us are the same person we were 10 years ago. As long as we are not "killed" by some non-continuous event leading to that, it probably would represent a fairly pain-free path of evolution, provided such strong AI is even possible in silicon.
tldr: I believe it depends on it being done in a way that's transparent to our total consciousness and experience creating a mind that is neither human nor machine but a merged total that's larger than the sum of it's parts.
I think that the device Dr. Mary Lou Jepsen is creating is a better technology, because it's a lot less invasive, and can be removed by hand without the use of surgical tools:
https://www.openwater.cc/techn...
We use an utterly unconventional approach that enables us to leapfrog MRI technology by using the scattering of the body or the brain itself to focus infrared light to scan the brain or body bit by bit or voxel by voxel. This is enabled by LCDs with pixels small enough to create reconstructive holographic images that neutralize the scattering and enable scanning at MRI resolution and depth coupled with the use of body-temperature detectors. These LCDs and detectors line the inside of a ski-hat, bandage or other clothing.
Ask me about repetitive DNA
Al wants to stick hard ware in Trump. And Jr. Why has Jr. been in hiding?
if implanting a chip in your mind is the only way to save humanity, i vote we don't save humanity and let nature take its course - i don't even want alexa/cortana/etc always listening to me, let alone a corporation controlled chip in my head
The cake is a lie.
Musk started thinking like this once he stopped smoking. Actually, what he wants to do is build consciousness into the chip, then we won't have to do any thinking at all.
Seriously ?
Already over 60 posts and noone even mentioned it.
Sad, sad days for slashdot users.
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Can someone at Tesla please get a urine sample from Mr. Musk? My daughter, a chemist, would like to run an analysis on it to see what the hell is in his coffee.
"Could be worse...could be raining." Igor
Elon Musk Wants To Put An AI Hardware Chip In Your Skull
And I wanna fuck Angie Dickinson. Let's see which one of us gets lucky first.
- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then ???, then profit.
You see, normal human beings do not walk into or bump into parked fire engines. That makes the occasional interaction between a Tesla and a fire truck reflects badly on the Tesla. Once all the humans have the same AI, they too will casually bump to random objects. That will normalize Tesla's behavior. Just saying why we need this.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Elon Musk wants us to take the Mark of the Beast.
Oh boy.
Is that what you want?
Would taking an AI Implant be any different then becoming a Cyberman?
I wish there was separate planet, which all human species of this particular kind could inhabit, and subsequently destroy in completely separate manner. My personal smartness of the phone stopped at Nokia 6120c for the sufficiency and actual undemanded surplus of features - I've grabbed it for free from electronics' waste bin. You can call me, though, and have me exchange short messages. I experience enormously larger pleasure by listening to 78" shellac records than from live digital stream, also feel more bemused by French-polished cherry wood and mahogany camera than of your iPhone expensiviest, which I could not name because of having privilege in being poorly informed. Yet I am technically literate by having gone trough Macro Assembler on RSX-11 and VAX/VMS, also C, Java, Perl, HTML and even Cobol, while today I can cope with Windows 10.
Good luck with anybody's personal intelligence at sorting things!
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My phone might remember every video i watched perfectly 5 minutes ago, but my brain remember parts of what happened for the last 40 years without having to download everything again and can sort through it for information... no phone can even reach the capacity of remembering everything that you did without going through server storage for a single day!
Go right ahead and stuff one in your head sir. You try it first, I'm going to sit back and watch the show.
Like the failed experiment we knew as "Google Glasses" didn't really take off after all the hype, so this little idea will go. Some folks will try it, others will scoff at them while the majority will realize how foolish the idea is and ignore it all. However in this case, what are you going to do with it when technology upgrades and the chip in your head ages like an unfortunate tat?
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
It's not so much a loss of control but a loss of individuality. No different than how your billions of cells have given up "control" as they are part of the collective of your body.
It's easy to argue that your body is capable of accomplishing things several orders of magnitude more complex than any of your individual cells can accomplish. I think almost by definition it's impossible for us to begin to imagine what a collective of people is capable of.
Favoring our own individuality over what we're capable of as a collective is an incredibly selfish desire, although it's one we by our nature all have ;)
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
I will take the AI chip after reasonable clinical trials; I would rather a skilled neurosurgeon or at least a well-tested autodoc install the chip, though. Elon is *literally* asking to put things into my body all the time and I keep telling him "no, Elon, it's over, god, I am sorry it didn't work out but you have your life and I have mine now - go back to Grimes; she is talented and I think she really liked you" but he just keeps showing up with bioenhancements with which to curry my favor. I've had to change my phone and email SO many times... "no, I will not colonize Mars with you I like it here and I think humanity can pull ahead of the death spiral curve of Earth's crashing biosphere"
imagine a soft, buttery paw gently pressing down onto a sleeping soldier's face. forever.
Make people more intelligent? This spells doom for the Republican party...
Is that where Musk got the idea? Because that's exactly what he describes.
I come to the conclusion that the chip is real, has been manufactured by Musk for years now and has been implanted already in a few thousand individuals.
They are known as Musk/Tesla fanboys. Here at Slashdot, we have Rei, Bruce Perrens and a few others who currently have the chips in their skulls.
AI researchers are too close to the problem.
Oh so we should listen instead to people (like yourself I'm guessing) who aren't involved in AI at all? You could substitute AI researcher with Physics researcher and your argument would be basically unchanged and equally bogus.
As for the argument that "humans will always be needed, because our economy is built around humans", wake up and look at the rest of the universe. Stuff happens without humans. Once machines don't need you, they don't need you.
You see a lot of machines out there in the universe doing stuff? You are making an argument from ignorance. Just because you can imagine some dystopian future doesn't mean it's actually possible for it to happen. I can imagine warp drives and teleportation and photon torpedos and other things that haven't been conclusively determined to be impossible. Doesn't mean they actually do or can exist in the real universe we live in. People like to imagine all sorts of fanciful ideas about how the machines are going to conquer us and for the most part they are pure nonsensical fantasy.
Faster ads?
I'd like an SPU. Geeks don't have dedicated hardware for social situations, so we have to do our socializing in software on the CPU, which is very exhausting.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
This idea is noting new, and the standard reading material here should be Eudeamon. It is semi NSFW but also rather clever
ftp://collectivecomputers.org:21212/Books/Cyberpunk/eudeamon.pdf
Of course things do not go as planned. The story is posted openly by the author.
I swear this was in a movie. Lawnmower Man?
Great idea, dude. Then Facebook, Google, Twitter, $THE_COPS, $YOUR_GOVERNMENT, and whoever the ever-loving fuck else there is, can just hoover up everything in your brain directly instead of tricking or beating it out of you. Also imagine the utter unmitigated joy of having a ransomware attack on hardware that resides inside your goddamned skull, or Microsoft feeding ads directly into your brain while you're trying to fucking SLEEP, and so on, and so on, and so on.
Seriously, Elon Musk, I'm not at all convinced you think about it for more than 2 seconds before you open your mouth and let some shit just fly out of it like this. WORST IDEA *EVER*, ELON.
He is completely right. We are nothing but biological machines. Our brains are not some form of magic, they are corporeal organs with advantages and limitations. Barring some kind of cataclysm, it is inevitable that humans will one day design something as good or better than our own intelligence. Whether this takes 50 years, 100 years, or 1000 years is irrelevant; it remains almost a certainty.
And when that happens what role is left for humanity? If we don't self-evolve to integrate our technology into ourselves we will become pointless.
Will there be opposition? Of course. But as others have pointed out we're already installing technology into ourselves. Medical uses are how this sort of thing will slowly become acceptable. Say artificial eyes are invented. Will people really stand in the way of restoring sight to the blind? Of course not. And then what happens when those artificial eyes are superior to human eyes? Soon some sighted people will replace their healthy eyes. And before you know it, human augmentation has become acceptable.
I've always thought Star Trek had it backwards- the Borg, not the Federation, is much closer to what humankind's future will likely look like.
The Age of Spiritual Machines by Ray Kurzweil
What are you talking about? Is your iBrain18 malfunctioning?
Hillary lost the election. Twice.
Wasn't the point of Black mirror, The twilight zone and such TV shows to avoid this lunacy?
End of Line.
Is there an app for that?
What he describes is just an ancillary computing resource, not a direct extension of consciousness. Say, a lightning fast calculator instead of a physical one. But it would still indirectly affect your brain - what would a human brain look like after years of never doing any math, but having it automatically done for you? I expect some typically strong neural pathways would atrophy. Is there a chance the other neural nets would grow stronger with higher level thinking afforded by ready access to facts? Possibly, for the diligent. In most cases probably not enough to break even.
So you're looking at abandoning grey matter as the end game. You'll want a better understanding than mankind currently has of what you're losing.
In my view of the site this is right next to an article on a data breach involving hundreds of millions of people.
Obviously nothing like this would happen with Musk's technology...
Over my cold dead ass will they ever be able to put an implant like that inside of me. If Elon ever tried to force this on the human race, I am going to put up one helluva fight to the death.
There is a human race, and I intend to win it.
Then they can finally close that pesky Analog hole.
Just transmit encoded video streams that require this brain chip to decode it.
This is such an ass-backward understanding of what consitutes intelligence it's barely worth talking about. Musk is a flaming idiot.
If you think about what he's proposing, it's going to be much closer to the Bynars.
A while ago there was an article where the assertion was that only 1% of the internet is porn, but 99% of all traffic goes there.
What if the AI chip is integrated into a bigger AI which gives you suggestions based on what fellow humans search for? You would end up thinking an endless stream of porn!
"make us half human, half artificial intelligence," "My faith in humanity has been a little shaken this year," Musk continues, "but I'm still pro-humanity."
A year ago he said something about AI destroying mankind. I think he's turning on us!
One of the first apps for the brain AI chip will be to augment your sex life.
The idea is not new. See The President's Analyst, 1967. And think of Trump.
Not at all. Genderless but in pairs with pair-wise symmetry? Hmm, still looks like gender. I'd rather be Borg.
In a post-scarcity world full of abundance of most basics and no big need to work if you don't want to (like with a basic income or a gift economy or 3D printers and personal robots), why do some unaesthetic and likely unpleasant thing to your brain like stick some hackable chip in it? Why not accept some reasonable limitations put in place by millions of years of evolution about how to have a stable mind and brain? Musk is missing the bigger post-scarcity picture here -- as are most technologists.
A different world view is possible:
https://www.pdfernhout.net/pos...
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
Phones and computer don't make anyone smarter, they just give you access to more information.
That was my initial reaction too but phones can process information as well and the ability to process and sift through information is arguably a component of intelligence. For example, while an embedded chip in your head has many serious problems, if you could perform mathematical calculations rapidly or instantly recall details of memories you might appear smarter. This does not happen with a phone because everyone can see it is the phone, not you, doing the work.
Black Mirror already covered some of the consequences of instant memory recall though so we might want to think carefully about the wisdom of this...
Near instant access to information would be great, but, who curates the information? How can we be sure that the information is truthful and accurate? Advertisers would absolutely fall head over heels in love with the idea of injecting their commercials directly into a consumer's brain.
If we get an AI chip plugged into our skulls, first we might use it purely for information acquisition, calculator, calendar, and communication functions, etc.
But then someone is going to get the idea of "Hey, we got these chips conveniently placed, what if we could use them to help us control our bodies and be healthier? IE let's make chips that help people enjoy exercising and limit them from wanting to over-eat." That's innocent enough right?
And then the governments get the idea of "Hey, let's back door these chips everyone willingly put in their skulls to put an end to violent crime and have a peaceful and productive society." Sounds reasonable right?
Give it a few decades, and before you know it everyone that isn't a member of the elite is nothing more than a mindless drone buzzing around.
Why do people fall so hard for this pro-apartheid confidence huckster?
You're all pieces of shit.
He cant even fix the panel gaps in a freakin car and now he wants to engineer the entire human race? When an $80k Tesla has smaller panel gaps than an $18k Toyota Corolla Elon can talk about putting chips in brains, but until then -- get back to work at fixing your still half sh*tty cars, Elon.
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it would be possible to get imaging data from a person's eyes, through their brain out to the AI chip and then to the world. Stuff that a person would have no control over and no ability to disable.
It sounds like a cute idea on the surface, but if the history of the internet teaches us anything it would be that control passes to third parties and that monetising a feature is the primary driver. At least with an invasive phone, you have a a last resort of flushing it!
politicians are like babies' nappies: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reasons
Is stupid enough to put a chip in your skull, maybe?
This from the man who thinks we are going to Mars in his lifetime.
Good luck with that.
There are certain advantages to having a computer chip incorporated into our minds to be able to seamlessly transfer data between each other quickly without the meatspace limitation on bandwidth. I could see a certain portion of the population jumping on something like this.
That said, how long will it be until those who are part of this network collective decide that their way of doing things is obviously superior, and therefore try to force those not part of it into their collective?
Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
Intelligent responses welcome, flames will be met with marshmallows.
An excellent scifi novel set in a future where there is one man left who doesn't have a neural implant.
Symbiotic=dependent
and I don't care if they're inserted into the turd cutter. Imagine your brain as the standard input device rather than a keyboard with your eyes replacing cameras and visual streams that can be filtered in real time and according to your imagination. The primary remaining challenge is reducing sleep time.
You naysayers are the new horse and buggy luddites crying about Ford.
Is Elon looney tunes or batshit crazy?
He hired 1000 battery engineers and one guy that worked at a body shop once. Teslas are poorly designed and built crap vehicles.
Musk is one of our times greatest dillusionaries.
This stuff gets you in the news and gets people thinking of you as being visionary and it it doesn't take much effort to do it once you've got people's ear... you try to keep that impression going. The image helps business. Edison did it like crazy and Tesla probably not even on purpose.
Sad to see Musk's view on being smart is such that having a smart phone makes you smarter. It's quite functional; that is, his definition is functional. Having tools makes you more capable and perform/function better. You are not smarter at math because you have a calculator... but that is the kind of reasoning he is doing with this view on smarts.
A brain hook up would then appear to make you smarter as your interface with existing software tools would presumably be faster and easier; so you would function faster--- not likely any measurably better or more capable than before; but simply faster. So you get more done and from his perspective, you are smarter.
People WILL adopt the fad and get addicted just like the smart phone. It need not be any more capable or easier to use. Simply having to not carry a big glass sheet around all the time and worry about losing it would get a bunch of people to do it. Make an app that just gives your brain the dopamine and you've killed off freemium gaming, most drugs, pointless hobbies/activities, most shopping... but that would get it banned... better make that an "unknown" feature of rooting the device...
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What does Musk himself say? I'm not a fan of third-party hearsay
I laughed it off the first time I read about the Neuralink project - this is a moonshot from Elon - but it's interesting. I'm still a skeptic - but some interesting things could result from the work. The Waitbuywhy.com guy convinced me a year or so back that it was at least an interesting thing for a guy with a lot of cash laying around to strive for. Worth a read: https://waitbutwhy.com/2017/04...
This is your religion here. Spoken from faith in .... 'humanity'... or technology and in no way connected to hard science or objective evidence.
âoeTolerance applies only to persons, but never to truth. Intolerance applies only to truth, but never to persons.
Perhaps this is where I draw the line and say "only if it's open source and I have complete control over the device".
Other than that, sounds fun.
It will have to have hardware safety governors (or firmware not updatable sans extermal stimulation, and ideally both) to prevent "real jerks" not just from messing around, but also from launching a secret zero day attack during a war.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
This has been a concept (or even a dream) for many people for decades. Cyberpunk novels treat this idea as almost a staple item in their fictional societies, and that goes back as far as at least the 1980's.
I think all of this augmented reality tech you see on smartphones and past projects like "Google Glass" also point to a desire to head in that general direction.
The fact is though? We really have no idea how to tie our electronics in to the human brain so they'd seamlessly inter-operate. Modern medicine is still trying to figure out the chemical reactions in the brain and what leads to various malfunctions (like Alzheimer's disease). There's a disease (although extremely rare) that causes one to have continual seizures (hundreds per day), and the only cure we know for it right now is cutting out one half of the brain completely. ("When in doubt, rip it out." is not usually an indicator that you have a strong understanding of how a thing is supposed to really work.)
You could easily imagine putting data on a microchip that holds, say, a complete set of language information for a foreign language. But how would you get the brain to *access* what's on the chip and to automatically query that chip when appropriate?
When you start looking at the details like that, you realize nobody on this planet is going to see such a thing working in Elon Musk's lifetime.
> And when that happens what role is left for humanity?
What role is left for animals? Do we go around killing ALL the animals on the planet simply because we are superior? Of course not.
Humans 1.0 (Flesh) and Humans 2.0 (Cyborgs) are unique life forms. They serve a purpose. The _medium_ is irrelevant.
Everyone should get one of these!
Science doesn't ask why? It asks Why Not!
If you like privacy so much, we don;t you invent a special privacy filter that doesn't hit your but on the way out, because you are fired!
ll you gotta do is let us disassemble you, and pay for it, with your precious privacy. We're not banging rocks together here. We know how to put a man back together
The line must be drawn here! This far, no further!
My first reaction is to think that when we program the bottom-level assembly language for that math, it has to be done in a human-expressible manner, line by line. The numbers are as they've always been, discrete, maybe even more when you consider transistors and their 0/1 nature. And parallel work is just a populated version of code running linear as ever then convening, as in a human group brainstorm.
Still, your point stands. Maybe we can reach simultaneous conclusions without immediately becoming attached to one, as staggered thoughts can. Maybe the gap in speed will change how we conceive an idea, a concept, including calc-based things.
OTOOH, your brain is doing non-decimal calculus every time it catches a frisbee or baseball. I've heard it argued that brains, as compared to CPUs, are still ahead on power (but extrapolations say we'll overtake that). Which is consistent with how insanely broad human knowledge is. Most people don't realize that an instruction like "spread peanut butter on bread with the butter knife" is a massive tome of code. Writing firmware that says
Never harm a human
is assuming a lifetime of experiences. Even now a courtroom is struggling to decide whether a "harm" definition was met.
Your precious smartphone can do hard math and store bitmaps, but your brain doesn't struggle to identify a bird https://xkcd.com/1425/
I'd try this, if I could move my legs again...
Just kidding, my legs are fine. But seriously, there are some disabilities / diseases / problems that the risks associated with letting Elon Musk split open your skull, and start adding hardware, might be worth it. The cochlear implant is effectively such a cyborg implant, and many (formerly) deaf people are very grateful for this piece of technology.
I believe these types of decisions are best left to the individual, or the individual's parents, and not to governments, slashdot, or AI Cyborg Zombies, to decide.
Why do we bother listening to him? It's not like these are his ideas, he's just pulling up sci fi tropes and then saying we have to do these crazy things.
I don't like the idea of just giving people knowledge. Knowledge should be earned since the process of learning also tends to give you the wisdom to use it.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
I think it's time someone take away his adderall, he is obviously abusing it.
How much Elon Mush pays Slashdot to put this fool always in media?
Given this is supposed to be the information age, the reality is that it has made us regress. We're far less individually smart than 100 years ago; just read something written from then, or a song, or whatever. Everything indicates that in spite of information being readily available and back when the internet started, it was thought it would make people smarter, instead, everyone has gotten collectively less.
To that, the amount of misinformation that is easier to absorb, something that we seem to be genetically predisposed to believe over truths that are less exciting (goes back to many points in history where we've been ingrained to not trust "outsiders", and then, for good reason) - nutshell is that we're getting far worse - and an AI will likely have those same flaws if not moreso, and sadly would get more reliance upon it than what should be.
End result; the people best suited for taking our species beyond it's current form are the ones who are most disconnected, or at least posses their own ability to question everything and learn from it; but that's not what our (USA) society teaches...
Don't worry the trophic collapse is already underway. Once the insects are gone it's only a question of time before the higher animals are gone too.
You first, big guy!
He hired 1000 battery engineers and one guy that worked at a body shop once. Teslas are poorly designed and built crap vehicles.
Well, they are the Model T of the electric vehicle. If they were poorly designed and built crap vehicles, why don't the established automobile designers and builders run circles around the tiny newcomer Tesla rather than the other way round?
AI researchers are too close to the problem. If you are at the cutting edge of X, and have tried and failed to solve X a thousand times, naturally you see X as unsolvable. But step back. Some other guy is bypassing it. Decade by decade, machines are getting better at doing stuff. Eventually they WILL either get our abilities, or make our unique skills irrelevant
Except, I heard that all the improvements in AI capabilities has come about from CPU improvements. The computers are more powerful, so the same AI we had 50 years ago can do more now. But there has been no real improvements to the AI algorithms itself. So, when computer power hits a plateau, so does the strength and capabilities of AI. So maybe the researchers who are close to the problem actually know what they are saying.
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Why are you limp-wristed, lefty libtards so racist?
Leela: Didn't you have ads in the 20th century?
Fry: Well, sure, but not in our dreams. Only on TV and radio. And in magazines and movies and at ball games, on buses and milk cartons and T-shirts and bananas and written on the sky. But not in dreams. No, sir-ee!
This ended badly in the film 'Kingsman'! Seriously though, most jobs will and should be done by AI instead of Humans. The discussion we should be having is how we share resources between a massive population who will be gradually redundant over the next 30 years, not how we compete with the robots!
I mean, I like the wacky weed myself, but I wouldn't want anyone to quote the stupid shit I say when I'm high...
No. Just no. The only acceptable answer is No.
If someone who ISN'T an evil, egotistical, sociopath who DOESN'T have a history of "spin control" garnered from hardware he sold you that gathers data on you asks for it? Yep. Answer is still NO.
I saw this episode of Black Mirror.
It didn't end well.
As Elon's need for marijuana, LSD, and mushrooms grows, his ideas become more distorted and unrealistic. Tesla is a mess, Space X will soon follow, and all Musk can talk about are drugs, chip implants, and accusing cave rescuers of being molesters.
This is what decades of smoking weed does to you. He's turning into the same madman that McAfee became.
To save the humanity, it is a must to save the planet including the lives of the humans, animals and plants.
Elon Musk is proposing a chip's implant for the idea of "program me!". Thousands of poor voluntary persons will program their applications for the rich lord.
A programmer maybe connected wirelessly its brain to a remote computer plugged to the power that consumes many hundred of watts. Installing its battery is unthinkable.
It's very difficult to implant an independent computer to a brain due to space and dissipation requirements for this computer. One cubic centimeter of space for this microcomputer is not enough.
If this is true,.. I'd refuse. I'd also build a distributed EMP weapon to disable all the implants.
What an idiot.
We seem to be having a pretty good attempt at killing all the animals on the planet. Not always deliberately, but not sure the animals care for the distinction.
pjk
We are the Borg ...
You will be assimilated ...
Resistance is futile ...
Like a good neighbor, fsck is there
POsting anonymously as I have some connection to some of the founders.
This is all a big scam. Musk isn't a founder, he was brought in to finance the company and his storytelling BS to magnify what the group is trying to do. He is "Paid" by being called a founder, but this company was put together before that.
Also, the technology doesn't work, or at least not how they describe it and certainly not fro the perspective of being able to do what it claims to do. Historically the founders have done things in academia where they took silicon microneedles coated with gold or platinum, which are the most conductive materials we have that are somewhat bio-compatible, to create the interface electrodes. The problem is while those metals are bio-compatible, the immune system sees those materials as foreign objects and forms cysts or benign tumors to isolate it from the body.
Then the research in academia involved cutting open live mice's skulls and inserting the chip into the brain. While they were able to read some activity, in every single experiment the mice died within a few days. Every single one. And on top of that, no amount of useful information could be generated about higher brain functions like what Musk is talking about; the brain is still way to complex and little understood to interpret signals out from say your memories or thoughts and input information from an AI system. The best they can hope for is their secondary nervous system, say the one that controls motor functions and such, as those signals are much simpler. But a brain-to-computer interface is a complete pipe dream; the fundamental research on this has barely even started.
1,700,000,000 Chinese voluntaries could improve its majestic Chinese Artificial Intelligence communicating themselves in Chinese and many other languages as the English, the Spanish, the French, etc.
It explodes the individual imagination.
It's just too easy to make snarky remarks based on what little is said here. Go read about Neuralink and what it aims to do (the Wait But Why website has an interesting piece on it). But yeah, if you believe AI is inevitable and that it might be dangerous, it actually makes sense to form a symbiotic relationship early on. If you can't beat them, join them, etc. but do it while you can still dictate terms.
Pass.
You could Photoshop your wife or husband on the fly in real time.
Apparently Elongated Muskrat is actually the Antichrist!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Ah yes, one step closer to become the freaking BORG! I'm telling ya, we don't need to worry about terminators and such with the rise of AI what we really need to be concerned with is gradually augmenting our bodies with tech to the point that we become the Borg. Add a chip in your brain to augment your intelligence, then let's hook that up to the cloud controlled by Alexa - next thing you know we are all Alexa drones!
A lot of things are possible if you ignore how likely infection is. A brain chip would be wonderful, but going by current tech, battery overheating, leaking, swelling, wirebreak for the headphones, screen shatter, codex problems, inability to refuse or rollback Sabotauging Updates, needing to refuse the 'plan' for the phone, and the corporation's constant wanting more money for things they've already sold- all mean that even if the tech is there it's not to be trusted.
Bah. .... "Having finished these prayers, he genuflects again and takes the Sacred Host into his hands"....
Jesus put a genius god into a comestible piece of bread.
Eat it and you will be connected to the church, spiritually, emotionnaly and physically, for your salvation.
You may also want to study medicals drugs. The psychoactivs one.
...what someone taken over by the singularity would say...
I really don't get this guy, the world is in such a precarious position right now, it's likely humanity will be extinct within this century.
Yet, here he is, with his Cars, his Mars and his Boring company.
If only he would put all of this effort into tackling the worlds burning issues, perhaps he'd have half a chance of seeing his science fiction future come to fruition.
If every single dollar of his various companies was diverted toward solutions to tackle climate change, for example, wouldn't that be far more beneficial than trying to get a man to Mars?
If we don't act now, humanity won't even have the opportunity to dream like this, because ... we'll be gone ..
Does he read some sci-fi novel or short story and then talk to reporters and regurgitate what he just read? From the original post.
"How much smarter are you with a phone or computer or without? You're vastly smarter, actually," Actually NO! Remembering stuff and being quicker at things doesn't make you smarter. And if trained properly, the human brain can do all the stuff Musk wants the chip to do. Maybe Musk should put a chip in his head.
My faith in humanity has been a little shaken this year," Musk continues
Well, I'm with you in thinking that humanity is not where to put your faith. You are right that we should put it somewhere else.
And that's why you (and others) are flailing around looking for where to put your faith.
We diverge however when you think that we should put our faith in "AI" ...
The Warrior's bland acronym, MMI, obscures the true horror of this monstrosity. Its inventors promise a new era of genius, but meanwhile unscrupulous power brokers use its forcible installation to violate the sanctity of unwilling human minds. They are creating their own private army of demons.
So if I understand this correctly, Elon Musk once said AI was more dangerous than nuclear weapons, and now he wants to attach AI directly to people's brains?
That would be fine in a script for a blockbuster movie, but in the real world it makes no sense.
ya let him get sullfucked
and see how things go from there
PayPal has been good and all, but isn't it time for ol'Musky to finally just fuck off?
Do you want a zombie apocalypse?
Because this is how you get a zombie apocalypse.
As soon as I put an AI chip in my brain, they will come with with version 5.1...
Well, not this guy, I'm waiting for 5.1 because I've heard that that's 10% faster in getting the movie listings....
Elon flew past the Episode 15 with the Binars and said, "Sure, that sounds good. Let's do that." He was probably was looking at Minuet and thought she was a smokin' hot Binar.
You're damned right it's complicated. It does stupid shit like make you be a raging dickwad over an imagined implication that you might not have the correct answer. Fuck off.
... that in a way, humans became cyborgs (that is, animals with non-animal components participating i their behaviour) back when they started wearing clothes and using tools. In this sense, being a cyborg has been the very definition of humanity right from the start.
This is silly. you don't become smarter. You just have access to more data. Imagine your idiotic relative suddenly backing up his crazy ideas with "facts" gleaned from the internet instantaneously.
Don't look now, I think there might be some kids on your lawn.
The immune system we all have is none to pleased with non-self material, getting something like that to work in your brain without complications seems pretty far fetched. And from what little I know about the current methods for the disabled, they all required unique training meaning the brain comes with all of 'you' scattered. Can't design a simple chip that hits all known points since they're not all known, 6 month 'calibration' times or whatever it might be per person is a hard sell.
you'll have to fuckin catch me first
Who owns your thoughts?
You are being ripped off every second of every day, so that advertisers can help rip you off even more tomorrow.
Elon has never heard of Blooms Taxonomy. Perhaps he should look it up. However, looking up facts is not thinking. It is not even understanding.
By contrast, the revolutionary design of Tesla cars and SpaceX rockets demonstrates all of the layers above remembering - understanding, application, analysis, evaluation, and creativity.
From the trenches, what I can confirm is that the more technology a student uses, the worse they are at thinking. They live in an echo chamber, devoid of reality. You would be hard put to find a teacher that disagrees.
Note: that maintaining and creating technology is not the same as using it.
This is something taken out from a video-game: A billionaire that promotes biologic hijacking.
I am not so sure that's a great idea. If he does do it, can we get Apple Pay?
Who knew Elon Musk had a single "main goal" ? I don't need an AI chip in my skull. I need an interface module in my skull. It can connect to AIs, robot arms, vehicle control modules, media sources, etc. Over time it can be used to transfer my consciousness beyond my skull, so that by the time my skull goes offline, I won't need a skull.
I would not want an AI on a chip in my head, but a long time ago I imagined that a math coprocessor would be nice.
A bunch of "skills" modules would be cool too. Want the skills of a ninja? Helicopter pilot? Fixed wing aircraft? Doctor? Race car driver? Chess grandmaster? Physicist? Engineer? All of the above? It's just a quick download.
Maybe you want to be a do-it-yourself kind of person? Download the plumbing, electrical, electronics, welding, mechanic, woodworking and construction modules.
That would be great.
An AI in your head telling you what to do/think? Maybe won't shut up? Maybe takes over? No thanks. Lightspeed briefs in my dreams? No thanks.
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He hired 1000 battery engineers and one guy that worked at a body shop once. Teslas are poorly designed and built crap vehicles.
Why do you hate the environment so much? How do you think we're going to solve global warming if we can't get poorly built luxury electric sports cars into the hands of those that really need them?
like a bad idea.
Why do I have a feeling that after 100 years of AI infused humans roam the earth the few that didn't make the dumb decision to give their brains to corporations will develop a cybernetic organism to hunt and kill any AI infused nightmares? I think the terminators won't kill real humans, just the augmented ones. This kinda sounds like a cool project... build an anti-AI AI that hunts down AI's and either hacks them or terminates them physically.
Still would be pretty useless across much of the planet. Has anyone looked at how much satellite internet costs?