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Why Free Software Evangelist Richard Stallman is Haunted by Stalin's Dream (factordaily.com)

Richard Stallman recently visited Mandya, a small town about 60 miles from Bengaluru, India, to give a talk. On the sidelines, Indian news outlet FactorDaily caught up with Stallman for an interview. In the wide-ranging interview, Stallman talked about companies that spy on users, popular Android apps, media streaming and transportation apps, smart devices, DRM, software backdoors, subscription software, and Apple and censorship. An excerpt from the interview: If you are carrying a mobile phone, it is always tracking your movements and it could have been modified to listen to the conversations around you. I call this product Stalin's dream. What would Stalin have wanted to hand out to every inhabitant of the former Soviet Union? Something to track that person's movements and listen to the person's conservations. Fortunately, Stalin could not do it because the technology didn't exist. Unfortunately for us, now it does exist and most people have been pressured or lured into carrying around such a Stalin's dream device, but not me.

I am suspicious of new digital technology. I expect it to have new malicious functionalities. It has happened so many times that I have learned to expect this, so I have always checked before I start using some new digital technology. I asked to find out what is nasty about it and I found out these two things. It was something like 20 years ago, and I decided it was my duty as a citizen to refuse, regardless of whatever convenience it might offer me. To surrender my freedom in this way was failing to defend a free society. This is why I do not have a portable phone. I refuse to carry a portable phone. I never have one and unless things change, I never will. I do use portable phones, lots of different ones. If I needed to call someone right now, I would ask one of you, "Could you please make a call for me?" If I am on a bus and it is late and I need to tell somebody that I am going to arrive late, there is always some other passenger in the bus who will make a call for me or send a text for me. Practically speaking, it is not that hard.

375 comments

  1. Bad for me, but not for thee by PrimeWaveZ · · Score: 0, Troll

    Like most leftists, he's fine with using Stalin's Dream as long as it's invading your life and not his

    1. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did he even know the difference or was there never a chance of that? Yawn

    2. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Leftist is a term used by people who have run out of arguments. And probably thoughts.

      There are no leftists in America that want Stalin's Dream. The people running tech companies are hard core Libertarians who would run over their own dogs if that dog was getting in between them and their stock options.

      That's Capitalism, sport, nothing leftist about it. Tech wants to spy on you and sell your information. There is nothing liberal about that.

      Find a new word, "leftist" fails as an insult because it is meaningless to everyone outside of the Glenn Beck/Alex Jones/Q-Anon crowd.

    3. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the socialist moto... why pay for something when everyone else will pay it for me?

    4. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This. These people aren't spying because of their party. They are spying because it pays them billions to.

    5. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by somenickname · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's strange that he doesn't just carry a pre-paid phone with the battery taken out. I don't carry a cell phone either but, I keep a pre-paid one in my car (or sometimes laptop bag if I'm traveling) with the battery taken out. No tracking, no listening and I basically get a portable pay phone that doesn't need quarters to operate.

    6. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Is there an app that can screw with the data?

      eg. Make your location jump around randomly all over the world when you're not actually using mapping to get directions.

      Encrypted communications can be made very convenient using this tech, he should be for that.

      The answer isn't to not own a phone, it's to use the phone against the data spies. Use it to take back your freedom.

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    7. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by mlw4428 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Like most conservatives, you'd rather government not get in the way of private enterprise's ability to spy on American citizens and sell it for a profit. After all, Profit > People for Republicans.

    8. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stalin, Hitler, Mao etc doesn't who dreaming 1984

    9. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by Richard+Stalin · · Score: 1, Troll

      The funny thing is that the US police state has its roots in the post-WWII anti-Soviet CIA, and these witch hunts spread for decades, being wildly accelerated by both Bushes and Obama. The past several decades have seen a drastic increase in media conglomeration to be owned by a few wealthy individuals while they push the facets of socialism to the unwashed masses (as we see on this site, thanks, BizX) to create a nation of dependents. What was there is now here.

      Welcome to Soviet America.
      Land of the fee and home of the slave.

    10. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was wondering if you could create slim contain for the phone that would block gps signals, cell/wireless comms and sound from reaching it. At that point you could just bring out the phone when you need it and avoid being monitored

    11. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      "hard core Libertarians"??? Seriously?

      Have you followed the policies of most of the people? They are anything but libertarian! They are statists through and through and advocate control of everyone else (except themselves and their friends). They are advocating policies of "you work, I eat" - the same ones that the Democrat slave owners of the old south advocated - but they are using flowery language like "Democrat socialism" to attempt to hide it from people who are not paying attention. Socialism is an evil and immoral philosophy that advocates treating human beings as chattel, just as Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Hitler etc all did. Authoritarianism at root.

      I met Stallman in grad school in the late 1980s and I do admire his coding and his beliefs regarding free software, but he doesn't have the sense of irony that he is castigating Stalinist policies while embracing a large portion of them.

    12. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by WolfWalker545 · · Score: 1

      Like most leftists, he's fine with using Stalin's Dream as long as it's invading your life and not his

      If he was fine with Stalin's Dream as long as it is invading our lives and not his, he wouldn't be making public statements about it. There ARE security concerns with mobile devices, there's no denying that Google, the phone companies, and the carriers are using our data for their own purposes. Wasn't it only last week that it was revealed that all of the major telecommunications carriers in the US were selling location data on their subscribers without any notification to those subscribers or consent? Apple is claiming to better protect user privacy, but do they really? Calling this leftist is relying on a single-axis political scale, this is closer to the two-axis scale libertarians like to use between libertarian and statist, there are those on both the right and left that incline towards more statist beliefs (not that this scale is perfect, it doesn't really account for corporatists or oligarchies).

    13. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What part of "From each according to his ability" makes you think the socialist motto gives you anything for free?

      Oh, nevermind... you're one of those idiots who thinks that people would willingly choose to be jobless and destitute so that they can get those free food stamps that will barely cover the cost of ramen for 3 meals a day.

    14. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked in advertising. I always used and still use a top end adblocker and some anti-tracking systems.

      This is not hypocrisy. I'm telling you to use one too. This is information warfare. Whoever knows more about you is able to raise the price of the things you have to buy and reduce the prices of the things that you won't buy unless motivated. They can control your elections too. They can assassinate you if you become the leader of the rebel cause. Lots of other stuff even I have no clue about.

      If Stallman was a leftist then so was Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan

    15. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by HornWumpus · · Score: 0, Troll

      There is nothing liberal about leftism. Liberal means 'pro liberty', more or less, the opposite of (leftist/marxist/socialist/progressive/American 'liberal').

      Leftist say they aren't authoritarians. But they lie, the dumb ones lie to themselves, the half smart ones lie to the dumb ones. Any non-imaginary political philosophy based on Marxism is a command economy, which has to be authoritarian by definition. Can't self organize, no markets, no price signals.

      You can claim leftist don't exist, _nobody_ believes you. Are we to believe you, or our own lying eyes and ears? They just have to change names about every 20 years, as people figure out it's just 'them' again.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    16. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is he a leftist? Seems like he's more of a libertarian, and narrowly focused on intellectual property issues at that.

    17. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though I agree with you that none of the tech world wants stalins dream, the post you are responding to is not talking about the tech leaders, but stallman. And stallman absolutely would be described as a "leftist". And remember, you take offense to the term "leftist" obviously, otherwise why would you bother responding, think about that next time you or anyone on the left uses one of the many similarly derogatory terms for those on the right.

    18. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just take out the gsm chip.
      Cut the i2c lines, or the power line. No more location tracking.
      The only real unknowns in a modern phone are the baseband chip, the video driver and camera drivers sometimes.
      Depending on the wifi chip maybe that too.
      By far the most unknown is the baseband.
      The linux kernel is open. Android software is open.
      Not sure what google pixel stand is on closed firmware.

    19. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The phone can still record and transmit when it has service. Telemetry data that is useful to data miners isn't that large and it wouldn't take very long for a modern smart phone to transmit its backlog.

      Data recording and backlog transmitting aside, the issue still remains - when you use the phone you will be tracked. That's enough data to perform lifestyle analysis enough to begin predicting someone's habits and schedules and such. Most cell phone users would not go through the efforts to provide false data in order to break or make lifestyle analysis impossible - we all have those places or people or things we go to/contact/do that are choke points in our lifestyle data points. A halfway decent analyst would sift through the noise and find the actual data points.

    20. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure thing, champ

    21. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by omnichad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Liberal means 'pro liberty', more or less, the opposite of (leftist/marxist/socialist/progressive/American 'liberal').

      Liberal means holding a broad worldview and being open to new ideas. It's not about liberty, per se. And that means having your eyes wide open and caring about the freedoms and rights of people other than yourself and not just your own interests.

    22. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I made the post you reference. I admit, I do not know much about Stallman.

      I do however, know the difference between a corporation wanting to do whatever it wants to its customers and a government doing what ever it wants to its citizens.

      Silicon Valley has some social liberals, but do anything to cause them monetary harm to their "entitled" stock options and you will be met with furious anger.

      Suggest that we the people demand that they are regulated and not allowed to use our information against us and you will first be met with lots of bullshit bingo about being in control of data, and then second, you will be met with a PR explosion about government regulation of business.

      Democratic socialism means things that we all need should be done together without a profit motive. So you can have healthcare for everyone, you just can't have the CEO of United Healthcare making a billion dollars over ten years without ever so much as putting on a band aid or kissing an owie.

      Socialism bad, yep, but democratic socialism is not the same thing.

      Turn off Hannity, go learn things.

    23. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like most conservatives, you'd rather government not get in the way of private enterprise's ability to spy on American citizens and sell it for a profit. After all, Profit > People for Republicans.

      I know a lot of rich Democrats. Two way street bro

    24. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol, this is news from 2011 ) read Russian open source site news http://liberatum.ru/exclusive/richard-stollman-rasskazal-o-chem-mechtal-stalin

    25. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should also keep the battery fully depleted in case it's bugged!

    26. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Megol · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why do you want to write something like this? It's like proudly having a text saying "I'm ignorant" on ones forehead.

    27. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Liberal means 'pro liberty', more or less,

      Not in the USA it doesn't.

      In the USA it means "somebody who wouldn't want to live in Texas".

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    28. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is nothing liberal about leftism. Liberal means 'pro liberty'

      what about Libertarian?

    29. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OTOH Stallman has done a lot for me (starting the GNU project, which is the root of Emacs, GCC, libc and so much more). I'd be very pleased lending him my mobile phone or making a call for him.

      And you? What have you done for me? Would I lend you my mobile phone? Perhaps. But then, if I knew that you authored that nasty comment... perhaps not.

    30. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "3 Insightful" -> at least 4 of you didn't read the article.

      Yes, PrimeWaveZ, maybe you should have read what he said about -not- giving in to Stalin's Dream, you dumbass.

    31. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And wrap both it and your dick in tinfoil!

    32. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Immerman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nope. If you want to be able to receive phone calls, then the phone network has to know approximately where you are at all times. GPS tracking is a secondary, independent feature. Even if you could make an app that would spoof your GPS location in such a way that even the (presumed compromised) operating system was fooled (good luck with that...), all it takes is a trivial cross-check with network data to realize that fact and fall back to the "accurate to within a few dozen/hundred meters" network tracking.

      And of course it does nothing whatsoever to prevent the use of the microphone as a remote listening device.

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    33. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Immerman · · Score: 1

      And to add to the other AC's comment - if you're blocking the transmission of signals, then you're also blocking their reception, and can't receive phone calls. Which defeats on of the major reasons for carrying a phone with you.

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    34. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This. These people aren't spying because of their party. They are spying because it pays them billions to.

      ...unless we're in China.

      This is not an argument for either "side" per se, but rather a note of comparison:

      In generally free societies, you get spied on for profit (if they can), and little-to-nothing more. The worst they do with your data to is sell what they learn about you to advertisers, who them toss up ads that hopefully get past ad-blockers and try to entice you out of some of your money.

      Now let's contrast that with a totalitarian-oriented society, where that data, coupled with omnipresent external cameras, facial recognition, a bit of AI to back it up, and a government-owned/run social credit rating that can either make your life easier (if you're a 'model citizen'), or infinitely harder (if you don't sufficiently conform)?

      Now - which of the two do you figure to be the most dangerous to individual life and liberty?

      To be honest, I don't much mind carrying a smartphone in the US (half the time I'm out of any cell range anyway, given my rural locale). By contrast, I'd be scared shitless to carry one around if I were a citizen and resident of, say, Shanghai.

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    35. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by omnichad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No. It means individual freedom, but for everyone rather than the elite.

    36. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      like a small Faraday cage

    37. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by HornWumpus · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Libertarians are the classical liberals. American 'liberals' are socialist authoritarians.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    38. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      You must be one of the dumb ones.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    39. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by unimacs · · Score: 1

      Do you think that advertisers are the only ones who want your data and are willing to pay for it? I can imagine far worse than that.

    40. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No there is not an app that can screw with the data, or not all of it, anyway. The wireless carrier knows which cell towers the phone connects to.

    41. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's like you think there's no money on selling the personal information of a couple billion people?

    42. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is really crazy is that there are groups of people in the US whose sole purpose is to police speech and make sure that other people both say unoffensive correct things and rally groups of supporters to target those who do not.

      You can see it in this response wall, further down. One person says "leftist" and the police can't help but rise to action. While both leftist and rightist are part of the problem, being selective it seems is unallowable and can't be tollerated, even if it is partially true.

    43. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have no idea what you're talking about. But hey, you sound sincere.

    44. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      He's a well-known tech guy. He (and we) should be able to get someone to rig up a physical switch to make/break the battery contact connection, right? All the privacy/security people complain about this, but it seems like this would be a simple thing to agitate for.

    45. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Put the battery in and make a call every 2 months or so, or your sim will deactivate.

      Most places have this rule. Phone numbers are finite and cost money to keep. If you're not spending the money then you won't be keeping that sim active, so it'll deactivate and you'll likely lose the number (and use of phone until you pay again. *even* on contract sims will deactivate, and you'll keep on paying for nothing)

    46. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      ........

      You can carry a phone just to signal out, not to be 'on-call'. I rarely ever receive phone calls.

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    47. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Both political leaning parties have their subset of crazies, who takes the polices too far.
      When is it too far? Well, I would like to define it when people are getting hurt or suffering, because they don't fit nicely in the party lines, or because they reject an idea that isn't backed by the party.

      Communist governments, have done this basically by persecuting the people who couldn't fit well in such a society. These subversives are often people whos lot in life doesn't jive with what the government says they should be doing. Just by persecuting and pointing out these people as subversives, they are restricted on what goods and services they can access, and indeed suffer from it.

      Capitalist governments, can be just as bad too, if you don't have the money to live, you are deemed lazy and unfit to survive in society, asked to get a job or just die.

      Moderate groups are not the answer, because a moderate group will often just be some combination of both, but their views can be so strict that harm can happen as well.

      In general if you feel you need to harm someone physically, socially or emotionally because they don't agree with your political views, then there is something wrong with you, which you may want to reflect on.

      RMS I don't agree with, I find his views too strict for me. But he is relatively harmless, and his views often do have a point which we should listen too, I just feel his solutions are impractical on a large scale.

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    48. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PSA: those silver-colored envelope things that in which many electronics are shipped are effectively "Faraday bags." Don't believe me? Toss your phone in one and try to call yourself.

      I never throw those things away.

    49. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's amazing that people still think guys like Hitler and Stalin were socialists.

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    50. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Immerman · · Score: 1

      And how many of the calls you make are to other people's cell phones?

      You do make a legitimate argument from a personal perspective - assuming you would be okay with *never* receiving calls, but most people seem to consider being available to their loved ones, at least in an "emergency", to be one of the most important reasons to own a cell phone.

      And really, a phone only does two things: it lets you make calls, and it lets you receive them. Everything else is the PDA the phone is built into. If it can't do one of those two things, it's hard to argue that it hasn't suffered a major loss in functionality.

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    51. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      Not in the USA for the last 100 years it hasn't. It's just one of the euphemisms used up by marxists trying to hide.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    52. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by blackomegax · · Score: 1

      anarcho communism.

    53. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      I don't know, why did you write such nonsense?

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    54. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forget mobile phones. This man doesn't even use a web browser to "surf the web". But, this level of batshit insane gets a pass on Slashdot.

    55. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Canada is a socialist state per say, as the Nordic countries for example. They have nothing to do with communism, don't know why you are equating both of them together. Maybe lack of knowledge?

    56. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 1

      What is really crazy is that there are groups of people in the US whose sole purpose is to police speech and make sure that other people both say unoffensive correct things and rally groups of supporters to target those who do not.

      In other words, Twitter users...

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    57. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Libertarians are Republicans without religion. Same pro-corporate worldview.

    58. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by gDLL · · Score: 1

      You must open a book or two. Liberal means for Liberty, specially individual liberties, like how the state/King can't impede on some Liberties.

    59. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by dryeo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Luckily America would never have things like no-fly lists, border searches all over the country, millions of people imprisoned or political crimes such as possessing a prohibited plant.
      It would also never have internal intelligence agencies or police forces that are very military in nature and tools.

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    60. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Liberal means 'pro liberty', more or less, the opposite of (leftist/marxist/socialist/progressive/American 'liberal').

      Liberal means holding a broad worldview and being open to new ideas. It's not about liberty, per se. And that means having your eyes wide open and caring about the freedoms and rights of people other than yourself and not just your own interests.

      A classic liberal would have laughed at safe spaces and abhorred PC speech codes. What is called a liberal, or a progressive if you want to be more trendy, in the US currently though thinks both are great improvements and enforces them.

    61. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      ...After all, Profit > People for Republicans.

      Don't get too smug. Open borders == death to working class, but it's OK since new immigrants tend to vote Democrat. Power > Citizens for Democrats. I do wish that there was a part for the working class in the US.

    62. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by 1ucius · · Score: 1

      I suspect the phone doesn't even need to transmit 'telemetry data' per se. One probably can do triangulation at the tower, and phones are constantly chirping.

      The best answer might be satellite phones.

    63. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      There are no leftists in America that want Stalin's Dream.

      More to the point, the US left's interest in technology does not go beyond ranting on Twitter. There are no Elon Musks among the Stalinists, people who would be actually able to tap our cellphones and use our speech against us if they wanted to.

    64. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      Do you think that advertisers are the only ones who want your data and are willing to pay for it? I can imagine far worse than that.

      Actually yes, I do think that only advertisers want my personal data. Your speech must be so much more important than mine. I genuflect in your august presence.

    65. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by omnichad · · Score: 2

      So when you see a medication that says to apply liberally, you do it for freedom? No, liberal means broad and wide-ranging. As in, not narrow(-minded). Good for you that you found it shares a Latin root, but they are still separate words with separate meanings.

    66. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody wants to live in Texas.

      “If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell”
        General Philip Henry Sheridan

    67. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by dryeo · · Score: 2

      Libertarian was originally a socialist construct. Look up socialist libertarian or libertarian socialist.
      Here, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=soci... or https://duckduckgo.com/?q=libe....
      Now it is just as impractical as any political philosophy that ignores the authoritarians, but still to claim that libertarian-ism is a right wing thing is weird as the right means by definition supporting the aristocracy, or today, the rich
      From wiki,

      Libertarian socialism (or socialist libertarianism)[1] is a group of anti-authoritarian[2] political philosophies inside the socialist movement that rejects the conception of socialism as centralized state ownership and control of the economy.[3]

      Libertarian socialism is close to and overlaps with left-libertarianism,[4][5] and criticizes wage labour relationships within the workplace,[6] instead emphasizing workers' self-management of the workplace[7] and decentralized structures of political organization.[8][9][10]

      It often rejects the state itself,[7] and asserts that a society based on freedom and justice can be achieved through abolishing authoritarian institutions that control certain means of production and subordinate the majority to an owning class or political and economic elite.[11] Libertarian socialists advocate for decentralized structures based on direct democracy and federal or confederal associations such as libertarian municipalism, citizens' assemblies, trade unions, and workers' councils.[12][13]

      All of this is generally done within a general call for libertarian[14][15] and voluntary human relationships[16] through the identification, criticism, and practical dismantling of illegitimate authority in all aspects of human life.[17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24] As such, libertarian socialism seeks to distinguish itself from both Leninism/Bolshevism and social democracy.[25][26]

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    68. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 0

      Why would anybody think that the leaders of the National Socialists or the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics were socialists?

      Why, that's preposterous!

      http://hawaii.edu/powerkills

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    69. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by omnichad · · Score: 1

      asserts that a society based on freedom and justice can be achieved through abolishing authoritarian institutions that control certain means of production

      In practice, this usually means something pro-corporate or anti-environment. Tell me how that does not disproportionately benefit the elite.

    70. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by omnichad · · Score: 1

      What straw man thing is it that you think a safe space is? I guarantee you're probably wrong.

      Also, are you using the word classic as shorthand for ignorant deep-South?

    71. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by mlw4428 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How so? How do open borders = death to the working class? Our most productive time in American history saw a large amount of immigration. The minimum wage ensures legal citizens are paid at least at the same starting point. Oh, you must mean those illegals, right? Hmm...and I wonder how they're getting jobs that place them below the federally mandated minimum wage? Oh, that's right, corporations. See an illegal in America doesn't work a job unless a company hires him to begin with. So the real death of the working class isn't Jose from Mexico, it's Bob the CEO from Fuck You, USA who is saying "I'm going to break the law and hire this person and pay them under the table at a severely reduced wage, because fuck America." Perhaps instead of a wall, we need mandatory background checks and employer new-hire reporting and auditing.

    72. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Trogre · · Score: 0

      No. It means individual freedom, but for everyone rather than freedom with responsibility.

      FTFY

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    73. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Kinda like he the Democratic People's Republic of Korea and the Democratic People's Republic of the Congo are both democratic republics, right?

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    74. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by Tuidjy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You health insurers, your employers, and everyone who wants your money, your labor, or your vote, without necessarily having anything else to offer. Basically, everyone. Not everyone can afford it, yet.

      Are we at the point where you will get charged an extra 10% because you have shown enthusiasm for a product, or paid a bad price before, or live in a wealthy area?

      Are we at the point where your dentist will use your posts to see how much discomfort you are in, so that he can inflate the treatment?

      Are you going to get a bad life insurance because you enjoy jetskying?

      Are your kids going to have trouble getting into a specific talent school because they got into a fight when they were 10?

      Is your coworker going to forward to your boss a statement you made on the clock, or a statement about some quality the boss has, or just something random the boss may dislike?

      Is your work/school laptop/phone configured to spy on you on demand, and is the security going to be porous enough to let everyone and his grandmother join in?

      Etc, etc, etc.

      Most of the above has happened. The rest will, soon enough.

      And that's without errors. With errors, your wife name will match that on a known (male!) terrorist, and you will spend three ours in a detention room abroad, or your house will match the location of a stolen item, you will be placed at the scene of a crime in the next state, and what not. Bounty hunters have already broken into the wrong person's house...

      All of these can happen without the technology we accept into our houses and pockets. But with the technology, every idiot can get on the game. And with enough monkeys on the branch, any branch will break.

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    75. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or...just turn the freaking phone off, and if you can remove the battery, then do so.

      The simplest solutions are still the best.

    76. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's absurd. Real Socialism has never been tried.

    77. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's amazing that people still think guys like Hitler and Stalin were socialists.

      Socialist is an ambiguous term, except when you interpret it a s synonym to communism. If so, then hitler was not a socialist, (he was a fascist) and stalin was not a socialist either, nor mao, or castro. People like to say that you are committing a no true scotsman fallacy when you say that no country has ever been communist, but (by the way the guy who invented communism defined it) no country (if you mean state, not land) can ever be communist, communism is stateless. It's amazing, to me, that people still think otherwise, its been long since the cold war era brainwashing.

    78. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by yuvcifjt · · Score: 0

      heh, nice reply!
      Wish I had mod points!

    79. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Freedom with responsibility really just means ensuring that the freedom is for everyone. What else would you be responsible for?

    80. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pro-life, pro-gun, pro-business, pro-military, anti-welfare, anti-marijuana, anti-gay marriage, and I wouldn't want to live in Texas.

    81. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well Nazi does mean "National Socialist German Workers Party."

      But hey, you be you.

    82. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Sounds to me more like abolishing the board of directors. All these idealized systems have problems in the real world. Socialist things like co-ops still end up with someone running things even if in theory the whole community gets a vote and it's a shared effort.

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    83. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, 'libertarian' came to occupy the space of 'classical liberal' because of the peculiar use of 'liberal' in US political language. [There used to be another non-US use of 'libertarian' which referred to libertarian socialists (near anarchists), but the internets broke that definition.]

      However the US 'liberals' are not socialist. If they really were socialists they would concern themselves more with the fate of the industrial working class across the rust belt, rather than with esoterica like whether 'transwoman' should be spelled with a space as 'trans woman' or not. Liberals are the most effective anti-socialists precisely because their deflecting the core issue economic inequality into issues of race, sexuality etc, allows them to pose as leftist.

    84. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The no true Scotsman fallacy is still alive I see.

    85. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      And that's without errors. With errors, your wife name will match that on a known (male!) terrorist, and you will spend three ours in a detention room abroad, or your house will match the location of a stolen item, you will be placed at the scene of a crime in the next state, and what not. Bounty hunters have already broken into the wrong person's house...

      Yeah, I'm going to worry about that when it happens.

    86. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 2

      What straw man thing is it that you think a safe space is? I guarantee you're probably wrong.

      Safe space: a place or environment in which a person or category of people can feel confident that they will not be exposed to discrimination, criticism, harassment, or any other emotional or physical harm.

      Someone who is guaranteed to not be exposed to criticism is not emotionally strong and certainly isn't able to cope with different world views. Thus not a classic liberal.

      Also, are you using the word classic as shorthand for ignorant deep-South?

      That you use the South as a slur says more about you than Southerners. I suspect that you'd cal me names if I did something similar to your protected class of choice.

    87. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      How so? How do open borders = death to the working class? Our most productive time in American history saw a large amount of immigration. The minimum wage ensures legal citizens are paid at least at the same starting point. Oh, you must mean those illegals, right? Hmm...and I wonder how they're getting jobs that place them below the federally mandated minimum wage? Oh, that's right, corporations. See an illegal in America doesn't work a job unless a company hires him to begin with. So the real death of the working class isn't Jose from Mexico, it's Bob the CEO from Fuck You, USA who is saying "I'm going to break the law and hire this person and pay them under the table at a severely reduced wage, because fuck America." Perhaps instead of a wall, we need mandatory background checks and employer new-hire reporting and auditing.

      Can I assume that you're familiar with supply and demand and accept that overall it is a good explanation for things? There are many more employers than just Bob the CEO. Immigration, both legal and illegal, creates more workers. For the existing citizens this may or may not be a good thing, it depends on their circumstances. If you're Bob the CEO it's a great thing that there are more workers. If you already have money it's also a great thing since you now have more customers / renters / etc. If however you are a working person who is trying to earn a living there are more downsides than upsides. More people means housing costs go up. Traffic goes up. Schools are more crowded. Wages stagnate or sink. So yes, open borders == death to working class. That the party that claims it is the protector of the poor is pushing open borders is just too rich. The scale is too big for open borders to even succeed. If you're unsure about that, this video is worth 5 minutes of your time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    88. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Libertarians are the classical liberals. American 'liberals' are socialist authoritarians.

      Feels good to lump people into categories doesn't it? Makes things easier to understand.

    89. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably for the same reason they'd think the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic, a republic, or for the people. You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West.

      You know... morons.

    90. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by farble1670 · · Score: 2

      Moderate groups are not the answer, because a moderate group will often just be some combination of both, but their views can be so strict that harm can happen as well.

      I don't think you understand what it means to be moderate. It doesn't picking picking extreme ideas from one side or the other. It means ideas that are compromises that actually may have a chance of being accepted by both sides. E.g.,

      You can be for immigration control, but also for amnesty for current undocumented Americans.
      You can be pro-choice, but only for very early terms.
      You can be anti-racist, but still acknowledge even a racists group's right to free speech.

      This is where almost all Americans live. In the middle.

      Of course, this is not what politicians want. They want us all to be fanatics, so we vote with them regardless of their actions.

    91. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Now - which of the two do you figure to be the most dangerous to individual life and liberty?

      Depends. It's a bit like marshland vs a frozen lake, in a totalitarian society you start sinking into the mud the moment you stray from the path. Yes, it's nasty but you get plenty warning that this swamp is full of pits and quicksand that wants to eat you alive. In a free society you get the impression that you're free to roam around, doesn't matter what information you share with who at worst you get targeted ads you're not sent to a re-education camp. So further and further from shore you go, until that time where nobody really knew where you were, who you talked to and what you spent your time and money on is far off on the horizon. And that's when the ice starts to crack up under you...

      If you look at something like the world democracy index the world is pretty much standing still, in 2006 it was at 5.52 and now it's at 5.48. The days when Eastern Europe and former Soviet states shook off Party rule and freedom made progress is halted, those who are authoritarian stay in power and about as many are getting worse as are getting better. Their economic power is also growing with China leading the way, I'm genuinely concerned that many countries think they need a "strong leader" to take charge where laws can get bent or broken and the government will stonewall out of any problems. All that keeps them from using all that data against you is just letters on a paper.

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    92. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by Tuidjy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The wife name matching a terrorist name, and having to spend hours in a detention room in a Canadian airport happened to me. My wife's first name name is Alison, she goes by Allie, and I assume she matched an Ali from a former USSR republic (my last name is Slavic)

      She is a redhead, out one year daughter was with us, and we were told the name of the list was male. It still took them hours to clear us.

      Of course, you do not have to believe me.

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    93. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by piojo · · Score: 1

      I've never wanted a "mod +terrifying" before. It's rotten that that happened to you! The same things have happened to me and people I know, but it was traditional nonsense rather than new nonsense. For example someone had a small issue with his documents and didn't know to pay the bribe that was needed. It did not end pleasantly.

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    94. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      All of these can happen without the technology we accept into our houses and pockets. But with the technology, every idiot can get on the game.

      And as soon as this happens, if it ever happens, the value of any such inferences will fade away. The first few callouts of men by the #MeToo movement were telling enough to end careers with few questions asked. But after Garrison Keillor was deplatformed after one relationship wet wrong and Aziz Ansari for one bad date, the validity of the movement's callouts plummeted into obscurity.

    95. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are merely naive.

    96. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Ok. And do you think people live within a safe space bubble full time or that it's a specific, separate sometimes need? Clearly you haven't given much thought other than to repeat talking points you've heard elsewhere. In what way does that mean a person is guaranteed not to be exposed to criticism, except in one very specific context?

      And no, I did not say that all of the deep South was ignorant. Just that it's a location that has a very specific brand of ignorance within it, and it matched what it sounded like you were describing.

    97. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Texas has a shitload of liberals.

    98. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Liberals are the classic liberals. American "liberals" are bogey man you've created in your head, probably with help.

    99. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Libertarians are the anti-vaxxers of politics.

    100. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Boronx · · Score: 1

      GP's definition is the classic definition of a liberal political outlook. It's why countries like the US are called liberal democracies.

    101. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Boronx · · Score: 1

      in the US, if you're for the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, then you're a liberal. If you're for defending the constitution from all enemies, foreign or domestic, then you are a conservative.

    102. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they push the facets of socialism

      Socialism means public ownership of the means of production. I really doubt the "media conglomeration to be owned by a few wealthy individuals" is going anywhere near that any time soon. Nor can one seriously equate living in Stalin's Russia with living in contemporary USA ... at least not yet.

      Apart from that though, there's a kernel of insight in that post, the threat that you become what you set out to fight.

    103. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well Nazi does mean "National Socialist German Workers Party."

      But hey, you be you.

      You mean that, if you are a totalitarian ruler, you cannot call your party/country what you please? You gotta call it what it really is? Quick, we better tell kim jung-un! He's gonna get into trouble!

    104. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In generally free societies, you get spied on for profit (if they can), and little-to-nothing more

      Holy shit dude, the NSA's mission is to have total surveillance of all comminications and they have a much bigger budget than their counterparts in China or Russia. Where the fuck have you been?

    105. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, in that context applying a medication liberally usually means using a large or generous amount, not "broad and wide-ranging". Don't be stupid.

    106. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Of course not! The magic paper those old dudes wrote forbids all such things.

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    107. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      The phone network has to know where the phone is, but it does not need to tell the phone where it thinks the phone is. Especially in such a manner that then the phone can inform many apps running on the phone about its own whereabouts.

      Everyone other than the phone network , who tries to track you based on this information : either from GPS or the phone network / wifi SSID location database - can be fooled using such a hack.

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    108. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's amazing that people still think guys like Hitler and Stalin were socialists.

      Because they were kind of socialists. Socialists don't have to be nice cosy people, even though they like to portray themselves that way. So "social".

      Communists nationalized factories - so only one corporation which was the government. Typical socialist policy that. Stalin also murdered a lot of people - a dictator/tyrant policy, not necessary in order to be 'socialist'. But not ruled out either.

      Hitler called his party "national socialists". Lots of socialist policies, like providing work for everybody. Socialism with a nationalism twist - i.e. socialism for Germans only. And not as extreme socialism as Stalin - owners (aryans at least) could keep their businesses, but jobs were created by government spending. You have to spend a lot when preparing for war anyway. Hitler was also racist, and we all know how that part turned out.

      I have no problem calling these two socialists. They were also murderous tyrants, but few political ideologies rules that out!

    109. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I met Stallman in grad school in the late 1980s and I do admire his coding and his beliefs regarding free software, but he doesn't have the sense of irony that he is castigating Stalinist policies while embracing a large portion of them.

      If there's one thing slashdotters love to do, it's make up weird stuff about RMS. But do go on, how on earth is Stalllman stalanist? And please back that up with actual quotes not stuff you heard other people say he said.

      The guy sounds very very freedom focussed to me. That's pretty much the opposite of Stalanism.

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    110. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Why, that's preposterous

      Indeed and yet people still believe it. Remember that poem about the Nazis about how they came for the Jews and I didn't speak up etc? Do you know how it starts? Here let me find it for you:

      First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-
                    Because I was not a socialist.

      But apparently in your mind the fact theycalled themselves socialists trumps the fact that thay actually mass murdered socialists.

      Do you believe everything people tell you about themselves?

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    111. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      If you're for defending the constitution from all enemies, foreign or domestic, then you are a conservative.

      Then why do so many conservatives still support Trump.

      Remeber he pardoned former Sherriff Arpaio, and that chap was imprisoned literally for violating the constitution. Seems like a pretty direct attack on the consitution to me yet many conservatives support him.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    112. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's actually a really good example. Thanks for pointing it out, I'll use it myself if don't mind!

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    113. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by jpaine619 · · Score: 2

      In generally free societies, you get spied on for profit (if they can), and little-to-nothing more. The worst they do with your data to is sell what they learn about you to advertisers, who them toss up ads that hopefully get past ad-blockers and try to entice you out of some of your money.

      How quickly we forget the recent past.. FBI... Hollywood.. FBI files on prominent actresses/actors.. Constant surveilliance to root out the "communist sympathizers". But then again, freedom of association has never been an American thing.. Hell, freedom of religion has never really been an American thing.. Oh sure, you could be a Protestant, but if you were a Catholic you couldn't hope to hold any high federal offices.. "You might bend a knee to the Pope" was the logic behind that, but I digress..

      The US, starting mostly during the cold war, has had a long love affair with spying on it's own citizens for purely political reasons.

    114. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      "Screw You, We're From Texas"

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    115. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Verbatim:

      > I do use portable phones, lots of different ones. If I needed to call someone right now, I would ask one of you, "Could you please make a call for me?"

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    116. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did it escape you that "liberal" holds meaning as a noun aswell as an adjective?

      Its embarrasing that to see your post as +5, Insightful.

    117. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What else would you be responsible for?

      Yourself. It is the prime responsibility, since failing it causes all others to auto-fail aswell from the absence of effect.

    118. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you pick a word that has multiple meanings and start arguing about the definitions. Then you refer to any definition that the other guy doesnt use..

      Dont be daft people. This is a troll.

    119. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly you haven't given much thought other than to repeat talking points you've heard elsewhere.

      Its the other way around. His point is more tought out than than you realise. To grant credit where its due, this a centuries old point of view fostered by some of our greatest thinkers and one that made the world what it is today.

      Individuality, harsh truth and reality fosters people to better themselves(to their own ideals of better, not necessarily your ideal). Catering to whatever feeling they experience at a given time fosters people that are unable to handle their own feelings (and by extent ideas and individual thought) by themselves. Why do you think powers that be always favor one of these? This writing has been on the wall for centuries.

      > it's a location that has a very specific brand of ignorance within it

      Because unlike the strawmen you refer to, you surely dont. *rolls eyes*

    120. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you've seen very little.

      The rest was censored by liberals.

    121. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Sure, but malware on the phone is a secondary problem - anyone that has to resort to those tactics is a relatively minor threat to your freedom.

      Still, something that I'd be all for - absolutely no sense making it easy for people. Personally I rarely have a use for GPS, and keep location information turned off on my phone for exactly that reason.

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    122. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Sure, but malware on the phone is a secondary problem - anyone that has to resort to those tactics is a relatively minor threat to your freedom.

      When the operating system (or at least in built software - practically the same thing for most people) is a malware, it is the primary problem ;). Almost by the definition of primary.

      Android itself wants to track you. Many phone manufacturers want to track you independently of Android. Facebook app nearly certainly tracks you - and cannot be stopped easily. I am not sure how to distinguish between minor and major here - all seem a threat. Especially since there is one major declared leak a month : so one company having my info roughly means anyone could get it next month.

      Apple's iOS is better - but losing your privacy could still be very easy with those devices too.

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    123. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're confusing the textbook definition of liberal with the political viewpoint definition of liberal. They are separate definitions for the same word.

    124. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      The wife name matching a terrorist name, and having to spend hours in a detention room in a Canadian airport happened to me.

      That's terrible and I'm sorry.

      But as humans, we're able to differentiate between systemic problems and isolated incidents. If the above happens once a month, over the millions and millions of people flying, I'm not worried about it. My changes of being hit by a bus are much larger. If it happens 10 times a day, then let's talk.

    125. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by kaatochacha · · Score: 2

      The point isn't an actual level of public ownership. It's simply getting people used to depending on the state for everything, so they can be controlled-and pushing this narrative through socialist programs. This would probably take the form of fascism more than anything, with the state needing to use these large conglomerates to implement this, and the people being dependent to the point where there is no revolt.
      If the state provides all healthcare, food, UBI, etc; you're not going to complain when then trot out something unpopular for fear of starving.

    126. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      But you did eventually get out.
      In a true dictatorship, they'd just toss you in and not care that they got it wrong. In fact, they would want to keep you locked up for fear of their error becoming public.

      That being said, that shouldn't have happened to you and I'm sorry it did. I see no reason not to believe you...

    127. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      You're talking about "classic liberalism".

    128. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      there's a distinct difference between he generic work "liberal" and the political ideology of a "Liberal". I"m not sure why you're getting an insightful mod for this, it's common for political terms to take on a life of their own beyond the original term.

    129. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      There are a lot of people, liberal and conservative, who consider themselves part of a "team", and support everything that team does regardless of logic.
      We'd all be better off it everyone just started looking at issues and deciding for themselves what they support.

      It's OK to agree with an issue Trump supports if you're liberal.
      It's also OK to disagree with an issue Trump supports if you're conservative.
      Quite frankly, it sort of creeps me out when people simply agree based on who is agreeing or disagreeing with an issue.

    130. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up, Nazi!

    131. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Just that it's a location that has a very specific brand of ignorance within it"

      Racist.

    132. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by ahodgson · · Score: 1

      Canada is less socialist than most of the US. Literally the only socialist thing we do that you don't is provide medical care to everyone, not just poor people, elderly, and the military. And we do it spending less money per capita than you do just on those groups.

    133. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      That doesn't even makes sense. You may as well say "libertarians are the kumquats of fruits"

    134. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Oft repeated claim. But remains bullshit.

      Libertarianism is much older than socialism. Socialism is incompatible with libertarianism, as are all command economies.

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    135. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Why does the government have to be involved in socialism? Stalinism is not socialism or if it is, it is only one of many types of socialism.

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    136. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's actually a really good example. Thanks for pointing it out, I'll use it myself if don't mind!

      Thanks, and please do!

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    137. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      That must be a pretty nice black and white universe you live in. The lack of moral ambiguity must be refreshing. You're either the Rebels or the Empire.
      I'd love to be around when you begin learning about grey. I'm sure it won't be pretty.

    138. Re: Bad for me, but not for thee by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the club. I am guessing most people think this is a pretty small club. It is not. Their algorithms are getting a little better though. They seemed to have realized that their original sets of rules essentially made sure a significant portion of the population matches those rules and it wasted their time. Of course, our time being wasted is not even of the slightest concern. No. It was that their time was wasted that caused it to change.

      Many are still getting pulled aside, but it seems to be less frequent than before.

      --
      "Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
    139. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by strikethree · · Score: 1

      See an illegal in America doesn't work a job unless a company hires him to begin with. So the real death of the working class isn't Jose from Mexico, it's Bob the CEO from Fuck You, USA who is saying "I'm going to break the law and hire this person and pay them under the table at a severely reduced wage, because fuck America."

      Nailed it. Thanks Bob.

      But, some of those illegals hang out in front of Home Depot or whatever and craftsmen pick them up at the beginning of the day and return them at the end of the day with a bit of money in their pocket. Illegal Immigration and the Death of the Middle Class are actually pretty deep and complex subjects.

      But your original statement is exceedingly useful, so I stand by judgement of "nailed it!". No puns intended. ;)

      --
      "Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
    140. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by aybiss · · Score: 1

      That's just what America tells itself. Just keep saying that you're free, the greatest country on Earth, etc. and a surprising number of people will be too stupid to check if it's true.

      --
      It's OK Bender, there's no such thing as 2.
    141. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by tigersha · · Score: 1

      I saw Stallman speak once and honestly, he came over as a religious cult figure. If Jesus came back 2000 years later he would be much like Stallman.

      The crowd actually had people entranced by him in some dreamlike hypnotic state. HE had a robe on and came on to the stage with a halo on his head and announced himself as St Stallman of the Church of Gnu. He acted Jesus, had the Jesus arguments and got the same response as Jesus. He was a latter day Jesus. It was an amazing performance.

      Same religious charm, same socialist crap, same complete disregard for the fact that people have to eat, same disregard for the reality that a brotherhood of man will never happen and giving anyone anything free they would take it and the creator would starve.

      I actually had the gall to ask him QA what he thinks of the MPAA and RIAA. That set of the most incredible nuclear firestorm rant I ever saw.

      --
      The dangers of excessive individualism are nothing compared to the oppressiveness of excessive collectivism
    142. Re:Bad for me, but not for thee by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      He's a well-known tech guy. He (and we) should be able to get someone to rig up a physical switch to make/break the battery contact connection, right? All the privacy/security people complain about this, but it seems like this would be a simple thing to agitate for.

      Or to pre-order.

  2. Me neither by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The people who are important enough that they'd need a call phone have a secretary anyway. For the rest of us, cell phones are money sinks and toys.

    1. Re:Me neither by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The people who are important enough that they'd need a call phone have a secretary anyway. For the rest of us, cell phones are money sinks and toys.

      I buy and sell very expensive things like cars, boats, and houses. We're talking six and seven figure stuff here, not stuff the average person can afford.

      I need my customers to be able to reach me quickly and easily, so I can sell them whatever it is they want as quickly as possible before they change their mind.

      This doesn't make me "important", but it does illustrate that your notion of who "needs" a cell phone is not accurate. A cell phone is absolutely essential for my business, and I do not want or need a secretary or any other intermediary. The people with whom I deal are smart, they are used to getting excellent service, and their expectations relative to service are extremely high ( with good reason : when you're throwing millions of dollars or Euros around, it puts you in a different class, to be frank ).

    2. Re: Me neither by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't have a secretary you are doing it wrong.

    3. Re: Me neither by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This entire thread belongs in /r/gatekeeping

    4. Re: Me neither by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't have a secretary you are doing it wrong.

      When you bring home $20 million a year after taxes, I'll listen to your advice.

      Until then, thanks for the laughs, chump.

    5. Re: Me neither by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, be honest. you do no such thing.
      If you did, you wouldn't be posting here.
      You'd be off , oh, bathing in the blood of virgins or buying apartments and evicting people.

  3. Using other people's phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That works because everyone else is carrying Stalin's dream.
    If nobody did, it'd be like the times before everyone had a cell phone. Life was quite tolerable then too.

    1. Re:Using other people's phones by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Yeah, how could he not see the huge flaw in this?

      Not to mention that voiceprinting could pair his voice with his location even without a unique identifier like SIM.

    2. Re:Using other people's phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can only speak for me, but my life was *better* then, not merely tolerable.

    3. Re:Using other people's phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why Free Software Evangelist Richard Stallman is Haunted by proper hygiene.

    4. Re:Using other people's phones by 1ucius · · Score: 2

      In fairness, back then, pay phones everwhere. They've just disappeared because everyone is already carrying a phone.

    5. Re:Using other people's phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if he knows Stalin is still listening to him through other people's phones!

    6. Re:Using other people's phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      life is *always* better back when.

    7. Re:Using other people's phones by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      The flaw is an inherent social logic flaw, you can never really make yourself safe, you can only strive to make others safe and by doing so, making yourself safe. You must be active in protecting the privacy of others if you want to protect your own, even when being very active protecting the privacy of others, ensure as a result of your activity, you now have far less privacy than most. You accept your loss and continue to strive for others because that is the only way you will get yours back.

      I expect my every digital interaction to be monitored and recorded, so what, what I lose is worth far less, that what I seek to protect and I accept that loss. I will not get my privacy back until everyone else get's theirs back and this as a result of striving for their privacy, just the way it is. Stallman is in error, he can not protect himself by isolating himself, he can only seek to recover what he has already lost by striving for others (would they be monitoring Stallman, of course, at all times).

      --
      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
    8. Re:Using other people's phones by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      The inherent social logic flaw is that we have made our surroundings more intelligent than our bodies. I get cravings for (too much) high fat food because my body thinks calories are scarce. I still appreciate the comfort of a real fire. People are dumbasses when it comes to technology and they don't know what they have done.

      --
      Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
  4. Faraday cage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why doesn't he just use a phone case that is a faraday cage with sound proofing and only take it out when he needed it?

    Surely someone invented small faraday cage phone cases by now. Or else just use a ton of aluminum foil and test call it.

    1. Re:Faraday cage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cuz that would just be dorky.

    2. Re:Faraday cage by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Because the Faraday cage would prevent the phone from RECEIVING calls? Likewise, shutting off digital data stops text messages, doesn't it?

      --
      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    3. Re:Faraday cage by Nkwe · · Score: 2

      Because the Faraday cage would prevent the phone from RECEIVING calls? Likewise, shutting off digital data stops text messages, doesn't it?

      Sure, but that's the point. You turn your phone off and put it in a Faraday cage - doing this you will know that even if the phone is not really off, it won't be able to communicate or use radio signals (gps, wifi) to track your location. When you want to make a call, receive a call (at some prearranged time), or use data services, you take the phone out of the cage and power it up. This of course would make you visible, but those tracking you would only see your location at point of time of your choosing. Many of these products exist, just search for "faraday bag". I purchased one for fun and it does seem to work. Do I use it on a regular basis? Nope, too much trouble and I am not that paranoid. Okay I am a little paranoid, my current phone doesn't have a removable battery so I got the bag in case I wanted to be "off grid" (a little). More of an exercise in principle.

    4. Re: Faraday cage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not nearly goofd enough as one poster pointed. See that makes sense

    5. Re:Faraday cage by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      Stallman cares about being dorky? Since when?

      Imagine 007 eating toejam...but in a suave sexy manner. Bond...nom nom...James Bond...nom nom. Sure Bond would suck toes if the girl wanted...safe bet.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    6. Re:Faraday cage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's still the same phone that can be repetitively tracked and the patterns of where/when/who/etc of the use of the phone can be used to build a big picture of the person's lifestyle.

    7. Re:Faraday cage by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      there is
      https://www.amazon.com/FawkesB...
      and don't call me Shirley

    8. Re:Faraday cage by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      Last I knew text messages were actually sent through in the regular pings that your phone and the surrounding cell towers exchange. Those packets always had some empty space in them and your text messages were packed into that space, which is why the character limit was always so small. There was a lot of grumbling around here back then that the cell phone companies were charging a premium for making use of that bit of bandwidth that was just going to waste anyways.

    9. Re:Faraday cage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't practically soundproof a thing you want to carry around with you. It takes at least a few inches of material to reduce sound transmission to levels where the microphone in your smartphone won't be able to listen in on you. So you'd be carrying around something the size of a football. A better solution is a hardware switch to cut all power to the electronics, but this implies you either need to trust the manufacturer or have significant skills (and a manufacturer that designs phones in a way that allows alteration).

    10. Re:Faraday cage by JThundley · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's a serious answer:
      Because when he takes the phone out of the Faraday cage, it'll instantly start spying on him again. The phone would be his, the billing would be tied to his name, and his whereabouts would be tracked when it came out. Also, the phone and apps are proprietary, which he refuses to use and support.

      Oh and also he believes credit cards to also be an intrusive form of surveillance so he doesn't have any. It's hard to pay for phone service without one.

    11. Re:Faraday cage by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re "but those tracking you would only see your location at point of time of your choosing."
      The smartphone saves up its tracking data burst until the smartphone is networked again.
      Any past moments to that location get sent. Soft power off does not turn the OS and its tracking off.
      Every time the Faraday cage is removed a map of the users movements is created.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    12. Re:Faraday cage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if the phone was being prevented from receiving GPS or cell tower transmissions while it is in the faraday bag
      Phones can do some amount of inertial tracking, but that becomes wildly inaccurate without another (gps or cell tower) measurement to tie it to.

    13. Re:Faraday cage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did the phone know its location while it was inside the Faraday cage?

    14. Re:Faraday cage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only as far as the inertial navigation can be used and they drift too much to be accurate over periods of time longer than a few hours. GPS signal are also blocked by Faraday cages.

    15. Re:Faraday cage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well there's a much easier way: just bring the phone with you, but with the battery taken out, in another pocket.
      Once you need the phone, put the battery on.

    16. Re:Faraday cage by ImdatS · · Score: 2

      In the very early days of mobile communication, at least here in Germany, text messages were for free because the two TelCos (D1 and D2) didn't think you could make money out of it and assumed it to be just a curiosity.

      Then they realized that people were using text messages instead of making a call (maybe in 1-5% of cases) and they started introducing fees for text messages. You are right, it is just part of some anyway required communication and it should've been free... but hey, if you can make money, why not make money even with "practically free-of-cost stuff" - text messages had the highest margin of all mobile communications at some point...

      (Man, I realize I'm really getting old)

    17. Re:Faraday cage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you can not open the phone, do some tinkering and install a on/off switch for battery, microphone or antenna? It is simple tinkering. Yes, the result is may-be not so pretty and nice with added switches, but privacy is nicer than the looks of the phone.

    18. Re:Faraday cage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because when he takes the phone out of the Faraday cage, it'll instantly start spying on him again.

      While technically true, it only spies on him when and where he chooses. Once he takes the phone out, it knows where he is, not where he's been, not where he's going. It gives him a little bit of control over the spying.

      The phone would be his, the billing would be tied to his name

      Never heard of prepaid phones? They do exist, and names are not tied to those phones.

      Also, the phone and apps are proprietary, which he refuses to use and support.

      What apps are you talking about here? You seem to have a very narrow focus here.

      Oh and also he believes credit cards to also be an intrusive form of surveillance so he doesn't have any. It's hard to pay for phone service without one.

      Again with your narrow focus. I can go to fucking Walmart right now and buy a prepaid mobile phone for $30, and it will work until I stop reloading it. Not really as hard as you think.

    19. Re:Faraday cage by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Are you sure you want to do that? Then they'll really know you are up to something.

      --
      Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
    20. Re:Faraday cage by JThundley · · Score: 1

      My narrow focus is on Stallman and how he thinks. You say it only spies on him when and where he chooses. Guess what genius, the acceptable amount of spying that he permits is ZERO. That's what being a purist means. That prepaid phone from Walmart runs proprietary software.

  5. He's not really free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He is simply sacrificing one freedom for the illusion of another.

  6. It's my pleasure! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Giving up my privacy and security, so that Richard Stallman remains safe and secure. That's half-assed IMHO.

    1. Re:It's my pleasure! by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Yes, quick, we must all immediately cancel our cellphone plans in order to stop this communist freeloader from making free phone calls! How did he trick us into this?! GAAAAAA! /sarcasm

      There. Do you see how you sound?

    2. Re:It's my pleasure! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's all in your head. Paraphrasing someone's words as gibberish isn't an argument, it's a strawman fallacy.
      Maybe the OP was being sarcastic too.

    3. Re:It's my pleasure! by Immerman · · Score: 1

      If that were the deal, it would be a bad one. But it's not - you chose to give up your privacy and security for your own personal convenience. You could easily choose otherwise, just as he did. Now, if enough people chose that route then borrowing someone else's phone would stop being viable, and there might be a market for phones you could easily and confidently turn off. But that's a world that doesn't currently exist.

      --
      --- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
    4. Re:It's my pleasure! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you chose to give up your privacy and security for your own personal convenience.

      That's an extremely broad generalization, it's sensationalist nonsense which is why people don't take it seriously. Be specific about what you mean when you say "privacy" and "security".

    5. Re:It's my pleasure! by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Sure - you allow the government, or anyone else willing to hire a good hacker, the ability to know exactly where you are, and listen to everything around you, whenever they want.

      Individually, that's at least a little unnerving to consider, but really, who would care about me? On the other hand, that's the sort of information that makes it really easy to apply leverage to powerful people. And on the population level - that's the kind of civilian intelligence network that would have made the KGB wet themselves with glee.

      Now maybe nobody is abusing that information for anything beyond marketing yet. But exactly how long do you think you can dangle that sort of temptation in front of the sort of ambitious men that gravitate to positions of power, before someone manages to seize it for their own ambitions?

      --
      --- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
  7. I refuse to carry a portable phone. I never have one and unless things change, I never will. I do use portable phones, lots of different ones. If I needed to call someone right now, I would ask one of you, "Could you please make a call for me?" If I am on a bus and it is late and I need to tell somebody that I am going to arrive late, there is always some other passenger in the bus who will make a call for me or send a text for me. Practically speaking, it is not that hard.

    So as long as other people are around who are willing to be exploited slaves, it's all good. You get the benefits of the phones when you need them, while their owners get the drawbacks.

    Thanks Richard!

    1. Re: oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's his fault how? He's championed the cause. He's warned us all about the dangers. We didn't listen, thanks Richard indeed.

      Deflect the blame from your own choices. You are a coward. The real kind.!

    2. Re:oh by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      I'd consider it worse if he were militant about his ideology and wanted to ban anyone else from freely choosing those decisions for themselves. As long as consumers are properly informed and capable of providing consent, I don't believe that it's any of my business to interfere with their choices.

      I consider smoking tobacco to be stupid for a variety of reasons and do not and will not do it myself, but I'm not going to prohibit anyone else from making up their own mind. Can it be said that I can get the benefits of having other people smoke (someone having a lighter handy I suppose) without the drawbacks?

    3. Re: oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Insulting people on the internet, on the other hand, usually indicates the highest levels of bravery. I am truly in awe of your magnificence.

    4. Re: oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's his fault how?

      What's his fault? He clearly said it's not that hard to avoid being exploited because there are always people around who are being exploited that you can then just exploit further to your own advantage. If everybody listened to that then all of a sudden there wouldn't be people carrying phones that he could leech from.

  8. Seems like a weird approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So RMS won't carry a cell phone himself, but he will borrow someone else's, placing a call or a text to people he knows. Which would then be traceable back to a location. That doesn't make sense. If he is fine with mobile phone calls and sending messages over plain text, then why not carry a cell phone of his own and just disconnect the battery when he's not using it?

    All he is doing is making his life unnecessarily complicated and annoying the people around him so he doesn't need to turn a mobile phone on/off when he wants to use it. This isn't smart or deep or a stand against technology, it's just being stubborn and anti-social without benefit. Like if I refused to buy items off Amazon, but then asked my relatives to buy all my books for me from their store.

    1. Re:Seems like a weird approach by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      stubborn and anti-social without benefit

      That's our rms to a T.
      Well /s on the "without benefit". ?

      --

      the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

    2. Re:Seems like a weird approach by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1, Troll

      > So RMS won't carry a cell phone himself, but he will borrow someone else's, placing a call or a text to people he knows. Which would then be traceable back to a location. That doesn't make sense.

      It's called being a hypocrite.

      All he has done is defer the problem.

      He's fine with someone else trading their freedoms when it's convenient for HIM but when it comes to him trading his freedom it's now inconvenient. That's a REAL nice double standard you got there.

      Standing for your principles doesn't let you off the hook with people who don't share them.

      Analogy of Stallman's "Logic":

      I don't murder people so I'll hire this hit man to do it for me.

      HUH!?!?

      Either you are part of the solution or part of the problem. He is still part of the problem -- regardless of how he justifies it.

    3. Re:Seems like a weird approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course he's fine with it. What right does he have to disagree? It's not like he can bloody prevent people from owning/using cellphones, is it? What do you want him to do? Attempt to rob people?

      Who's the hypocrite exactly?

      Besides, your running around with a phone in your pocket all the time has caused the removal of all payphones, the least you owe someone who doesn't have one and in need of making a call is lending them your phone for a few minutes, you selfish bugger.

    4. Re:Seems like a weird approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The man eats shit from his feet. That's basically all you need to know.

    5. Re:Seems like a weird approach by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      /whoosh

      If was serious about his principles he wouldn't be using ANY mobile phone: his OR others.

      He's compromising his principles by leeching off of the very system he is complaining about. See the problem now?

      > It's not like he can bloody prevent people from owning/using cellphones, is it?

      He doesn't have. (It wouldn't work anyways.) Cell phones are here to stay -- for better or for worse.

      You have to pick and choose your battles. He is SO focused on one TINY little insignificant battle that he is missing the entire war.

      Either he should get his _own_ burner phone OR stop using OTHER people's -- because _either_ way he isn't stopping the problem.

      If landlines and payphones have disappeared then he needs to ask himself a question:

      At what point do you realize that your dogma of ideology is ignoring practicality?

      ANY ideology taken to an extreme is never a good idea. EVERY technology is ALWAYS about a compromise of ideology. Stallman doesn't understand that.

    6. Re:Seems like a weird approach by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC the voice print is then linked to many other unrelated devices :)

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    7. Re:Seems like a weird approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course he's fine with it. What right does he have to disagree?

      Oh yes, I'm too morally righteous to keep slaves but please, could you have your slave carry my bags for me?

    8. Re:Seems like a weird approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Baah.

    9. Re:Seems like a weird approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the slaves willingly and voluntarily gave up their freedom, what's the problem? It's all the same to them who's bags they are carrying. Besides, there's nothing preventing me from paying them appropriately for their services.

  9. Fascinating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    " If I am on a bus and it is late and I need to tell somebody that I am going to arrive late, there is always some other passenger in the bus who will make a call for me or send a text for me."

    This man is living a true hippie's dream

  10. Free as in freeloader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do use portable phones, lots of different ones. If I needed to call someone right now, I would ask one of you, "Could you please make a call for me?" If I am on a bus and it is late and I need to tell somebody that I am going to arrive late, there is always some other passenger in the bus who will make a call for me or send a text for me. Practically speaking, it is not that hard.

    The devices are evil, therefore he does not use his own with security mitigations, but relies on others being victims to navigate the modern world.

    Doesn't seem ethical to me.

    1. Re:Free as in freeloader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's just proving that you don't have to be a slave-owner to benefit from people having slaves but at the same time you can be all self-righteous about how bad slave-owning is.

  11. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Like most leftists, he's fine with using Stalin's Dream as long as it's invading your life and not his

    Bullshit.

    He's saying quite clearly no one who cares about their freedom and/or privacy should carry around one of these devices. He's right.

    He's also (indirectly implying or saying) that most people choose convenience over freedom. He's right about that too.

    Finally, he's making the point to those who might care _almost_ as much about their freedom as convenience that, as long as there are so many people willing to trade their freedom for convenience, those who care about such things can piggy-back off of them to get almost the same level of convenience without compromising their location 24/7/365.25. He's right about that as well.

    He is not saying "Freedom for me, not for you" he's merely mentioning a useful workaround that he probably himself hopes will become untenable someday (because everyone "sees the light" and stops carrying surveillance devices around). He's also implicitly acknowledging that that is most likely a pipe-dream, and he's right about that most of all.

    But nice try on the right-wing anti-leftist spin against a guy who had the audacity to share his source code with the world, and write a license to help others do the same. I'm sure Putin likes you very much.

    1. Re:Bullshit by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      Finally, he's making the point to those who might care _almost_ as much about their freedom as convenience that, as long as there are so many people willing to trade their freedom for convenience, those who care about such things can piggy-back off of them to get almost the same level of convenience without compromising their location 24/7/365.25. He's right about that as well.

      They're not getting that level of convenience from anyone once it becomes known what they think of the people they turn to...

    2. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally, he's making the point to those who might care _almost_ as much about their freedom as convenience that, as long as there are so many people willing to trade their freedom for convenience, those who care about such things can piggy-back off of them to get almost the same level of convenience without compromising their location 24/7/365.25.

      Why should I care if google or whatever knows that I'm trying to get from one place to another? That's the real issue, I'm not forced to use it so if there really is a compelling reason that don't want anybody to know I can just not use the service and even not take my phone. The fact is there has been a whole lot less genocide and oppression post-cell phones than pre-cell phones when you look at developed nations. The "giving up your freedom" argument is nonsense too, you're not giving up freedom at all and whatever free information you're making available you are also free to stop making available whenever you please.

      But pointing that out just undermines RMS's whole argument, the reality is you get to decide when you trade information for convenience. RMS pontificates that you shouldn't use a computer that you can't control yet he travels on an airplane that he doesn't control governed by software that he knows nothing about and doesn't control because he's giving up freedom for convenience. He's a hypocrite.

    3. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Making a computerized cellphone, or even a cellphone for that matter, that respects privacy would be very easy. All you would need to do is make physical on/off switches for the cellular modem/wifi modem/ and GPS. To respect user freedom the drivers/kernel/os would need to be free. Also, pretty easy. The only real difficult part is the politics and perhaps economics involved.

    4. Re:Bullshit by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      >This exact comment has already been posted. Try to be more original...

      Let me rephrase then:

      Verbatim:

      > I do use portable phones, lots of different ones. If I needed to call someone right now, I would ask one of you, "Could you please make a call for me?"

      --
      I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
    5. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Making a computerized cellphone, or even a cellphone for that matter, that respects privacy would be very easy.

      Yet all the FOSS advocates that have been banging on about it for years have not done it so they are incompetent, complainers rather than doers or it is in fact not that easy.

      The reality is you are using somebody elses network, you don't own the network so you don't control the network. Stallman's idea of freedom is that you need to own everything and understand (or place your trust in somebody else to understand) all the pieces involved. Do you really trust that say the Linux has no vulnerabilities known only to black hats? Sure if white hat hackers discover them then they can likely be fixed but your privacy and security is wide open up until that point.

  12. iphones,5g are a population culling technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    #FIpridejesus #xxri the apple logo represents satans proudest moment when eve bit the apple 2.4GHz microwave ovens and current 4g tech operate at this frequency. 5g/HDMI/current processor resonant frequencies of other substances aside from water, use your imaganation to see the implications.

  13. in the neighborhood and can I give a speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Richard Stallman recently visited Mandya, a small town about 60 miles from Bengaluru, India, to give a talk.

    He just happened to get on an international flight, travel many hours, book hotel rooms, buy food to give a talk. He apparently did this without any compensation for his expenses.

    Mention that he must have got compensated somehow in the lead in /. blurb.

    1. Re:in the neighborhood and can I give a speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Richard Stallman recently visited Mandya, a small town about 60 miles from Bengaluru, India, to give a talk.

      He just happened to get on an international flight, travel many hours, book hotel rooms, buy food to give a talk. He apparently did this without any compensation for his expenses.

      Mention that he must have got compensated somehow in the lead in /. blurb.

      Toe Cheese has very specific guidelines for making travel arrangements, you are free to find out about them by using a search engine such as google at your convenience, a freedom that Toe Cheese doesn't have.

    2. Re: in the neighborhood and can I give a speech by frdmfghtr · · Score: 1

      Quite some time ago, I read an article about this sort of thing...how he travels for talks and such. To paraphrase what I remember, he doesnâ(TM)t book the flight, the host does that for him. The host also books the accommodations and arranges transportation. He just asks for a little spending money for meals (cash, no credit card). He wonâ(TM)t use a credit card, or pay expenses and submit a reimbursement request. Basically her said that, if at any time he is asked for a credit card (like checking in to the hotel) then the host of the talk didnâ(TM)t do their job correctly.

      In exchange for all that, he doesnâ(TM)t charge a speaking fee.

      Now, this was some time ago so I may not have the details correct, but you should get the gist of the story: he wonâ(TM)t do anything that could have the potential (real or perceived) breach of his privacy and personal information.

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    3. Re: in the neighborhood and can I give a speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I booked several speakers for my company and it was the same procedure:
      - My company paid first class airfare
      - My company paid for first class limousine to/from airport and to/from the speaking event.
      - My company put the person up at an expensive hotel in an expensive room for 4 or 5 days for a 1 night 1 hour speech
      - My company gave away / sold tickets to the hundreds which would attend. Each ticket holder got a book by the speaker - inflating book circulation - secondary revenue for the speaker
      - My company paid $ speaking fee to the speaker
      - The speaker's assistant brought in a few extra boxes of books and sold them at cover price during the event at at likely a 75% profit margin over printing costs

      One speaker made my company pay for everything.
      The other speaker made us to pay him cash up front for all his fixed expenses and he would book all of the accommodations. He booked a cheaper hotel, cheaper rental car, etc and pocketed an extra $1000.00 for a days work.

      The 'i did this for free' nonsense is only if you do not count how many books the author directly sold to the attendees.

    4. Re: in the neighborhood and can I give a speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And from time to time, somebody wants to see the monkey dance. And pay for the treat.

  14. Let someone else do it by Thad+Boyd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's interesting -- I remember the first time I read Utopia (probably in high school?), my objection was that Moore's premise of living a perfect life in a perfect society relied on letting somebody else fight all the wars.

    I respect Stallman and I'm glad he's out there, but I smell a whiff of that here: it's "not that hard" for him to live without the convenience of a cell phone because he's able to assume someone else will be.

    1. Re:Let someone else do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that was my thought too. Stallman is fine so long as everyone around him is willing to be tracked? That seems a far less than ideal solution. It is functional, but it isn't very idealistic. It isn't very Stallman.

      Also, does Stallman really think that he can't be tracked using his system? With content inspection, and there's lots of that going on, I'll bet that Stallman can be tracked relatively easily. Maybe Stallman is living in denial on this topic? Even with strong encryption, I'm willing to bet that's only a partial solution to the invasion of privacy problem. He'd need aliases, false ID, avoidance of commercial carriers, vehicle swaps, the whole panoply of paranoiac solutions, in order to have any chance of staying under the surveillance radar.

    2. Re:Let someone else do it by pavon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Before the days of cell phones, there were many more pay-phones around, and many businesses were fine with letting you use their phone to make a (local) call if there wasn't a pay-phone nearby. It is only because everyone else has adopted cellphones that these other options have gone away. Therefore, I don't see his approach as hypocritical; just living in the world we are in.

    3. Re:Let someone else do it by rahvin112 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You know, there was a time when no one had cell phones and we all got along fine. In many ways it was better.

    4. Re:Let someone else do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It reminds me of the people who live in old vans and stuff. They don't need no shower, bathroom, kitchen or anything fancy like that. They shit at the bus station, eat out every meal, and shower at the gym. At some point you go from being self reliant utterly reliant on everybody else who do the things you won't.

    5. Re:Let someone else do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Orthodox Jews call those "other people with a cell phone" Shabbos goys. Since orthodox Jews can't use cell phones, check their email, or even turn on a light switch, it's always good to have a non-Jewish friend around who can do that stuff for you...does it defeat the purpose and spirit of the Sabbath? I don't know, but there is mostly DEFINITELY a whiff of that from Stallman.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbos_goy

    6. Re:Let someone else do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what is wrong with my OLD flip phone?

      All the data they can get is tower info saying I am in the middle of town. Pretty sure noone can turn on the mic remotely. There are no apps to be malicious. If the Metadata is that telling use a prepaid burner phone. If the Metadata is that evil, shame on you for using someone else's phone :(

      I don't have anyone to call but still like having it on me....

      Sadly, I just updated and the newer* one is GPS enabled.

      *still a 10 year-old phone and still have 2 more I spent a whole $5 a piece on for like new phones!

    7. Re:Let someone else do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You know, there was a time when no one had cell phones and we all got along fine. In many ways it was better.

      Many ways, but in emergencies, cell phones have become amazing. And their tracking features have helped in emergencies too.

    8. Re:Let someone else do it by swillden · · Score: 4

      You know, there was a time when no one had cell phones and we all got along fine. In many ways it was better.

      Meh. I didn't get my first cellphone until I was almost 30, so I had plenty of experience with the pre-cellular life. We got along fine only because we spent a lot of extra time and effort on pre-planning. Want to meet your friends or relatives somewhere? Better get it all set up in advance, and with a high degree of precision. If one of you makes a mistake and is off by a smallish amount on the time or the location, you're not going to meet. Break down on the road? If you can't fix it on the spot you're going to have to hitch a ride to where you can get help, or hope a cop comes buy to radio for a tow truck. And if you were on your way to meet someone, they'll have no idea why you didn't show up.

      Those are just two examples. Those who have grown up with the freedom provided by cell phones have no idea how much extra effort it took to get around. Some who grew up without phones have forgotten, or are just engaging in the Golden Age fallacy.

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    9. Re:Let someone else do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Planning in advance is a bad thing?
      It's no wonder people can't plan ahead for shit when their whole life they've been sold on winging it.
      Lake Stallman, I don't own a mobile phone for almost all the same reasons. The privacy angle bugs the shit out of me but it comes down to cost/benefit. Cell phones are expensive in Canada. I would find it convenient to have remote data/phone at most a couple of times a year. It's just not worth having one for me. My wife has one, as does my daughter. Neither needs one. I don't think my daughter has called anyone ever with hers and the only person she texts is my wife, usually when they're in the same house together. It's totally stupid, but so is owning a cell phone to begin with.

    10. Re:Let someone else do it by citylivin · · Score: 1

      Considering that i dont carry a cel phone and manage fine you are 100% wrong mr addict.

      i wish you could go back in time and see how ridiculous you sound.

      Want to meet your friends and relatives somewhere? Arrange it. You have to anyways. If you are late, you are late. If you don't show because your car broke down, oh well. Maybe i am crazy, but i dont really care if friends or relatives don't know where i am every waking second..

      Break down on the road? Well I live in the city, so i would hail a cab, take a bus, etc. Then bring the parts back and fix my car. Aint no way i am paying 100$ for a tow. And if I really had to call a tow truck, most businesses have a phone you can use. Same as it always was, except less payphones around.

      "Those who have grown up with the freedom provided by cell phones have no idea how much extra effort it took to get around."

      Are you kidding me? The extra effort of planning ahead and knowing how to use a fucking map???

      This is exactly why i will never have a smartphone. People become so dependent on them they turn stupid. Your post exemplifies this.

      Being present in the moment trumps ALL the truely trivial concerns you have raised. I am sure some people can use cel phones without it turning them into a zombie, but I haven't met that person yet.

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    11. Re:Let someone else do it by swillden · · Score: 0

      I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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    12. Re:Let someone else do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maps are annoying. I remember those days, I used to have to buy/beg/borrow/steal maps for each new locale I was visiting. Ever had to chuck around a couple of Thomas guides/AAA maps to just get around? I did, and I certainly remember. Trying to find an even semi-obscure house was an exercise in frustration, squinting at often out-of-date maps. Just getting your bearings correctly while driving was definitely quite a bit more dangerous than it is today with modern GPS. The internet certainly helped with that (people used to PRINT out MapQuest directions).
      Planning ahead - yeah, right... Trying to gather people together was a real pain the past, organizing events, was typically a multi-day effort to coral people together. No thanks, not if you had to do any real business.
      And don't get me even started on how annoying casual photography was before digital photography/smartphones. Chucking around a film camera with a couple dozen max prints which you had to find a store to process them without any type of preview certainly sucked.
      Everyone seems to focus on the negatives of smart phones, yet they forget how bad things were in the past.
      8 bit computers and CRT screens seem quaint and fun from a nostalgic POV, but just be glad that you aren't forced to use them on a day-to-day basis. There's a reason we don't drive around in horse-drawn carriages anymore, and anyone who disagrees is just a curmudgeon. You can hide under a rock all you want (it's your right and frankly, nobody cares), but don't go around denouncing others for accepting progress.

    13. Re:Let someone else do it by exomondo · · Score: 1

      You know, there was a time when no one had cell phones and we all got along fine.

      Stalin, Hitler, Pot, etc did just fine without cell phones too. With more pervasive technology it can be easier to track people but it is also easier for people to coordinate, encryption means you can organise in secret be that by directly sending encrypted messages or spamming encrypted messages to hide the identity of the true intended recipient.

    14. Re:Let someone else do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you kidding me? The extra effort of planning ahead and knowing how to use a fucking map???

      Hey if I can know the traffic conditions all the time that makes planning a hell of a lot easier and when things happen I can adapt. I don't know why you think that means I wouldn't know how to use a map, any time I travel beyond the reach of cell service offroading I have to use a map.

      This is exactly why i will never have a smartphone. People become so dependent on them they turn stupid.

      Sounds more like you're just projecting your own lack of self-control. Just because you go to a restaurant doesn't mean you don't know how to cook, just because you can send an email doesn't mean you can't send a letter. If your brain can't manage multiple ways of achieving something and falling back to the less convenient way when the more convenient way isn't available then yes, you're right not to get a smartphone, it would cripple you.

    15. Re:Let someone else do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was one of the first people selling and installing cell phones in silicon valley in 1984, I never bought one.

      Over the years, I've tried a couple of trac phones and a couple more friends gave me their old phones, but all of them never got used and the batteries died.

      Oh, I used the second one when I was on the road, once, yes, once.

      I don't "need" a cell phone because I have a land-line phone at home and everything can wait, I don't feel the need to be a slave to technology, like nearly everyone else does.

      On the road on my motorcycle, I use a paper map if I need to, but even then, only used it a few times, because in CA and the Western US anyway, the road signs suffice just fine for direction finding.

      I'm a Ham Radio Operator, so my one concession to "emergency" communications is a small 2 Meter/70cm handy-talky which will often connect with help in remote places more than any cell phone can.

      People have surrendered their sovereignty to technology for the sake of convenience, it's a tragic turn of our history, and I wonder if our "free" society can survive it long enough to rebel against the tyranny of constant surveillance.

    16. Re:Let someone else do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Archaic reply. Shove it down your pants with the hot grits. Since Linux has taken the desktop Slashdot has moved on and doesn't cover tech anymore, or can't you tell?

    17. Re:Let someone else do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't feel the need to be a slave to technology, like nearly everyone else does.

      Then your problem is your own lack of self control and projecting that flaw onto others as a way to make yourself feel ok about it. How exactly do you end up as a slave to technology? If you use google maps when it's convenient does that impede your ability to read and follow a regular map? If you have the ability to make a phone call at any given time do you really lack the self control to then wait until you get home to make that call?

      People have surrendered their sovereignty to technology for the sake of convenience

      That drama-queen nonsense is just horrendously overplayed. These fantastical hyperbolic statements that lack any real concrete examples only demonstrate the fundamental lack of control that people like yourself have that you could not have technology because you lack the ability to use it in moderation.

    18. Re:Let someone else do it by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Meh. I didn't get my first cellphone until I was almost 30, so I had plenty of experience with the pre-cellular life. We got along fine only because we spent a lot of extra time and effort on pre-planning.

      Um... it wasn't that bad. It was largely the same in that you specified a time and a place. If the place was both large and unfamiliar then sure cell phones are a boon but for like 95% of it (pub? 8pm? the usual?) there wasn't that much difference. We still had regular phones so it's not like you had to write a letter and wait for it to arrive.

      About the same degree of planning is usally required because "want to meet whereever whenever let's figure it out closer to the time" doesn't really work for anyone I know (or me) because we both/all have to be free. And if you both have to travel then you still need to set out on time for the expected arrival time otherwise you'll leave the other person waiting.

      I mean sure, there's now less uncertainty if one person is running late, you can give an ETA so the on-time person.

      I guess cellphones make same-day planning easier, but now I and my friends are older, it's not like we're always free at the drop of a hat anyway so I rarely organise things same day.

      Break down on the road? If you can't fix it on the spot you're going to have to hitch a ride to where you can get help, or hope a cop comes buy to radio for a tow truck. And if you were on your way to meet someone, they'll have no idea why you didn't show up.

      That is indisputably better with cellphones.

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    19. Re:Let someone else do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. And one of the first thing the Stalin did, was to install the national switch board (US made) for "secure governmental phone network" inside the Kremlin. Next to his working cabinet. And he let the special secret line installed from that room to his cabinet (phone was inside the desk drawer), so he could listen in to hear what his "rivals-colleagues" in high places" were talking.

    20. Re:Let someone else do it by havana9 · · Score: 1

      I remember livin in a pre-cellphone era too. Before that there were the VHF carphones and then the UHF carphones. Eventually ETACS analogue carphones and then portable phones arrived. They wese easier to operate and cheaper than the older carphones.
      In the good old days there were a lot of people with a CB radio on the car or on the lorry, because was a cheap alternative. I remember also that some people bought 45 MHz cordless phones that could be modified to have a longer range.
      I also remember that almost all people that had a sailboat or a sailbot license used the VHF marine HTs even when firmly on the land.
      And of course there were more payphones and people were more precise in planning meetings.
      Nowadays it's expected one has a cell phone, and all the uses and facilities are geared to make the use of it, I couls see that also it's expected that people have smartphones running apps like telegram or whatsapp and it's considered weird to have a landline especially for younger people. What I see happening now it's that people aren't even cosidering to make or answering phone calls on their smartphone: whe are in a new stage of mobile connectivity.

    21. Re:Let someone else do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back almost a decade ago, I had a friend/coworker who was proud about not having being chained to a cell phone, but he went on outdoor events pretty often and it was becoming a problem for everyone else. He finally got one and was entirely surprised he could simply turn it off when he didn't want it. It was a tool he could use when needed. Some people find avoiding the tool easier than self control. Like not keeping snack food in the house.

    22. Re:Let someone else do it by houghi · · Score: 1

      I heard these "But what if I am on the side of the road?" as a thing for cellphones. These things do happen. However they happen not often enough that everybody all the time should have a cellphone with them.

      Put one in your car. Have it turned off but charging. No need to take it with you when you walk from your car to your desk. Not needed to have it with you when you do not even have a car.

      And if you do not meet that person, the world will also not end. You most likely will have a person that you both can contact. "Hey, if Jimmy calls, tell him I am stuck here because of reasons." Or you call the place where you where meeting up.

      That could pose a different problem. I know one person who, as a joke, said "If it is my wife calling, I am not here." in a pub. It was his wife and he told her that he would be in the pub.

      What I do when I am on a holiday for a week is NOT take a charger with me, or a charging cable. Turn off the phone during the day and turn it on for 5 to 10 minutes at night to check (if that). No I do not use the GPS during the holiday. Getting lost is a great thing to do and an experience of an by itself. You see things you did not plan to see and I have time to get somewhere, as I am on a holiday.

      And I do not need to take photo's either. I will remember it (completely wrong I know) and have the memories, not the 10.000.000 photo's. People who want to see it; should come with me or visit it themselves.

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  15. I call it Commuter's Dream. by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    " I call this product Stalin's dream. "

    Without the location data, Google Maps and others would be unable to lead you around the other morons in traffic.
    It allows us to see at which times a restaurant, a Pool or other facilities are used by less people.
    I don't want to miss that.

    1. Re:I call it Commuter's Dream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " I call this product Stalin's dream. "

      Without the location data, Google Maps and others would be unable to lead you around the other morons in traffic.
      It allows us to see at which times a restaurant, a Pool or other facilities are used by less people.
      I don't want to miss that.

      So wrong.
      Location information is necessary to auto-navigate with a map - but it is NOT necessary for some corporation to get that location!
      Try openstreetmap and their "osmand" app. The entire map is downloaded to the phone, after that it uses gps signals only for navigation. No wifi, no data. No downloading of tiles. You can navigate without coverage, you can even navigate in flight mode. Nobody tracks you, and you can still find the way to some specific location, or "the nearest Italian restaurant".

      Navigation in flight mode is also nice in that it saves a lot of power. Nice if you need to navigate a whole day, for example. Nobody needs my location to help me around, they can just give me the map data like openstreetmap does.

    2. Re:I call it Commuter's Dream. by houghi · · Score: 1

      If you need Google to know what the peek hours are in restaurants, you seriously need to go out more. And the 99% of the time you are in traffic, it will be a mess everywhere, because you are going to your job or to your house. No need for any external information.

      I easily can miss it, but I like having it.

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  16. TRANSLATION!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here is the translation of this "news", IMHO:

    "Evil (US) government SPYING on you people!!! Let's turn the whole internet to DARK WEB & make all smartphones impossible to access by Evil (US) Government (so criminals cannot ever get caught anymore)!!! Who is with me???"

  17. Data collection is the evil here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not being able to prevent it is the problem.

  18. Isn't this the same guy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...who went off the Communist Cuba to record music? You know, the totalitarian state that does track everyone's movement, and jails people for illegally owning meat?

  19. Old fartâ(TM)s complains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sound no different than my grandpa talking about the internet in the 90s.
    Sounds like someone who doesnâ(TM)t understand the technology and rejects it based on fear.
    Heâ(TM)s not protecting his privacy, itâ(TM)s just afraid and not interested in technology anymore.

    1. Re:Old fartâ(TM)s complains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This dude was right - https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=13278936&cid=58009496
      Trolls are weak on slashdot.
      I am off to Ars

  20. Re: Stallman is a Stalinist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People who use the GPL, CHOOSE to use the GPL. It isn't shoved down their throats.

    Slashdot isn't even fun anymore. Trolls r weak. Half the userbase is clueless but shoved politics into the convo anyway, because hey that's what we do on FB.

  21. Stallman does more harm than good for open source by SurenEnfiajyan · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    He does more harm than good for free / open source software, especially after the release of a broken license called GPLv3 which doesn't even permit to lock down the binaries compiled from a code using this license. GPL was very popular at its time but after GPLv3 nonsense it's now in decline.

  22. Failing to offer an alternative by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1, Interesting

    What I'm really reading here is someone who has the resources to organize and offer an alternative to Stalin's Dream but isn't. I understand and agree with his misgivings but I disagree with his choice to take no action.

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    1. Re:Failing to offer an alternative by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      Correct, he could, at any time, just choose to set up his own national high bandwidth high security reliable wireless network, and create a hundred a million user friendly wireless devices that allows users to make and receive calls and exchange other data via this network without letting the operator know where they are, but nooooooooooooooooooooooooo, he'd rather just complain about it.

      Or not. As the case may be.

      I've never come across a person who makes Slashdotters lose their collective marbles as much as Stallman. He's to Slashdot like AOC is to conservatives, the media, and the establishment.

      I kinda like him.

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    2. Re:Failing to offer an alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's nuts and totally correct about everything. Big privacy destroying corps have us utterly by the balls and the only way out is to live in a shack in Montana with cans of beans that you bartered gold for.

    3. Re:Failing to offer an alternative by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      Correct, he could, at any time, just choose to set up his own national high bandwidth high security reliable wireless network, and create a hundred a million user friendly wireless devices that allows users to make and receive calls and exchange other data via this network without letting the operator know where they are, but nooooooooooooooooooooooooo, he'd rather just complain about it.

      Actually, what he does have is an audience of very talented individuals. One does not need to create a highspeed wireless network to achieve the goal of enjoying privacy. A peer-to-peer encrypted wireless voice/text network for a single town or city would be enough because it would get the idea off the ground.

      My point is not about succeeding, it's about trying.

      I've never come across a person who makes Slashdotters lose their collective marbles as much as Stallman.

      He has excellent points on issues when he talks about technology but his perspectives on how to resolve issues (by insisting on absolutes) are viewed to be more repellent than the issues themselves.

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    4. Re:Failing to offer an alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I'm really reading here is someone who has the resources to organize and offer an alternative to Stalin's Dream but isn't. I understand and agree with his misgivings but I disagree with his choice to take no action.

      Ever hear of GNU/Hurd?

    5. Re:Failing to offer an alternative by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      My point is not about succeeding, it's about trying.

      He has excellent points on issues when he talks about technology but his perspectives on how to resolve issues (by insisting on absolutes) are viewed to be more repellent than the issues themselves.

      He set up the Free Software foundation. That's the reason we have Linux. People seem to forget that Linux was the LAST piece of the puzzle and the reason it fitted is the entire rest of the OS was already in place from the FSF.

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    6. Re:Failing to offer an alternative by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      I know who he is and what he's done.

      People seem to forget that Linux was the LAST piece of the puzzle

      Please, Linux is 90% of the puzzle. Besides, GNU userland is a clusterfuck of standards non-compliance.

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    7. Re:Failing to offer an alternative by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Please, Linux is 90% of the puzzle.

      Without GNU there would have been no Linux. Linux is now one of the dominant operating systems in the world.

      Besides, GNU userland is a clusterfuck of standards non-compliance.

      Ha! I was there and no. I first touched unix in '94. By 96 or 97 I fiured out that the first thing to do on a new UNIX box was to install the GNU userland because the vendor tools were awful. Subtly incompatible with each other, often slow and fearful of dynamic memory allocation. GNU sed never segfaulted with a long line...

      The GNU userland was more than a breath of fresh air it was a route to sanity.

      Besides, GNU userland is a clusterfuck of standards non-compliance.

      The GNU tools were often years ahead of the POSIX standard, and frequently have many more user-friendly features. The utilities part hasn't been updated in 10 years. GNU Awk fr instance has been setting the standard for decades and POSIX has been slowly adding those features to its specification.

      Personally I'd rather have the tools in a timely manner than 20 years late.

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  23. I wonder about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I get the technophobia (reduce potential attack surface, i.e. facebook, etc). But what the fuck does he have against showers and deodorant?

  24. What an ass by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    So he won't carry a phone but he thinks it's OK to use someone else's? Fuck him.

    1. Re:What an ass by kurkosdr · · Score: 1

      Does he understand that if everyone exhibited the same leech behaviour there would be NO mobile phones to borrow? And I would never allow a stranger on a bus to make a call from my phone anyways.

    2. Re:What an ass by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding? "Sure, that'll be 75c."

    3. Re:What an ass by aicrules · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes he does. Because if no one carried them, there wouldn't be the expectation that you were reachable 24/7. Just like the days before cell phones when people would be out of contact almost entirely during travel. Wouldn't be fun to go back to that now, but that would be his dream.

    4. Re:What an ass by hey! · · Score: 2

      Why wouldn't it be OK to use someone else's?

      He's not saying mobile phones are *inherently* bad. He's saying that the kind of phones sold by carriers today track your movements and possibly eavesdrop on you in other ways. Lending your inherently compromised device to someone else doesn't change that one way or the other.

      Sure, if everybody gave up smartphones to protect their privacy, he couldn't do this. But if everyone did that, carriers would offer more secure phones instead.

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    5. Re:What an ass by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Yes he does. Because if no one carried them, there wouldn't be the expectation that you were reachable 24/7. Just like the days before cell phones when people would be out of contact almost entirely during travel. Wouldn't be fun to go back to that now, but that would be his dream.

      No, it's not that no one's carrying them, it's that everyone is carrying them and he'll find a kind soul to lend him a phone.

      The problem is, if everyone did this (there are a lot of people without cellphones), then despite you asking dozens of people to use their phone, you might not get a chance to use it because they see all the leeches and deny use of the phone.

      I for one, don't lend my phone out to anyone unless I know them, and even then it's risky. After all, they'll have access to your fully unlocked phone.

      Stallman's views might be tainted by his celebrity status - basically if he needs anything, people toss it to him (be it food, shelter or internet access). The problem is for everyone else, that solution isn't necessarily available (otherwise we'd have solved the homeless problem already).

      Of course, one also hopes he's shaved and showered - I'm sure if he comes up to anyone looking like a hobo his chance of actually using a phone will be close to nil. At least outside of the MIT campus.

    6. Re:What an ass by kurkosdr · · Score: 1

      Correct remarks. After all, the ultimate luxury is having the time and ability to tackle non-problems (such as the government supposedly spying you from your phone, even if it's a dumbphone)

    7. Re:What an ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct remarks. After all, the ultimate luxury is having the time and ability to tackle non-problems (such as the government supposedly spying you from your phone, even if it's a dumbphone)

      What do you mean "non-problem"? Are you saying that the government never spied on its citizens before? Or that you think they've never spied on you? Or that you know they spy on you regularly but have so much faith in their competence and honesty that they would never abuse the fact?

    8. Re:What an ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does he understand that if everyone exhibited the same leech behaviour there would be NO mobile phones to borrow?

      Are you sure he leech? When I borrow someone's phone, I always offer to pay. More than the usual cost of a call too, to cover wear and the inconvenience.

    9. Re:What an ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why wouldn't it be OK to use someone else's?

      He's not saying mobile phones are *inherently* bad. He's saying that the kind of phones sold by carriers today track your movements and possibly eavesdrop on you in other ways. Lending your inherently compromised device to someone else doesn't change that one way or the other.

      Sure, if everybody gave up smartphones to protect their privacy, he couldn't do this. But if everyone did that, carriers would offer more secure phones instead.

      Really want a stranger using your cell phone to arrange sex with a minor?

    10. Re:What an ass by aicrules · · Score: 1

      I really think he wants everyone to get rid of their phones. Yes, in today's ultra connected society he admits that if he were to need such access he would rely on the "kindness" of a stranger. But if no body had a cell phone, then there wouldn't be an EXPECTATION that he was able to call ahead if his train was running late. Yes, it's inconvenient for the person waiting for him, but that's how life used to be all the time. People would go hours without knowing exactly where someone was and then they'd show up and life would go on...sometimes on time, sometimes late...sometimes early. So it's not that he disputes the convenience of having a phone available, just that it's not worth it from his point of view.

    11. Re:What an ass by houghi · · Score: 1

      I disconnect on purpose when I am on a holiday. No charger, just 5 minutes at the evening to check if any extremely urgent things happened as not all understand the disconnect I am doing and expect me somehow to answer.
       

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  25. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Love it.

  26. Re:Stallman does more harm than good for open sour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Lock down the binaries"? WTF does that mean?
    Tivoization is incompatible with software freedom.

  27. HAUNTED by not writing a kernel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But he TOTALLY created free computing for all gais!

    Riggen please. Stallman cares about Stallman. End of line.

    1. Re:HAUNTED by not writing a kernel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The kernel is the really useful part. I hope someday to replace every single line of the rest of the GNU software.

  28. It's a hardware problem by SurenEnfiajyan · · Score: 1

    Well, forced freedom isn't true freedom. Tivoization is a hardware issue, you still have the source code to compile your liberated version of software and use it on your liberated device. It's your freedom to lock down the binary and sell it with the hardware. The software doesn't become less free of this.

    1. Re:It's a hardware problem by HatofPig · · Score: 1

      The GPL is user-centric. The user is entitled to fully own their computer, so they can get the source code and modify the software whenever they want. All the restrictions and "unfree" elements of the GPL are placed on distributors and manufacturers because it's not their freedom being protected. I don't get why the GPL3 is in the wrong for prioritizing the freedom of the user to fully control their devices over the freedom of distributors to lock down and control them.

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    2. Re:It's a hardware problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Well, forced freedom isn't true freedom.

      It's the only way that works. We've tried non-GPL3 before and so has he. In the end, non-GPL3 doesn't allow the end user to have control over his computing.

      > Tivoization is a hardware issue, you still have the source code to compile your liberated version of software and use it on your liberated device. It's your freedom to lock down the binary and sell it with the hardware. The software doesn't become less free of this.

      Not everything is about you, the developer/vendor.

      The software *very much* becomes less free for the individual end user if he can't replace it on the hardware he owns.

      You are allowed to lock down hardware all you want, just don't use any free software, then, and instead spend the several million man-hours developing your own closed-source solution.

      Or stop locking stuff down already. Sheesh.

      The GPL3 is doing exactly what it's supposed to do: Protect the end user's ability to control his computing. And I'm going to continue using it.

    3. Re:It's a hardware problem by SurenEnfiajyan · · Score: 1

      The point is that Stallman made the license business unfriendly to the extent that most companies started to shun GPL. Ideology and working business models are incompatible things. Most companies and end users don't care about ideology. Developers want money for their hard work and the users want get shit done without any hiccups. Stallman is just too idealistic, his logic is "all or nothing", but *most* people only care about quality and usability, not whether it's FOSS or not, period.

    4. Re:It's a hardware problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GPL is supposed to be unfriendly to businesses that depend on keeping people from exercising the Four Freedoms.

    5. Re:It's a hardware problem by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      All freedom is forced freedom. Freedom not to be killed ? Others are forced to not kill you under threat of punishment.

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    6. Re:It's a hardware problem by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      The point is that Stallman made the license business unfriendly to the extent that most companies started to shun GPL

      You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. GPLv2 is still available. Linux kernel still uses it.

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    7. Re:It's a hardware problem by SurenEnfiajyan · · Score: 1

      I meant the notorious GPLv3, GPLv2 was actually not that bad. Since GPLv3 release GPL began to lose its popularity. Of course, most old projects which were initially GPL will continue to be GPL but much more new open source projects use non copyleft licenses.

    8. Re:It's a hardware problem by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Since GPLv3 release GPL began to lose its popularity

      GPL does not exist in reality, as a license that can be used - only its specific versions exist.

      There is no reason for GPLv2 should or would lose its popularity due to the mere existence of GPLv3. If you meant GPLv3 is not popular, you could have said it. But in that sense, "lose its popularity" does not make any sense because it would never had popularity to lose.

      Or you are saying GPLv3 was first popular, and then became unpopular. That cannot be caused by the release of GPLv3 - because it could not have been popular before its own release.

      The concept of GPL in itself, is abstract, and makes sense only when you are talking about things common to all, or the guiding principle behind all versions. It cannot gain or lose popularity independent of its specific versions.

      Of course, most old projects which were initially GPL will continue to be GPL

      There is no "of course" about it if you know what GPL means. Many projects became (or were always) GPLv2 or later releases of
      GPL. Which means they were automatically dual licensed with GPLv2 and GPLv3 upon release of GPLv3. Some moved to GPLv3.

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    9. Re:It's a hardware problem by SurenEnfiajyan · · Score: 1

      There is no reason for GPLv2 should or would lose its popularity due to the mere existence of GPLv3. If you meant GPLv3 is not popular, you could have said it. But in that sense, "lose its popularity" does not make any sense because it would never had popularity to lose.

      Wrong, GPL percentage is declining overall.

      Or you are saying GPLv3 was first popular, and then became unpopular. That cannot be caused by the release of GPLv3 - because it could not have been popular before its own release.

      GPLv3 is almost dead since its birth.

    10. Re: It's a hardware problem by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      You truly have no clue about this subject. This article that you refer to says GPLv3 usage has increased, and GPLv2 has declined.

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    11. Re: It's a hardware problem by SurenEnfiajyan · · Score: 1

      GPLv3 usage increased only marginally, it's still a minority among other non copyleft licenses (and even not mainstream among GPL licenses) and didn't help to prevent the decline of the all GPL versions combined. Compared to it, GPLv2 decline was dramatic and even then it still has the lion's share among GPL licenses.

    12. Re: It's a hardware problem by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      So you are saying GPLv3 is bad, so its usage increased? GPLv2 is less bad, and so its usage decreased? And you are also saying that you have a clue about this subject , or about anything at all ?

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  29. Re: He's an ANTIVAXXER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    His "freedom" only exists in his mind.

  30. Is he that stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I needed to call someone right now, I would ask one of you, "Could you please make a call for me?" If I am on a bus and it is late and I need to tell somebody that I am going to arrive late, there is always some other passenger in the bus who will make a call for me or send a text for me.

    Wow, he must be a bit of a fairly clueless idiot if he believes this shit.

    If some random stranger walks up to me and asks me to place a call for them (and end up handing them my phone), or text on their behalf (to god knows whom) ... I'm afraid the answer is "no, sorry".

    If I get random texts claiming to be from someone I know but from a number I don't know, I'm not going to trust or believe that ... I'm going to block that caller immediately.

    I understand what he's saying, and as a person who refuses to be tethered to a mobile device and all of the bullshit apps ... I get it, I feel the same way. I have no interest in your portable ad tracking device or your useless app.

    But having random strangers place calls for you or text people (assuming you know the number off the top of your head)? Yeah, no ... you can't have my phone, I'm not placing calls or texts for you, and I'm not interested.

    First and foremost, I don't hand expensive electronics to random strangers. Second of all, I do not trust any form of communications from people I don't already know, and that includes new random numbers claiming to be from people who I do know.

    Sorry, but if he believes any of these scenarios are plausible, he really is stupid or delusional.

  31. Re:Stallman is a Stalinist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why didn't you sign your post? What's the point with a post which only serves the purpose of telling everyone how ignorant and retarded you are, and then then not signing it?

    Not realizing you had to sign for it to serve it's purpose - to warn people to stay away from you since you're clearly retarded - seems to be the only consistent and logical about your little mental fart, so clearly it's unintentional.

  32. Hypocrite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So he's taking a stand to preserve his freedom, by relying on the fact that others are not preserving their own? If he believes cell phones are truly evil, then he should boycott all use - not foist the inconvenience of his choices on others.

    tl;dr - a few wingnuts refusing to use cell phones helps Stalin just as much. Now he knows who is a threat.

  33. Come on, Stalin!? by 0dugo0 · · Score: 1

    I'm not getting what's Stalin specific here. s/Stalin/Truman/ and what's the difference? Imagine McCarthy's with current technology.

  34. Socialism != communism by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Informative

    Socialism is an evil and immoral philosophy that advocates treating human beings as chattel

    No, it is not. Look up the definition: "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.". Just like any political ideology it only becomes immoral if it is taken to extremes but that is just as true of capitalism as well.

    Like most things in life generally what works best is a balance. The community needs to provide some regulation on production, distribution and exchange to provide protection for its weakest members but, at the same time, not too much regulation otherwise it stifles and prevents the innovation and entrepreneurship that we all rely on to make our lives better. I'm not a fan of socialism because its proponents tend to take it, in my opinion, far too far towards the regulation/control side of things. However, it is by no means an "evil and immoral philosophy" nor does it advocate "treating human beings as chattel". You are thinking about communism which is not at all the same thing.

    1. Re:Socialism != communism by blackomegax · · Score: 0

      The scotsman in this case is "basic political awareness", bub.

    2. Re:Socialism != communism by gDLL · · Score: 0

      "The community needs to provide some regulation on production, distribution and exchange"

      And of course you know this because you are the one true community-whisperer/high-priest ? And by some you mean complete, don't you ? And by community you mean you, don't you now ? I'm probably not in the "community" because i don't need more regulation on "everything". OMG i must be an evil exploiter or some such imaginary creature.

    3. Re:Socialism != communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Socialism creates a system in which everyone cares about the decisions that other people make. It does this to the point that people start mandating behaviors in other people.

      Socialized medicine, for example, takes everyone's money and spends it on the group's health costs. I, as a dedicated taxpayer, now care when idiots start smoking - I have to pay for their cancer care, and I feel cheated by the poor decisions of others. It is only natural, in this scenario, that I should feel that people should be prevented from smoking in order to eliminate this unfair burden upon me - the system has set me up to make decisions for what others do to their own bodies. This is de facto slavery, and it is morally bankrupt and reprehensible.

      If the system causes this, then the system is morally bankrupt and reprehensible.

    4. Re:Socialism != communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Socialism is a sham. People, by and large, do the least work possible for a given outcome.

      If we spread the peanut butter equally by redistribution, then the average output will reflect the least capable member of society, because, "Why should I work so hard when he/she doesn't, and we get paid the same."

    5. Re:Socialism != communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OP wrote "that [socialism] advocates treating human beings as chattel." This is not about implementations, but the "philosophy" itself.

      Socialism doesn't advocate treating human beings as chattel. Marxist/Lenninist (ML) socialism, the most extreme form, advocates setting up a transitional state where the working classes control the state ("dictatorship of the proletariat") [for this advocacy one may rightly criticise them] where profits are distributed according to the labour contributed ("To each according to his contribution") which is meant to pave the way for the promised land of communism where the state ceases to exist and goods are distributed on need alone ("from each according to his abilities, to each according to his need"). That ML socialism has never been implemented in a capitalist economy possessing a large industrial proletariat (as was the theoretical requirement), that where it has been implemented it has turned to shit, does not equate with the idea that it advocates treating humans as chattel (it advocates the opposite). This is to be contrasted with Nazism which actually advocated the extermination of Jews, and which sadly was much more successful accomplishing what it advocated than ML socialism ever has been. Add to this that ML Socialism is the most radical form, and the hysteria of OPs claim is magnified.

      As much as OP's claim is clearly untrue, your quip about real Scotsmen is simply impertinent.

    6. Re: Socialism != communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Under socialism there is no government telling you to do anything, Dingus. Its a radically democratic working class making decisions

    7. Re: Socialism != communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you feel annoyed about providing medical care to smokers that's your moral failing. Where do you draw the line? AIDS? Pregnancy? Sports injuries?

    8. Re:Socialism != communism by Capsaicin · · Score: 2

      Socialism creates a system in which everyone cares about the decisions that other people make.

      It may indeed, but care cannot automatically be converted into mandating behaviours.

      Socialized medicine, for example, takes everyone's money and spends it on the group's health costs. I, as a dedicated taxpayer, now care when idiots start smoking - I have to pay for their cancer care, and I feel cheated by the poor decisions of others. It is only natural, in this scenario, that I should feel that people should be prevented from smoking in order to eliminate this unfair burden upon me

      Really good example. So what might happen is that pressure builds for anti-smoking policy, which causes a rapid decline in the rate of smoking and your concern that the health dollar is being misspent results in not only your own health, but the health of the public in general improving. This has been the experience in Australia, where we do have a first rate public health care system, which incidentally no politician, left or right, who hopes for election would dare threaten to remove.

      the system has set me up to make decisions for what others do to their own bodies

      Well democratic socialism (and I'm hoping the majority of socialists by now accept the need for democratic socialism) wouldn't allow you to make any actual decision by yourself. It might indeed set you up to have an interest in what other people do with their bodies, and if you were joined by enough non-smokers who share your concern, your combined democratic power could affect the law, which may in turn constrain what other people do with their bodies, sure.

      This is de facto slavery

      And you were doing so well up to then ... sad. No, de facto slavery is when you get others to work for your profit without reasonable recompense above their basic keep. This is much more like having laws against abortion when enough of the population decide women should be compelled by law to carry a pregnancy to term and force their view through the legislature.

      As with all democratic systems what is perhaps required is some legal constraint on how far the law can impinge upon the autonomy of the individual (eg a Bill of Rights). Your interests in what others do may be increased in a socialised, but your ability to realise those interests to the detriment of others, as with any other exercise of power public or private under any other system, can be controlled by the application of law. That's what the Law is.

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    9. Re:Socialism != communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your definition straight out says that government should have authority to control everything you do.

      No it doesn't. It says the community should have authority to control everything the government does.

    10. Re: Socialism != communism by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      government /vr(n)mnt/Submit
      noun
      1.
      the governing body of a nation, state, or community.

      So yeah, the "radically democratic working class making decisions" becomes the government

    11. Re:Socialism != communism by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      And of course you know this because you are the one true community-whisperer/high-priest ?

      No, I know this because historically if we don't have strong regulation people will act highly dishonestly and scam others out of their money. This is why we have e.g. rules against insider trading; laws against pump and dump schemes; employment laws etc. Too little regulation leads to scams and exploitation, too much and you prevent and stifle innovation and entrepreneurship both extremes are bad but finding the right balance is hard.

  35. Richard! Say hi to all the phone spammers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Richard Stallman recently visited Mandya, a small town about 60 miles from Bengaluru, India,

    Hey Richard: Since you're in India, give my regards to all swine who robocall me up to 5 times a day. Let them know that the gods will destroy them and their families for what they do.

  36. Re:Stallman is a Stalinist by Immerman · · Score: 2

    Absolutely - just like forcing people to give up their money for free in exchange for food is totally Stalinist.

    If you don't like the price I charge for my code (GPL compliance) then don't use it, or try to convince me to sell it to you under other terms. It's as simple as that. Or do you think you are entitled to steal my code and give me nothing in return?

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  37. Re:Stallman does more harm than good for open sour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd say you do more harm than good for humanity especially since there is no shortage whatsoever of mindless drones who can't do a lick of thinking on their own without orders and permission from those they perceive as their "betters". Humanity does not need more servile, soulless torturers and executioners eagerly "obeying orders", eroding our freedoms one bit at a time.

    Please off yourself at the earliest convenience. Thank you.

  38. Re:Stallman is a Stalinist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree with all of that except the forcing. His being a prick doesn't force you to do anything.

  39. Hardcore libertarians? GTFO by MikeRT · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    There are no leftists in America that want Stalin's Dream. The people running tech companies are hard core Libertarians who would run over their own dogs if that dog was getting in between them and their stock options.

    There is not a single hardcore Libertarian running any SV company that matters. None. For all of their problems, I have never met or heard of a libertarian whose reaction to the PC orthodoxy of SV is less than extreme disgust. If the head of Google were a hardcore libertarian, he'd have made the rubble bounce on the people who went after James Damore and those that followed up with demands for a witch hunt because that mentality is anathema to everything they value.

  40. Not a fair comparison by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    He's fighting the war harder than just about anyone, just on a different front.

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  41. Reject government, not technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not the fault of technology that oppression happens.

    I don't care if Google spies on me, Google can't lock me in a cage. Google can't drop a bomb on my family or random people I know nothing about 12,000 miles away. I'm not concerned with what Google does with my information.

    1. Re:Reject government, not technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wait when that data is used down the road when you need a credit, job house or whatever it's when someone & something wants to know who and what are you, badmouthing gov on Slashdot? i'm sorry Dave you can't buy that house next to a government property, just wait this is already happening, just give them little more time.. basically he is right and I would do the same if not for the unwritten job policy.. writing is on the wall bitchez.. it's up to us what comes next

      there is no spoon

  42. Like aniti-vaxxers by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

    Sure is easy to do without cellphones/vaccines/etc. when everyone else around me is paying the cost in privacy and cash/very small chance of reaction/etc. I'm a genius and not a freeloader/freeloader/freeloader on society.

    Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go help an old person on Medicare and SS write a post on their subsidized phone about how they are tired of all the welfare queens.

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    1. Re:Like aniti-vaxxers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "cellphones/vaccines"

      That's quite a jump there Senator Douglas. Yessir, quite a jump.

  43. Even that can track you by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    and Stallman's pretty obsessed with not being tracked. I don't think he likes others being tracked either, but given that cell phones have killed payphones (I even stopped seeing them in the really poor neighborhoods where I work) there are just times when you can't get away from it.

    Me? I don't care so much for tracking. I'm more worried about economic attacks on me and mine, e.g. things like cutting my access to medical care, education, my wages, etc. Take care of those things and the tracking problems solve themselves.

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    1. Re:Even that can track you by virtualXTC · · Score: 2

      .... I'm more worried about economic attacks on me and mine, e.g. things like cutting my access to medical care, education, my wages, etc. Take care of those things and the tracking problems solve themselves.

      I was about to say "THIS! (How is it that this only at a +2?)", but I started to ask my self "How does the tracking actually get solved?" And while I agree, while one might be able to create a local culture such that only the 'tallest blades of grass are mowed' by the blades of tracking locally, on a global scale it seems there will always be power struggles that any of us one day need to speak out against. Moreover, giving China's newly rolled out social tracker, it seems likely that tracking will soon be the tool used to justify attacks on your economics. Just went to the hospital for heat surgery? good luck getting that new loan....

    2. Re:Even that can track you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can never get rid of tracking for cell phones. The device MUST be tracked to at least the cell transponder level just to handle call routing. Just wait until 5G is forced down your throats. With the shit penetration of the 5G bands there will be transponders everywhere getting your location down to a dozen meters or so. Just think of all the sales opportunities they'll have then with such accurate data!

    3. Re:Even that can track you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and Stallman's pretty obsessed with not being tracked. I don't think he likes others being tracked either,

      He is being pragmatic. "Apparently, this person don't mind being tracked - since he keeps a smartphone". So borrowing his phone won't be immoral, phone guy made his choice albeit not the choice I made."

  44. We've all Walked into this Situation Gleefully by Slicker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Our loss of privacy was handed away gleefully, as if we were kids given candy.

    Since early on, I advocated that whatever the level of transparency, it should be mutual. If government can read my conversations then I should be able to read theirs, as it pertains to mine. The same for commercial organizations. Of course, some level should be set. I mean regardless, I don't want them watching me poop. But then again, if it's my doctor and I can see that my doctor is doing this to monitor my health then I could be leanient even on that. So it's not a trade between privacy and security -- it's a balance of mutual privacy that we need.

    On the other hand, I think the issues of fake information, information overload, and relationship destroying social media comments are all bigger issues.

    1. Re:We've all Walked into this Situation Gleefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our loss of privacy was handed away gleefully, as if we were kids given candy.

      You were handed candy.
      Smartphones and the companies writing their software are inextricably linked to the US Government since their inception. It's a broad relationships, forever to be denied, but companies must work with the government to develop and deploy these devices. The likes of Huawei are out of the question.

    2. Re:We've all Walked into this Situation Gleefully by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      Our loss of privacy was handed away gleefully, as if we were kids given candy.

      Literally.

    3. Re:We've all Walked into this Situation Gleefully by strikethree · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, I think the issues of fake information, information overload, and relationship destroying social media comments are all bigger issues.

      I think it was around 2010, but before that year, the CIA and other "fuck with people" orgs within the US Government were explicitly prohibited from performing propaganda and other shit on US soil.

      Have you noticed the level of fucked up news being reported on since then? I believe I have said something similar in a similar situation: If you create a rabid dog that attacks anything, don't be surprised when it attacks you too. The CIA is a rabid dog and it has been explicitly set loose within the USA. This has only just begun. The amount of misery and suffering we are going to experience is going to make our current times seem idyllic and desirable.

      Can you imagine people looking longingly back at the Trump Administration and complaining that they don't have it that good anymore?

      Yeah, shit is going to get REALLY bad. The CIA has the technology and wherewithal to actually control the entire country regardless of Presidents and Laws and Courts... and since 2010, they have been grabbing for that control with great enthusiasm.

      Have a nice day. :)

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      "Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
  45. Stalin's Dream. by hey! · · Score: 1

    Sounds like the worst carnival ride *ever*.

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    Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
  46. Re:Stallman is a Stalinist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Absolutely - just like forcing people to give up their money for free in exchange for food is totally Stalinist.

    If you don't like the price I charge for my code (GPL compliance) then don't use it, or try to convince me to sell it to you under other terms. It's as simple as that. Or do you think you are entitled to steal my code and give me nothing in return?

    Sure. You can put up your software on whatever licence you wish. Just don't go around claiming it's free software when the licence terms are more restrictive than BSD's "here it is, do what you like with it, I accept no responsibility if it blows up in your face".

  47. Slight flaw in the PLAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    JustAnotherOldGuy here posting as AC from work....

    "This is why I do not have a portable phone. I refuse to carry a portable phone. I never have one and unless things change, I never will. I do use portable phones, lots of different ones. If I needed to call someone right now, I would ask one of you, "Could you please make a call for me?" If I am on a bus and it is late and I need to tell somebody that I am going to arrive late, there is always some other passenger in the bus who will make a call for me or send a text for me."

    Yes, but if everyone did as Richard Stallman did, there would be no one to make a phone call for you.

    It's like herd immunity in reverse.

  48. Delaware based LLC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a man who hasn't learned the benefits of owning Delaware based LLCs and holding companies.

  49. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  50. Nothing wrong with buming a phonecall by bussdriver · · Score: 2

    It's not a problem to NOT borrow use of somebody's phone. Some of us are old enough to have lived during a time when everybody didn't have a phone or internet.

    The world functioned so well it was able to invent all the stuff you use today so you can "innovate" your silly stuff on top of that along with the help from us old timers.

    He loses none of his rights if he uses your cell because you already gave up your rights. There is no hypocrisy here. He can do just fine without it and he can deal unlike everybody else.

    This guy is more consistent than MOST people which is what gets him labeled as extreme all the time. We get people attacking him for being extremely consistent and idealistic beyond what they consider reasonable-- labeling him unreasonable-- and also attacking him for not being so extreme he can't even borrow use of a phone on rare occasion.... keep in mind that a PUBLIC SHARED PHONE is dead because of everybody else... the more you share your phone the less revealing it is about you, like a public phone was.

  51. Re:Stallman is a Stalinist by Immerman · · Score: 1

    Nobody's claiming it's free - rather they're claiming it's Free, as in "you can't lock up this software"

    If you want free code that you *can* lock up inside your own proprietary product, then by all means restrict yourself to using BSD or any other "glorified public domain" license. It's a really simple distinction, and only an idiot would claim confusion.

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    --- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
  52. I wouldn't let him use my phone. by NerdENerd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't want some fat weirdo using my phone, I would tell him to get his own phone.

  53. They self-identified as such by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Not to ignore all the things they did which made them such, they also identified as such. So who are you to tell them they're not?

    Please be sure to elaborate on the standards used to reject this self-identification, because those standards will be checked for consistency with other choices of self-identification and when that can be rejected or not.

  54. Re:Amazing you don't by dryeo · · Score: 5, Informative

    They both pushed right wing societal values such as attacking and even killing homosexuals, certain races and such, as well as governance by those with merit . At that when Stalin took charge, a lot of what is usually considered leftist in America was prosecuted. He even believed in capitalism, as long as the government was the capitalist running industry. Like most successful capitalists, he did hate the free market, as that means competition.
    Neither one believed in the people and especially having the regular people involved in governance through democracy and neither made any moves in the direction of communism, which has as one of its basic tenants to not have government.
    People are complex and can not be simply divided up into the right wing and left wing.

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  55. No phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Richard, I think "they" are probably more interested in people without phones than people with phones.

  56. noise shrouding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps more practically, how hard would it be to add a noise-generator to a reasonable case that would prevent sound capture from the phone's microphones, except when disabled by the user?

  57. T3H M4+R1X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agent Smith did nothing wrong!

    Also, Illuminate confirmed!

  58. Take the battery out, moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously? This guy's a thought leader?

    Take the damn battery out of your phone and then put the phone in a foil bag. Jesus.

    1. Re:Take the battery out, moron by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC the battery is sealed in many brands of smartphone with a soft power off reported to the user.
      The tracking will not stop when the smartphone GUI says its "off"

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    2. Re:Take the battery out, moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many... not all.
      He could just use the ones that he's able to remove the battery - duh.

  59. Already full 1984 by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    With an OS level GUI dropping down over any attempts to read the news on a website.
    Soft power off on a cell phone that keeps tracking the user.
    Battery power that stays on to keep tracking the users even when they think the smartphone is not powered.
    Political ads, search services, social media and browsers that track the users.
    PRISM thats ready to help any gov collect it all.
    Junk crypto standards in an OS sold as full tested and trusted.

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    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  60. Works for everyone by farble1670 · · Score: 1

    I do use portable phones, lots of different ones. If I needed to call someone right now, I would ask one of you, "Could you please make a call for me?" If I am on a bus and it is late and I need to tell somebody that I am going to arrive late, there is always some other passenger in the bus who will make a call for me or send a text for me. Practically speaking, it is not that hard.

    So he depend on other people forfeiting their privacy so he doesn't have to forfeit his. Seems like a philosophy that can work for everyone. Oh wait...

  61. Lost in the DPRK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry bro, I can't. I'm busy looking for the Democratic Republicans in North Korea and the Congo.

    1. Re:Lost in the DPRK by gDLL · · Score: 1

      Let me get this straight, you are comparing 1930s german honesty levels with N.K and Congo ?? Hell the nazis even wrote a book about their intentions, it's super obscure nobody read it....

  62. Stop running over dogs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No he wouldn't have. You even quoted the relevant part: Damore was the dog that got in the way of the stock options. Google cannot have smaller numbers so he had to go.

    You also fail to recognize a very common libertarian trait (which the dog analogy is related to), probably because you think of yourself as one, but those reactions of disgust only apply when that individual didn't come up with the idea. "It's just disgusting that dude is dumping his mining waste in my beautiful field. Oh the waste I'm dumping in the river? Oh it's harmless- it even HELPS and makes everything better (tm)!!! My shit smells awesome, but everyone elses is putrid."

  63. Selfish by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    He refuses to carry a phone to protect his privacy, but the relies on others to compromise their own privacy for him to make a call on their devices...

  64. China's 'social credit' coming to America too.. by takochan · · Score: 1

    Why stop at China's borders with 'Social Credit'.. they can take it global.. we're not thinking big enough..

    To buy from Aliexpress, your account will come with 'social credit'. Say something bad about China, your prices will go up.

    Your company wants to buy (or sell) something with China as the counterparty.. how is the social credit of your staff rate? (they will slurp your staff list from linked in, facebook, or your company's poorly secured India outsourced mail server).

    Then your HR will instruct you to never say anything bad about China on the web as it is 'bad for business'.

    Oh, your Xiaomi or Huewai phone tells the Chinese govt that you went to China, or were at a democracy rally in your country... minus social credit for you..

    The more powerful China's economy becomes in the world, the more this will impact you, even if you don't live in China or never intend to go there..

  65. Stallman haunted? NO... IMPOSSIBLE. by laxr5rs · · Score: 1

    I've been watching that guy off an on for years and years. Everything is a problem, everything, except what the thinks, is a huge terrible problem. No, he just is built that way. He'd do better if he didn't talk so much.

  66. Conservations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not an English speaker, could you explain to me that word?

    What are are a person's conservations? something like their racism and bigotry draped in "conservative" small-government philosophical mumble-jumble?

  67. Re:Amazing you don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People are complex and can not be simply divided up into the right wing and left wing.

    Really? How's that Red/Blue Thing going for ya? Seems to work on the masses I see in the street, even better than that Hope Thing worked. You really need to get some better lab rats, some that eat that Red/Blue s**t up, like people do.

  68. Re:Faraday cage works both ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the Faraday cage is working, then the phone can't know where it is. If it isn't communicating with any cell towers or receiving GPS signals, the only way it could possibly divine location information would be to use dead reckoning -- guessing that it knew where it was and how fast it was going in a known direction at time T1 when it went into the cage, and it knows where it is at time T2 when it comes out of the cage, so it must have travelled between those two points. If you take it out several times a day, that'll work pretty well. But if you take it out a couple of times a week, the data is a lot less valuable.

  69. Stallman can have my phone, when he pries it out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. of my cold dead hands. Damn commies.

  70. Losing Battle by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

    This is folly. Big Brother is watching, there's little you can do about it. Between the vast number of surveillance cameras deployed in the entire world, license plate recognition, facial recognition, voice recognition... it really doesn't matter if you're carrying your digital leash or not, someone still knows exactly where you are and mostly likely what you're doing.

    Fortunately, this isn't Stalin's world anymore, it's something different. Better, worse or no difference really remains to be seen.

    I take comfort in the fact, there's got to be at least 5 billion cell phones in the field.. and Big Brother is just some data center doing Bayesian inference calculations on everything it 'observes.'

  71. freedomw were traded long ago by bingoUV · · Score: 1

    You are wrong.

    He's fine with someone else trading their freedoms when it's convenient for HIM

    They traded their freedoms at the time of buying the phone, activating mobile service on it, or putting it in their pockets while switched on while they were leaving their homes. They also kept trading it every moment they did not destroy / switch off / enclose in Faraday cage their phone. But they absolutely never traded any of their freedoms when it was convenient for RMS. Including the freedom to refuse to acquiesce to his request.

    Actually, letting RMS make his call increases the anonymity and hence freedom a tiny bit. If you call the acquaintances of RMS instead of your own, the algorithms to figure out your social circle is a tiny bit more confused than if you were exclusively calling your own acquaintances.

    I don't murder people so I'll hire this hit man to do it for me.

    No, it is like I don't murder people but other people hire hit men anyway to murder yet other people. I can request the hit man to deliver a courier to the person being killed, or someone close to him. If the consignee is the one being murdered, I can further request the hit man to deliver it before the murder - but of course he may still choose to deliver after the murder or not deliver at all.

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    Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
  72. Re:Stallman does more harm than good for open sour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go fuck yourself.

  73. Re:Stallman does more harm than good for open sour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tivoization is incompatible with your tiny bubble world.

  74. Re:Amazing you don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While there can be no question that Hitler was the very opposite of a socialist (despite the 'S' in NSDAP), it's just too convenient to argue away Stalin socialism, notwithstanding what may from time to time be "considered leftist in America." Please!

    We need look no further than this liberal-bourgeois Identity Theory muck which passes for "leftist" in the US ...

  75. Not having a phone is far too paranoid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He could use VPN and VoIP calls to stay anonymous, this wsy the telecom would not know that it's him, and he could use pay as you go registered to someone else and pay for it with cash.

  76. Stallman is an old fart by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    Privacy is gone. Stop beating the dead horse. Stop all the anti-government cowboy bullshit. You look like dumbass backwater hicks.

    The whole vector of progress is government getting more and more power. Orwellian and Kafkaesque worlds are as inevitable as climate change. The only way you got government less powerful is to throw away your phone (like this old dumbass idol of other old farts did), then all the tanks and go back to spear hunting into the jungle.

    Otherwise, eat it. Learn to live with it. Learn to live with all your data being used to personalize advertisement to you.

    The only war path is ad-blocking. Put all of your effort into this war: block ads, block ads, block ads. Fight for your sanity. Fight against people who keep saying that black is white.

    Privacy is gone and people who are holding on to cowboy pseudo-ideology of XIX century look like imbeciles.

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  77. Stallman is really losing his edge/marbles by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    The fact that Stallman seems to have no sweet clue how the software on smartphones work, or that it is trivially possible to be 100% under your own control - including nowadays all the way to the modem firmware if you really want - makes me seriously wonder about him. Criminals have figured this out as a matter of course, you would think that for someone as supposedly smart as Stallman it would be simple.

    He is SUPPOSED to be someone who is keeping pace with the industry and technology, but he has to ask people how cell phones work - and seemlingly gets the wrong answers?

    This summary is mind boggling and makes me think he has really fallen off the deep end.

  78. You explain it to me then by gDLL · · Score: 1

    You explain it to me then why instead of the S there isn't a L (for liberal, the real kind) or some other individual liberties minded doctrine ? Why did they chose socialism+*arbeiters* partei ? Let me guess they just had to pick a name and rolled a dice or something, since the nazis were known to not plan propaganda or anything.

    1. Re:You explain it to me then by aybiss · · Score: 1

      Are you really that stupid? Why is there a "D", a "P" and and "R" in DPRK?

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      It's OK Bender, there's no such thing as 2.
  79. Re:Amazing you don't by gDLL · · Score: 1

    They both pushed right wing societal values such as attacking and even killing homosexuals...

    Wtf are you making stuff up? Attacking homosexuals is right there in Stuart Mill or Friedrich Hayek, I must have missed it. It's like saying leftist values are killing jews because the nazis were left wing.

    He even believed in capitalism

    Just like the KKK believes in freedom for all. What glue are you sniffing?

  80. Re:Amazing you don't by dryeo · · Score: 1

    Not the American glue obviously.

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  81. Are you stupid ? by gDLL · · Score: 1

    If it says apply liberally it can mean apply as much OR AS LITTLE as *YOU* WANT. Emphasys on YOUr dominion over the qty required. Also, i speak a neolatin language where to liberate means to free someone/something. (not to widen them).

    1. Re:Are you stupid ? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      If it says apply liberally it can mean apply as much OR AS LITTLE as *YOU* WANT.

      That's factually wrong.

      i speak a neolatin language where to liberate means to free someone/something

      You're right, that's what liberate means. It's not what liberal means. At all. Nor does liberal mean to widen something (except your perspective). It's near the exact opposite of conservative (not insular, not fear-driven).

  82. Won't carry but will use a cell phone by strikethree · · Score: 1

    Um... why not just get a phone that you can remove all sources of power from? Then, you could still use a cell phone when you are willing to, but not have it communicate in any way when you don't want it to.

    This is why Google, Apple, and Samsung all make phones without removable batteries. So you can't actually turn the damned thing off. Ever.

    I am still not entirely certain why removing the analog audio port is so important. I am guessing it has something to do with DRM and copying... but that really doesn't make any sense to me since I had to copy the music to the phone to begin with. I guess they assume everyone streams their music from a commercial service?

    TL;DR, RMS is an absolutely fucking crazy nutjob. He happens to be right more than he is wrong, so people should pay attention to him... but do NOT treat him like a fucking God or something. Remember, he is an absolutely fucking crazy nutjob.

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    "Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
  83. Re:Faraday cage works both ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hypothetically, if a phone were to do this, how much power would it consume? Surely it would be a noticable amount, I mean if you had your phone off all day and it still lost 5% charge, wouldn't that be suspicious?

    Perhaps it is a hidden feature that can be turned on for people of interest, but if there is no power loss when the phone is off, then we can be fairly sure it is not tracking us while it is off.

  84. BECAUSE by gDLL · · Score: 1

    Because communists claim to govern in the name of the people, that's why. Just like Hilter. Also like him they love them an all powerful state. Funny how you don't see any individual rights touted in either N.K. nor nazi Germany. Just a coincidence i guess that they all just love them this socialism stuff. You know, think of the people !!!!!!!!