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Microsoft Fights Fake News With NewsGuard Integration in Its Mobile Edge Browser (pcworld.com)

In a bid to fight fake news read while on your phone, Microsoft's mobile Edge browser on Android and iOS now includes the NewsGuard extension. From a report: The addition needs to be toggled on within the Edge settings menu to be enabled. Once it is, Edge will display a small shield icon next to the site's URL in the search bar: a green shield with a checkmark for a trusted news site, and a red shield with an exclamation point inside of it for a site that NewsGuard believes isn't always accurate. (Some sites haven't been evaluated, and these will simply show a gray shield.)

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  1. First hilarious casualty by cyber-vandal · · Score: 3, Informative

    The UK Daily Mail, a well-known source of ill-informed and reactionary garbage.

    1. Re:First hilarious casualty by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      The UK Daily Mail, a well-known source of ill-informed and reactionary garbage.

      And it's still one of the only sources in both the US and Canada that will cover topics in our own countries that the media(NBC/CBS/ABC/USA Today/Wapo in the US, and CBC, CTV, Global, Globe and Mail, Toronto Star in Canada), refuse to cover for various reasons. Mostly because "it makes illegals look bad" or "somethingsomething dats racist" crap.

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    2. Re: First hilarious casualty by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      That doesn't make it a good source. Their hysterical bullshit about vaccines causing autism is a case in point but there are many others.

    3. Re:First hilarious casualty by mjwx · · Score: 2

      The UK Daily Mail, a well-known source of ill-informed and reactionary garbage.

      So for once, MS has made something that works. Jokes aside, NewsGuard isn't from MicroSoft, they've just included it by default in Edge. NewsGuard is an independent organisation founded by a pair of American lawyers and media entrepreneurs in 2018 that has criteria for judging the trustworthiness of news sites. The 1 star reviews for Chrome involve the words "Leftists" and "Neo Liberal" so that's a good sign the extension is pretty accurate.

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    4. Re:First hilarious casualty by torkus · · Score: 1

      So we're supposed to trust a bunch of LAWYERS to decide what news is real vs fake? ... and you blame the 1-star reviews on, well it doesn't matter, does it?

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  2. Re: So how much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Slashdot: prepare to be BANNED.

  3. Better yet, a small tweak by onyxruby · · Score: 1

    We should simplify this and instead provide a liberal or conservative flag. Unfortunately many people value political implications over the truth. It's the sad reality of living in a post-fact world.

    1. Re:Better yet, a small tweak by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      It's not liberals or conservatives you have to worry about. It's the progressives, who just like the communists of yesteryear are lining up to redefine words and make sure you're guilty of a hate crime.

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    2. Re:Better yet, a small tweak by onyxruby · · Score: 1

      You make a good point.

    3. Re:Better yet, a small tweak by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      No, it's people who make generalized comments about a group they don't like that you have to worry about, lumping them together under one label.

      Really? So who was leading the charge labeling people nazi's? It wasn't liberals, it wasn't conservatives either, or libertarians. But the plethora if idiots that call themselves progressives. How about the mantra that disagreement is violence/hate speech/etc? Same deal. How about claiming that free speech is violence? Noticing a trend here yet? Like how actual words that "mean bad stuff" are watered down the point that they become useless.

      Remember when you could simply use godwins law, when someone idiot started spewing that everyone who disagreed with them was a nazi and worse then hitler? And now those same people use it against anyone that they don't like. Did you miss the progressive feeding frenzy with the kids at the mall, and the idiots using "smiling" and "smirking" as a claim of white supremacy.

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  4. From NewsGuard's site: Why Should You Trust Us? by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Why Should You Trust Us?

    Because we are trained journalists who have spent our careers dedicated to the profession. We care deeply about reliable journalismâ(TM)s pivotal role in democracy. (In case youâ(TM)re wondering, our experienced journalists come from diverse backgrounds and have no political axes to grind.)

    Because you can see the credentials and backgrounds of everyone responsible for every NewsGuard reliability rating and Nutrition Label that you read. For the names and biographies of our staff and contributors, click here.

    Because we have an ethics and conflicts of interest policy to which all of our analysts and editors have to agree. You can read that policy here.

    Because we are totally transparent about how we make all of our decisions. Our Nutrition Label write-ups explain what is behind our decisions. We disclose and explain in detail the nine criteria we use to rate each news site on its journalistic practices. Weâ(TM)re not a black box algorithm.

    Because we make concerted attempts to get comment from every websiteâ(TM)s editor or manager before we write anything negative about the site, and always include the comment in our Nutrition Labels (or make changes after weighing the comment and realizing our initial conclusion was wrong). Algorithms donâ(TM)t call for comment.

    Because we will post any complaints from website proprietors about anything we have written about them. And we will answer them publicly â" and when warranted will make corrections, publicly, after we consider the complaint. You can read our policy for correcting errors or mistakes here.

    Because we accept no fees from the news websites we rate. (Our revenue comes from the platforms and search engines for licensing our ratings in order to include them in their feeds and search results.) We rate all news and information sites among the approximately 4,500 sites responsible for 98% of the online engagement in English in the United States.

    Because we do not collect any personal information of any kind from those who download and use our browser plug-ins. None. You can read our privacy policy here.

    Because bringing more information to people about the news sources they encounter online is our only business. Our success depends entirely on being trustworthy and reliable.

    1. Re:From NewsGuard's site: Why Should You Trust Us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    2. Re:From NewsGuard's site: Why Should You Trust Us? by slinches · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My policy is to never trust someone who is making a point of trying to convince me they are trustworthy.

      Trustworthiness should be evident in your actions and no amount of assurances will be enough if that isn't true.

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    3. Re:From NewsGuard's site: Why Should You Trust Us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      That sounds convincing, but I don't trust you.

    4. Re:From NewsGuard's site: Why Should You Trust Us? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Okay, say I have a new P2P technology I want to deploy, or end-to-end encrypted chat app (that has some feature missing from the current offerings.) What can I do to make you trust me, vs. explaining who I am? Like, it's great in theory, but I'm not sure how it works in practice.

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    5. Re:From NewsGuard's site: Why Should You Trust Us? by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      My question is... will the site red-flag websites that are leaning in their political direction, but are making up white lies, or will they let someone who is trying to step over the line with vague stuff get their way.

      I hope that they are able to call out anyone, regardless of side, trying to actively lie, or passively misrepresent stuff. However, I have doubts... I have lost respect for journalism as a whole, as formerly top notch news agencies have devolved into propaganda presses... and this is both sides of the spectrum. I've wound up looking at other countries' news sites, hoping to find some that don't "have a dog in the hunt", so can actually state what is happening without impressing their political leanings.

    6. Re:From NewsGuard's site: Why Should You Trust Us? by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 1

      So I haven't installed the extension, but I'm considering it. There are a couple things that make me feel good about the concept.

      First, this "why should you trust us" is actually a pretty good list of rules. If they abide by them, it'll be pretty sweet. The moment they break them, or appear to be bending them for a bias, they'll have lost all trust.

      Second, based on their samples it looks like you get a lot more than a little red flag -- you get a bunch of data backing up their decision, and can make your own choices.

      The unfortunate reality is that most people -- even smart people -- have trouble seeing past their own biases and get fooled all the time by the spin cycle. People have been trained to have a visceral reaction of denial/deflection to any criticism aimed at their tribe. Having a group specializing in detecting bullshit seems like not just a good idea but a necessity. It also seems like one that can very easily go bad, so it needs constant oversight and it needs people to call them on any of their own bullshit. I'd like to see them maintain high levels of transparency.

    7. Re:From NewsGuard's site: Why Should You Trust Us? by slinches · · Score: 1

      In practice, not everyone is as paranoid as I am. If your product provides enough value, some others will be willing to take the risk that you and your technology are trustworthy. Your starting user pool will be a mix of people who already trust you and these naive fools ... err .... early adopters.

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    8. Re:From NewsGuard's site: Why Should You Trust Us? by Wizardess · · Score: 1

      "Because we are trained journalists who have spent our careers dedicated to the profession."

      That is as good a reason to dismiss "NewsGuard" as another horribly biased "journalistic" piece of nonsense. Look at how many "journalists" utterly and completely misfired on the Covington boys. CNN even mistranscribed Nathan Philips words in their own video to claim he was a Vietnam veteran when he never set foot out of the US according to the Marines authorities. Oh, wait, this is the CNN that has repeatedly been shown to parrot dictators party lines in return for the "privilege" of reporting news from the dictators' countries. e.g. Iraq under Saddam Hussein.

      Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? SPLC maybe, another paragon of unbiased leftist bigotry. I read this as yet another attempt to "manage news" on a Soviet Union Pravda level using technology old Joe could never even dream of.

      {^_^}

    9. Re:From NewsGuard's site: Why Should You Trust Us? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Why are there so many people here with reading comprehension problems?

      He didn't say "distrust everyone". He said "be wary of trusting someone who goes to suspicious length to try to convince you how trustworthy they are".

      Imagine someone being pulled over by a cop and immediately starts trying to convince that cop that there's not a dead body in their trunk. Guess who's trunk is immediately getting searched?

      And when they don't find a body they will believe you when you say the spare tire isn't filled with drugs.

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    10. Re:From NewsGuard's site: Why Should You Trust Us? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Trustworthiness should be evident in your actions

      Their actions are to tell you something. What basis do you then have for trustworthy? Remember that people's pre-concieved biases will then determine trustworthiness based on what ever you already believe to be true.

    11. Re:From NewsGuard's site: Why Should You Trust Us? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Wow! Thanks for that link.

      Mod parent +1 Informative

    12. Re:From NewsGuard's site: Why Should You Trust Us? by Woeful+Countenance · · Score: 1

      First, this "why should you trust us" is actually a pretty good list of rules. If they abide by them, it'll be pretty sweet. The moment they break them, or appear to be bending them for a bias, they'll have lost all trust.

      Their rules seem pretty vague to me. Here's all I need to know to distrust News Guard: apparently they rated a Web site called "The Palmer Report" (which I've never heard of before). The Palmer Report complained, and News Guard published the complaint. Good for them, acknowledging all two complaints they received, but the response from News Guard is really stunningly inadequate. The Palmer Report made 12 specific points. The response from News Guard was, "this letter does not point to any specific errors." Their credibility dropped from low to zero, as far as I'm concerned. Not to mention the credibility of anyone who trusts News Guard to be objective and unbiased.

  5. Self-defeating inverse relationship by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem with this NewsGuard extension is that the more likely someone is to need it, the less likely they are to want it (and the more likely they are to actively dislike the idea of it).

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    1. Re:Self-defeating inverse relationship by CaptainProton1974 · · Score: 1

      I use it just to laugh it their left progressive biased

  6. Don't get your hopes up, lefties by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Informative

    Because it's backed by the neocons. You remember them, right? The folks whose handling of intelligence over Iraq made Obama's handling of the DIA report on ISIS look like a highly cordial disagreement between respectful parties? If they say that Hitler is a bad guy, you better get independent sources.

    1. Re:Don't get your hopes up, lefties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... as opposed to the NeverTrumpers pushing Iranian propaganda from the NY Times? Or are you comparing them to the Chinese apologists at CNN?

  7. So what is Fake News? by GregMmm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who determines what is "fake news"?

    This should scare people. Don't they realize we are ASKING businesses/governments to make judgement calls of what is fake news? Translation: People are asking these entities to censor what they feel is fake news.

    This seems like a dangerous idea to me. Heavens know a business will not call something it doesn't like to be fake news. Nor would a government who doesn't agree with certain ideas would call something fake news.

    1. Re:So what is Fake News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Who determines what is "fake news"?

      NYT, WaPo, Guardian

      That's all you need to know.

    2. Re:So what is Fake News? by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 2

      Monoculture. Spend enough of the formative years of your life (ie most of your twenties) around loud people who think "there are two genders" is both fake news and a neo-Nazi dogwhistle and of course you'll start believing that 2+2=whatever the powers that be say it is. I'm not surprised. I'm saddened that the country I love has allowed itself to get so complacent that it has descended to this level of madness, but I'm not surprised. All this shoddy thinking is hardwired into the human mind. America just had the good luck to have not excited to that particular eigenstate for the first several hundred years of its history. One hopes we can damp it out before we turn into Venezuela.

    3. Re:So what is Fake News? by cdsparrow · · Score: 1

      Yeah, like we need yet another group to say what is real and what isn't. Maybe if critical thinking was taught in schools again then people could make their own decisions. I know it does suck having to read stuff from many different sites (from diverse viewpoints of course) and forming your own opinion from all the "facts", but better than relying on somebody else making that value call.

    4. Re:So what is Fake News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Buzzfeed story, they ran with it.
      I looked at it and assumed it was false, read it anyways. TWO unnamed sources, that's far more believable than one unnamed source.
      I assumed it was bullshit, I was right NYT, WaPo, Guardian all wrong.
      I have no sources to verify, I have no journalism degree, I have no credentials, yet I am better than your "best".

      Let me repeat my frequent statement. PopeRatzo is a moron. He knows the news sources are fake, knows they lie, and yet here he is posting that they are more trustworthy.

    5. Re:So what is Fake News? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      WaPo runs anti trump stories daily because during the election Trump threatened to revoke their press passes.

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    6. Re:So what is Fake News? by tomhath · · Score: 1

      B-b-b-but they all prefixed it with "if true...", so that makes it not fake news, right? It that's true, the NYT might need to change their motto to "All the news that might be true, we print"

  8. Not even close to the big fish. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    - The fact-checks behind 'The Daily Show's' 50 Fox news 'lies'
    By Lauren Carroll, Aaron Sharockman on Thursday, February 26th, 2015 at 3:00 p.m.
    The Daily Show posted a Vine Wednesday titled, "50 Fox News lies in 6 seconds."
    We’ve fact-checked almost all of the statements they cited. For the record, we originally counted 49 claims, not 50. The Daily Show said No. 50 was left off due to a technical error. They've updated their Vine, which we've included here.
    * * *
    1. "In July 2010 the government said small businesses -- 60 percent -- will lose their health care, 45 percent of big business and a large percentage of individual health." Sean Hannity, Nov. 11, 2013 False
    * * *
    2. "And President Obama has offered to pay out of his own pocket for the museum of Muslim culture out of his own pocket, yet it's the Republican National Committee who's paying for this." Anna Kooiman, Oct. 5, 2013 https://bit.ly/2W1wHzv
    * * *
    3. Labor union president Andy Stern is "the most frequent visitor" at the White House. Glenn Beck, Dec. 3, 2009 False
    * * *
    4. "Far more children died last year drowning in their bathtubs than were killed accidentally by guns." Tucker Carlson, Aug. 9, 2014 Pants on Fire
    * * *
    5. White House Political Director Patrick Gaspard once served as the "right-hand man" for Bertha Lewis, who heads up ACORN. Steve Doocy, Sept. 29, 2009 False
    * * *
    6. "Look at the debt that has been accumulated in the last two years. It's more debt under this president than all those other presidents combined."
    Sarah Palin, May 31, 2011 False
    * * *
    7. "There is no good data showing secondhand smoke kills people." John Stossel, Dec. 4, 2014 False
    * * *
    8. "Democrats are poised now to cause this largest tax increase in U.S. history." Sarah Palin, Aug. 1, 2010 Pants on Fire
    * * *
    9. "The insurance industry is actually run by mostly Democrats." Dana Perino, Oct. 31, 2013 False
    * * *
    10. The Obama administration "manipulated deportation data to make it appear that the Border Patrol was deporting more illegal immigrants than the Bush administration." Lou Dobbs, July 1, 2014 False
    * * *
    11. Some doctors say Ebola can be transmitted through the air by "a sneeze or some cough." George Will, Oct. 19, 2014 False
    * * *
    12. Says the Texas State Board of Education is considering eliminating references to Christmas and the Constitution in textbooks. Gretchen Carlson, March 10, 2010 Pants on Fire
    * * *
    13. Because of President Barack Obama’s failure to "push job creation," the black unemployment rate in Ferguson, Mo., is three times higher than the white unemployment rate. Lou Dobbs, Aug. 19, 2014 False
    * * *
    14. When White House communications director Anita Dunn said that Mao Tse-tung was "one of her favorite philosophers, only Fox News picked that up."
    Bill O’Reilly, Oct. 23, 2009 False
    * * *
    15. "The president of the United States will be taking a trip over to India that is expected to cost the taxpayers $200 million a day." Michele Bachmann, Nov. 3, 2010 False (Note: Bachmann’s claim was made on CNN, not Fox News but Glenn Beck made a similar claim on Fox)
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    16. "We researched to find out if anybody on Fox News had ever said you're going to jail if you don't buy health insurance. Nobody's ever said it." Bill O’Reilly, Oct. 27, 2010 Pants on Fire
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    17. "If you make more than $250,000 a year you only really take home about $125,000." Steve Doocy, July 11, 2012 False
    * * *
    18. A Census Bureau worker says he was told to skew information to bring the unemployment rate down "as we headed into an election season." Elisabeth Hasselbeck, Nov. 19, 2013 False
    * * *
    19. "Health care mandate will require imprisonment and fines for Americans who can’t afford to purchase insurance or pay hefty government penalties." Patients First, Sept. 21, 2009 Mostly False (Note: Fox hosts have said closely similar statements because of our research into Bill O’Reilly’s Pants on Fire claim -- No.

    1. Re:Not even close to the big fish. by torkus · · Score: 1

      NO no no no no no noonononono!!! My xyz news corp only tells the truth!

      Didn't you hear that lil timmy fell down the well? They have video implicating lassie. It's extremely obvious and anyone who doubts it is a nazi, will be immediately unfriended/blocked, and outed on social media (ya know, from an account they can't see bc of the block) about how much of a terrible person they are so their job, spouse, children, friends, and pets can abandon them forever. /s

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  9. Yeah, sure by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 5, Informative

    BuzzFeedNews rated as trustworthy. Nope.

    I guess Microsoft is competing with Google in the Wokelympics.

    1. Re:Yeah, sure by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

      Minus last week. Minus pee dossier. It's irrelevant pop clickbait. Time was, I used to think of that sort of thing as Not Serious Journalism written by Not Serious People.

  10. Thanks, but no thanks by reboot246 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm a grownup human being. I don't need a company (that has its own bias and agenda) telling me which news sources to trust and which to distrust.

    I knew right away Microsoft's opinion was worthless when I followed the link in the summary and saw Breitbart flagged. Yes, Breitbart has a right-leaning bias, but it's like an antidote to the main stream media's false and biased reporting.

    You all probably don't see it because of your hatred for everything Trump, but in my nearly 66 years I've never seen so much hatred for a president from the press, a press that's SUPPOSED to be unbiased.

    Just a few years ago Trump was getting awards from the NAACP, but now he's racist? Don't be so stupid to believe shit like that. Show some independence and intelligence, for Pete's sake. I see you and I see sheep.

    1. Re:Thanks, but no thanks by Bobrick · · Score: 2

      Breitbart an antidote to the mainstream... tell us more about being a "grown up human being", please.

    2. Re:Thanks, but no thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      And in your 66 years you've learned zero about how to validate sources. Did you even bother to go and see what sort of affiliations the people making that assessment have? I'll give you a hint - it's not all from the left. Now I know that's an impossibility for you but for the rest of us we can see that when a pool of people from a broad political spectrum all agree that a site is untrustworthy, we're pretty comfortable with it.

      You continue to wear your blinders. It makes your world that much more comfortable in your waning years, I'm sure.

    3. Re:Thanks, but no thanks by Pitawg · · Score: 1

      I am so happy to see you confirmed you see those that oppose your comments as other than sheep, unlike yourself.

      Very brave to admit such at the same time you are making as ridiculous statements they were.

      Bigotry was not new to him at election time, but you seem to have only started paying attention to him after that point. A lot must seem new to you these days.

    4. Re:Thanks, but no thanks by ljw1004 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, Breitbart has a right-leaning bias, but it's like an antidote to the main stream media's false and biased reporting.

      An "antidote" is a medicine you give to counteract a poison.

      What you describe is countering one poison (what you call MSM's biased reporting) with another (what you call Breitbart's bias). That's not an antidote. I don't think there's any case of using one poison to cure another poison, other than homeopathy. In the absence of antidotes, I think the only thing we have us dilution -- i.e. counter biased reporting by clinging to news sources that are as unbiased as you can find.

    5. Re:Thanks, but no thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Overall Breitbart is trash. Maybe you can sift through it to find something useful, but I wouldn't recommend bothering unless you had already exhausted dozens of other news sources.

    6. Re:Thanks, but no thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry but I'll need to see your long form birth certificate before I can consider your opinion as valid.

    7. Re:Thanks, but no thanks by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      So the OS brand, NATO, some think tank, NGO workers, ex and former US mil/gov workers get to decide what a user can do on their own computer?
      Thats some nice OS level censorship.

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    8. Re:Thanks, but no thanks by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      How did you get from optional browser plug-in to OS level censorship by NATO?

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    9. Re:Thanks, but no thanks by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The browser is going to have to be tracked for every link to a site, social media.
      Not much use if the users interaction with the WWW lets them find news that are not approved?
      So the ability to detect what site a users is "reading" and "watching" is going to have to be done in real time.
      Not much good if the user can just change a browser and escape to news thats not approved.
      So someone has to approve and rate thousands of news and information sites and ensure the browser never allows the user to see one that is not "expert" approved :)
      Full 1984 at the OS level.

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    10. Re:Thanks, but no thanks by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow, Brietbart shills have a lot of mod points today.

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  11. And of course the anontrolls are out by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 2

    to both talk shit about right-leaning news outlets and by their presence to make us believe we need some white knight (like NewsGuard!) to ride to the rescue.

  12. Uhh . . thanks for trying? by dimmthewitted · · Score: 1

    What a nice feature . . if this was employed on any other browser besides Edge Mobile or even if this was an on feature.

    The people who would have this app installed and be included to enable this in settings represent the smallest market share also are probably the demographic least affected by Fake News.

    people-older-than-65-share-the-most-fake-news-study-finds

    For some hilarity, I would love to see the telemetry data on this. 0.00000000001% of market share.

    Thanks for trying Microsoft, but this isn't the feature that is going to win us over. You have lost the mobile browser.

  13. Nice by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

    Any word on pricing? I'd very much like to become a "trusted news source."

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  14. If you want to believe it.... by shipofgold · · Score: 1

    This comes down to:

    If you want to believe it, no amount of other people telling you its fake is going to change things.

    I wish all people would approach all new with skepticism and do a bit of homework before believing mydumbnews.com, but that isn't going to happen.

  15. Shouldn't news reporting be better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Maybe we should stop giving credibility to bloggers, journalism hacks, and stories that lack any factual presentations. Some people seem OK with tabloid style journalism just because it supports their belief system. Doesn't matter if a hint of it is true, factual or has any real credible sources. So the solution is fake news filters? Maybe demand better journalism would be a better option.

    1. Re:Shouldn't news reporting be better? by DCFusor · · Score: 2

      Dunno what ass is modding you back down after I mod you up.

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    2. Re:Shouldn't news reporting be better? by Obfiscator · · Score: 1

      Maybe we should ditch the 24/7 news cycle, too. Where does this need for breaking news come from, anyway? Very, very few stories suffer for being held back for a couple days or a week to confirm facts, or to spend time putting the story in context.

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  16. All the Edge users jubilate by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Both of them.

  17. Nothing by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

    They refuse to accept money from the sites they rate. Which makes sense, because it hardly seems the couple of million dollars would be worth the loss of trust that would cause.

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    1. Re:Nothing by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 1

      It is a revenue stream.
      No way they are going to pass that up.
      Just look at adblock plus. You pay them money and they will show your ad.

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    2. Re:Nothing by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      They're revenue stream is "subsidized by Microsoft so MS can build marketshare on the mobile browser". You're not going to mess with that for a few grand.

      AdBlock Plus had no other revenue stream.

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    3. Re:Nothing by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      But, but, but, they have a history of being caught out lying. Oh I get it, newsguard, guarding you from the news, putting the bite on truth and making sure the leading US corporations decide what is and is not the truth for the rest of the world. Now just wandering, why I should consider US corporations as the gospel of truth, the holy church of news, whose words can never be challenged and you are sinners if you do not pray at their alters of truth.

      M$ Newsguard, yeah, fuck off M$, seriously think any thinking person is going to buy into this bullshit, even the mug punters are going to hate you for this, wow, telling them what to believe and what not to believe, the religion of the M$ corporation, basically spreading corporate ideology as a religion, by promoting their news services and shutting down all others, hey it's not green, why shouldn't the next step be to block access to that site, it is for your own good, sit down and pray at the alter of M$.

      What a pack of dickbrains, you are just another company morons, you are not gods, the arbiters of truth, you arrogant arseholes.

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    4. Re:Nothing by torkus · · Score: 1

      But does anyone actually TRUST Microsoft enough to believe they're an appropriate arbiter of 'true news'?

      Never mind that 'fake news' is now the exact same debate as the news topic itself in most cases. While it seems obvious to most people what would and wouldn't be 'fake news' that obviousness generally exists only in their personal perspective (and with the like-minded people they surround themselves with). There are countless examples these days where both sides know their opinio^^^^^^ facts are 'obviously true' ... and plenty of cases where neither side is entirely wrong.

      Letting someone, anyone, decide broadly that broad swaths of 'news' shouldn't get paid attention to is at least equally dangerous to the insanity coming out of the news outlets in the first place. It's just another type of censorship.

      And obvious troll points aside, wouldn't this mean would also be flagged as fake news? :)

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  18. I find such things helpful by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Anything it claims is untrue, should probably be paid extra attention to so that you can get a sense of what the mainstream media is trying to hide.

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  19. Oh, and one more thing by Bromancer · · Score: 1

    Because we have all had proper indoctrination into leftist politics, you can be sure all our approved sources unflinchingly follow right think. Our team of specialists is prepared to readily ignore all the mistakes friendly news sources make, as long as their bias agrees with us. We are also promise to categorize any mistake that slants to the wrong side as profound evidence for systematic banishment as fake news.

  20. Censorship is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You should let the idiots talk and prove themselves idiots. More effective.
    Now, if the government and people are afraid too many will be fooled...then all that money they take from us by force to indoctrinate our kids must be getting wasted doing that instead of teaching critical thinking and other useful skills - we make them so stupid they take out huge non recourse loans and overpay to get degrees in things that there are no jobs doing, in an economy that now requires every adult in a household to have a job just to get by, unlike when I grew up - proof right there.
    And maybe that idea is one of the "fake news" issues they'd just as soon have censored - that despite high costs, they are teaching people at best to consume, obey, sleep - and not think, nope, that's dangerous to them. George Carlin had it right, they don't want people who can think.

  21. This seems like a good feature to make their browser more attractive. Do they still report everything you do and everywhere you go back to Microsoft?

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  22. Where will The Onion fit in? by mysidia · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They aren't real news, and they aren't fake news....
    they're satirical news for purposes of humor, with such absurd topics that any literate person should immediately recognize the article content as satire past the first paragraph or so, even if they were living under a rock and didn't know what TheOnion was. Are they going to get the dreaded "Fake News Warning" anyways?

    1. Re:Where will The Onion fit in? by sad_ · · Score: 2

      from the newsguard site;

      "orange rated sites indicate satire sites"

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    2. Re:Where will The Onion fit in? by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      We have a sitting Congressperson telling us that the world is going to end in 12 years due to global warming. How exactly do we tell news from satire these days?

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    3. Re:Where will The Onion fit in? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Which of TheOnion political headlines sounds more believable to you?

      Defiant Pelosi Begins Swimming To Afghanistan After Trump Denies Use Of Government Plane
      Lincoln Memorial Empty After Former President’s Statue Furloughed
      New Hampshire Legislature Passes Bill Naming Fentanyl State Opiate
      Presumptuous Congressional Freshman Thinks She Can Just Come In And Represent Constituents
      Poll Finds 100% Of Americans Blame Shutdown Entirely On Colorado Representative Scott Tipton
      John Bolton Insists Iran Likely Harboring Dangerous Terrorist Osama Bin Laden
      Trump Covered In Own Shit After Furloughed White House Staff Fail To Bathe President
      Giuliani: ‘Let’s Just Start Everything Over’
      Kamala Harris Assembles Campaign Staff Of Unpaid California Prison Laborers
      Chuck Grassley Voted Against MLK Day Due To Foreseeing How Everyone Would Dishonor King’s Memory

    4. Re:Where will The Onion fit in? by strikethree · · Score: 1

      I am guessing The Onion will be called a legit news source. Here is an eerie example of their prescience, note that the article was written before any of the shit they mention happened.

      https://politics.theonion.com/...

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  23. IE? by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    How is grandpa going to notice this new icon with all the toolbars installed?

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  24. The news that got approved by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    by NGOs, NATO, think tanks, former US gov workers, former US go mil.
    With an OS level GUI direct over your browser on your smart phone.

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  25. They seem shady by asdfman2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For a tool that claims they care about transparency they really do their best to prevent you from looking up a list of sites and their ratings.

    If anyone is interested, I dug into the code for the chrome extension and grabbed their API URL so you can look up sites without having to install their extension:

    - Trusted: CNN
    - Trusted: Daily Caller
    - Trusted: The Independent
    - Trusted: Mother Jones (lol)
    - Trusted: Huffington Post (lol)
    - Trusted: The Daily Beast (lol)
    - Trusted: BuzzFeed News (ok this is just sad)
    - Not Trusted: Breitbart
    - Not Trusted: Daily Mail

    Looks fair and balanced to me.

    1. Re:They seem shady by Ashe+Tyrael · · Score: 3, Informative

      On the other hand, they aren't wrong in some cases:

      From the Daily Mail results: "The site repeatedly publishes false information and has been forced to pay damages in numerous high-profile cases."

      Yup.

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    2. Re:They seem shady by porlryan · · Score: 1, Informative

      You missed out https://www.dailykos.com/ from your list. A left-wing site. Don't you care about transparency?

    3. Re:They seem shady by asdfman2000 · · Score: 2

      My list was by no means supposed to be exhaustive. My intention was to give everyone else access to the API so they can form their own opinions. I suppose I could write up a script to generate a google sheet from every news source on google news / slashdot / reddit, or something, but I'm far too lazy.

      If it makes you feel any better, I'll drop the dailyKos one here.

      - Not Trusted: Daily Kos

  26. Re:How about just be a FUCKING BROWSER? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Ad blockers and script changes can block gov/NGO and mil efforts to control the news.
    So they go direct into the OS to control the browser and watch every link.
    Click some news and an OS level GUI drops down over any browser used.

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  27. Re:What makes these companies the deciders? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    The gov/mil/NGO/former mil staff cant meme, cant report news, cant make funny art about their own side of politics.
    To win over hearts and minds the idea is to go to the OS direct.
    A GUI will drop down over any browser and alter the way the user interacts with the WWW on their own computer.
    That will remove any ability to view and enjoy funny memes about wars, politics, to LOL at politicians who cant give a speech.
    NGO/gov/mil/NATO and think tank control at the OS level over every link and OS connects to.
    Changing a browser won't alter the OS level GUI dropping down.
    Full 1984 in the big brand OS the consumer told to go look at a web site.
    Now the OS will get between the user, their internet use and every link/site.

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  28. Re: An Irony by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

    Why would I bother wading through all that drivel more than once?

  29. Propaganda by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    Who evaluates the people who evaluate?

  30. More censorship by danbuter · · Score: 1

    Anything that the media bigwigs don't like (ie anything not Leftist) will now be censored. Thank you for your cooperation.

  31. Not a Bad Idea by byrddtrader · · Score: 1

    For those that have not used Newsguard its a useful tool. Newsguard has done significant research and offers a comprehensive profile and a reason to believe/not believe the news source. If they come up with strikes against a news outlet they give that outlet the opportunity to refute their findings before the integrate the information into the their app.

  32. Re:So how much by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    So, how much do you think it would cost for sites to pay M$ to trust it. I think somewhere in the $50000-$500000 range.

    They can pay ms as much as they want. Newsguard is a seperate company.

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  33. Re: An Irony by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    Why would I bother wading through all that drivel more than once?

    What, you don't want to spend hours researching and refuting each point just so he can call you a shill and move on?

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  34. Re:Every 'trusted' site lied about WMDs for Blair by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    It seems wrong to blame the media for reporting lies governments told that could not be independently verified. CNN, BBC etc. don't have their own weapons inspectors. Do you blame them for repeating "no obstruction!" and "no collusion!" too?

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  35. Re:Actual purpose by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

    "Well, what do you think all these new censorship tools & systems are really for?"

    Narrative control?

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/...

    "it will soon become almost impossible to avoid this neocon-approved news site’s ranking systems on any technological device sold in the United States ... the latest venture to result from the partnership between Steven Brill and Louis Gordon Crovitz"

    https://www.newsguardtech.com/...

    "Our Advisory Board - Tom Ridge, the first Secretary of Homeland Security (George W. Bush administration) - Richard Stengel, former editor of Time magazine and Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy (Obama administration) - (Ret.) General Michael Hayden, former Director of the CIA, former Director of the National Security Agency and former Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence (George W. Bush administration) - Don Baer, chairman of Burson, Cohn & Wolfe and former White House Communications Director (Clinton administration) - Elise Jordan, political analyst, NBC, and former speechwriter for Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice - John Battelle, co-founding editor of Wired and founding chief executive of Industry Standard magazines - Jessica Lessin, founder and editor-in-chief of The Information"

  36. Re: Every 'trusted' site lied about WMDs for Blair by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    First of all, did they report that Iraq has WMDs or that various intelligence agencies have stated that Iraq has WMDs? I'm betting it's the exclusively the latter. And how would the BBC or CNN verify the existence of WMDs in any case? Try to send a journalist to find and sneak into Iraq's secret military bases?

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  37. Re:Miscreant-o-soft CENSORSHIP right in your brows by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    Oh look the Microsoft shills have mod points! Assholes.