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Worrying Rise in Global CO2 Forecast for 2019 (theguardian.com)
The level of climate-warming carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere is forecast to rise by a near-record amount in 2019, according to the Met Office. From a report: The increase is being fuelled by the continued burning of fossil fuels and the destruction of forests, and will be particularly high in 2019 due to an expected return towards El Nino-like conditions. This natural climate variation causes warm and dry conditions in the tropics, meaning the plant growth that removes CO2 from the air is restricted. Levels of the greenhouse gas have not been as high as today for 3-5m years, when the global temperature was 2-3C warmer and the sea level was 10-20 metres (32 to 64 feet) higher. Climate action must be increased fivefold to limit warming to the 1.5C rise above pre-industrial levels that scientists advise, according to the UN. But the past four years have been the hottest on record and global emissions are rising again after a brief pause.
So I don't really care
The government is shut down, we're abandoning our post militarily as a country, our allies have zero faith in our leadership, our President is literally a traitor, and you expect these goons to be worried about the atmosphere?
I don't even think they breathe the same air as the rest of us in the real world. Fox News needs its own fucking planet, and it will suck.
co2 has been going down for decades. this is all just fake news. everything is fine.
Gather round, kids, it's global warming again. What are we going to see this time? Falling skies and denial while staring it in the face, we've had it all in the past, what will we see today?
But really, folks, could we try something new? The old slogans ain't entertaining anymore, it's almost like you don't even try anymore to convince anyone.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
...and not a single person in power will care.
Not a single one until it finally hits their wallet, when it will be too late.
Time and again they say time and again they say what could happen or what might happen but it never happens.
This is extremely unlikely. The Paris accord was signed in 2016 and is against any rise of Co2 emissions.
Stop with the global warming propaganda articles. You are not winning over any converts.
Could we get a link to the actual research paper that supports these claims? The Guardian isn't exactly the most credible source.
How is this tech news again?
I understand its an important issue, but tech related it is not. Please stop posting these stories, or create a way we can vote down stories that are off topic.
The thermometers they were using were hacked... yeah, that's it.
The Democrat-made fires that burned California to a crisp surely didn't help in 2018!
I'm tired of it.
NEWS AT 11
We get upset at CEOs who only care about the next quarters profits but as a species we rarely look ahead more than a year. Case in point everyone knew the Grand-banks fisheries off Canada's east coast were on the verge of collapse and yet we fished them right up to the point of nearly wiping out the cod there. Canadians dump more than 22 tons of GHG per person into the atmosphere (and BTW that's not counting the rotting pine forests). We beat the Americans by over 10% and yet we are doing almost nothing. If you can't get a well educated population that actually thinks climate change is a problem to change their ways there is no hope.
NEWS AT 11
There's literally nothing I can do about these problems except try to push for change through governments that are 100% controlled by big industry.
I'm sick of these stories because there's literally nothing I can do about it. Period.
Change is inevitable. Global warming is only a problem to people who do not want to have to change. If sea levels rise, move. If the temperature is too high for you, move.
When life throws change at you, quit being such a whiney baby and deal with it.
I will believe that the governments of the world are taking global warming seriously when they start building nuclear power plants like they did in the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s. There is no power source that is lower in carbon per energy produced except perhaps hydroelectricity. There is nothing safer than nuclear power based on deaths per energy produced.
Don't tell me that nuclear power is too expensive because the governments of the world are certainly willing to spend gobs of money on worthless wind, solar, and other "green" energy. They are also certainly willing to spend gobs of money fighting over the scraps of carbon left on the table.
In my mind there is no global warming threat because the powers that be don't seem to be acting like it is one. Actions speak louder than words. If they want to talk about how "the science is settled" then they need to read a book on the merits of nuclear power.
We know the question but nobody seems to like the answer. Makes me think that the government is less interested in solving the problem and is more interested in dragging this out as long as they can, that way they can use this as an excuse for things that people might not otherwise allow. Well, people might not otherwise allow nuclear power but at some point they will. It's not like people don't know nuclear power exists, it powers a large part of the USA and perhaps an even larger part of its military.
After they allow nuclear power then they need to find another bogeyman to frighten the masses with I guess. What will that be? Alien invasion?
It's the oil-money-controlled government cabalists, not the people denying reality.. At least half the people can see the damage. Even Canada has retarded head-in-ass conservatism disease though. It's a puppet state, face it. Not a Democracy.
Your genes are elsewhere in the world even if you don't reproduce. If you have a sibling then they have about half your genes, and if they have two kids most of those pass along. If you have two siblings then the fraction of you out there is even higher. And one can go back up the ladder, looking at cousins.
So basically you are all out there and statistically at least half your genes are in someone if you have a lot of family.
You are therefore unnecessary as a vessel for the genes to keep going. But if you feel you have an obligation to your genes then you should care about the planet.
In fact the same logic applies to people with kids. Personally they themselves will die. Only their genes go on. So why should anyone care about the planet if you don't??
Not having kids is not any basis for your logic
The headline on the article is misleading. there is nothing more worrying about this year than last year. The rate of emissions is doing whatever it was doing last year (going up, going down, staying the same...). All that changed is a temporary fluctuation in one of the sink tems is low this year. But this is just a normal environmental fluctuation not the driver term.
So yes one should be interested in emission rates and their long term impact but worrying about next year is not something one needs to place any different concern on.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
I'm looking forward to my property values going up as the beach will be much closer with a 30ft increase.
Nuclear power is a long term solution requiring massive investment. Renewable energy is a short term immediate solution requiring minimal investment. Guess which one wins in a complete-market system? Yep, renewables.
Ask the UK as 8 of their 13 nuke projects are shuttered due to costs nobody wants to pay for, as the US stores hundreds of thousands of spent fuel rods in unsafe concrete pools waiting for a disaster.
If you want nuclear, fine. Pay for it up front if serious.
"Wolf!!!"
When presented with a problem, you either address the problem or tolerate it and adapt somehow. Im my opinion, climate-deniers have won this battle. We're well past the point of addressing the problem. The consequences are gonna hit, and our species is gonna have to adapt
You have record cold
Niagara falls is frozen
https://www.accuweather.com/en...
Record Snowfalls
https://www.miamiherald.com/la...
Power outages in Europe from the snow
https://www.express.co.uk/news...
And they have the balls to scream about global warming meanwhile at the Davos Summit focused on climate change
You have 1500 private jets flying in
https://nypost.com/2019/01/23/...
Sad thing is the crazy people who actually worry about this don't realize they are the butt of a colossal joke and actually get upset when you try to explain it to them.
China accounts for 25% of greenhouse gases.
Current multi-decade plans to transition to solar/wind energy have not been able to halt the increase in greenhouse gases, much less reverse them. We don't have the luxury of waiting decades for unproven solutions to fix this problem. Full-scale nuclear bombardment of China can be conducted immediately.
Nuking China would virtually eliminate their greenhouse gas output. There would also be the additional benefit of reduced global temperatures from a mild nuclear winter scenario. Slowing of the remaining global economy would further reduce greenhouse gases.
The window of opportunity to fix runaway climate change is rapidly closing. All options have to be on the table. The very survival of the Earth is at stake.
"Nerds" like all sorts of things other than "tech". I'm a biology nerd, and I find "tech" about as interesting as watching paint dry. This is news for me, thanks.
I don't respond to AC's.
hy4e - BSD's [tuxedo.org],
Okay, I can see where putting fossilized carbon back into the atmosphere is a bad thing. Hence the drive to reduce burning of coal, oil, and natural gas (well, except that noone is pushing for that to stop, they're cheering it on).
But getting excited about burning wood, which was NOT fossilized carbon, but carbon removed over the last few decades????
C'mon guys. If AGW fanatics want to be taken seriously, at least stick to the science - which is all about putting fossilized carbon back into circulation.....
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
...lead to co2 production I guarantee it
Why is it so freaking hard for you all too understand. STOP MAKING SO MANY BABIES. Less people = less consumption = less pollution. Its not the first world making all these babies.. but feeding the rest of the world that IS making all these babies creates excess pollution. pretty simple.
Zat is weather not climate change. Da ?
No one believes a word the IPCC says or their personal agenda. Fudging numbers, straight lying, threatening people's careers if they don't tow the line.
Enjoy your hockey stick graph, you cock smoking tea-baggers.
> Levels of the greenhouse gas have not been as high as today for 3-5m years, when the global temperature was 2-3C warmer and the sea level was 10-20 metres (32 to 64 feet) higher
[Channeling George Carlin]
So everything was higher, 3-5m years ago, than it is today, and "the planet" survived that just fine, thank you very much; in fact this is one of those periods during which the excess CO2 caused fauna/flora to thrive the most--ever.
Can we please *stop* saying the "action" that's being called for is to "save the planet", and instead be honest about it and say it's to save our own sorry asses? But then, if politicians/the media were to do so, I suspect a lot of people would just decide to screw it, we don't deserve this place to live.
Is the temperature rising because of the rising CO2 level or is it vice versa - the CO2 level is rising because of the rising temperature? Why would the temperature be rising? Well - because of the sun activity... Where is the CO2 coming from? The oceans release it as the temperature rises. I heard the above theory I and am genuinely interested - prove it wrong.
1. Framing and weasel words: "worrying rise in CO2..." Who is worried? And why should we care about their opinion?
2. Things that literally haven't happened: "...forecast for 2019" So "some people" can see the future? And why should we care about their forecast?
3. No solutions: nowhere in there does it give a list of things to do to solve the problem so that "worrying" is reduced.
Boy oh boy! I guess we all better start tearing our hair out and praying to the scientists to save us from the calamity that will surely befall us if we don't have enough faith in their prophesy!
Stop all the alarmism. It doesn't matter anymore. Acosio-Cortez has already told us that the world is going to end in 12 years, so what's the point. Live it up people. Party like it's 2029.
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
They never believed it - neither the ones that claim to nor the ones that claim not to.
If those who claimed to believe it really did believe it, they'd be working to abort pro-natalist policies, which raise the world population (creating more users of fossil-fuel energy) and other policies that move people to places with higher standards of living (where each uses far more energy and fossil-fuels).
Instead they're encouraging the migration of masses of low-income voters from Mexico, and prefer to let part of the government be shut down for months to allowing a wall be built to slow them. And the biggest "educator"/propagandist for the global warming claim is a billionaire from an oil-rich family who made more on his own by starting a "carbon credit exchange", taking a percentage of the added costs to global businesses imposed by the new anti-carbon laws he helped pass.
Those who claim not to believe it say it's a massive power grab that hurts their constituents, donors, and own pocketbooks.
Meanwhile, among the general public, since scientific research has become attached to moral claims, power politics, and enormous economic gains and lossess, real believers and real skeptics will not believe any further research supporting the other's view. The skeptics have seen enough fudged data, peer-review capture, and selective funding of doom-finders by the powers-that-be with more power to be gained, that they don't believe any research or analysis suggesting ever-increasing doom scenarios. The believers reject any research or analysis suggesting the problem may not be as big as claimed, or exist at all, or even be headed in the opposite direction.
The issue has become a shibboleth - a group identifier and virtue signal. Nobody will be convinced by more science, because with the claims that it's "settled" they can't separate real science from fake science well enough to trust it to change their current ideas.
So we won't find out whether it's right until it happens.
A pity, really. If there IS an eco-catastrophe on its way, we'll just have to live through it and patch it after the fact (or die trying), when we MIGHT have done something useful in advance. (On the other hand, if there isn't one coming, maybe we won't impoverish and enslave ourselves making useless motions to solve a non-problem.)
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
The West can put pressure on China, India and third world countries by building energy efficient, non-polluting mega-factories in the West that are open to any company that currently outsources manufacturing. There are ways we can reduce CO2. This is one of them. Yes, it will take long term planning. That's something that lazy corporate boards and CEO's don't like doing.
Have a look for yourself: https://www.windy.com/-CO-concentration-cosc?cosc,19.643,103.096,3
The only way to really know who is right about global warming is pump out more CO2 and lets see what happens. And let's get on to 10 billion people. Only way to know for sure if we are overpopulated or not. Tired of the endless debate.
98% of scientists say GW is real, but afaik only 8-12% think it is caused by man. Search for the graph
"Late Pleistocene: Atmospheric CO2 and the Glacial cycles"
and you will see we are right about where we should be in the cyclical GW graph.
"Tempers are wearing thin. Let's just hope some robot doesn't kill everybody." --Bender
Oh, not to worry, climate-change deniers, religious types, greedy bastards, and whoever else effectively doesn't give a fuck about what happens to the Earth, it's got it's own failsafe plan to save itself: the die-back of the Human species. You people keep going the way all of you are going, and at some point there won't be enough resources to sustain everyone, and there will be a massive die-back of our species, along with the fall of our civilization -- likely hastened by the wars that you'll fight over what usable land and resources are left. So, eventually, the Earth will survive and recover -- but we'll either not be here to see it, or there'll be only a fraction of us left. I won't be here to see that happen, none of us will, but I almost wish I would be just to see the look on the religious zealots' faces when they realize that Zombie Jesus ain't coming to 'take them home' and that they have to live with the mess they've made of things...
...or, you can all stop being idiots about this and stop fucking everything up, starting now. Your choice.
And end all fossil fuel depreciation, exemptions, exclusions, and subsidies.
Everywhere.
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NEWS AT 11, FAGGOT!
WHINE MOAR
China is adding 256+ GW of new coal plants to China and another 256+ GW of coal plants to other nations.
India continues to climb.
America climbed a bit this year, and will go down after this, but, the question is, how much?
Amongst all this, are the far lefites that continue to give green lights to China's massive expansion and then at the same time, does all they can to stop the one real solution, which is the use of Nuclear power.
Until ppl take this SERIOUSLY and understand that REAL SOLUTIONS ARE NEEDED to bring down ALL NATION'S EMISSIONS, it really does not matter.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
You must be the least credible, least serious person around.
You constantly tell us how America is green, but you are amongst the worst of the worst. China and Europe could double their CO2 output and still be cleaner than you per person. You keep pretending you are clean, just because you happen to have less people.
America climbed a bit this year, and will go down after this, but, the question is, how much?
Your predictions here WindBourne are as worthless as ever. You were told constantly for close on a year, that American CO2 was increasing, but you kept predicting it would go down over and over like a broken record.
You are always wrong ! You constantly lie and make shit up to make America look good or China bad. Who pays you to be this wrong and ill-informed?
What a total loser.
after all, random chance should make them right half the time anyway.
This one statement alone is enough for everyone to know you are totally clueless and not worth bothering about.
What a surprise, the American apologist blames China to deflect attention away from America.
Americans are so much more dirty than Chinese it's not even close.
China could literally burn twice as much coal just to spite you, and their per person CO2 would still be less than yours.
Just put it all in a big pile and set it on fire. Just for fun. They would still be cleaner than you.
You already know this of course. Just as you already know America is far far worse than just about every country in the world when it comes to CO2 pollution.
From 1960 to now.
Have in mind that in 1950 we produced as much CO2 by burning as we breath out now.
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China and India are main contributors to increase emissions in 2010s. While the Western world actually stabilized emissions, the emissions from these two skyrocketed due to economic boom.
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