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Tesla 'Dog Mode' Will Stop Pets From Overheating In Cars, Elon Musk Says (nzherald.co.nz)

Tesla CEO Elon Musk said his fleet of electric vehicles will be getting a "dog mode" to protect pets from overheating. The feature, which will be rolled out next week, will be able to detect when a pet is locked inside the car -- and keep the temperature at a safe level. The New Zealand Herald reports: There will also likely be a display or some form of communication to inform passers-by that the dog is safe. The feature was added after Musk was inundated with tweets from customers. In October, one Tesla driver asked him: "Can you put a dog mode on the Tesla Model 3. "Where the music plays and the air conditioning is on, with a display on screen saying 'I'm fine my owner will be right back?'" Musk replied: "Yes."

'Dog mode' will likely be an extension of Tesla's Cabin Overheat Protection System. This already prevents temperatures inside the car from reaching unsafe levels when kids or pets are inside. But the screen in Tesla models is likely to now flash a message to pedestrians informing them that the pet inside is safe. The "dog mode" update will be launched at the same time as a "sentry mode" -- designed to ward off would-be thieves. Sentry Mode will use the dashcam to record footage in the event of an attempted break-in. And it is rumored the car will play loud classical music through the stereo system to draw attention to the intruder and encourage passersby to call the police.

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  1. Re:You are the dog. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    That's unkind to dogs... more like "sheep" or "lemming." For the record, I love the idea of electric cars, it's just that Tesla's surveillance-heavy, repair-unfriendly implementation sucks.

  2. People will leave infants/toddlers in car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... with dog-mode enabled. When it malfunctions, or they just forgot to turn it on that one time, it will be all over the news. Elon Musk, baby killer!

  3. Re:Rei by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know Elon Musk is your personal hero and savior, but to the rest of us he is a scummy salesguy.

    Speak for yourself. I'm not in love with him like Rei, but I also respect what he's managed to accomplish, and where he's choosing to spend his money. I want EVs to succeed, and he's helped that. I want space to be developed more, and he's furthering that.

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  4. Re:You are the dog. by PPH · · Score: 2

    you are the dog, at the whim of some billionaire psychopath.

    Hey Elon! I just pooped. Grab a plastic bag and get that.

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  5. Baby sitting mode by Kuruk · · Score: 1

    Then Tesla owners can go to Vegas and gamble all weekend :)

  6. Re:Rei by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    I want EVs to succeed, but I also think his control-freak business model and unfriendliness to right-to-repair makes him a shitty human being.

  7. Thanks, NZ Herald by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

    For the article about a car you can't buy in New Zealand.
    Tesla will take a reservation payment though, with no promise of delivery or any indication of timing, with no use-of-money interest and effectively a promise that if the company fails, you won't get your money back.

  8. Re:Rei by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    I don't care about you either. You are another moron on here. Space Nutter. Time to grow up.

    There's only two ways for humanity to grow up. Either reduce resource consumption and energy expenditure dramatically, or expand into space. Any other course of action spells doom.

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  9. Re:Rei by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Accomplished? Other than coasting on other people's work, what has he actually managed to accomplish? In this case, Tesla was already founded when he attached himself to it, and the company itself would be doing far better without him.

    1) I notice you didn't mention SpaceX, since that would completely destroy your argument.
    2) Tesla is a cult of Musk. Everyone but you understands that Tesla would not be doing better without him.

    Those stupid Hyperloops that he's been pushing, are completely by other people now, he doesn't have any involvement.

    So what you're saying is that he catalyzed next-generation transportation? Thanks for agreeing with me.

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  10. MOD PARENT UP! by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

    Enough already!

  11. You know what this reminds me of? by slashmydots · · Score: 2

    Remember the stories of the self driving cars where people sent their dogs to go get drive through fast food. They trained them to pick up the money in their mouth and hand it over to the person in the window. Epic.

  12. Re:Babies by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it dog only, or will it work with a baby?

    According to TFA, there is a sensor to detect if a dog is in the car. It isn't clear if it would also detect a baby. But dogs and babies should have similar sensor profiles, so you should be fine. So, sure, feel free to leave your baby in the hot car. What could go wrong?

    If you can't afford a Tesla, here is a low tech trick to avoid killing your baby: When you put the kid in the carseat, put your wallet & cellphone on the floor next to the baby. Then when you get where you are going and reach into your pocket for your cellphone to check your Facebook status, the phone is NOT THERE! Then you remember that you left your baby in the car. Broiled infant brain avoided!

  13. Re:Rei by Ecuador · · Score: 4, Informative

    Eh, I think you have to separate the two.

    Rei has overdone it, we really don't need any more Tesla news. And we really really really don't need any more Tesla non-news like this one.

    Elon Musk on the other hand single-handedly started the switch-over to electrical vehicles and is leading space launch technology. He is neither "scummy" nor a "salesguy". With all his flaws (stay away from Twitter, dude - no, it's not OK even if the President tweets much worse), he makes a difference, the world would be better off with a few more Elon Musks.

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  14. Ruh-roh! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Can you put a dog mode on the Tesla Model 3. "Where the music plays and the air conditioning is on, with a display on screen saying 'I'm fine my owner will be right back?'"

    That's just silly. Everyone knows dogs can't read.

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    1. Re:Ruh-roh! by blindseer · · Score: 3, Informative

      How do you know? On the internet nobody knows if there's a dog posting to Slashdot.

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    2. Re:Ruh-roh! by infolation · · Score: 1

      a display on screen saying 'I'm fine my owner will be right back'

      This is like schrodinger's dog, with passers-by unable to determine whether it's 'dead' or 'just fine and sleeping'.

    3. Re:Ruh-roh! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Have you browsed at -1? I think it's clear dogs are posting on Slashdot.

    4. Re:Ruh-roh! by Tom · · Score: 1

      Technically, at least one body knows - the dog. So it's actually (nobody - 1).

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  15. Re:Rei by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    Other than coasting on other people's work, what has he actually managed to accomplish?

    Successful people delegate. Failing to leverage the work and expertise of others is the shortest path to entrepreneurial failure.

  16. Sentry mode should.... by sethmeisterg · · Score: 1

    Play a sample of someone screaming and yelling "DONT LET THIS PERSON STEAL ME!!"

    1. Re:Sentry mode should.... by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      "KEEP SUMMER SAFE."

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  17. Toddler mode by quenda · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is really "toddler mode", they just can't call it that for legal reasons.

    On a related note, I know some parents who put their baby in the car and drove laps just to get the baby to sleep. Now they can stay home while the car does that!

    1. Re:Toddler mode by stooo · · Score: 1

      you're dangerous.

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  18. Re: You are the dog. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Go away.

  19. Re:Rei by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    First off, SpaceX wouldn't destroy my argument, the technology necessary to send people into space is decades old

    That's not the argument.

    and at any rate, he's behind Blue Origin.

    How many orbital flights has Blue Origin made?

    Rather than hiring competent people to help set up the assembly line and whatnot, he's been calling for excessive increases in capacity above and beyond what they could reasonably achieve.

    He tried lots of automation, he backed off from that, now they're producing lots of vehicles for their size. Naturally he hopes to get there eventually, like every manufacturer.

    As for the Hyperloop, that's not a next generation transportation technology. He had the idea, but it's so bad that even Musk has backed away from it. They still aren't anywhere near competitive with regular high speed rail, let alone that maglev stuff that the Japanese already have in service.

    Rome wasn't sacked in a day.

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  20. Re:Have the Car Babysit, by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    While in the Bar... a 70's child :)

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  21. Evolution of the feature by steveha · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Using the Tesla mobile app, it has been possible for at least a couple years to leave the air conditioning on inside the car while leaving the car. I read about a Tesla owner who had a note taped to his car window: "This is a Tesla and its air conditioning is running. The dog is fine. Please don't break my window."

    More recently Tesla added a feature where you could use the touchscreen to do the same thing. In the climate controls dialog there is a button, "leave climate control running when car is stopped."

    Now the screen will be used to display a message telling people that the pets are fine, please don't break the window. Why not!

    This is one of those emergent features that nobody predicted years ago.

    Another one: Elon Musk wanted the Model 3 to have a clean look, so Tesla engineers wound up inventing a computer-controlled steerable air blower for the dashboard. You don't have to touch louvers to direct the air, you use a GUI on the touchscreen. This not only looks cleaner, but the computer remembers the air settings per driver, so if a husband and wife want different settings the car just handles it.

    One day someone on Twitter said "Hey Elon Musk, when I use the mobile app to turn on the air conditioning and cool down my Model 3 when it's been parked in the sun on a hot day, how about pointing the air blowers at the seats to cool them down?" And Elon Musk replied "Great idea, I'll make it happen." (Quotes paraphrased from memory.)

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    1. Re:Evolution of the feature by jabuzz · · Score: 2

      Except the airflow in at least a Model S is really poor in the trunk, ot the point where even with the air con going your dog is going to at best have a very unpleasant time in the back, along with any kids in the optional trunk seats. See the Rich Rebuilds video on this.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  22. Re:Babies by atheos · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes, so long as the baby barks.

  23. Re:Rei by Excelcia · · Score: 2

    I want EVs to succeed, and he's helped that..

    I want EV's to succeed as well, but as much as I respect SpaceX and some of Musk's other accomplishments, I don't see Tesla as furthering the progress of EV's. The poster who called them a dystopian surveillance vehicle wasn't wrong. Tesla knows where you are at all times. They can listen to you. They can push over the air updates to individual cars that you can't block or, potentially, even know about. Which means they can literally take over your vehicle at any time. This isn't tinfoil hat stuff. This is functionality they have publicly demonstrated. You aren't buying a car, you are paying them to give them your personal information and rent a ride.

    These vehicles are the surveillance state's wet dream.

  24. Forget Dog Mode by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 2

    Let me know when Tesla enables God Mode.

    1. Re:Forget Dog Mode by mentil · · Score: 1

      Noclip might be more practical.
      Actually, playing Rise of the Triad in Dog Mode was pretty fun.

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  25. So now we know - Rei has a dog by ChesterRafoon · · Score: 1

    The only explanation.

  26. What does the dog want? by schwit1 · · Score: 1

    A real dog mode is the car driving around with the windows down so it can stick its head out

  27. Dog overheating by Z80a · · Score: 1

    Don't forget to replace the thermal paste on your canine from time to time, and if you're running a really hot dog, you should consider using a watercooling solution.

    1. Re:Dog overheating by mentil · · Score: 2

      I used liquid nitrogen on my dog. Now it seems to make a weird smell unless I reapply it regularly. It's a racket I tell you.

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  28. Re:Rei by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    I want EV's to succeed as well, but as much as I respect SpaceX and some of Musk's other accomplishments, I don't see Tesla as furthering the progress of EV's. The poster who called them a dystopian surveillance vehicle wasn't wrong.

    This is the future of automobiles, like it or not (and I don't.) Every vehicle which adopts true level 3 autonomy (unlike Tesla, so far) will be spying on you and exchanging information at all times. Major automakers have already made agreements for information sharing with other automakers, and the companies they've agreed to use to transfer the data are poised to sell that information — which you can be sure will be insufficiently "anonymized". Tons of GM and Subaru vehicles have OnStar and are already [capable of] doing the same kind of spying, even if you don't have a subscription. They can't exactly "take over" your vehicle, but they can shut it down, and they can listen in on your conversations.

    Meanwhile, I have a car that doesn't even have a PCM. The only electronics needed are in the glow system timer, and that could literally be replaced by a wind-up motor with a cam which actuates a switch. Engine shutoff is done with a vacuum switch attached to the rear of the ignition lock. There IS a computer attached to the motor... to activate the EGR system. It's irrelevant, and trivially bypassed with a BB. There is no computer to operate the transmission, which communicates with the engine via a steel cable, and a vacuum line — yet it has a hill sensor. If privacy is important to you, allow me to suggest you get such a vehicle (W126 300SD) while they're still cheap. 30 mpg freeway when the valves are nicely adjusted, not bad around town, pretty comfortable, phenomenally smooth ride as the factory shocks are Bilstein HDs. You can even get them with ABS, if you like. They're kind of a dog but with sufficient effort you can double their horsepower (to a whopping 240, heh. But they have boatloads of torque.)

    With that said, I'd swap it for any credible EV (not a Leaf) in a heartbeat, so I never had to dick with the ICE again.

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  29. Re:One thing Tesla's don't need - Trump mode. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Whew, for a minute I thought we were going to have no mention of Trump in a thread that isn't about Trump.

    You're doing the spaghetti monster's work, anon. I salute you.

  30. Re:Rei by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Which is why Musk often sleeps at the factory for days - weeks - on end to make sure things happen. Delegation at its finest, right?

    On one hand, that probably is a bad idea. On the other hand, Tesla buyers love it. They see it as a sign of commitment, not that he should be committed.

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  31. Re:Have the Car Babysit, by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    While in the Bar... a 70's child :)

    My father took me into the bar, in the 80s, you insensitive clod! My brothers had to wait in the car and then sometimes drive him home, too, in the 70s.

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  32. Re:Rei by baker_tony · · Score: 1

    LOL!

  33. This tech is too high for me. by swell · · Score: 1

    I know that many of you avoid 'smart' TVs for various reasons. I'm struggling with my 'smart' phone that seems to do things whenever it pleases despite my preferences. I don't want a car that decides for itself what it should do. I don't want a car that connects to the internet whenever it, or some outside intelligence, wants it to.

    I'd much prefer a 1956 Corvette, dumb as a bucket of rocks, to the smartest car on the market.
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/w...

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    1. Re:This tech is too high for me. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      A 1956 Corvette also handles like a box of rocks by modern standards. Pretty, though. In the last decade, shitboxen like Corollas have caught up even to the cars of the eighties.

      If you want a dumb car, get an eighties diesel Mercedes, or build a kit car. Nothing else really makes sense. If you power your kit car with a pre-1970s engine, you can get away without any computers at all. Of course, unless you use a diesel, you'll be throwing away fuel, due to the nature of non-computerized tuning. Even with mechanical fuel injection. Diesels run lean all the time, gassers don't.

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  34. Re:Rei by whoever57 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Please show us on the doll where Elon touched you.....

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  35. Re:What could go wrong? by stooo · · Score: 1

    Better have a dead battery than a dead dog.

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  36. Re:Rei by micheas · · Score: 2

    Although to counterbalance if you brick your model 3 while preparing for own2p0wn they will reflash the car for you and have declared that you are not voiding your warranty, so, half a brownie point?

  37. Re:Rei by mentil · · Score: 2

    Expanding into space doesn't excuse the ones who remain on Earth from ruining it, or exempt them from doom.

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  38. Re:Rei by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    OK, Rei - I think we have had enough Tesla "news" to last a lifetime.

    Given that this guy is making the biggest impact in the world of mobility, is using technology to do so, and his company is constantly featured in news could I suggest rather than complain to Rei (who didn't post this story) you instead consider digging a hole and burying yourself in it?

    That way you may escape Elon Musk. ... just check with the local government if the Boring company is due to come by anytime soon.

  39. Re:Rei by inking · · Score: 1

    It’s not “his” money, Einstein.

  40. Re:What could go wrong? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    Take too long and you might have both.

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  41. Re:Rei by stealth_finger · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't care about you either. You are another moron on here. Space Nutter. Time to grow up.

    Pack up the show lads. This random twat on the internet doesn't care about it.

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  42. Re:Rei by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    splashing you in the face with a blast of planet-saving on their way to not-the-gas station.

    You suck at everything.

    Where does the electric come from?

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  43. Re:Rei by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    Those stupid Hyperloops that he's been pushing, are completely by other people now, he doesn't have any involvement.

    So what you're saying is that he catalyzed next-generation transportation? Thanks for agreeing with me.

    The 'hyperloop' is never going to happen. It would have happened a long time ago if it was. It's not a new idea and they figured out it was a non starter 100+ years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  44. Re:What could go wrong? by stooo · · Score: 1

    The battery will last much longer than the dog.

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  45. Re:What could go wrong? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    The dog can probably go a couple days without charging. How long is your battery going to last blasting AC? Unless you leave it plugged into a charger you're already going to be down the power used to drive you there. How much juice does the AC use? Probably the biggest power drain after actually moving the vehicle.

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  46. Re:Babies by jeremyp · · Score: 1

    As a bonus when you get back to the car, you'll find it nicely ventilated due to the hole the thief made in the window when they stole your wallet and phone.

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  47. Eyeroll by sjbe · · Score: 1, Insightful

    For the record, I love the idea of electric cars, it's just that Tesla's surveillance-heavy, repair-unfriendly implementation sucks.

    Right because all the other car makers are just killing it with their EVs implment... oh that's right they barely exist. I think you need to take off the tinfoil hat. If you don't like/want a Telsa for whatever reason that's fine. But their cars are clearly popular and people find them good value for money. The notion that it is some unrepairable, Orwell-mobile is just absurd.

    Whatever you think of Tesla, if you think the other automakers won't do approximately the exact same things Tesla is doing you are delusional. It just didn't occur to them to really try. Tesla just gets the advantage of starting with a clean slate and not having to answer to shareholders demanding steady quarterly profits to deal with.

    1. Re: Eyeroll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We have been repairing cars for 100 years. Tesla has come along and made sure that's a thing of the past. Keep playing. The future won't look anything like the past.

  48. Bad at snark by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Accomplished? Other than coasting on other people's work, what has he actually managed to accomplish?

    Oh he seems to have accomplished a thing or two...

    Founded Zip2 and sold it to Compaq for $307 million
    Founder of X.com and CEO of Paypal - sold to eBay for $1.5 billion
    Chairman and CEO of Tesla motors since 2008 - company now worth $52 billion as of this post
    Founder of Solarcity
    Created concept of Hyperloop
    Founded OpenAI research corporation
    Founded Neuralink
    Founded The Boring Company
    Founded SpaceX and got the first privately financed orbital rocket into space and has driven down the cost to orbit dramatically.

    My question would be what have you accomplished besides being bad at snark on the internet? Name me one person who has actually accomplished more than Musk has in the last 20 years.

  49. Re:Rei by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    "30 mpg? That comes with extremely steep penalties for being a gas guzzler over here in Europe."

    It's from 1982, dude. The newest it could have been from its model and my description would have been 1985. That means it's coming up quickly on being four times as old as the average vehicle in the US fleet. vehicles consume about a third of their lifetime energy consumption in production. And I have so far resisted commuting, which I can hopefully carry forwards. And it's a full size car with room for both my head and my legs even though I'm two meters tall, and it's got crumple zones and a fully high strength steel unibody - W126 does very well in crashes.

    But like I said, even though it has a stunningly reliable engine, and the transmission is still soldiering on (it's even one of if not the first automatics to let you hold the vehicle on a step hill with the throttle without potentially damaging your slush box, AND you can pull start through it) I'd rather have an ev.

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  50. Liability by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    On the one hand, I have no problem with people leaving their pets or children briefly unattended in a car with the A/C on. At the same time, making âoedog/child modeâ a feature adds liability when (not if) things go wrong, so Iâ(TM)m not sure why Tesla (or anyone else) would want to do this. The first time someoneâ(TM)s battery or A/C fails and it leads to a fatality, thereâ(TM)s going to be a public uproar and lots of negative attention.

  51. Is Elon dyslexic? by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    I was crying "God Mode! God Mode! God Mode!" out there, even at Burning Man, until I realized that I was but a voice crying out in the wilderness...

    The Musk Man might have twitted back, but being disconnected/ offline at the time, I could not receive any objections...

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  52. Re:Have the Car Babysit, by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    "Wait, it's not allowed to bring toddlers/children into bars in the US?"

    That's correct. You can bring them into a restaurant with a liquor license, but not into a bar (even with food). The distinction is, I believe, whether their income is dominated by food or alcohol. Not profit, of course, since alcohol has big margins.

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  53. Re:Rei by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Technology has moved quite a bit in a hundred years. Nothing musk has done is a new idea, he's just been more timely than others. That is valuable, however. He's still a little early on some things, but he seems to be parking those things in a fairly timely fashion.

    Timing isn't everything, but it is critical.

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  54. Remind me of... by technix4beos · · Score: 1
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  55. What's the legalese on this? by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    So when you put your car into dog ("infant") mode and it fails and your dog ("child") dies of heat exhaustion. Tesla won't claim any responsibility for this.

  56. Re:Rei by swillden · · Score: 1

    splashing you in the face with a blast of planet-saving on their way to not-the-gas station.

    You suck at everything.

    Where does the electric come from?

    Depends where you live. But even where it's mostly fossil fuels, the power generation produces less pollution per mile than an ICE does, because of the efficiencies achievable by large power plants. And, of course, electricity can be and increasingly is produced by non-polluting processes.

    That said "planet-saving" is a phrase that really rubs me the wrong way. We can neither harm nor save the planet. We can, and do, rearrange some bits of it, and impact the biosphere, but it's unlikely that we're currently capable of destroying even that. What we are doing, on the other hand, is making the planet much less pleasant for humans to live on. So it's not about saving the planet, it's about saving humanity from massive dislocation, economic destruction, and loss of life (due mostly to famine and wars, but also some to more direct effects).

    If we keep on our current course, the planet will be fine, the biosphere will recover, and even humanity will almost certainly survive. It'll just set our economic progress back by decades and make our lives very unpleasant.

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  57. Car Mode by iliketrash · · Score: 1

    Love the symmetry since dogs have at least one car mode.

  58. Re:Oh Thank You by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    The good old days...

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  59. Re:Ya so just try it by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    They'll probably let ya.. get hosed then walk out to your car with your kid and drive away... no biggie. :)

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