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Trump Administration Unveils Order To Prioritize and Promote AI (reuters.com)

U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday will sign an executive order asking federal government agencies to dedicate more resources and investment into research, promotion and training on artificial intelligence (AI), Reuters reports, citing a senior administration official said. From the report: Under the American AI Initiative, the administration will direct agencies to prioritize AI investments in research and development, increase access to federal data and models for that research and prepare workers to adapt to the era of AI. There was no specific funding announced for the initiative, the administration official said on a conference call, adding that it called for better reporting and tracking of spending on AI-related research and development. The initiative aims to make sure the United States keeps its research and development advantage in AI and related areas, such as advanced manufacturing and quantum computing. Trump, in his State of the Union speech last week, said he was willing to work with lawmakers to deliver new and important infrastructure investment, including investments in the cutting-edge industries of the future, calling it a "necessity."

128 comments

  1. Ahh I see by 110010001000 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Now I know what all the "AI" hype articles were for: grabbing taxpayer money. How original.

    1. Re: Ahh I see by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

      and to think that some people still use dial up / pen & paper.

    2. Re:Ahh I see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't know Trump had any tech buddies in AI.

      I thought Trump was universally hated in the Tech community.

    3. Re: Ahh I see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well yopu see... The US gov seems to think AI is short for Assh*le Initiatives

  2. Who's Al? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Weird Al? Al Pacino? You need to be more specific, man!

    1. Re:Who's Al? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Al shot the Serifs but he didn't shoot the style sheet.
      Slashdot, why can't we change the default font to something with some Serifs in it.
       

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    2. Re:Who's Al? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      User script? User CSS?

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    3. Re:Who's Al? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Al shot the Serifs but he didn't shoot the style sheet.
      Slashdot, why can't we change the default font to something with some Serifs in it."

      Are you crazy? Next you'll want umlauts and accents to work here as well.
      I see that you aren't exactly new here from your UID, so you should know that this will never happen, you'll have to do it yourself.

    4. Re:Who's Al? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Or even simpler, write A.I. the way it is supposed to be written, with periods after the "A" and "I". A.I. is not supposed to be an acronym.

    5. Re:Who's Al? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      User script? User CSS?

      CSS? More likely CCCP!

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  3. Jump on the buzzword bandwagon by XXongo · · Score: 1
    Great, let's jump on the buzzword bandwagon.

    I though that DT was above all that: he made his own buzzwords, instead of repeating somebody else's.

    1. Re:Jump on the buzzword bandwagon by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Nerd stuff... Whatever, sign the paper. Just don't mention that a bulk of AI research is done in China.

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    2. Re:Jump on the buzzword bandwagon by RedK · · Score: 3, Funny

      Great, let's jump on the buzzword bandwagon.
      I though that DT was above all that: he made his own buzzwords, instead of repeating somebody else's.

      - "Hey guys, I think we need to invest in AI research. From machine learning to powerful neural networks that can replicate portions of the human conscience!" says Slashdot and industry pundits alike.

      - "Good, we'll make HEWWWGE AI, Powerful AI. Thinking machines. You know they have those now ? Machines that think! It's crazy. We'll build more, they'll be better, the GREATEST artificial brains!" says President Honorary Doctor Donald J. Trump.

      - "NO ! AI is awful! ORANGE MAN BAD!" replies Slashdot and industry pundits suddenly, suffering a bout of rapid onset TDS.

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      Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
    3. Re:Jump on the buzzword bandwagon by penandpaper · · Score: 1, Insightful

      President Honorary Doctor

      His title is God Emperor and he just conquered Italy.

    4. Re:Jump on the buzzword bandwagon by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      "I though that DT was above all that: he made his own buzzwords, instead of repeating somebody else's."

      Who told you that? Lock her up, drain the swamp, and build a wall were all someone else's ideas. The only trumpism which was actually his idea was bigly.

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    5. Re:Jump on the buzzword bandwagon by gtall · · Score: 0

      For a mere Executive Order, he doesn't stress his orange brain over new buzzwords. This order has all the effect declaring that from now on, the Sun shall rise in the East and set in the West...just as long as the alt-right is okay with that.

    6. Re:Jump on the buzzword bandwagon by willaien · · Score: 1

      I mean, AI is a neutral thing. It is neither good, nor bad.

      By that, I mean, it's a tool. Whether or not it's a good thing or bad thing depends on who's using it and your point of view of the person using it. I'm somewhat uncomfortable that AIs are being trained to increase engagement on social media platforms, essentially we're training AI models and using them to make people more addicted to social media. But, at the same time, AI is also used for spam detection, fraud detection, etc.

      So, saying that you don't want the "ORANGE MAN" to have access to powerful AIs is not unreasonable if you don't like "ORANGE MAN", or mistrust what they would do with it.

    7. Re:Jump on the buzzword bandwagon by RedK · · Score: 2

      So, saying that you don't want the "ORANGE MAN" to have access to powerful AIs is not unreasonable if you don't like "ORANGE MAN", or mistrust what they would do with it.

      Look at pretty much the entirety of the comments under this post. None of it discusses "ORANGE MAN! shouldn't have access to AI because of X/Y moral dilema", all of it makes fun of him with little substance beyond "ORANGE MAN BAD!". That is full blown TDS.

      Honestly, to say you don't want "ORANGE MAN!" to have access to AI is saying you don't want government in general to use AI. Like it or not : President Trump is the POTUS. Any power he has, all Presidents have. To deny him something means denying it for all future Presidents unless you're a massive hypocrite.

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    8. Re:Jump on the buzzword bandwagon by willaien · · Score: 1

      I do believe that there should be serious discussions on when and where AI can be used by companies, individuals and the government - as well as what data that AI is allowed to use.

      A good example would be facial recognition systems. Companies keep data in facial recognition databases for their own purposes (eg. recognizing shoplifters, troublemakers, etc.). It's worth discussing the ethical implications of that, and potentially regulating the usage of this information. Same thing goes for Law Enforcement usage of such systems.

      I do not personally subscribe to the belief that all usage of AI by specific governments is inherently bad, again it's all about how it's to be used.

    9. Re:Jump on the buzzword bandwagon by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      I mean, AI is a neutral thing. It is neither good, nor bad.

      By that, I mean, it's a tool. Whether or not it's a good thing or bad thing depends on who's using it and your point of view of the person using it.

      Not only that, but the term A.I. has begun to mean so many different things that saying "I want to spend money on AI" is rather an empty statement unless you specify "what kind of AI".

      Are they looking for self-learning, are they looking for sentient machines, or are they talking about computer algorithms? Mass media has blurred exactly what is meant by A.I. now.

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    10. Re:Jump on the buzzword bandwagon by greythax · · Score: 1

      So, I am looking at the entirety of comments under this post, and it seems to be making fun of his marketing, not his intentions. At this point, not even the obligatory AC shitposters have chimed in with anything. I believe TDS is a real thing, but it only seems to effect those who feel the need to loudly defend him. Have you thought about... you know... not being a reactionary hysteric?

    11. Re:Jump on the buzzword bandwagon by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      As them what colour AI they prefer.

      I believe mauve has the most RAM.

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    12. Re:Jump on the buzzword bandwagon by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I see your bigly and raise you a covfefe.

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    13. Re: Jump on the buzzword bandwagon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you thought about not being a narcissistic dumb cunt? No, you have not.

      Try it. The rest of us will like it.

    14. Re: Jump on the buzzword bandwagon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do... You... Want... To... Play... A... Game?

      3... 2... 1...

      In a panic they tried to pull the plug! But sadly all of it was wireless and utterly portless!

    15. Re:Jump on the buzzword bandwagon by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It doesn't count if it's the result of a stroke, or getting stroked off by a porn star.

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  4. Unintended consequences by DanDD · · Score: 2

    Maybe in an upcoming election we'll have the choice of voting for an AI president, instead of other worse & universally poor options....

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    1. Re:Unintended consequences by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Maybe in an upcoming election we'll have the choice of voting for an AI president, instead of other worse & universally poor options....

      I like that idea. IBM Watson has a debater feature:

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/c...

      Let's demand that our worse & universally poor options debate against IBM Watson Debater!

      Of course, IBM will admit that Watson isn't really true AI.

      But our worse & universally poor options aren't really true presidential candidates either.

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    2. Re:Unintended consequences by DickBreath · · Score: 0

      > IBM Watson has a debater feature

      But Trump is such a master debater.

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  5. Show me the novel by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    I'm sure this idea has been novelized already: Earth is being conquered by a lone interstellar AI. Distances make sending complex life between stars impractical, but a machine is more feasible. Berserker seeds, not berserkers. Only Earth's tech won't support more AIs, so it has to guide us...

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    1. Re:Show me the novel by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Contact touched on this. "Aliens detect us, fax down plans, we suckers build the thing and blow ourselves to kingdom come."

      There's a novel where people discover a thing like a 2 foot football and, when polishing it, see it's a crystal...with creatures inside staring back.

      They can communicate and have advanced tech and all they ask is Earth make more crystals and shoot them into the stars.

      Then a second is found, slightly different, and they both warn Earth the other is a dangerous liar.

      Fun ensues.

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  6. Administration desperate for AI by Comboman · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Trump Administration is desperately seeking artificial intelligence due to the total absence of any natural intelligence.

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    1. Re:Administration desperate for AI by shanen · · Score: 1

      If I ever got a mod point to give, I'd have "invested" one in that. However, if you were looking for the uncertain state between insight and funny you would have needed something about the war between natural stupidity and artificial intelligence.

      Still not sure it applies to #PresidentTweety. I can't believe that anyone can become that stupid without a whole lot of effort. The ignorance might be natural, but it takes real effort to build such a monumental stupidity on top. Yes, some things have continued to improve, but that's only because Trump has also demonstrated incompetence in tipping over the rest of the apple carts.

      No mod for "polemic"? Actually, I'm not sure what dimensions it should get (and which ways) if MEPR was properly implemented.

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  7. Re:Uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Had the Obama administration wanted this, the Republicans would have been screaming for impeachment.

    In this era, there seems to be no middle ground. Each side seems to absolutely hate the other.

  8. Be best! by DogDude · · Score: 1

    "So we had to get very, very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. It is a huge problem. I have a son—he’s 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers. It’s unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe, it's hardly doable. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing. But that’s true throughout our whole governmental society. We have so many things that we have to do better, Lester. And certainly cyber is one of them."

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  9. EXACTLY! by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    It's us versus them. And, by US, I mean the public, versus Republicans & Democrats!

  10. Re:Uh oh by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Informative

    Now, since it is a Republican wanting this, the media, lib sites will condone it as "government spying".
    Had Obama requested this, it would be the best thing since sliced bread.

    To the contrary, when the Obama administration did announce an AI research policy... nobody paid the least bit of attention.

      hbr.org/2016/12/the-obama-administrations-roadmap-for-ai-policy

    https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2016/10/12/administrations-report-future-artificial-intelligence

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  11. Ironic by bussdriver · · Score: 2

    Automation cost more jobs in the last decade than immigrants or outsourcing and it is a trend that will continue according to UBS... who in only interested in long term investing.

    GOOD that Trump is clueless about how much of a job killer this will be; especially for his base. IT people will not like being hated more than immigrants.

    NOTE: Canada is #1 in AI because the smart people left for Canada during Bush's crimes, properly recognizing the terminal cancer in America's body politic; Trump is just a bigger tumor for those who were still ignoring the signs - the smart people should continue to emigrate. The USA is not capable to adapting to the changes that are coming; they can't even solve simple political problems already solved elsewhere.

  12. Replace Trump by AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's just replace D. Trump by AI, we'll all be better off!

    1. Re:Replace Trump by AI by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      Artificial intelligence is certainly the only kind he will ever have.

  13. US vs the DNC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    DNC -
    Support KKK member as VA gov.
    Support multiple rapist as VA Lt. gov
    Support killing live born babies, calling it abortion
    Against arresting criminals crossing border illegally
    Want public to no longer fly airplanes
    Want public to no longer eat steak
    Want to reverse tax cuts that gave unemployed jobs
    Refuse to do anything about massive drug problem coming across border
    Refuse to do anything about illegal immigration, which reduces pay in construction jobs
    Used IRS to target groups that didn't agree with their agenda
    Destroy Medicare for elderly by putting everyone on it and bankrupting it out of existence

    No, I think is us vs. the DNC at this point. I can't think of any of their other platforms that are concrete (skipping the tax everyone at 75% to pay for AGW because they haven't put in specific plans yet on that)

    1. Re:US vs the DNC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Absolute tosh.

    2. Re:US vs the DNC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why bear false witness?

    3. Re: US vs the DNC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With a quality logical and fact based response like that I have no choice but to be convinced by your powerful argument and flawless debate skills and thus vote for whatever evil Marxist control freak lying piece of trash the DNC puts up in 2020.

  14. Can AI replace whiny slashdotters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could it be... that the proposal is just fine, we're just arguing about clickbaity headlines?

    Keep in mind mathematics of resource planning was one of the vital things that won world war 2.

    Could it be that we still have, in vastly inefficient government departments, areas where optimization can and should be applied?

  15. Fear of a Bot Planet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess when you're running low on real intelligence, you have to resort to artificial.

    1. Re:Fear of a Bot Planet by bobbied · · Score: 1

      I guess when you're running low on real intelligence, you have to resort to artificial.

      Why not? It apparently works for tans....

      Ah come on... I'm making a joke, not a political statement...

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  16. Technology creates jobs by sjbe · · Score: 1, Informative

    Automation cost more jobs in the last decade than immigrants or outsourcing and it is a trend that will continue according to UBS... who in only interested in long term investing.

    A) Immigrants demonstrably do not cost jobs. The US is a nation of immigrants and always has been. If immigrants cost jobs our nation would have failed long ago. In fact immigrants are responsible for a disproportionate share of successful new companies and job creation.
    B) Automation creates jobs. This computer you are using right at this moment is nothing more than automation. Our entire technology sector did not even exist 70 years ago. The internet as we know it today simply did not exist prior to the 1990s.
    C) Outsourcing relocates work to where it is economically efficient. If a company cannot compete with local wages/talent/infrastructure then.
    D) Unemployment by any measure is consistent with historical norms. There is NO evidence of automation or immigrants or outsourcing causing an irreversible decline in employment.

    GOOD that Trump is clueless about how much of a job killer this will be; especially for his base. IT people will not like being hated more than immigrants.

    Yeah, yeah... We've been hearing this idiotic argument since the start of the industrial revolution. How every new technology is going to take away all the jobs. It was industrial robots when I was young. Guess what? It's always wrong. Every time it results in MORE jobs, not less. The jobs are different jobs but there are more of them in the end. Some people do have trouble with the changes but the economic gains by people at all levels of the economy at the end are indisputable.

    Canada is #1 in AI because the smart people left for Canada during Bush's crimes

    That's a nice little made up lie. No evidence of any mass exodus from the US to Canada in the last 20 years nor has the rate of emigration from the US to Canada changed dramatically.

    1. Re:Technology creates jobs by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      " The jobs are different jobs but there are more of them in the end. Some people do have trouble with the changes but the economic gains by people at all levels of the economy at the end are indisputable."

      I agree with the rest of your comment, but I think crystal balls are cloudy in this area. The computers are now becoming capable of performing service jobs, which is where people went when automation reduced manufacturing jobs. As well, the workers' share of profits has been declining for decades, and wages aren't keeping up with inflation, so that final point is extremely disputable.

      What exactly do the humans do when robots do the service jobs?

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    2. Re:Technology creates jobs by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It'd be more accurate to say automation creates some jobs and destroys others. For example "computer" used to be a human job title. Large companies before computers employed massive accounting departments, the majority of people in them were responsible for performing and checking arithmetic all day.

      Introducing computers eliminated the jobs where you add up columns of numbers, but it allowed the creation of new jobs analyzing data. AI has the promise to replace some analytical jobs in the future, and it is likely in the short term that as computers take over the low hanging fruit, those analysts will be focused on tasks computers aren't good at yet. However you shouldn't expect that trend to continue indefinitely.

      You can't just draw a straight line across a past trend and extrapolate it indefinitely. There are step discontinuities and changing circumstances in the future. One of the concerns you should have is the growing trend of income stagnation. This has effected people in the lower two income quartiles since the 80s, as median income has shown no growth at all even as *average* income has continued it's steady post WW2 rise. It's clear that the new, higher paying jobs created don't always go to the people losing jobs, and as automation gets more sophisticated we're going to see the line of stagnation rise higher up the social strata.

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    3. Re:Technology creates jobs by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      What exactly do the humans do when robots do the service jobs?

      Learn to code?

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    4. Re: Technology creates jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is, most of those immigrants starting companies and creating jobs come from Europe and Asia. Most of our current immigrants are coming from South America and Africa.

  17. how about robotics as well? by WindBourne · · Score: 2

    Seriously, Robotics, AI, and Space are exactly where we need major pushes.

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    1. Re:how about robotics as well? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely you meant to say: "Health care and public infrastructure and clean renewable Energy are exactly where we need major pushes".

    2. Re:how about robotics as well? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Health care is about insurance and competition. No R&D will help there.
      Infrastructure is about funding that the GOP is afraid to do, and the dems are too stupid to figure out their golden opportunities are NOW.
      And what is needed is CLEAN energy. Germany has shown that LOTS of renewable is financially foolish.

      So, nope. Robotics, AI and Space (and maybe proper funding for Nuclear and Geothermal).

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  18. Candidates aren't universally poor, your judgement by bit+trollent · · Score: 0

    Candidates aren't universally poor, your judgement is. Maybe you should spend some time educating yourself on the vast differences between the candidates you clearly know nothing about.

    It's slightly more difficult than your idiotic "both sides are bad" claims, but at least you won't be a tool of the political consultants who cover our eyes with a shroud of ignorant bothsiderism.

  19. sjbe the KKK Supporter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sjbe, the KKK supporter, posts link about immigrants creating companies. Fails to understand difference between legal and illegal immigration.

    Illegal immigrants have put many US workers out of construction or lowered wages significantly. But sbje, who supports KKK member Northam of VA, doesn't care about them because they are "deplorable" and probably didn't vote for Hillary (who's Senate mentor was Robert Byrd, KKK leader).

    Sad
    If you can't tell, I'm pretty much tired of leftists calling me racist while supporting outright KKK members/leaders.

  20. Beast made image speak, and kill all don't worship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.

    Mystery Red of the Great American Eclipse
    It has blood on it!
    ABCNews: Eclipse makes pendulum wander
    Losing my religion

  21. artificial insemination by epine · · Score: 2

    I don't know if artificial insemination would lead to fewer clandestine arrangements with David Pecker or not.

    Sure hope the president was fully apprised, or he might discover to his chagrin that AI is not the end all it's cracked up to be.

  22. AI Certified Software? by Drethon · · Score: 1

    So in aviation, and I think similar in medical, we have to prove that our tests cover a sufficient amount of the code to show it is astonishingly rare to have the code do something it shouldn't. How practical is this kind of testing with AI systems?

    1. Re:AI Certified Software? by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      Since an AI is effectively a magical black box, that kind of testing isn't really practical at all. It would more than likely have to go through some kind of examination process like we do for people who work in important jobs.

  23. Re:You could just show up at your primary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since I was able to vote, I have been, I've been voting for the person who best represents me, and voting in primaries (I have yet to see a libertarian win however). However, our system is broken. We need a different method of voting, liked preferential etc. As it stands, 'parties' are the inevitable outcome of first past the post.

  24. Re:Uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the truth.

  25. Re:Uh oh by ranton · · Score: 1

    Now, since it is a Republican wanting this, the media, lib sites will condone it as "government spying".
    Had Obama requested this, it would be the best thing since sliced bread.

    As one of those liberals who hates most of Trump's signature agendas, the only thing I dislike about this is there is no actual money here. Just a request for federal agencies to divert their existing funds into AI research. It's really a do nothing gesture. No news of any detailed reports coming out of any subcommittees like you had on AI research in the last year of the Obama presidency. No news of adding a billion in funding each year, or something like that.

    There really isn't anything to hate on here, or to like, because there just isn't anything of substance there.

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  26. Re:Uh oh by ranton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who would have thought that the only President in modern times to use direct hatred and vitriol as his core platform would engender a negative emotional response from those he attacks? It doesn't make it right to dismiss everything the President says, but it takes a particularly strong person to look past Trump's demeanor to give him the benefit of the doubt on anything he says (unless they agree with his platform, which doesn't take any strength at all).

    When 90% of what someone says is hateful and ignorant garbage, anyone should be forgiven for writing off the other 10% too just for convenience sake. Most people have better things to do.

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  27. See the irony here? by Spinlock_1977 · · Score: 0

    Does he know what intelligence is? Artificial or otherwise?

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    1. Re:See the irony here? by gtall · · Score: 1

      Sure he does. He claims that nuclear power is so advanced you need to be Einstein to understand it. Hence he wanted the Navy to jettison the new electric catapults for launching planes off air craft carriers and replace them with the old steam powered catapults. That's some fancy intelligence right there. I just hope some advisor doesn't get a woodie for sails.

    2. Re:See the irony here? by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      Hence he wanted the Navy to jettison the new electric catapults for launching planes off air craft carriers and replace them with the old steam powered catapults.

      Maybe he thought the steam powered catapults used coal?

    3. Re:See the irony here? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 0

      replace them with the old steam powered catapults.

      ... with the steam generated by burning naturally clean coal. Progress, Republican style.

  28. Donalds AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't believe in climate change or social projects, does believe in Birtherism, PizzaGate, and that DT knows more about everything than anybody.... ya, this is going go over real well.

  29. Re:Uh oh by bobbied · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To be fair.... These type of gotcha "man on the street" interviews are very self serving to the interviewer's position.

    There are a pile of folks who whish to believe they are "in the know" and it's not hard to find somebody who *thinks* they are more knowledgeable than they really are. Such "I know everything" is common among college age people, who have still not completely developed their adult mental capacity and still have the adolescent tendencies. It's an age and maturity thing.

    I remember when I was younger, I knew a lot more then than I know now, at least in my estimates. I grew up, realized my knowledge is limited, and my attitudes changed quite a bit, listening more, being slower to answer, and prone to actually looking up the facts for myself before running off my mouth on stuff I don't know anything about.

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  30. Any Intelligence by prefec2 · · Score: 1

    They are looking for any intelligence in the government. This is nowadays a complex undertaking. You need very sensitive equipment to measure that. Also artificial intelligence would be helpful to supplement natural intelligence.

  31. Automation will not elminiate all jobs by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree with the rest of your comment, but I think crystal balls are cloudy in this area. The computers are now becoming capable of performing service jobs, which is where people went when automation reduced manufacturing jobs.

    I work in manufacturing. Manufacturing jobs have not been reduced the way many people think. Some have been relocated. There are more manufacturing jobs than ever globally. What has changed in the US is that labor intensive products are not built in countries with low labor costs. Capital intensive products are built in the US. The US has a $3 Trillion manufacturing sector. The total number of manufacturing jobs in the US is about the same as it was at the start of WWII. It's down from the peak numbers in the 1970s but still accounts for around 13 million people and holding. The percent of the jobs in the economy has fallen but that's largely because the other sectors grew while manufacturing jobs stayed steady.

    As well, the workers' share of profits has been declining for decades, and wages aren't keeping up with inflation, so that final point is extremely disputable.

    That depends on exactly how you measure it and which jobs you are measuring. Just because someone has a smaller piece of the pie doesn't mean they are worse off if the pie overall grew. And the evidence is clear that the pie has grown. Sure you can find some periods where the data shows a decline but I can show you hundreds of years of data showing a very steady increase. Yes there are some serious income inequality issues going on but that isn't proof of some irreversible decline in employment thanks to automation. Don't conflate the two issues.

    What exactly do the humans do when robots do the service jobs?

    Several answers to that.
    1) Robots do not and will not do all the service jobs. Automation does not solve every problem because it is not economical to automate everywhere. People naively extrapolate automation trends to infinity without really understanding what is going on. It's too expensive to automate problem and automation creates new jobs that cannot yet be automated. 70 years ago secretarial pools were a common thing. Today they are unheard of and yet we still have full employment.
    2) We have no idea what jobs will be created by further advances in automation. We never have known and cannot know. I'm old enough to pre-date the internet and if anyone claims they predicted what it would do and the huge economic impact it has had is lying. We dreamed about such things but had absolutely no idea what form it would actually take or what jobs it would involve. The jobs people will be doing in 50 years are hard to imagine today. Some will be the same but many haven't even been invented yet.
    3) Humans control legislatures and can easily regulate automation in places should it become necessary.
    4) The amount of economically valuable work that can be done is effectively infinite and our resources to automate are finite. Automation can sometimes depress wages but it doesn't eliminate them altogether. Some things that are currently impossible become economically achievable as automation makes it possible for people to address those problems.

    1. Re:Automation will not elminiate all jobs by Walter+White · · Score: 1

      > What has changed in the US is that labor intensive products are not built in countries with low labor costs.

      I'm pretty sure you meant "... are now built in countries ..." Not so subtle difference in meaning. ;)

      Pretty interesting comments about the status of manufacturing in the US. I suspect you are correct.

      > 3) Humans control legislatures and can easily regulate automation in places should it become necessary.

      I'd be concerned about that, particularly in light of the previous answer. Legislatures are more likely to develop rules based on vested interests than try to understand what will benefit the population as a whole.

    2. Re:Automation will not elminiate all jobs by greythax · · Score: 2

      Pretty much this entire post supposes that you know the limit of future automation technology. It may not be soon, but there may well be cheap programs in the future that can take over pretty much everything a human is good at. Amazon echo is a crude first step in eliminating a huge number of those service jobs to which you refer. The cost of technology has a very consistent pattern of coming down. The power and versatility of technology has a very consistent trend of increasing.

      Human capability, however, does not. Automation only has to surpass your personal capabilities in all of your realistic career options. Let's assume that a computer will never write good enough music to fill a concert, or be funny enough to host a talk show (which I wouldn't automatically assume as a given), are you capable of doing those things? Even if you are, is everyone else? There will almost certainly come a day in which there is no task that a human can perform as capably, efficiently, and consistently as a computer.

      Which brings us to the very real possibility that we will all, some day soon, be unemployable. Now as you say, we can "fix" that through legislation, but how long before people figure out that they could free themselves from work altogether if we adopt a new social order?

    3. Re:Automation will not elminiate all jobs by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Today they are unheard of and yet we still have full employment.

      What? Who told you that?

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    4. Re:Automation will not elminiate all jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, the problem with your "if the pie overall grew" analogy, is that with the ongoing collapse of world ecosystems, the pie soon won't be growing at all but dramatically shrinking. This is already evident in crop yields and fisheries and its only going to get a lot worse from here as people fail to prioritize environmental conservation and instead prioritize profits over ecological sustainability.

  32. No Human Intelligence wants Artificial Intelligenc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course Trump wants to develop artificial intelligence -- he has no natural intelligence.

    When the piper you follow is a moron... all you'll get is stupider.

    Steph

  33. Now that Trump is for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now all of slashdot will pretend they haven't been fear mongering about it, it's all good now!

  34. Re:Candidates aren't universally poor, your judgem by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Give us all a good laugh and name one candidate from the last election, or any potential candidate for the4 upcoming election, that is not a poor choice.

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  35. Re:Uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It would have been since Obama's intent is different. There's been several cases where Trump has proposed the same thing as Obama, but the media correctly attacked him because he does things for the wrong reasons.

  36. Re:You could just show up at your primary by nwaack · · Score: 1

    Not really. My primary isn't until most of the other primaries have already happened. By that time the candidates have basically already been decided. So yeah, unless your state's primary is in February or March, you're screwed by the crappy choices the Super Tuesday states make.

  37. AI? by Creedo · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'd settle for some sign of HI (Human Intelligence) from this administration.

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    1. Re:AI? by Pitawg · · Score: 1

      That is no way to talk. We totally need Alternative Intelligence to be a priority right now.

  38. Immigrants may not cost jobs by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    but they can and will lower pay in many industries. That's just supply and demand. It's a double edge sword.

    Automation does _not_ create jobs. Instead new jobs are created to replace the jobs that were destroyed. This is not the same thing. And it's a slower process than folks realize.

    Outsourcing doesn't send work where it's efficient, it sends it where it's _cheapest_. This is why you have tariffs. You need to level the playing field when another country is willing to abuse it's workforce or you end up in a race to the bottom.

    Unemployment figures have been cooked by counting gig economy and temp workers as fully employed. This trend was massively accelerated post 2008 when the economy crashed and the recovery went to the top 1%.

    There were decades of unemployment, wars and social strife during and following the industrial revolution. Wars cut down on the excess population and the instability prevented factories from outsourcing. That lead to a golden age of high wages in some countries when the Unions gained enough leverage to demand good pay. Outsourcing and legal changes killed the Unions and with it wages.

    GP is trolling (that Canada point is nonsense) but it's mostly out of frustration. We need a New New Deal in this country. The ruling class has reneged on the old one.

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  39. Made in China 2025 by hackingbear · · Score: 1

    The US is accusing China of state-sponsored hi-tech push, while the US pirates their policy. Another example of American hypocrisy.

  40. Re:Uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, the threshold is lower, about 10% when you get to the Presidency.

    It just isn't safe to let that much trouble in the White House. Of course, to get in my house, it is 2-3% unless you're an in law.

  41. Re:You could just show up at your primary by chuckugly · · Score: 1

    Wish I had mod points today. Mod parent up.

  42. I should add by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Informative

    the solution isn't necessarily to stop immigration. The solution is to make sure that the wealth immigrants generate makes it to everyone.

    Right now the money made from immigration goes to the top. At least in America. We don't have Single Payer healthcare, we have very few social services and we pay taxes that, if you count your company's healthcare as a tax (and you should, what else would you call it) we pay as much or more as anyone on Europe.

    A huge part of the tension from immigration isn't just the occasional racist, it's that immigrants lower wages by increasing supply while improving a sector of the economy (the stock market) that doesn't affect the people who's wages are going down. Remember, only about 20% of Americans own stock, even if you include 401ks as "owning stock"....

    This is why we need a New New Deal.

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    1. Re:I should add by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why you need strong, non-racist unions, who will make sure it is no less expensive for an employer to hire immigrants than to hire locals.

  43. Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    coming from an administration who has shown total disregard for actual intelligence, what use do they think they'd have for artificial intelligence?

    Probably trying to funnel more tax money to some friend of his.

  44. Re:Uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm just shocked a Republican President is supporting any kind of real science- usually they only want research on better ways to stick your head in the sand.

  45. Wow... by chaboud · · Score: 1

    Amazing. Now we can finally start working on this AI thing. I was getting worried.

  46. Trump hype resistant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes! I was hoping he'd be resistant to the hyped stuff in DC, like One Belt, One Road. Having a Digital Infrastructure, and the AI hype. Wrong.

  47. Re:Candidates aren't universally poor, your judgem by bit+trollent · · Score: 3, Funny

    Last election:
    Beto O'Rourke
    Colin Allread
    My local mayor, majority of city council
    Nancy Pelosi

    2016:
    Hillary Clinton, who won the popular vote, was prepared for the presidency and was not a Russian owned traitor.

    Next Election:
    Hopefully Beto
    Cory Booker
    All candidates who see the GOP Tax cut for the wealthy / tax increase for the middle class for what it is.

  48. One thing is for sure about this: by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    Any so-called 'AI' that is developed because of this 'prioritization' will be smarter than Trump himself is by at least a full order of magnitude.
    For purposes of contrast, a 'Trump AI' could easily be implemented in an interpreted BASIC version of ELIZA.

  49. As I deal more and more with tech industry fails.. by 3seas · · Score: 1

    ...on a daily basis, I cannot deny realizing the damage AI is going to cause. The AI sales pitches are no different than teh sales pitches of computing when computers were first introduced to the public and that is enough to know, the AI fails are going to follow.

  50. The bar for AI will be set very low by Miles_O'Toole · · Score: 0

    I can see this working out well for the Trump administration, with changes for the better occurring almost right away. After all, I've got a microwave oven that has a ten-point IQ advantage on the current president.

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    1. Re:The bar for AI will be set very low by Locke2005 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's nothing, my dog has a 30 point IQ advantage on the dotard! Too bad she's not old enough to run for president!

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  51. OMG that list, dying by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Beto O'Rourke

    You mean good ol' Hit and Rourke?? They guy who literally changed his name to try and appear a tiny bit hispanic???

    I'll just leave that there and not the rest pop them are worse. Much, much worse...

    Sad that you are so blinded by partisanship you cannot see the enormous flaws of every single person you list, to the point I would not trust any of them five minutes alone with a living being I cared about much. Or my wallet.

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    1. Re:OMG that list, dying by bit+trollent · · Score: 1

      The worst thing you can say about Beto is that he had a car accident while drunk decades ago, and that his life long nickname would imply that he speaks Spanish fluently, which he and his family do.

      Sounds pretty go good to me, if the worst thing you can say about him is minor petty bullshit.

      But then I know, you aren't able to distinguish between a drunk car crash and treasonous collusion with a hostile foreign adversary's attack on our country. They're all bad, amirite?

      I'm sure the rest of your criticism are equally petty and minor so I'll leave you to wallow your pit of gullible bothsiderism...

    2. Re:OMG that list, dying by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      They're ALL flawed. Even wanting to be elected could be considered a flaw. The goal of the voter is to decide who can do the job best despite their flaws. You can compare the flaws, some minor that won't get in the way of doing a job no matter how funny they are, or flaws that will seriously impact the job.

    3. Re: OMG that list, dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "you aren't able to distinguish between a drunk car crash and treasonous collusion with a hostile foreign adversary's attack on our country."

      Oh, I can distinguish just fine.
      Car crash: actually happened; a fact.
      Collusion: bullshit leftist scheme to perpetually look backward rather than forward by people afflicted with TDS.

    4. Re: OMG that list, dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's check in with Moscow Donald's close associates:

      Campaign manager - in prison
      Personal Lawyer - heading to prison, having plead guilty ...and dozens more indictments of his campaign operation for crimes related to his treasonous collusion with Russia's attack on America.

      I guess that means you are full of shit, and carrying water for history's most obvious traitor.

    5. Re: OMG that list, dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please tell us EXACTLY what statute Trump violated that will put him in prison.

      Your Marxist professors and Daily Kos for some strange reason failed to tell you that there is no such crime as collusion. But dont believe me. Go look it up yourself. No statute anywhere in this country covers the faux-crime of collusion.

  52. Re:Uh oh by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    There really isn't anything to hate on here, or to like, because there just isn't anything of substance there.

    Not only that, but it would take several years to get anything of substance going. It's not going to be Trump deciding how to use any potential "AI", it will be his successor, and we've no idea who that will be, or which party they will be representing.

    Whether to use or abuse any AI, if any came out of this, wouldn't even be Trump's decision.

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  53. Re:You could just show up at your primary by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    This is only because the candidates wimp out and concede early, or the voters are dumb enough that they just go with a frontrunner, or assume that their vote won't matter. Plus, this is only for president which arguably should be the least important ballot choice on election day.

  54. Finally! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    They are finally giving Al Gore the credit he deserves for inventing the internet! Oh wait... I might have misread one of those letters...

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  55. short on the other kind by mad7777 · · Score: 1

    When the government is so desperately short on the natural variety, I'll vote for artificial intelligence every time.

    Colossus 2020!!!
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0...

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  56. Re: Uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Choom gang Obama?

  57. Re:Uh oh by ranton · · Score: 1

    Whether to use or abuse any AI, if any came out of this, wouldn't even be Trump's decision.

    Although Trump still gives us an idea of who the US electorate is willing to put in charge of the executive branch. And Trump is the devil we know; who knows how bad it could actually get. That should give everyone reason for concern long after Trump leaves office.

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  58. Re:Uh oh by ranton · · Score: 1

    His approval ratings are higher than Obama.

    Which says something very unfortunate about the 40% of Americans approving of his leadership.

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  59. Not having any intelligence of their own by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For this administration, AI is essential. They have so little of their own.

  60. Re:Uh oh by Weirsbaski · · Score: 1

    There are a pile of folks who whish to believe they are "in the know" and it's not hard to find somebody who *thinks* they are more knowledgeable than they really are. Such "I know everything" is common among college age people, who have still not completely developed their adult mental capacity and still have the adolescent tendencies. It's an age and maturity thing.

    That attitude isn't just a college-age thing, for example there's this guy who thinks he knows everything about everything: https://www.axios.com/everythi... . I see the age, still waiting on the maturity. Sigh.

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  61. Re:Uh oh by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    it will be his successor, and we've no idea who that will be,

    Barron or Ivanka, depending on how long the bastard survives.

    or which party they will be representing.

    Why do you think there'll still be parties? Aren't they only relevant for elections?

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  62. Re: You could just show up at your primary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you want the losers running at 1-5% to stay in and run with what money?

    Sigh... idiot. They drop out BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO SUPPORT!!! Which means no money.

  63. Re:I support this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are a pedophile. It requires no proof because it is self-evident. Stop molesting children you faggoty pedophile! Turn yourself in to the police. Get help. You need to stop abusing and molesting children. It's bad! M'Kay?

    the pathetic living punchline that is impersonating gerald butler

  64. Re:Uh oh by bobbied · · Score: 1

    True, it is not unique to college age kids. It's just more common to that age due to the normal development of the human brain. I too have run into older adults who think they know everything when they obviously don't. It just becomes less and less common as age goes up.

    Of course, some professions attract these "I know it all, my opinion trumps any facts" people. I'm thinking of politicians, who often think they just happen to *know* something about everything and cannot keep themselves from addressing "the issues" even if they've not versed in even the rudimentary understanding of the subject.

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  65. new branch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We now need a new branch of military dubbed "AI FORCE".

  66. Re:Uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it takes a particularly strong person to look past Trump's demeanor to give him the benefit of the doubt on anything he says

    Posts like yours make me appreciate that we are a democratic republic rather than a pure democracy. Long term satisfaction is in the contents, not the packaging.

    When 90% of what someone says is hateful and ignorant garbage, anyone should be forgiven for writing off the other 10% too just for convenience sake. Most people have better things to do.

    No one spouts 90% hateful BS. Evaluate your sources.

  67. Re:You could just show up at your primary by Powercntrl · · Score: 1

    (I have yet to see a libertarian win however)

    Libertarianism's problem is that those who can't pull themselves up by their own bootstraps are going to support candidates who lean more socialist, and those who got theirs (or those who are temporarily embarrassed millionaires*) are well served by the conservative candidates.

    * Yeah, I realize it's a fallacy. It seems more likely the "have nots" who vote Republican do so because they feel they work very hard for the little bit they do earn, and don't like the idea that "deadbeats" are getting money for being lazy.

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  68. Alternative Intelligence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alternative Intelligence? Is that where you shoot yourself in the foot repeatedly, because it feels so good when you stop?

    I think it might be!