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China and India Lead the Way in Greening (nasa.gov)
hackingbear writes: The world is literally a greener place than it was twenty years ago, and data from NASA satellites has revealed a counterintuitive source for much of this new foliage. A new study shows that China and India -- the world's most populous countries -- are leading the increase in greening on land. The effect comes mostly from ambitious tree-planting programs in China and intensive agriculture in both countries. Ranga Myneni of Boston University and colleagues first detected the greening phenomenon in satellite data from the mid-1990s, but they did not know whether human activity was a chief cause. The research team found that global green leaf area has increased by 5 percent since the early 2000s, an area equivalent to all of the Amazon rainforests. At least 25 percent of that gain came in China. "China and India account for one-third of the greening, but contain only 9 percent of the planet's land area covered in vegetation," said lead author Chi Chen of Boston University. "That is a surprising finding, considering the general notion of land degradation in populous countries from overexploitation." China's outsized contribution to the global greening trend comes in large part from its programs to conserve and expand forests (about 42 percent of the greening contribution). These programs were developed in an effort to reduce the effects of soil erosion, air pollution, and climate change.
USA leads in climate change denial. Take that, nature!
The largest net air polluters are planting things. How quaint.
I can't imagine that sits well with them.
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It's like everywhere else has recognized that the cost of deploying renewables are now cheaper than their equivalent fossil fuels counterparts.
It makes more economic sense to be green than it does to be dirty...
The article is about literal greening of areas of course, but the underlying reason is similar.
high co2 content good for trees...
They are not leading, they are behind.
We wont see additional greening in western countries because we already did it.
This is a case of seeing China and India so far behind that they thought they were in first.
China is reclaiming desert with grid plantings.
My understanding is that the USA has at least as many forested acres as ever, but a lot less biomass, and a lot of dead trees. Old growth is taller so it slows wind down more, and it's also more massive so it fixes more carbon. (Trees only grow from a thin layer beneath the bark, and the rate of growth is limited by photosynthesis, with larger trees able to do more of it because they have more leaf area with which to receive insolation.)
Is there a biomass index?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
...as the United States currently has in total.
For greening, take a look at the natural reforestation that has occurred in New England over the last century.
Want to help the environment? Capitalism works. Socialism doesn't.
"The cost of electricity on Thursday in two states of Australia reached a tally of $932 million dollars for a single day of electricity."
We have absolutely got to do something about climate change. Most of what we've got to do would also make the world a lot better in sundry other ways.
If we helped the landscape keep multiple stories of vegetation, and worked out ways to scale orchards designed the same way, it would make for great resistance to drought and a stable food supply, and over time, correct for this spike in greenhouse gasses.
Entire horticultural and early agriculture civilizations have been founded not on controlling the landscape's entire harvest, but on enriching it and reaping the surplus. In this way of life, economy and environment are not at all at odds. In fact, they are interdependent. You can look at terra preta and its history in the Amazon basin for an example of a long-term, large-scale win-win scenario. http://news.cornell.edu/storie...
If you want to see what is happening in China, watch this video, "The Lessons of the Loess Plateau": https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Even if you don't exactly agree with *how* they got it done, the results for the landscape and the prosperity of the people there speak for themselves. Start asking how your local economic and political systems can start to do right by the soil too.
If we're serious about building Trantor, this is exactly the WRONG WAY to go.
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"These programs were developed in an effort to reduce the effects of soil erosion, air pollution, and climate change.", of which these two countries are among the top culprits globally!
And since this is a hot topic recently - https://www.wsj.com/articles/which-countries-create-the-most-ocean-trash-1423767676
Why is dependent a possessive of China in your title?
In astroturf.
Deforestation in India is so bad that the water in the rivers was all drying up. The underground water went from an average of 50 feet down to 1200 feet down. This is happening all over the world. At least Sadhguru in India exposed the long term issues and has planted over 22 million trees to try and stop it. No water means little to no life, certainly no human life. In other countries they act like it does not matter, as long as their pockets are full today there is no tomorrow to their greed.
Stop lying. The Chinese government is deliberately destroyed competition for solar panel production by dumping on the market. Renewables that are cheaper were already being done, and done without subsidies.
We have Brazil clear cutting their forest so as to supply Europe with Beef, and CHina with exotic woods.
Then we have the west which has already done a number on our forest and are not replanting fast enough.
So, it is good to actually see both China and India showing the rest of the world what needs to happen.
It will not help that much with the CO2, but it will help absorb pollution, etc.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
I'll be kind and assume this is a genuine question and not sarcasm.
It is not a possessive apostrophe-s, it is a contraction of "China is".
In English you can use contractions to shorten a word by removing one letter or more and substituting an apostrophe in the same spot. For example, chop wi out of "I will", throw in an apostrophe, and you have I’ll. The resulting word is shorter and faster to say, with only one syllable (sound) instead of two. Similarly, she would becomes she’d and he is becomes he's.
The problem is that China has basically destroyed large segments of it's barrier islands and wetlands that absorb storm damage, so expect to read in a few years about how much damage has dramatically increased in China from storms, that otherwise would have not caused major calamities.
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uh, you really should be paying attention to our food. Have you wondered why our Apple Juice, honey, V8 juice now contains high levels of Lead, Mercury, Pesticides (even in ones that are marked organic ), fungicides, herbicides, etc, amongst other pollutants? Yeah. Got news for you. THis is the FASTEST way to figure out where our food is coming from.
Have you looked at our fish? It is not only mislabeled, but also loaded with all sorts of items that are not found in Alaska. That Salmon and 'Alaskan Cod' is showing up with a lot more mercury, and other pollutants than what the American ships pull in.
How about Dog/Cat food? Have you wondered why dogs are dying and it is being blamed on the food? It is because far too many ingredients come from CHina. We buy Merick since they promise to NEVER allow ingredients from China into their food.
DO NOT get me started on the FUCKING CHICKEN that KFC and Chick-fil-a sell. Yeah. These dirt bags are buying it processed in China while lying about it. So does Safeway. And that is just the ones that some of my microbio old classmates told me about.
Our food chain used to the the gem of the world back in the 40-70s. Come reagan, it started downwards because he gutted the inspectors, and with W and O, it went down even further . Our food chain has become a joke. It is above CHina's, but increasingly, not by much.
At least over there, they still shoot ppl for putting in poisons into their foods. In America, we call it entrepreneurial.
Fuck, Blue Buffalo still is adding ingredients from China, while lying through their fucking teeth.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
The USA is reducing carbon emissions, going down year on year.
China and India...increasing.
Renewable energy (also known as unreliable intermittent power) is not base load, is is not cheaper than fossil fuel generated power, which is base load power.
Where do you get power at night and when the wind is not blowing.
Don's say batteries, because when you add that cost in, it is way more expensive.
Germany, leader in adding wind and solar has NOT reduced their carbon emissions because they still need coal plants as back-up. And they have some of the most expensive power in the world, and Europe. So, renewable is NOT cheaper.
The man single-handedly planted a 550 hectare forest over a period of 30 years which, oddly enough, brought back animals and even a stream to the barren land.
He has gone on to plant another 150 hectares of land nearby.
In 2016, India planted 50 million trees (saplings of various types) as part of its deal with the Paris Climate Accord.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
It's not global warming that's happening, it's global greening.
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China. As they continue to burn coal for heat in homes.
I think there was an article on slashdot, not long ago, about 97% of ocean plastics coming from Africa and China?
Is that "green?"
Some animals China is driving into extinction:
- vaquita
- pangolin
- elephants
- rhinoceros
Several others.
Little Seizures pizza is made from Chinese ingredients, too.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Per recent review: As seen by NASA, the world is getting greener due to expansion of silviculture and intensive agriculture. China and Indiaâ"the worldâ(TM)s most populous countriesâ"are leading the increase in greening on land. The greening is anthropogenic, due to fossil-fueled industrial agriculture. Global green leaf area has increased by 5 percent since the early 2000s [arid land when irrigated turns green until ground water is exhausted or there is no fuel for pumping], an area equivalent to all of the Amazon rainforests. One-third of Earthâ(TM)s vegetated lands are greening, while only 5 percent are growing browner. Anthropocene enthusiasts and ecomodernists, like me, rejoice. Chinaâ(TM)s outsized contribution to the global greening trend comes from its programs to conserve and expand forests [aka tree farms] to produce future wood products (and incidentally reduce the effects of soil erosion, air pollution, and climate change) as well as intensification of irrigated agriculture in order to feed their large populations [for a time] using multiple cropping practices that have increased food production 35 to 40 percent since 2000 by turning fossil fuel into food to grow the economy. One interpretation of the data: âoeOnce people realize there is a problem, they tend to fix it... Humans are incredibly resilient.Thatâ(TM)s what we see in the satellite data.â Humans are fixing the world! Data needs to be interpreted, however. The interpretation is provided by the journal Nature Sustainability (pay-walled article, Feb. 2019, in pay-to-play journal launched Jan. 2018), and is one interpretation (reviewed on NASA Earth Observatory). Caveat emptor. http://www.sustainable.soltechdesigns.com/index.html#eps3
really?
If so, thanx. I will avoid them.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Please link evidence that shows Chick-fil-a get's chicken from anywhere outside the U.S. I googled, and find nothing to support that.
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as always.
You gullible old fools will believe anything you hear. Pity there are so many others who will now do the same thing with your lies, and repeat them to the next group of gullible fools.
It's not GDP that pollutes, what idiot told you that?
Measuring GDP in US$ is pointless masturbation anyway, it's what the countries do not how much money it costs to do it. PPP China's GDP is already higher. But it's still irrelevant, people consume things, and that's what causes the pollution.
Americans just consume and pollute much more than other countries. It's a simple fact. Your total pollution may be smaller than some bigger countries, just like your totals may be bigger than some tiny countries. It's just more things for you to hide behind.
Person for person, America is about the absolute worst, not the worst, but close. China and Europe are much better than you are, India puts you all to shame. But then you have to shit in the streets and have no standard of living comparable to the other mentioned countries.
Don't you ever get sick of all those lies WindBourne?
China even now is less than half your per capita emissions. America is the one who is clearly getting worse as the numbers show. Despite being way out in front on the scale of most polluting countries, America wants to increase it's lead further, all the while apologists like you continue to blame other countries at half of or a 10th your levels.
Like others have mentioned (and I asked you numerous times) Why is America higher than the vatican? When will you drop down to Canada's total? If all you seem to care about is totals and not levels per person. (where it matters).
30 years in the wrong direction, but they are still less than half your per person emissions...
Either they used to be extremely clean, or you extremely dirty...
Maybe in another 30 years, the US can be as clean as China.
It's not a mixture, it's in their name !!
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They must be coming of a very low base if they are less than half Americas per person after yearly increases for 30 years...
As you keep telling us, America is entitled to pollute so much because they have been doing it longer (30 years) and are already used to being high polluters.
No other country is allowed to develop, only you can be so bad because 'reasons'.
If China is "already above the level they need to be"
How do you continue to justify America being twice as high as China and with a service based economy that should be much less CO2 reliant?
You really don't understand at all do you, you just troll here day in day out on any topic that comes up.
When they are twice as clean as you?
How about you drop down to their per person levels before complaining like the entitled whiny bitch you are.