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The Internet, Divided Between the US and China, Has Become a Battleground (wsj.com)
The global internet is splitting in two. From a report: One side, championed in China, is a digital landscape where mobile payments have replaced cash. Smartphones are the devices that matter, and users can shop, chat, bank and surf the web with one app. The downsides: The government reigns absolute, and it is watching -- you may have to communicate with friends in code. And don't expect to access Google or Facebook.
On the other side, in much of the world, the internet is open to all. Users can say what they want, mostly, and web developers can roll out pretty much anything. People accustomed to China's version complain this other internet can seem clunky. You must toggle among apps to chat, shop, bank and surf the web. Some websites still don't seem to be designed with smartphones in mind. The two zones are beginning to clash with the advent of the superfast new generation of mobile technology called 5G.
China aims to be the biggest provider of gear underlying the networks, and along with that it is pushing client countries to adopt its approach to the web -- essentially urging some to use versions of the "Great Firewall" that Beijing uses to control its internet and contain the West's influence. Battles are popping up around the world as Chinese tech giants try to use their market power at home to expand abroad, something they've largely failed to do so far. Some Silicon Valley executives worry the divergence risks giving Chinese companies an advantage in new technologies such as artificial intelligence, partly because they face fewer restrictions over privacy and data protection. Further reading: Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt Predicts the Internet Will Split in Two By 2028 -- and One Part Will Be Led By China.
On the other side, in much of the world, the internet is open to all. Users can say what they want, mostly, and web developers can roll out pretty much anything. People accustomed to China's version complain this other internet can seem clunky. You must toggle among apps to chat, shop, bank and surf the web. Some websites still don't seem to be designed with smartphones in mind. The two zones are beginning to clash with the advent of the superfast new generation of mobile technology called 5G.
China aims to be the biggest provider of gear underlying the networks, and along with that it is pushing client countries to adopt its approach to the web -- essentially urging some to use versions of the "Great Firewall" that Beijing uses to control its internet and contain the West's influence. Battles are popping up around the world as Chinese tech giants try to use their market power at home to expand abroad, something they've largely failed to do so far. Some Silicon Valley executives worry the divergence risks giving Chinese companies an advantage in new technologies such as artificial intelligence, partly because they face fewer restrictions over privacy and data protection. Further reading: Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt Predicts the Internet Will Split in Two By 2028 -- and One Part Will Be Led By China.
... I expect the Internet world to segment into Internet countries. The Internet, as we know it today, will be a relic in 20 years.
This is just stupid. What does the speed of wireless networks have to do with ANY of the other aspects in the story at all? At 4G I am not bandwidth bound. I can stream video at a far higher resolution than needed for a 4" screen. It has no impact on shopping, messaging, banking, etc. Further, what does the network have to do with the apps that communicate over that network? We tried AOL once. It had everything this story talked about in one unified place and interface. It sucked. It went away because that's how our markets work. People use what they want to use, which is typically based on what gives them what they want and the way they want it.
The fact that China will be producing networking 5G networking gear is... inconsequential. I'm sure there are many, many products created in China that are sold at tremendous volume that the West does not buy nor care to buy. No one here is going to buy 5G hardware with built in Chinese Government Approved and Controlled AI to restrict communication just because they make a lot of them or use them there.
Better known as 318230.
Some websites still don't seem to be designed with smartphones in mind.
#secondworldproblems
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Maybe much of the West is a theocracy, but the U.S. government was explicitly designed with the concept of separation of church and state - we may be unique in that regard.
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Umm, yeah, and block chain.
-Dave
No thanks! I don't want my banking app to do anything else!
And websites designed "with smartphones in mind" tend to stink on a desktop. I really don't want my experience to be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator.
The right wing is hardly religious at all any more. If you want to look for modern day puritanism you have to look to the left, who are busy shutting down sex workers and decreeing women dress modestly, and do not allow people to voice open options on anything not approved of by the priests of the left...
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hell even the core elements of Taoism preach this.
I'm pretty sure that's Confucianism. People seem to get them confused as much as they do patents, copyrights, and trademarks.
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China is a Communist Totalitarian Dictatorship with a thin veneer of capitalism.
Never forget that. Never be surprised at the atrocious things it does.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
All bishops in all churches must be state approved. Vatican is ok with this arrangement it seems
All Buddhist monastery lamas must be state approved. It has disrupted the centuries old tradition of Panchan lama finding the reincarnation of the Dalai lama and Dalai lama finding the reincarnation of Panchan lama. The current Dalai lama is in exile. Old Panchan lama is dead, replaced by government approved lama. They did not permit current Dalai lamas emissaries into China looking for the reincarnate. So Chinese government will identify the next Dalai lama once the current one dies.
Now, internet? Why would anyone think China will accept an international control of the internet?
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Look, it was designed to be segmentable.
Just block stuff from countries that host hackers
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The internet turned whole generations into morans that know nothing unless they have their phone.
The Internet in many ways is already turning into a shithole even without it being like in China; if the Internet as a whole went the way China would have it, then I'd yank it out of the wall and forget about it, it wouldn't be worth having anymore.
Pure nonsense, nowhere does China try to urge anyone to use its firewall.
Laughable considering how gab.com was no-platformed for allowing "pretty much anything".
Turns out the Chinese people are exactly like you and I. They use more than just smartphones... lol
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No worries, the next Dalai Lama will be identified. And most certainly not by Chinese officials.
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I love how the SV guys try to slip in a permission slip to violate privacy and be careless with our data. Perhaps THAT is why things fall behind. We don't have mobile payments because the banks are too busy fighting over whose fee will reign supreme.
It's all a totalitarian play, the only difference is who gets to be the God Emperor.
And there is a massive push by the Chinese government to 're-educate' the ethnic Uyghur Muslims in western China, at an unprecedented scale.
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it's in the same dictionary as 'whoooooosh' i think
Say thank you that it's not the other way arround. If the state would diktate corporate interests you would be China. I like your kidney.... can I has it?
glacially slow is far better than black vans, son. Which is what we had in the 50s. Kiss the next dollar bill you see, it means you got freedom.
I believe you meant morons...I don't know what a moran is.
Get a Brain, AC!
We need a secure and anonymous internet where all traffic and content are encrypted and no bulk surveillance or government manipulation are possible or allowed. If the evil dictators cannot accept this, they do not deserve to be connected to the rest of the world - disconnect them. In reality, the internet is already fragmented anyways. Disconnecting the evil dictatorships would help to reduce the hacking and massive spam currently tainting our internet.
The freedom to mention:
Tiananmen square protests in 1989.
Share a cartoon bear.
That Taiwan is real China.
Thats the difference between the freedom of the USA and the control of the Communist party.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
the superfast new generation of mobile technology called 5G.
"5G E is better. It has more E." - AT&T.
One side, championed in China, is a digital landscape where mobile payments have replaced cash. Smartphones are the devices that matter, and users can shop, chat, bank and surf the web with one app.
Sounds like Genisys.
The internet long united, must divide; long divided, must unite. Thus it has ever been.