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'Prism, Prism on the Wall, Who is the Most Trustworthy of Them All?' Huawei Hits Back at US Over 5G Security Claims (zdnet.com)
The tension between Huawei and the U.S. government took a new turn Tuesday after the Chinese networking giant's rotating chairman Guo Ping poked fun at the massive surveillance programs maintained by the United States. "Prism, prism on the wall, who's the most trustworthy of them all?" Ping said onstage at Mobile World Congress tradeshow. From a report: Ping first appeared to attempt to make light of the ongoing row -- "There has never been more interest in Huawei, we must be doing something right," he said -- but later took a more direct aim at the US and some of its own issues with cybersecurity and surveillance. "Prism, Prism on the wall, who is the most trustworthy of them all?" he said, referencing the previously secret National Security Agency surveillance project, telling the audience to ask Edward Snowden -- the whistleblower who revealed the activity -- if they didn't understand what he meant. Ping also took aim at the US Cloud Act, arguing that the legislation allows the US government to demand access data held by US companies, even if it is stored in different countries. "The Cloud Act allows them to access data cross-borders. So for best technology and for greater security, please choose Huawei," he said.
PRISM has several techniques you can use to escape. most are FLOSS. https://prism-break.org/
Good people go to bed earlier.
https://www.networkworld.com/article/2223272/60-minutes-torpedoes-huawei-in-less-than-15-minutes.html
This kind of proves the point considering we can all see from the outside that if China asks any Chinese company to hand over their data, they must and will comply.
I sure hope the (US) politicians can potentially learn from this. On so many levels, this is what they created in their ignorance and arrogance. DiFi, you are the worst on this... it is your own constituents you have hurt.
And they won't admit it, talk about it, discuss it in any way - and deny it externally! And when pressed? They make a 5-point attack on the NSA and "the decadent west" like the obvious Chi-Com shills their board is.
Just look at the statement Ren made the other day and tell me that's "a normal CEO looking out for shareholders and working to expand to developing markets." It's fucking Chi-Com propaganda to the T.
I'm surprised Huawei didn't put out a NK-style video of missiles hitting Guam.
You nexus, huh? I design you eyes!
The US government AND Huawei AND china have one thing in common:
THEY ALL SUCK!
Because in China, they are the same thing.
To the civilized parts of the world that is a terrifying idea.
But try explaining freedom to a colony of termites.. Not a fruitful discussion.
It is not bad parody but you could have worked in some classic insults and name calling. I give it a C-
BOTH of you are acting dishonorable.
Who cares?
Interesting brouhaha,5G Network is here to stay,ignore it and stay behind,US must accept competition.
Isn't that banned by the state for being 'fantasy' or 'superstition' ?
Will this accelerate his rotation
Ive said this before and will likely have to say it again. If you use American tech, the Americans have access to your data. If you use Russian tech, the Americans and the Russians have access to your data. If you use Chinese tech the Americans, Russians, Chinese and everyones pet gerbil has access to your data. Its comical to live in a fantasy world where there is privacy. The only choice you have is who has access to your data.
But if you scratch a Huawei product, you might find a Nortel logo underneath.
"Forget the engineers." -Carly Fiorina, briber of MIT Technology Review.
Hackingbear only comments to lie, obfuscate, and whattabout anything other than HUAWEI'S KNOWN RECORD. https://www.networkworld.com/article/2223272/60-minutes-torpedoes-huawei-in-less-than-15-minutes.html
Why are you saying the same thing (Russian government) thrice? Saying Goldman Sachs once is enough. No need to say German government AND British government AND the weapons industry, like you did.
And all of its apologists
You have no re-course against the spying. Re-course is not inter-course. Being screwed does not help, aid, or fight anything.
Given that you lied about such things as blood plasma, I'll go with the UN. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-un/u-n-says-it-has-credible-reports-that-china-holds-million-uighurs-in-secret-camps-idUSKBN1KV1SU
U.N. has credible reports that China holds million Uighurs in secret camps
The bottom line is that you lied and claimed that the Chinese prison system is knowable to outsiders and the legal system is comparable to the US, where innocence until proven guilt w/ lawyers, evidence is the norm.
The bottom line is you lied about blood plasma being sterile more than anyone could count, so convinced your lying ass was right, even though it's 100% false.
The bottom line is the UN says there are credible reports of well over 1 million Uighurs (no mention of other groups, that's just 1) in SECRET PRISONS in China without crimes or convictions of them.
The bottom line, Bill, is you're a blathering liar in defense of an autocratic ethno-state criminal cabal credibly accused of crimes against humanity, and you're dishonestly trying to use whattaboutism to deflect.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-un/u-n-says-it-has-credible-reports-that-china-holds-million-uighurs-in-secret-camps-idUSKBN1KV1SU
U.N. has credible reports that China holds million Uighurs in secret camps
The bottom line : The people in US prisons actually face trials. You're an apologist coward, Bill. You belong in a Chinese prison, bottom line.
The USA stole IP. They spy on everyone and, unlike China, worldwide. And there's no difference between claiming China owns a company and the USA where the government does what the government wants. The USA government and USA corporations are identical creatures, just as with your claim about china.
Abu Hamsa is of the view that the USA is the great satan. He's in jail for that. He's not done anything other than speech.
If you are of the opinion that the USA's illegal activities are wrong, you will be jailed.
And with trump, if you don't say nice things about him, he'll try to change the law so he can jail you.
And, unlike China, the USA wants to do that the world over, not just the USA.
How does breaking the law because it is your job making it any better?
And isn't it just as valid to claim that it is Huwai's job to "steal IP" from the USA and use it, therefore it is fine and dandy too?
"The bottom line is that an American is four times more likely to be incarcerated than a Chinese citizen."
I don't really feel that's the bottom line. I feel like the bottom line is that in this country we have guaranteed rights. They might not function as well as they should but they're a hell of a lot better than what a Chinese person has. When Americans are regularly made to disappear by the government for minor infractions or simply because of things they say, get back to me.
"If you are rotting in prison, the fact that America's system is transparently unjust, so everyone knows about the high false conviction rate, and the defects of our plea bargain based courts, doesn't really mean much, so long as people don't care about the injustice."
So a fucked system that is transparent is worse than a fucked one that isn't? You're not making sense here.
"So who doesn't care? Apparently you, since you would prefer to point to the other side of the world than address bigger problems here at home that we have the collective power to fix."
If you can't make a sound argument based on what some one has said then put words in their mouth! Good work!
How does me thinking the Chinese prison system is more fucked than ours mean that I don't think we should be working on our own? You're full of it.
I ignore Anonymous Coward posts. If you want to discuss something, that's awesome. Log in.
Plea bargains mean no trials. GITMO has people awaiting no trial. And, again, poor people will be in prison for longer than the sentence they will serve, waiting for a trial they never get...
As Steve Bannon said, "we've always been at war with Eastasia."
"GITMO has people awaiting no trial" False, and those are not citizens with 1 notable exception, total, at any time we know about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaser_Esam_Hamdi
And he was raised jihadi in Saudi Arabia, though he was born in the US, and subsequently renounced his citizenship.
Stop lying in defense of China's secret prisons as if this is equal. 100 people in GITMO is a legally unprecedented situation in America that is being dealt with relatively in the open.
Over a MILLION people in China are in SECRET PRISONS without any protections of law, any lawyers, any trials, or any crime credibly accused. That's not really comparable to GITMO, no matter what you might mention.
Get honest before you die, Chi-Coms.
Americans generally don't harden up on the idea that Russia might be hacking them personally (with certain criminal exceptions; meaning you would need to commit a crime or crimes to put yourself in a situation where this is a concern).
Americans generally do harden up on the idea that their local employer, police, government, family, 'friends', etc might be looking at their Facebook.
So generally Americans that aren't completely ignorant to the problem either will be careful about what they post, or they won't have a Facebook.
It wouldn't be fair at this point to not also mention that domestic surveillance has not stopped terrorism, and it wasn't called on as a means to stop terrorism by any general Americans.
The only thing I can see that it has done so far is stifle free speech (and make me feel the need to post this anonymously).
To be fair, where would network admins around the world be without Ping ?
Wow that's so hard to believe that many Americans don't support American values outside of American borders? Is it really so crazy to think of some of us might understand the concept of jurisdiction.
Nothing is trustworthy, which is why encryption should be used within all communication channels/apps/whatever. So, txt messages, for example, should be encrypted before leaving the station. There should be a no-trust policy for everything. There is plenty of brilliance to make this a reality.
No-trust policy....
Which Chicom insider stole it all?
You're an apologist coward, Bill. You belong in a Chinese prison, bottom line.
Actually, he might be an employee just doing his job as directed. The logic that it is okay to jail only a million people without trial because 'Murrica bad! is just ludicrous.
Yeah, America jails too many people. This was the result of three major things. Thig one was the "get tough on crime" movement, the victim's right's movement, and the for profit prison system. All were intertwined.
The biggest problem of making the prison system a profit center is that like all corporate entities, you have to make more profit the next quarter. And there are limits to how cheaply you can maintain prisoners, so the answer is to make sure you have more prisoners in prison for a longer time.
For that, the magic elixir of the outrageous mandatory penalties for non-crime crimes like weed possession, the three strikes rules that could put a person in prison for life for silly things like shoplifting food, and the ability of the victims to keep a person in prison based on how they feel.
I can be sympathetic to the victims, but the rest of those assholes should be the ones behind bars.
But here's the thing - it isn't a crime for me to express that opinion. Bill should try some pointed criticism at the Chinese government - calling them assholes that belong in prison.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
The logic that it is okay to jail only a million people without trial because 'Murrica bad! is just ludicrous.
I never said any such thing.
The fact that innocent people in China are unjustly imprisoned is wrong.
The fact that innocent people in America are unjustly imprisoned is also wrong.
By pointing out that America is proportionally worse, I am not in any way justifying China's behavior.
I think Chairman Ping (Guo?) has a point though. That's why his statement stings.
The US used to be a beacon of human rights and freedoms. Now it's tarnished. Yes the US isn't China, but who do you think the average Chinese is going to believe? How about the average Malaysian, or Indonesian?
Thanks, Three Letter Agencies. Thanks, federal government. Thanks, Mr. President. Thanks, bin Laden.
The logic that it is okay to jail only a million people without trial because 'Murrica bad! is just ludicrous.
I never said any such thing.
The fact that innocent people in China are unjustly imprisoned is wrong.
The fact that innocent people in America are unjustly imprisoned is also wrong.
By pointing out that America is proportionally worse, I am not in any way justifying China's behavior.
Tell us why it is porportionally worse. What is the execution rate in China? Are their prisoners treated well? Are they given trials? Are they imprisoned for opinions?Tell me how you arrived at the conclusion that you would rather be jailed in China than in the USA. You made your claim twice, support it.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
But here's the thing - it isn't a crime for me to express that opinion... calling them(American) assholes that belong in prison.
Just make sure the assholes you want in jail aren't Kikes.
Direct Chinese propaganda - no, but I've seen the same wharharble mccarthian post about china-communist-syealing-spying hundreds of times in every thread.
Obviously not a Russian troll.
YOU ARE A PROPAGANDIST
Great post. The American system is very far from great, but I'm amazed that anyone not from the 50c Party would argue that the Chinese system is not much worse.
There is a very simple test when comparing the two systems. Most top officials and their families in Hong Kong and China hold passports of western countries (US, British). They cast their votes with their own feet, so to speak. On the other hand, would an American citizen want to become a Chinese citizen and live in a truly dystopian state that is the PRC, where there is absolutely no freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of the press and freedom of religion? Oh, so you want to establish a church there to worship $deity? That's fine - as long as you also hang portraits of Xi on the walls too, amongst other things, to remind everyone that there is someone else *above* $deity that one should worship.
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Yeah, most people that the USA "disappears", are just openly murdered by drones (or "OMGHEROES") on the street, including any bystanders, even if it's a kindergarten, marriage ceremony or just some random people. The USA has been casually doing this, *uninterruptedly* while "not" being at war, since WWII.
And let's not even mention the open offensive warfare, "regime chance" actions and backings of evil dictators on literally nearly every country on the planet. Including even Russia! (Look up how Yeltsin got into power. Fun fact: He put Putin in power. So on Putin putting Trump into power... either way: LOL!)
But it's not like the US isn't somebody who enjoys a nice disappearing when necessary. Which you would know, if you weren't deliberately ignoring every single news about the "black sites" (US term for US a concentration camps, on foreign soil).
It's Nortel, not Nortell. The old name was Northern Telecom and that got shortened down to Nortel.
You sound like a dweeb calling it Nortell, like it was the No-Tell Hotel!