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QuadrigaCX's Crypto Accounts Were Emptied Months Before CEO's Mysterious Death, Putting Fate of $137 Million In Doubt (businessinsider.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Business Insider: Millions of dollars were missing when the CEO of a crypto exchange died without sharing the passwords to his accounts. Investigators recently cracked his laptop -- only to find the money was gone. Gerald Cotten, the founder of QuadrigaCX, was thought to have had sole access to the funds and coins exchanged on it. After his death in December, his colleagues said that about $137 million in cryptocurrency belonging to about 115,000 customers was held offline in "cold storage" and inaccessible. The case has sparked numerous theories, including that Cotten faked his own death and ran off with the cash. A court-appointed auditor, Ernst & Young, was able to crack Cotten's laptop and found that the accounts were emptied in April, eight months before his death, it said in a report last week.

The investigators said they found other issues too, such as that Quadriga kept "limited books and records" and never reported its financials. Ernst & Young also said it found 14 user accounts linked to Cotten that traded on Quadriga's exchange and withdrew cryptocurrency to addresses not tied to Quadriga. Burdened with $190 million in debt and unable to find or access the money, Quadriga filed for creditor protection in late January. A Nova Scotia court threw the company a lifeline this week, granting it a 45-day extension that prevents creditors from filing lawsuits against it until mid-April.

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  1. Alt headline: by DalM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "So, you decided to invest in fake crypto-crime money and trusted it's safe keeping with a stranger..."

    1. Re:Alt headline: by DalM · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, except for the fact that US Banks are typically publicly traded companies, with very serious third-party accredited accountant firms watching every penny, heavily regulated by the Federal Government and insured by the FDIC.

      But besides that small fact, exactly the same.

    2. Re: Alt headline: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And the fact that some dude dying does not leave the bank without funds because they stored the entire value of the bank on random assholes laptop with a password only he ever knew and he memorized it.

      Yes, banks are run JUST LIKE THAT!

      Bitcoin morons....

  2. So you don't trust banks? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 5, Funny

    See how much better off you are converting your life savings into an online hoarding token whose value changes daily, and then entrusting your hoard to an AC on the Internet.

    There's a job waiting for you: Finance Minister of Venezuela.

    1. Re:So you don't trust banks? by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      Oh no, not quite qualified. I would think with all the massive volumes of crypto coin we'd need someone used to handling orders of magnitude more money; I hereby nominate the Finance Minister of Zimbabwe

    2. Re:So you don't trust banks? by Bert64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well the whole point of crypto is that you can hold it securely yourself without having to rely on third parties, so trusting it to a third party is stupidity on the part of the user not an inherent problem of crypto.

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    3. Re: So you don't trust banks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You have no clue on how this works....

      Offline he wallet... All you do when you "bring it online" is to sign a transaction with the HW wallet... On the better ones you can even see the destination address to make sure nothing will happen....

      There are other reasons you should be really careful investing in crypto currency, but security for your wallet is not really one.

    4. Re:So you don't trust banks? by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

      What do you mean, without relying on third parties? Blockchainhyperledgerwhateveryoucallit are required to keep track of transactions, all of which must by design run by third parties. The only way you can not rely on third parties is to have your own cryptocurrency that no one uses, and given that there are more cryptocurrencies than there are countries, that's the way things are going.

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  3. Well DUH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The rest of them are likely involved too. Since there is no way that company could run if all transactions had to be done via its CEO and the CEO leaves for India, and nobody raises a red flag, and somehow the company can continue to run without access to its funds, and no financial books, and so on.... lots of red flags with the whole operation.

    He'll be found and arrested soon enough. He won't be dead, and won't be in India. He'll be in Canada or the USA not far from his wife.

    1. Re:Well DUH! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      He'll be in Canada or the USA not far from his wife.

      With $137M, he can afford a new wife.

    2. Re:Well DUH! by junglee_iitk · · Score: 1

      Is going to India a euphemism for hiding? What is the source of this? Because it is way harder to hide in India if you are white and it is way easier to hide in Belize.

    3. Re:Well DUH! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      He doesn't really have $137M though. He has cryptocurrency that is worth around that amount, or at least was before this happened and people lost faith in it.

      Converting that into usable currency is not going to be easy, especially as the ledger is public. He will need to launder it. Obviously taking out millions is going to be a massive red flag now.

      Someone didn't think this through.

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    4. Re:Well DUH! by hey! · · Score: 3, Informative

      He *had* cryptocurrency valued at 137 million. Which means he could have grand old time ordering stuff you can buy with cryptocurrency. But as soon as he tries to convert that asset into something substantial like a house, a boat, or a car he'll be leaving traces.

      Hiding liquid assets is not a new thing. And it'd be really easy to escape the law *if you never tried to use those assets for anything but hiding*. Cryptocurrency is surely an advance from the point of view of money laundering, but it's not a panacea.

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    5. Re:Well DUH! by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      No his wife reported that he died in India. If he faked his death, I suppose that he thinks it is easier to fake a death in a foreign country that is 3rd world in places. If he died in the U.K. or France or Germany, it would be way easier to verify.

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    6. Re:Well DUH! by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      It would have been a flag if he converted all the Bitcoins at once right now, but the story details that the accounts were emptied months ago and the auditors know of at least 14 previously unknown accounts. Who knows how many other accounts exist. He could have created hundreds of accounts to then convert the Bitcoins to other currencies.

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    7. Re:Well DUH! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Indeed, splitting funds into multiple accounts and mixing them around is a common way to launder them, as it becomes harder to track the funds. There are even exchanges that offer to do it for you.

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  4. Is Cotton really dead? by mykepredko · · Score: 4, Informative

    When I RFTA, I see that Cotton died in India - how was this verified?

    If I were an investor, I would want DNA proof that he was dead otherwise, I would think Interpol should be notified to start looking for him.

    $137M disappears eight months before the only person with the password dies?

    It could be criminally inept business practices or just simply criminal. I would look at the latter scenario.

    1. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Informative

      When I RFTA, I see that Cotton died in India - how was this verified?

      Apparently they have the kind of death certificate that can be 'purchased' for $75.

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    2. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      oh, just like advanced degrees and doctors diplomas over there

    3. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by quantaman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When I RFTA, I see that Cotton died in India - how was this verified?

      If I were an investor, I would want DNA proof that he was dead otherwise, I would think Interpol should be notified to start looking for him.

      $137M disappears eight months before the only person with the password dies?

      It could be criminally inept business practices or just simply criminal. I would look at the latter scenario.

      Yeah, the actual subject of the confirmation of his death is weirdly absent from the reporting.

      If he actually died they would have shipped the body back to Canada and had a funeral. Even if it were a family-only affair that would be pretty damn easy for a reporter to confirm and put an end to all the speculation.

      The only article I've seen is this which states:

      Despite a death certificate from Indian authorities and a statement of death from a Nova Scotia funeral home, an Indian police document giving permission to Robertson to transport Cotten’s body back to Canada, and confirmation from the hospital in which Cotten died about the circumstances surrounding his death, many of Quadriga’s users refuse to believe he is actually dead.

      So if they had permission to transport the body back to Canada then where's the funeral or at least the Canadian funeral home who cremated it?

      I'm not one for conspiracy theories... but I'm inclined to believe he's still alive.

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    4. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      When I RFTA, I see that Cotton died in India - how was this verified?

      Apparently they have the kind of death certificate that can be 'purchased' for $75.

      !! Do you think he can afford to fake his own death? If he did, he could go to jail for it if caught. Not worth the risk.

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    5. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by lazarus · · Score: 5, Funny

      I heard from a reliable source that Cotten is actually Cowboy Neil and that he and Malda have been seen drunk with prostitutes in Macau.

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    6. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Who is Cowboy Neil? We all know and love CowboyNeal.

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    7. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by RazorSharp · · Score: 2

      I'm not one for conspiracy theories... but I'm inclined to believe he's still alive.

      Ditto that. All of the evidence of his death are things that could easily be staged with 8 months and $137 million to work with. If this had all occurred in Canada I would be suspicious. The fact that most of it occurred in India certainly makes it look more suspicious.

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    8. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by belmolis · · Score: 1

      Right. People are so scared of going to jail that nobody ever commits a crime.

    9. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by gweihir · · Score: 2

      How would a "DNA proof" that he was dead even look like? If he was cremated (which is perfectly legal), then there would be no DNA. Basically the death certificate is what you get and it is legal proof, that is just how things are set up.

      Also, it is quite possible the money is gone. Stealing $137M is pretty gutsy. However doing speculation with it and losing it all is a lot less so and has been done before. The current obvious cover story could then just be a desperate attempt to hide what has happened, not actual theft.

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    10. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the actual subject of the confirmation of his death is weirdly absent from the reporting.

      Probably because there is enough legal proof that anybody claiming differently would have to have proof to the contrary or open themselves up to a libel lawsuit. Obvious though as it is that something fishy is going on, a death certificate is legal proof and you cannot just ignore it.

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    11. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Just like advanced degrees and doctors diplomas in the US, only cheaper. You don't still get spam from fake US schools offering them?

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    12. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Am I missing something?

      So if they had permission to transport the body back to Canada then where's the funeral or at least the Canadian funeral home who cremated it?

      Despite a death certificate from Indian authorities and a statement of death from a Nova Scotia funeral home

      Are you saying there should also be a certificate of cremation or burial that is publicly available in Canada? I don't know how the system works there.

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    13. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      He's probably stolen $137m and you think he's worried about imprisonment for faking a death certificate?

      Yeah, I reckon he can probably afford the certificate and the risk.

    14. Re: Is Cotton really dead? by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Bold move Cotton, let's see if it pays off

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    15. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

      How do you have an id under 3K and use Cowboy Neil, are you Cotten?

      Or is there a breeze above my head?

    16. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by Dan+East · · Score: 1

      How would a "DNA proof" that he was dead even look like?

      When you look at the DNA under a very powerful microscope you can see that the little DNAs have Xs over their eyes.

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    17. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Not that it would really be that hard to do in the US either. This talk was from a few years ago but it was fascinating..

      https://community.spiceworks.c...

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    18. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by McGruber · · Score: 1

      When I RFTA, I see that Cotton died in India - how was this verified?

      What makes you think that "Gerald Cotton" was his/her/their true identity?

    19. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by jbmartin6 · · Score: 2

      Probably he paid some bum with a similar body type to break into his house and kill him so his family could collect the insurance money, but then killed the bum instead and faked a car crash to burn up the body. Luckily the bum did not turn out to be an undercover investigative reporter.

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    20. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      There is a reason behind these certificates. For the reincarnated these are the affordable official documents for one's demise. When they are born again, but as a cockroach, at least they won't be crawling around saying That's $75 I'm never getting back

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    21. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      Those papers won't be taken seriously by anyone with a brain... just like 66% of Indian "professionals" copy pasting crap from white papers.

    22. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      You can compare it against living relatives to be certain the corpse is family at least.

    23. Re:Is Cotton really dead? by quantaman · · Score: 2

      Am I missing something?

      So if they had permission to transport the body back to Canada then where's the funeral or at least the Canadian funeral home who cremated it?

      Despite a death certificate from Indian authorities and a statement of death from a Nova Scotia funeral home

      Are you saying there should also be a certificate of cremation or burial that is publicly available in Canada? I don't know how the system works there.

      For $137 million you don't need a certificate to properly investigate. A reporter can just go down and talk to someone at the funeral home to see if there was a body, and I'm sure there's investors with the cash and motive to hire a PI or Law Firm that can do the same.

      Did the funeral home get handed an urn, an Indian Death Certificate, hold a private service, and based their statement on that. Or did they actually see and prepare the body?

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  5. Making Bank Robbery Easier! by kenwd0elq · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems that the primary function of cryto-currencies is to make bank robberies easier to do and more difficult to trace.

    1. Re:Making Bank Robbery Easier! by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      And they're no true Scotsmen, either!

    2. Re:Making Bank Robbery Easier! by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      The value of a currency is the effort you are willing to put into stealing it.

    3. Re:Making Bank Robbery Easier! by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      On the other hand... Vladimir Putin? Billionnaire. Donald Trump? Billionaire. Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum? Billionaire. Sebastián Piñera? BIllionaire.

      Socialists, capitalists, democracies, monarchies... it's as if your hypothesis has no predictive power.

    4. Re:Making Bank Robbery Easier! by linuxguy · · Score: 1

      "Donald Trump? Billionaire."

      That is what he has been claiming before, during and after filing all the bankruptcies. No evidence of him being a billionaire exists.

  6. wow by hdyoung · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I wouldn't believe this guy is dead unless I saw the body, took a tissue sample myself and verified the DNA. A body alone wouldn't be enough, and a smudge of DNA sans body wouldn't be enough either.

    One possibility is that he stole it, spent/gambled/lost it, committed suicide and then tried to make his death look like a non-suicide for societal or insurance reasons. The other possibility is that he's alive and well living off 100+ million bucks somewhere. Maybe he was trying to do this but got killed by some criminal element in India. We'll probably know the whole story eventually. Once competent investigators start to trace the money, they can find virtually anything, anywhere.

    1. Re:wow by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      And how were you planning to verify the DNA?

    2. Re:wow by gweihir · · Score: 1

      The body was cremated. Perfectly legal to do, no DNA test possible. And there is a valid death certificate. It may be faked, but you would have to prove that, not the other way round.

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    3. Re: wow by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Fascinating. On would assume most people in the west have arrived in modern, enlightened times, but then cave-men like you show up.

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  7. FDIC is a good thing by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    FDIC is a good thing

    1. Re:FDIC is a good thing by kenwd0elq · · Score: 1

      I'm generally a Libertarian, but the FDIC is generally an example of "GOOD Government Action".

    2. Re:FDIC is a good thing by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

      Newsflash: we're all generally libertarians. Most people would like to do whatever they want. A dictator is just a libertarian who believes their liberty is deserved regardless of the expense to others, which is unsurprisingly also what most libertarians I've encountered online also want.

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  8. Ha ha, no. by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    "QuadrigaCX's Crypto Accounts Were Emptied Months Before CEO's Mysterious Death, Putting Fate of $137 Million In Doubt"

    I have no doubt as to what happened to it.

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  9. Am I reading this right? by ErstO · · Score: 1

    the company was $190 million in debt, and the bulk of the accounts totaling $137 million is now missing.

    what was Gerald Cotten business model, I want in, he ain’t dead, he is living it up on a Caribbean island looking over his shoulder every five seconds.

    1. Re:Am I reading this right? by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      Most of his bribe money was recovered. Unless Trudeau&co reached out to help him fake his death he wouldn't have had enough money.

  10. And the CEO convieniently died by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    While holding the password to the wallet ?

    Sounds like time to take out the handcuffs and start looking at murder charges real closely.

  11. Cold storage does not imply balances are hidden by phitar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can someone explain how the 8 months old "withdrawal" is only seen now and required hacking the computer.
    Isn't the point of the blockchain you can trace (except through mixers or specific ZKP systems) transactions precisely because every node holds an exact and full copy of the ledger of transactions?
    The only thing hacking the computer could provide is private keys to actually transfer value out of those wallets but the balance should have been public.

    1. Re:Cold storage does not imply balances are hidden by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Informative

      The whole blockchain is massive (around 200GB now) and you can obfuscate transfers a lot. Especially if you do bitcoin/ethereum conversions. The theft will not be immediately apparent.

    2. Re:Cold storage does not imply balances are hidden by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Maybe they mean he moved the wallet file off the computer 8 months ago. You can transfer ownership of cryptocurrency offline by giving someone else the wallet file, and obviously the public ledger has no record of it.

      The timeframe could be determined by email timestamps, file access timestamps, logs, all sorts of things.

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    3. Re:Cold storage does not imply balances are hidden by MaizeMan · · Score: 1

      My guess would be that the addresses for the wallets being used for cold storage were not public. So until they cracked the laptop, they didn't know which addresses to check. So if they cracked the laptop, found the wallets and then they could check the history of those addresses and see that the equivalent of $137M used to be stored in those addresses and no longer is.

    4. Re:Cold storage does not imply balances are hidden by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      You can transfer ownership of cryptocurrency offline by giving someone else the wallet file

      Okay, I don't understand this. What if I gave someone a copy of the wallet file? We both have identical wallet files. How does the system figure out who really has the money?

    5. Re:Cold storage does not imply balances are hidden by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Whoever spends it first wins, basically. The wallet just contains crypto keys that relate to an amount in the shared ledger of accounts, anyone with the key can transfer that money.

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    6. Re:Cold storage does not imply balances are hidden by jythie · · Score: 1

      Hrm. But couldn't they figure out the address of the cold storage wallets by looking at the transfers going to them from customers? The BTC going in would be recorded, so it should be possible to see it going out too. Though maybe this is exactly what the 'audit' was doing?

  12. Theory: here's where the money went by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    So you might be wondering how does one make $115 Million just vanish. First I'll assume they already have ruled out the obvious that it's just spent on lavish lifestyles or sitting in the accounts of the executives.

    So where did it go? I speculate it never existed. How? Well imagine this, someone invests $1000 in the exchange when bitcoin is $1/coin. The exchange runner, steals all of it, but continues to tell the client that they own 1000 bitcoins. The the price of bit coin goes up 1000 fold. That 1000 coins now shows as a deposit worth $1million. If they withdraw some of it, well in the usual Ponzi fashion that money comes from the new deposits not from held funds since they don't exist.

    That is there is nothing backing that $1 miillion dollars aside from the $1000 that was stolen. the $1000 did not appreciate because it wasn't ever converted to bitcoin.

    So my guess is that some of this does exist in the accounts of the corrupt execs, but most of it doesn't exist at all. it's just $115M on paper, not in any account anywhere. Not $115 million stolen, its tens of thousands or hundreds stolen. If they go looking for these smaller amounts they may find some of it in boats and homes.

    The interesting thing is what happens next. Clawbacks. If anyone cashed out of the exchange and it indeed was a pnozi operations then the bankruptcy lawyers will try to claw back the money from the people who unwittingly received a profit because they had the good luck to cash out. Now bad luck.

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  13. Sounds like.... by Heebie · · Score: 1

    It sounds like this man was planning to fake his own death & disappear. Are they sure, I mean REALLY REALLY sure, that he's dead & not living it up in the Bahamas?

  14. Re:Theory: here's where the money went by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here's the relevant part of the summary:

    Ernst & Young also said it found 14 user accounts linked to Cotten that traded on Quadriga's exchange and withdrew cryptocurrency to addresses not tied to Quadriga.

    It seems it should be easy to tell from the public blockchain where the coins were transferred to, how many, and when....

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  15. can't you invalidate those "coins"? by yes-but-no · · Score: 1

    I believe in currencies, say someone stole a bag of say $100 bills and if the bank/govt knows the sequence numbers, it can theoretically invalidate those numbers. I think a crypto-currency will have some form of identifier/sequence-number that you could mark it as dead and remove it from circulation. Not an expert on how crypto currency works but if it doesn't have this capability, I guess it's a serious design flaw. As anyone can steal and run-away and the majority can't do anything but just look.

    1. Re:can't you invalidate those "coins"? by Robert+Goatse · · Score: 1

      The government can invalidate bills? I don't see how that would work. Is there a master list of good bills -vs- bad bills? Does every merchant have a copy of this list they run the bills over? Me thinks not.

    2. Re:can't you invalidate those "coins"? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      At best, governments can publish a list of serial numbers for banks to monitor should the bills come into the bank’s possession and then remove them from circulation. However I am not aware of any system that flags these bills for the general public.

      In this case, someone can possibly audit the ledger for these coins, but they were transferred almost a year ago. If they were converted to cash, then the money is gone. If they were transferred to legitimate buyers multiple times, how do you recover it?

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    3. Re:can't you invalidate those "coins"? by sjames · · Score: 1

      The "coin" part of Bitcoin is just an analogy. It's just balances moving around, there are no serialized tokens of any kind.

    4. Re:can't you invalidate those "coins"? by thejynxed · · Score: 1

      They can and they do, at least in any nation that has serial numbers attached to their paper currency. Those fancy machines don't just count the bills and denominations, but check serial numbers and anti-forgery markers. It's exactly how they are able to put their own "marked" currency into circulation, most often with a specific person or group of persons as the target to receive that currency (think: suspected drug dealers, fraudsters, etc).

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  16. Re:This just proves by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    No. While cryptocurrency is fools gold this proves nothing of the sort.

    All this proves if you give all your money to some shady unregulated 3rd party there's a risk you may lose it.

  17. Re:She identified the body by _merlin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Forged death certificates are fairly easy to get in India and not particularly expensive - might not've even got a real doctor, just a professional document forger. The thing is in India, record-keeping can be quite poor and sometimes the easiest way to get a document is just to get a forgery. A guy I knew was applying for a security clearance in Australia and needed a birth certificate. He'd somehow lost or damaged it, and the hospital where he was born had burned down with all its records, so he couldn't get a replacement. His dad went to a professional forger, gave him all the details, and got a convincing replacement. Aus DFAT accepted it without issues and he got his clearance. In this case there was no falsified information involved, but I imagine most forgers wouldn't bother to verify the information at all.

  18. Re:Theory: here's where the money went by skegg · · Score: 3, Informative

    Thanks for mentioning the term "clawback" in this context; I learnt something interesting tonight.

    For anyone else interested, a couple of articles that go into further detail:

    Clawback Lawsuits on Rise in Aftermath of Ponzi Schemes
    Ponzi Scheme Victims May Owe Triple Damages For Usury In Clawback Lawsuits - A New Tool In Ponzi Scheme Litigation?

  19. How do you lose your money even faster? by sizzzzlerz · · Score: 1

    Go into building rockets or invest in a Trump casino.

  20. Re:photo by sizzzzlerz · · Score: 1

    Good news, there is a reward. That bad news? It's in Bitcoin.

  21. Stupid question that I hope someone can answer by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    Have we seen his body, and has whatever we've seen been proved to be him?

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    1. Re:Stupid question that I hope someone can answer by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      No. That’s one of the things that is fueling the conspiracies. He died in India in December and it was reported later by his wife. Normally this wouldn’t be a major issue as people should have privacy about their lives; however, the huge amount of “locked” money now appears to be missing. If the money wasn’t locked and was available right away or the money was there when unlocked, no one would question the death.

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  22. Re:This just proves by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

    Modern money isn't bits of metal or paper, it's a system. That system includes banks, exchanges, and payment systems, and, importantly, a system of regulation and checks that keep the whole thing (mostly) honest.

    Bitcoin is kind of like money, except it's missing most of that system. There's nobody to give your money to except shady unregulated third parties.

    Many proposals for dealing with some of bitcoin's other problems involve depending even more on those shady unregulated third parties.

  23. Re:photo by cciechad · · Score: 1

    Why would you make that up? The email from Kraken specifically states fiat or crypto. "If so, let us know and weâ(TM)ll pass your tips on to law enforcement. Kraken is giving up to $100,000 USD (fiat or crypto) as a reward for the tip(s) that best lead to the discovery of the missing $190 million US dollars. "

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  24. Re: Alt headline:Jews did 9/11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You lame conspiracy theorists are always missing the obvious. There were FOUR airplanes hijacked, not just TWO. Two of them were crashed into buildings in NYC, yes, but that was just a distraction from the real goal, and that has worked to fool all of the clueless people willing to bite at the first worm dangling in front of them. One plane crashed into the Pentagon, but that was also a DISTRACTION. Everybody forgets about the FOURTH AIRPLANE. That airplane crashed into a farm field. Yes, a FARM FIELD, full of unharvested crops that were quickly DECLINING in VALUE. Clearly, the entire scheme was planned by the FARMER to collect insurance payments for his ruined CROPS!!! Why does nobody but me see this?

  25. threw the company a lifeline by epine · · Score: 1

    A Nova Scotia court threw the company a lifeline this week, granting it a 45-day extension that prevents creditors from filing lawsuits against it until mid-April.

    This prose is pure, unadulterated, snotty-nosed imbecility.

    Imagine the botched Apollo 13 stir had happened instead on Apollo 8.

    Apollo 8

    A Lunar Module was not used on the Apollo 8 mission but a Lunar Module Test Article which was equivalent in mass (9027 kg) to a Lunar Module was mounted in the spacecraft/launch vehicle adapter as ballast for mass loading purposes.

    And then mission control radios up: "hey, we found a way to add another 24 hours to your failed main oxygen supply." But, sorry, they didn't find a way for the astronauts to live inside the Lunar Module Test Article, leaving them up the lifeline without a paddle.

    That hoary "lifeline" cliche is less serviceable here than a boomerang on Loonie Tunes.

  26. Re:photo by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    Worse yet, it is only payable from Cotten’s account . :P

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  27. Re:She identified the body by jythie · · Score: 1

    Should probably be saying that she can now afford a new husband.

  28. Re: Alt headline:Jews did 9/11 by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    IDK why they modded you down that was hilarious. Slashdot should have a +1 Funny Troll at least to to offset the -1 Stupid Troll we currently have. Its only fair right? Have to be fair.

  29. Re: Alt headline:Jews did 9/11 by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    You sir are a Geneii. That's plural for Genius, because you have to be like 2 or 3 geniuses to figure that shit out. Good job, now we can serve justice!

  30. Re: Alt headline:Jews did 9/11 by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    pfft I dont even have to close my eyes!

  31. Re: Alt headline:Jews did 9/11 by shplopt · · Score: 1

    "+1 Troll" would definitely be a great addition, as would "-1 Funny." These labels can have wildly different connotations depending on context.