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An Amphibian Fungus Has Become 'The Most Deadly Pathogen Known To Science'

"On Thursday, 41 scientists published the first worldwide analysis of a fungal outbreak that's been wiping out frogs for decades," The New York Times reports. The outbreak has caused more than 500 species of amphibians to decline significantly (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source), making it "the most deadly pathogen known to science." From the report: Scientists first noticed in the 1970s that some frog populations were declining quickly; by the 1980s, some species appeared to be extinct. The losses were puzzling, because the frogs were living in pristine habitats, unharmed by pollution or deforestation. In the late 1990s, researchers discovered that frogs in both Australia and Panama were infected with a deadly fungus, which they named Batrachochytrium dendrobatidis -- Bd, for short. The fungus turned up in other countries, but studies of its DNA suggest that Bd originated on the Korean Peninsula. In Asia, amphibians seem impervious to Bd, but when it got to other parts of the world â" probably via the international trade in pet amphibians -- the pathogen reached hundreds of vulnerable species.

Amphibians are infected with Bd by contact with other animals or by spores floating in the water. The fungus invades skin cells and multiplies. An infected frog's skin will start to peel away as the animal grows sluggish. Before it dies, a frog may manage to hop its way to a new stream or pond, spreading the fungus further. The fungus thrives in cool, moist conditions. As a result, frogs that live in cloud forests on mountainsides have been hit particularly hard. Big frogs are at a greater risk, too, possibly because they don't multiply as quickly as small ones. [The lead author of the new study and his colleagues] identified 501 species in decline, far greater than the previous estimate of 200. Certain factors once thought to account for the decimation of frog populations -- like climate change and deforestation -- are not the greatest threats, the scientists found.
The study has been published in the journal Science.

93 comments

  1. Readable articles made into amphibians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Editors, just stuff it with the paywalls and go find some non-paywalled links, eh.

    1. Re: Readable articles made into amphibians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are paid their salaries to sell us to the clickbaiters.

  2. Australia, are you noting this? by MadTinfoilHatter · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here is finally something you could introduce to get rid of those pesky cane toads! I foresee no problems whatsoever. :-)

    1. Re:Australia, are you noting this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mmm... cane toads.

    2. Re:Australia, are you noting this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cane toads gone, plus the Trotsky-slut pervoz who suck on them. Byebye Trotsky-slut pervoz ... twitch and burn, scorch and yearn, got the hots for AOCs trot. I don't think DemoRat physicalists believe in funerals , but enjoy the bone-toasting heat from burning manefestoz !

    3. Re:Australia, are you noting this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Australia, time to act: bold moves against the varmints, or start hosting download torrents or mirrors for Ubuntu's Disco Dingo release.

  3. Pepe sheds a tear for his buddies by thesjaakspoiler · · Score: 1

    But internet memes never die. https://imgflip.com/memetempla...

  4. So humans are now second? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This I find hard to believe

    1. Re:So humans are now second? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you start to ask if it wasn't humans, in particular researchers seeking out new frog populations, who spread the fungal pathogen across the globe in the first place.

      Time and again, researchers have found new populations, only to return later and find them decimated

      Doesn't a take a genius to ask if the researchers are affecting the outcome by observing it in their fungus-carrying clothing

    2. Re: So humans are now second? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of an article I read where a team of scientists studying a disease infecting certain types of trees found that 100% of trees in the area tested positive for it. However, follow up teams to the region realized *only* the trees tested ended up having it; turns out the scientists were infecting all the trees themselves by using stupid testing methods (infected drill bits and swab/sampling kits, basically).

  5. Wow by r2kordmaa · · Score: 2

    A pathogen that affects entire class of animals, wow, just wow. That's an equivalent of a disease that affected all mammals indiscriminately, I didn't think such a thing was possible.

    1. Re:Wow by Gilgaron · · Score: 5, Informative

      Fungi are bigger and more like us than viruses and bacteria are. So instead of being dependent on specific protein binding sites like a virus is, they can mechanically invade tissue like a parasitic worm could. They may have plant-like lifecycles but they have to find exogenous energy sources as animals do, so that's why so many consume detritus or are parasites.

    2. Re:Wow by RockDoctor · · Score: 4, Informative
      Not sure if you're trying to play for laughs, but ... it's not just a question of individual protein binding sites for getting into a cell (as you say, is important for virii and some bacteria). In order to mechanically invade a tissue (e.g., skin - your biggest organ), an organism needs at some point to adhere one cell wall onto another from which it can get the anchorage to drive pseudopods or whole filaments into the structure.

      Different tissues have different adhesions proteins - that's how, for example, your eyelids can stick together but not stick to your eyeball - and the precise proteins vary from one species to another. But they do form families of related proteins, more closely related in more closely related species. (If I recall correctly, some of the first evidence that whales were more closely related to hippopotamuses than any other animals came from the proteins on the surfaces of their respective blood cells which would coagulate with each other. Yes, those troublesome blood groups are the result of adhesion proteins.)

      Oddly, it's a complicated subject. A few tens of thousands of species, each one with a few hundreds of relevant protein families, the mutual interactions of any with any being potentially significant.

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    3. Re:Wow by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      This isn't killing all frogs, just ones that are susceptible. As the article stated:

      In Asia, amphibians seem impervious to Bd

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    4. Re:Wow by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Those are the reservoir species, so he's noting that it is affecting the whole clade. Additionally, absence of mortality doesn't mean absence of morbidity.

    5. Re:Wow by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      Just as an FYI, the plural of virus is viruses, not virii (which is not even a word).

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    6. Re:Wow by kevmeister · · Score: 1

      Rabies comes damned close!

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    7. Re:Wow by r2kordmaa · · Score: 1

      2 clades even, salamanders too

    8. Re:Wow by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      You, obviously, know more about this than I. I had to look up the word "clade". Thanks!

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    9. Re:Wow by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

      A pathogen that affects entire class of animals, wow, just wow. That's an equivalent of a disease that affected all mammals indiscriminately, I didn't think such a thing was possible.

      Rabies...

    10. Re:Wow by r2kordmaa · · Score: 1

      Huh, never thought of rabies that way. But yes, you and kevmeister are right, rabies does affect pretty much all mammals. Thanks for pointing it out to me.

  6. I'm guessing the scientists infected them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the blurb: "...but when it got to other parts of the world â" probably via the international trade in pet amphibians..."

    I'm thinking it's the research scientists walking around the "pristine habitats" shortly after they were walking around the not-so pristine habitats of the Korean peninsula. Do you think they changed their shoes between locations? I don't think so.

    1. Re: I'm guessing the scientists infected them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [citation needed]

    2. Re: I'm guessing the scientists infected them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are no published citations for this because no researcher would undermine their profession by writing or publishing one

  7. Re:not related to GW???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seems like you are triggered already.

  8. Hope springs eternal... by DanDD · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... perhaps this pathogen can be engineered to infect only politicians.

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    1. Re:Hope springs eternal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... perhaps this pathogen can be engineered to infect only politicians.

      Even better, retain its inter-species adaptability, so it could infect both politicians and lawyers.

    2. Re:Hope springs eternal... by Shotgun · · Score: 2

      You're obviously a racist. Lawyers and politicians ARE the same species. Just like, due to the cross breading, journalists now are.

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    3. Re:Hope springs eternal... by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      The only problem with your plan is that political speciation is a Real Thing; you manage to erradicate all the politicians, more will spontaneously emerge from the rest of the population. It becomes a never-ending game of Whack-A-Mole -- at least until there are no more homo sapiens left.

  9. Obligatory Plague Inc. Evolved comment by raatti · · Score: 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Megabrutal Fungus viral strategy. Maybe related ;-)

  10. Re:not related to GW???? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1, Funny

    how could this be? Maybe at least Putin's fault or white male supremacy? C'mon give us something to be outraged about.

    They already told you

    Bd originated on the Korean Peninsula

    So it's one to drop at Kim's feet.

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  11. Out of Control. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

    The spawning of this fungus has been toadaly out of control. We should always remember just how bad a pathogen can be to a species. Never froget about it.

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    1. Re:Out of Control. by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Your mastery of the English Language is ribbeting!

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    2. Re:Out of Control. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need to fix this now!

      Hop to it!

  12. Re: not related to GW???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's part of a group of infectious parasites to he avoided.

  13. Re: Climate Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually it's the cooler moist climates that the fungus is well suited. It's why frogs in the mountainous regions are hit the most. If anything, global warming would help in this regard.

  14. Re:not related to GW???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm old enough to recall discussions of the frog populations dwindling back in the 70's and 80's and it was being attributed to the increase in acid rain caused by - you guessed it - human generated pollution. The people making the claims are the ones the went from a coming ice age to global warming to climate change and are the progenitors of idiots claiming we're all going to die in 12 years (AOC this year) or 10 years (as Ted Danson stated in 1988).

    Looks like the hate humanity and capitalism crowd was wrong again.

  15. Re:We need toxic white men, not toxic fungi! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >the frogs were living in pristine habitats, unharmed by pollution or deforestation

    And what's the point, then? If they cannot blame Western society, racism, the patriarchy or at least Donald Trump, the finding is worse than useless but in itself racist, misogynist and islamophobe.

    I suggest the responsible scientists should be fired and sentenced to 10 years of compulsory gender sensibility and diversity training.

    Go somewhere and ask your imaginary friend to heal you, you need it.

  16. Re: not related to GW???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice story. Did you make it up yourself?

  17. Re: We need toxic white men, not toxic fungi! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought the elites were responsible. That's what Trump told me.

  18. Re: Climate Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As you very well know, climate change is causing greater extremes throughout the world. Warm places are getting warmer, and cool places are getting cooler. Weather patters are also getting more volatile.

    It's one thing when natural climate changes and it's slow enough for species to adapt to emerging threats created by a changing environment, which mind you are always faster at emerging than the species are to adapt.

    So when climate changes quickly due to human activity, new threats emerge even faster but species cannot speed up their adaptation. Places that were not cool enough for this fungus 5 years ago are suddenly cool enough. It's not like this fungus just crept in slowly over 1000 generations of amphibian reproduction. It just showed up one day and caught these species entirely off guard.

    It's completely foolish and bordering on criminal - nay - it is absolutely criminal - to think that this is not the result of rapid, man-made climate change, and while the GP may have been incorrect about the mechanism, the result is the same.

  19. Re:We need toxic white men, not toxic fungi! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Racists and sexist in one sentence... there is a special place in hell for you!

  20. Re:not related to GW???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    god damn you are a fucking idiot

  21. Re:We need toxic white men, not toxic fungi! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    go to hell you piece of shit

  22. Re:not related to GW???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's an insult to idiots ;)

  23. Re: We need toxic white men, not toxic fungi! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thats funny because its truly what Trump has said in serious statements on multiple occasions.

  24. Re:not related to GW???? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    The fungus spread is due to it being an invasive species being spread by human global trade. So it is still our fault.
    Global Climate change may also have an effect on this as well. As many amphibian are already stressed from changes in their climate, meaning they are less likely to handle the Fungus and other stresses as well.

    The biggest problem is that with our exponential advancements in science and engineering over the last 150 years, we have created changes in our environment at an unprecedented rate where the earths natural balances cannot keep up. The problems are far more complex then Stop Driving Cars, and put up solar cells, also just feeling guilty on what is happening isn't helpful either. However denying the problems exist isn't helpful as well, because the problem is from mankind and we need to work out a balanced solution that will moderate the amount of long term damage we do for short term benefit.

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  25. Re:not related to GW???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems like you are triggered already.

    Either your sarcasm didn't convey, or you're fucking lame.

    GP poster is MOCKING the utter idiocy of "intersectional" and "progressive" triggering.

    The fact that mocking that shit is so fucking easy should tell you something...

  26. Re:not related to GW???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, yes, and the "ozone layer" was another scare tactic they used. Global cooling. Global warming. Acid rain. You name it, they have a scare tactic ready and waitin'. Anything to get their hand in your wallet to pay for their "fellowships" and cushy "pensions".

  27. Re:not related to GW???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know global warming and climate change are the same thing. And is real.

  28. Re: not related to GW???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice story. Did you make it up yourself?

    Nah, the New York Times and The Washington Post and CNN and PMSNBC and the rest of the fake news media did.

    Kinda obvious that they've been LYING for years.

    What's a "progressive" to do?!?!? No point in watching CNN or MSNBC if their lies can't bring Trump down.

    DId you see their ratings in the past week? Down what? 50%? Rachel MadCow is flailing for more fake news to spew.

    That's what happens when your entire business model is to use fake news to troll "progressives" and rile them up and your lies get exposed.

    Now the lies that are obvious to normal people means the "progressive" media have pretty much ensure a Trump reelection in 2020.

    I'm gonna be laughing my ass off at "progressives" when Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Stephen Breyer and Clarence Thomas and maybe 2-3 other Supreme Court justices are replaced by 40-year-old judges approved by the Federalist Society.

    You "progtards" with your overreaching craziness have lost the Supreme Court to conservatives for 30 or 40 years.

    Karma's a CAST IRON BITCH

    I'm laughing my fucking ass off at your craziness. We have what? 6 more years of Trump trolling Ilhan Omar and AOC into even greater heights of obviously divisive and corrosive leftist identity-politics jackassery?

    BWAAAA HAAAAA HAAAAA!!!!!

  29. Ban International Pet Trade!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "probably via the international trade in pet amphibians"

    Who knows how many other diseases & invasive species gained access to whole (Western) World (& still do) because of international pet trade!!!
    & not to mention, how much of those pets get horrible treatment/suffering of all kinds!!!

    How about banning ALL INTERNATIONAL PET TRADE globally/completely/absolutely???

    1. Re:Ban International Pet Trade!!! by tquasar · · Score: 1

      Yeah that'll work. Like banning all the international drug trade.

    2. Re:Ban International Pet Trade!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel terrible that I traded my PET internationally. At least I kept the VIC-20.

    3. Re:Ban International Pet Trade!!! by bjdevil66 · · Score: 1

      In most cases having an exotic pet is ok - but only if you're willing to keep it contained and destroy it when it's time.

      It's that last part that gets forgotten, however. They'd prefer to just "let 'em go", etc. They'll take their exotic turtle that's too big now and dump it in an irrigation ditch. No harm, no foul, right? That kind of stupidity usually works out (the animal doesn't survive out of its element), but not always. It played a role in burmese pythons getting into the Florida everglades. Two morons (Shakespeare fans) in New York City released an invasive bird species into the western hemisphere on an artistic whim. Dumb, dumb, dumb... I'm waiting for king cobras to show up in the Deep South, scurrying through the kudzu vines...

  30. Re:not related to GW???? by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    I would recommend that you get your education in science from more reputable sources then Cable TV

    The problem with these sources is that they are trying to stay interesting all the time. So when they actually report on Science it is often on the far off Hypothesis of the week. The Hypothesis process of the scientific method can be wrong, and usually incomplete. But it is the question that is asked, that requires further research to say yes this is a good idea, or no this is a stupid idea.

    In terms of the new Ice Age 40 years ago, this was based on smog blocking out the sun, We had improvements in many parts of the world to reduce smog, so this was reduced... However during the recent Olympics in China. They found that the weather had gotten noticeably warmer when the Chinese Government Stopped Smog for the days during the Olympics.

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  31. weakened immune system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Isn't there some indication that the bees, bats, and frogs are all dying because of pesticides? The actual agent of destruction, in this case a fungus, taking advantage of a weakened immune system?

    1. Re:weakened immune system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I listened to a podcast recently with a honey bee researcher. The current thinking is that the primary cause of colony collapse is no longer thought to be pesticides. It's still a sizable problem but not the #1 cause.

  32. Re:not related to GW???? by Dunbal · · Score: 0

    Many frogs can change genders. This fungus is killing transgender creatures! This is a transphobic fungus! There you go.

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  33. Re: not related to GW???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, just wow. Feeling better now? LMAO

  34. Re: Climate Change by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

    I guess you missed the part that this is an invasive species.

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  35. Re: We need toxic white men, not toxic fungi! by GLMDesigns · · Score: 0

    Not as simple as that now is it?

    Politicians, such as AOC, Nancy Pelosi, John McCain, are on the record thinking that their office gives them the power to rule. No. They are employees hired to legislate. We are citizens. Not subjects.

    Now, those who want the government to be all-powerful do not see the populace as citizens. They are a herd to be led, if they're docile, or whipped, if they're not.

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  36. trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    dammit trump!

  37. Re:not related to GW???? by Shotgun · · Score: 1

    Which raises a question. Why doesn't Kim have it, with his close resemblance to a frog?

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  38. the cure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I thought they found a cure 4 years ago!

    https://phys.org/news/2015-11-chytrid-scientists-method-killer-fungus.html

  39. Re: We need toxic white men, not toxic fungi! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nah, Alex Jones was almost right. He thought the frogs were turning gay, but they're just shedding their skins and dying nekkid due to this fungus. To someone coming along later, it looks like an orgy that was smited.

  40. Re:not related to GW???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, yes, and the "ozone layer" was another scare tactic they used. Global cooling. Global warming. Acid rain. You name it, they have a scare tactic ready and waitin'. Anything to get their hand in your wallet to pay for their "fellowships" and cushy "pensions".

    The next one will be the magnetosphere changing or magnetic poles swapping.

  41. Re:Who's getting triggered? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    James Comey agrees with the Lock Her Up, if she wasn't part of our ruling elite:

    To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.

  42. This is deep sh*t by whitroth · · Score: 1

    I mean, other than the idiot teenagers and the anti-science supporters of the GOP, everyone knows that frogs and toads are the canary in the coal mine... and this means we are in seriously deep sh*t.

    Interesting question: any chance that this is someone's test gene editing gone horribly wrong?

    1. Re:This is deep sh*t by Alyks · · Score: 1

      I mean, other than the idiot teenagers and the anti-science supporters of the GOP, everyone knows that frogs and toads are the canary in the coal mine... and this means we are in seriously deep sh*t.

      I have no idea how true this is, but perhaps the climate and pollution, etc. not being as significant of factors as this disease means the idea that frogs are an indicator of environmental health isn't as true anymore?

  43. But we were told Global Warming was to blame... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But we've been repeatedly told for two decades that global warming was responsible for the decline in frog populations

    "Global Warming is Wiping out Frogs" http://www.wwf.mg/?56660/Global-Warming-is-Wiping-out-Frogs
    "Frog Extinctions Clearly Linked To Global Warming" http://www.krugerpark.co.za/krugerpark-times-2-20-global-warming-21205.html
    "Frogs in high mountainous areas are most affected by global warming" https://www.savethefrogs.com/d/threats/climate/index.html
    "Climate change could be a greater threat to tropical frogs than deforestation" https://phys.org/news/2016-10-climate-greater-threat-tropical-frogs.html
    (I could continue these citations ad-nauseam)

    1. Re:But we were told Global Warming was to blame... by mcswell · · Score: 1

      In fact, it sounds like global warming could help kill off the fungus, making it better for the amphibians: "The fungus thrives in cool, moist conditions."

  44. Wrong by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Even the summary says that its affecting frogs in pristine environment, with no pesticides and long before global warming was a real concern.

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    1. Re:Wrong by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      Global warming has been a major concern since the 1800s and Svante Arrhenius proved the heat trapping effect of carbon released by burning fossil fuel. Its accumulation as more fossil fuel is burned is well documented in later works by multiple other scientists.

  45. Re: Climate Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is only invasive because of human activity. Same root cause as rapid climate change.

  46. Re: not related to GW???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    New Scientist

    New York Times

    CS Monitor

    Nope.

    Nice try, but you'll have to do better next time.

  47. So we're not to blame by Solandri · · Score: 1

    At least not directly (we're probably transporting the fungus around the globe). That contradicts what I've heard said or implied in numerous documentaries and papers for decades - the top suspects were usually pesticides, or climate change, or habitat loss. It's interesting to go back to a 2008 slashdot article on the topic and see how many people jumped on the global warming and habitat loss bandwagon. The correct cause (the fungus) was even mentioned, but only modded up to a +4. Oh well, at least the top-modded main post is warning people not to jump to conclusions.

  48. Are we sure it's not..? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are we sure it's not Hillary Clinton's Vagina? I think you guys need to check the study results again.

  49. Even just between states... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You hear about people bringing illegal pets with them into another state. I've talked to people in california with ferrets, possums, etc as pets, as well as the more exotic ones.

    It doesn't matter if it is a felony if people think they can get away with it. And short of the panopticon society I don't want to live with, we can't do that. The best we can hope for is having it be nominally legal while providing a way for the government to investigate pets and look for petborne diseases, and do limited quarantines/bans for particularly hazardous species. The additional benefit of this is pristine animals kept as pets may allow a method of repopulation if an infected native population is wiped out, or has to be eradicated to keep it from spreading to nearby populations. People keeping them as pets helps cut down the associated care and maintenance costs for government/university/industry until and unless they are needed.

  50. Re: Climate Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, yes. Global trade has spread this fungas around. But again, to the point, AGW has *fuck all* to do with this specific issue. Just so we're all clear here.

  51. Nice non-sequitur by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump is part of the ruling elite, too, and he's a traitor to his country. What's your point, apologist?

    What does Comey's opinion have to do with anything I said? He's doesn't get all triggered at the mention of Hillary's name, like all you #MAGAtardnoramouses do.

    1. Re:Nice non-sequitur by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay dickless.. Keep being angry.. It isn't gonna grow you an adult sized penis.. Your anger will simply keep making you impotent.

  52. Re: Climate Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody claimed that AGW was the cause. However, Accelerated Climate Change has *fucking everything* to do with this issue.

    It's the hallmark of the intellectually dishonest to confound AGW with ACC.

  53. Re:not related to GW???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know global warming and climate change are the same thing. And is real.

    Real yes.. But probably not man-made.. We certainly didn't cause the mini ice age 250? years ago, and we certainly didn't have anything to do with the climate that existed during the dinosaur times when it was considerably warmer than today.

    We are having an impact, to be sure, but it's really starting to look like it's a minor one.

    We conservatives may not have drunk the kool-aid, but that doesn't mean we don't support a clean environment.. I remember the smog of the 70's and 80's. It was horrible.. Then we got rid of leaded gas and..... geeze, much cleaner air..

    But, there are ways to achieve your goals without bankrupting people. We phased out leaded gas..

    What's the difference if a million people die from bad air versus a million people starving to death due to an economic collapse? A million people are gone either way...

    Anyhow, as has been pointed out, even the FOUNDER of GREENPEACE says it's all bullshit..So yeah....

  54. Re: not related to GW???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dis you know it was possible to lose half of a set, and then lose another half of the remaining set, again and again?
    The trick is to start with a number higher than 8, or even just understand fractions.

    The problem with idiots is they don't realize they are idiots, and neither do other idiots.

  55. Ever wonder why Trump supporters are so angry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Okay dickless.. Keep being angry.. It isn't gonna grow you an adult sized penis.. Your anger will simply keep making you impotent.

    . . . says the Trump supporter, speaking from experience.