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Monotype Launches the First Redesign in 35 Years of the World's Most Ubiquitous Font, Helvetica (creativeboom.com)

Monotype today introduced the Helvetica Now typeface, a new family of fonts that have been carefully and respectfully re-drawn for the modern era. From a report: Consisting of 48 fonts and three optical sizes, the typeface has been produced from size-specific drawings and with size-specific spacing and is the first redesign in 35 years of what many argue is the world's most ubiquitous font, Helvetica. Every character has been redrawn and refit and a host of useful alternates have been added to help brands meet modern-day branding challenges. Espousing the simplicity, clarity, timelessness and global appeal of the typeface's storied tradition, the Helvetica Now design aims to be more sophisticated and graceful than its predecessors. An extremely popular and well-known typeface, the Helvetica family has been used by countless brands and creative professionals, in millions of designs since its inception. The typeface embodies clean and versatile design, and the Helvetica Now typeface continues the tradition established by the Helvetica and Neue Helvetica families while introducing a number of improvements.

115 comments

  1. I think you spelled Mac wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Ubiquitious? No. Apple only? Yes.

    I fucking hate Helvetica because of Monotype's exclusive deal with Apple.

    1. Re:I think you spelled Mac wrong by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I find the business of licensed uses of fonts interesting. It made sense for printed documents, but it gets hairy now with CSS being able to download custom fonts.

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    2. Re:I think you spelled Mac wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, Helvetica is used by more than just Mac users. As a matter of fact, it was created long before Apple was even a company.

      Further reading for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetica

    3. Re: I think you spelled Mac wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You ruined his apple rant

    4. Re:I think you spelled Mac wrong by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Informative

      What exclusive agreement? Adobe licensed Helvetica and shipped it with pretty much every DTP-related product they had on any platform. Helvetica is in every Postscript printer, for example. Those aren't Mac only.

      Helvetica was never cheap to license which meant that Microsoft went hunting elsewhere pretty early on and licensed the cheap (in every sense of the word) knock-off "Arial". But that was a Microsoft decision, it wasn't made by Monotype or Apple.

      You can buy it here.

      I agree it isn't ubiquitous, most of the time a sans-serif font that looks like Helvetica is a knock off or a font inspired by it but redesigned for a specific purpose like the Rail Alphabet. But occasionally you get to see it in its glory, and it has to be said, it's one of the most beautiful fonts in the world.

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    5. Re:I think you spelled Mac wrong by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      (The parent was posted as a reply to the wrong comment, mods.... I guess I have enough karma, so if you could mod this down as redundant I'd be very grateful for your hiding my idiocy.)

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    6. Re:I think you spelled Mac wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No. I will not buy it. I will never buy it. It is a fucking font. It is not worth billions of dollars. I'll use cuneiform on clay tablets before I give Monotype a dime.

    7. Re:I think you spelled Mac wrong by DickBreath · · Score: 0

      Will the redesigned Helvetica have the courage to omit a headphone jack?

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    8. Re:I think you spelled Mac wrong by tigersha · · Score: 1

      Arial is much more ubiquitous than Helvetica, but it has the advantage that all the characters have the same width so you can basically replace the font directly.

      And since Helvetica was licensed to ADOBE for use in PostScript means Helvetica is also used as one of the standard fonts (Times New Roman is the other one) in PDF, which is very ubiquitous. Times was chosen because the first laser printers were very rough and the font was designed for newspaper print in the 30s during, an application where speed of printing took precedence over quality. Times was explicitly designed for rough and ready printers in the old times and when the first rough and ready digital laser printer came out it was a good choice. This was achieved by not having and fine details in the characters that would get lost or damaged by rough paper and ink (and low-res laser toner). It was also designed with a smaller running width so that you could fit more words per line.

      I imagine Helvetica was chosen for similar reasons.

      Apple then later licensed the PDF imaging tech from Adobe and thus, indirectly, from Monotype but there was no exclusive anything. But since they used an embedded version of PDF/Postscript (and still do) they have to pass some licensing fees to MonoType.

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    9. Re:I think you spelled Mac wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find the business of licensed uses of fonts interesting. It made sense for printed documents, but it gets hairy now with CSS being able to download custom fonts.

      They could rename it to HELLvetica

    10. Re:I think you spelled Mac wrong by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      No. I will not buy it. I will never buy it. It is a fucking font. It is not worth billions of dollars.

      Agreed. It's not worth billions. It's worth $35 which is what you can have it for. Or do you say that in general you don't think creative arts are worth paying for? In which case I wish you from the bottom of my heart a "fuck you".

    11. Re:I think you spelled Mac wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Getting paid for useful artistic work is of course necessary and right.
      Seeking payment on a goddamn FONT that's been licensed to hell and back for over 50 years is absurd. The designer himself has been dead for 39 years. The only people getting paid are morally bankrupt MBA types who thrive on selling the work of others.

      It's not even just $35 for it. It's $35 per variation. What to italicize some text? That'll be another pound of flesh.

  2. Still waiting for... by necro81 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm still waiting for an update/refresh of Papyrus typeface!

    How else will James Cameron complete the next 17 Avatar movies?

    1. Re:Still waiting for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      What you really want is "Comic Parchment", formerly known as "Comic Papyrus"

    2. Re:Still waiting for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can not bring that up without linking to this.

  3. Link to actual font by rminsk · · Score: 5, Informative

    https://www.myfonts.com/fonts/... To bad they do not show the font in the article.

    1. Re:Link to actual font by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

      So, if you'd like all 48 versions of the font, it will set you back at least $1,680. Wow!

    2. Re:Link to actual font by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 2
      I've also prepared a version of the article in which every hipster term and approbatory adjective, e.g. simplicity, clarity, wider, clean, versatile, modern, etc, has been replaced by the word "wank". Here it is.

      Monotype has today introduced the Helvetica Now typeface, a wank wank wank and wank wank the wank wank wank to be wank wank. Wank wank wank and wank wank its wank for wank and wank. The wank wank is wank wank wank wank, wank, wank and wank. Wank wank wank wank wank. Written by Andy Mallalieu.

    3. Re:Link to actual font by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1
      Are you sure? The linked article says

      Single weights of the Helvetica Now typeface are available for $/EUR 35 or GBP 30 each. The complete typeface family is available for $/EUR 299 or GBP 249.

      (I had to change the currency symbols because Slashdot still doesn't handle non-ASCII characters correctly.)

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    4. Re:Link to actual font by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

      Good catch. I didn't notice that you could buy the whole set for a discount.

      But even at $300...REALLY??? It's just not that awesome of a font!

  4. Side by side? by chispito · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How difficult is it to show a side-by-side diagram instead of a bunch of mangled composite images of bottles and cut up posters and things?

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    1. Re:Side by side? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      How difficult is it to show a side-by-side diagram...

      No no no - that's not artsy enough.

      Captcha: faiths

    2. Re:Side by side? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      From what I can tell the main improvement is that it works better with screens.

      Back when Apple switched to Helvetica it looked really bad on standard 100 PPI screens, because it was designed for print. With 4k 200 PPI screens it's pretty decent but not perfect.

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    3. Re:Side by side? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That was also what I was looking for, but I'm guessing we'd be disappointed even if they had one.

      In all likelihood the actual differences between Helvetica and Helvetica Now are likely going to be esoteric typography geek things. Like "we adjusted the f-t kerning distance by 0.02 points" or "we increased the radius of curvature on the top of the exclamation point by 4%". Tiny things that are only obvious when pointed out in a direct side-by-side comparison.

      (None the less, Monotype is more than happy to let you pay big bucks for the right to use it. None of your audience will ever notice the difference, but your graphic designer will *insist* on it, lest they seem stolid and boring to their graphic designer chums.)

    4. Re:Side by side? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Otherwise I'll probably assume they made the 'e' look like a 'c' like one site I have been visiting. Making large fonts hard to read is a real art form :O

    5. Re:Side by side? by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      I read the whole FA and was disappointed that they didn't show the original and the new side-by-side. Since I'm not that familiar with Helvetica, the new one could very well be exactly like the old one. I'd never be able to tell.

    6. Re:Side by side? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the article publishers didn't want to license the font?

  5. Font Movie by Only+Time+Will+Tell · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would have never thought a documentary about a font would be interesting, but Helvetica the documentary was actually very interesting. I'd recommend it as an interesting watch on a lazy weekend.

    1. Re:Font Movie by Strider- · · Score: 2

      It's actually part of a trilogy. The other two films in the series are "Objectified" (about industrial design) and "Urbanized" (about architecture and urban design). All three are definitely worth a watch if you are at all a design nerd.

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    2. Re:Font Movie by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Now that Unicode includes a large set of Emoji characters / glyphs, can we please dispense with the Roman 26 character alphabet and communicate and reply to one another using only Emoji characters? Could a new Beta version of Slashdot please enforce this?

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    3. Re:Font Movie by cstec · · Score: 1

      Objectified was surprisingly good; never expected I'd watch it more than once, and I'm not a design nerd.

      Bonus points for having a zeppelin in it!

    4. Re:Font Movie by tigersha · · Score: 1

      We could but the issue of the Emoji font is still unresolved. Do you want you Emojis in Helvetica or Arial? Times? Garamond? Comic Sams?

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  6. Please rebuy your type faces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can I have a subscription?

  7. I hate sans-serif fonts in main text by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1, Interesting

    They have their place all right, but I hate it when the main text in books is printed out in sans-serif fonts. I instinctively feel that I am being treated condescendingly when reading such books.

    1. Re:I hate sans-serif fonts in main text by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Funny

      It sure beats reading monospaced font!

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    2. Re:I hate sans-serif fonts in main text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm a software engineer, I can't read anything unless it's monospaced. Seriously, this post, no idea what it says!

    3. Re:I hate sans-serif fonts in main text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know what you mean. And finding that green zebra paper for the line printer can be a pain in the ass.

    4. Re: I hate sans-serif fonts in main text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use tabs

    5. Re:I hate sans-serif fonts in main text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And those damned kids won't get off my lawn!

    6. Re: I hate sans-serif fonts in main text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't. The coding standard says spaces only.

    7. Re:I hate sans-serif fonts in main text by ZenShadow · · Score: 1

      That's because they put the green zebra on the endangered species list as a result of the overwhelming slaughter that gave us all that green zebra paper.

      You didn't think we stopped using it because it went out of style, did you?

      We replaced it philosophically with the Green Movement. Have to have our green somewhere...

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    8. Re:I hate sans-serif fonts in main text by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      I think the green zebra line printer paper is easier to find than the Hollerith 80 column punch cards.

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    9. Re:I hate sans-serif fonts in main text by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Putinville, monospaced font beats you!

    10. Re:I hate sans-serif fonts in main text by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      You sound like a puppet of Big Green.

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  8. Re:Help stomp out software hoarding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does GNU plus LINUX include Helvetica Now?

  9. Public Sans by jlv · · Score: 5, Informative

    How does Helvetica Now compare? Something that visually shows the difference would have been useful. I can't tell, either at the article or at Monotype's website.

    Meanwhile, also just announced was the free typeface Public Sans, "a strong, neutral typeface for text or display" (https://public-sans.digital.gov/). That page lets you see samples, but the github page (https://github.com/uswds/public-sans) shows excellent side-by-side and overlay comparisons. That is how a new/updated typeface should be introduced.

    1. Re:Public Sans by ffkom · · Score: 1

      So a fork of Libre-Franklin... ok... but they could have written what should motivate people to use it over the likes of the also free, open-source "Source Sans" or "Noto"?

    2. Re:Public Sans by thereddaikon · · Score: 1

      Huh, I had no idea there was a federal web design office. I guess it makes sense. Somebody needs to get the mess that are government websites sorted out.

    3. Re:Public Sans by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Wow, now that is a really beautiful font!

  10. Cue the Helvetica Scenario by brm · · Score: 3, Funny
    Get into your bunkers now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  11. Iono by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Helvetica is one of the standard fonts in PostScript (and therefore PDF). And ghostscript is a free-and-found-on-linux PostScript interpreter. I don't know what exactly it uses but it looks like Helvetica to me.

    1. Re:Iono by sombragris · · Score: 2

      It uses a drop-in replacement look-alike, Nimbus Sans, which was donated to the GhostScript project by the foundry URW++. The foundry donated a full drop-in replacement font package covering the basic 35 PostScript standard fonts.

      More info:
      http://www.tug.org/fonts/deuts...
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  12. Helvetica? Who cares... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Wake me up when they refresh Comic Sans!

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    1. Re:Helvetica? Who cares... by tepples · · Score: 1

      Wake me up when they refresh Comic Sans!

      Good morning! With the free Comic Neue, you can make your lemonade stand look like a Fortune 500 company.

    2. Re:Helvetica? Who cares... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      What a coincidence - I just opened a lemonade stand!

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  13. Given the abundance of freely available fonts... by ffkom · · Score: 2

    ... for all tastes and purposes, I clearly see no reason to ever buy a commercial one.

    Aren't "Source Sans Pro" and "Noto" already "professional enough" alternatives to Helvetica for you?

    And here for the more playful purposes: https://www.1001freefonts.com/

  14. Why? by Zorro · · Score: 1

    All you need is Times New Roman.

  15. not even close to most ubiquitous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Times has been and remains by far the most used font in print. And for sans serif/electronic use, it is Arial, since a) all windows devices default to it, b) it's a core web font.

    Helvetica is #1 on a list of fonts used by graphic designers,, chiefly because it is the default sans font on Macs.

    1. Re:not even close to most ubiquitous by tigersha · · Score: 1

      No, chiefly because it is the default Sans on PostScript/PDF which is what Apple uses widely on MacOS/X

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  16. Anyone else sick of the corporate mushspeak? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The author should be embarrassed for parroting so much meaningless drivel.

    Marketroids are dumbing down the English language.

  17. Swiss Cheese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So why did they call their new fonf 'Helvetica Now' when thatg name is so easy to confuse with 'Helvetica' and they are completely different fonts? (OK so ther're both in the sans-serif class)

  18. Xerox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hated Xerox for the same reason. Before it was common on the Mac, it was licensed to Xerox, which meant it was near impossible to find for GEOS on my C64. GEOS would have been so much more usable with a decent sans-seirf system font.

    1. Re:Xerox by fat+man's+underwear · · Score: 1

      AFAIR you couldn't change the system font.

    2. Re:Xerox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's like 8 people left in the world that are still alive, and used GEOS. Is that you Pete? This is Jim!

    3. Re:Xerox by fat+man's+underwear · · Score: 1

      I doubt that. It was only 30 years ago and lots of teens used it. I was one.
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    4. Re:Xerox by spudnic · · Score: 1

      I used GEOS! And I don't remember Pete. He must have not been in the cool crowd.

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    5. Re:Xerox by tigersha · · Score: 1

      You hate a group of people because they use a specific typeface? What else triggers you?

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  19. why not link Monotype's site? by iggymanz · · Score: 2

    why not link Monotype's site with samples, instead of that eyecandy page?

    https://www.monotype.com/fonts...

    1. Re:why not link Monotype's site? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because then it is an outright advertisement, not a slashvertisement.

    2. Re:why not link Monotype's site? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      why not link Monotype's site with samples, instead of that eyecandy page?

      https://www.monotype.com/fonts...

      You presumably have to pay to access their site?

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    3. Re:why not link Monotype's site? by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      no, you can read that page without paying

      where did you get that idea?

  20. Just in time to fall out of style by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    ...So, what's the next "in" font? Wingdings? Groovey!

  21. Re:Given the abundance of freely available fonts.. by ip_vjl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given the abundance of freely available fonts ... for all tastes and purposes, I clearly see no reason to ever buy a commercial one.

    This just means that you don't know what kerning is, probably don't need or use ligatures, don't reproduce the font at very large sizes, and don't need to ever convert the font to tool paths (such as a cutter, or router).

    If you did, you would know that there is a WORLD of difference between most freebie fonts and ones that have been painstakingly worked over.

  22. Poor Marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're not supposed to cut and paste the press release.

  23. Helvetica is not free by Comboman · · Score: 1

    Monotype isn't into the whole "giving things away for free" bit (Helvetica Now is $42 for each version). If it's in Linux (legally), it's not Helvetica.

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  24. "most" ubiquitous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So it's more everywhere than the other things that are everywhere?

  25. And Futura still kicks its ass. by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    Helvetica is best in the way that it is sort of kinda an acceptable replacement for Futura if you want/need an alternative and have money to burn for stupid and obscenely high license fees. This new one is no exception. I totally get and applaud IBM for calling it quits with this stupid shit and building their own font and releasing it as open font after spending tens of millions on licensing fees for 7+ decades.

    As for Helvetica now: They actually improved Helvetica, AFAICT, that's neat, but Futura still owns the crown and will probably only lose it when we as a culture switch to a different alphabet or something. That's my opinion anyway.

    I for one am sticking with Open Sans because it's just as acceptable a not-Futura Font and you don't have to deal with the douchebags at linotype when you use it.

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    1. Re:And Futura still kicks its ass. by tigersha · · Score: 1

      Avenir and Avenir Next are the replacements for Futura, fonts widely used by me personally

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  26. Re:Given the abundance of freely available fonts.. by chill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    None of which explains this level of douchieness:

    This font's webfont license is: Pay As You Go

    You get a total number of prepaid pageviews that can be used over time. This means that you will pre-pay for a number of pageviews, then you'll have to come back to order more after your site has been viewed that number of times.

    For example, if you order 250,000 page views, when your webpages using the webfonts have been viewed 250,000 times, you will need to buy the webfont package again for an additional number of prepaid pageviews.

    A usage meter in your order history will help you know how many prepaid pageviews you have left. You can check your usage at any time, and pre-pay for additional pageviews here as well.

    We will send an email notification when you have used 75% of your prepaid pageviews, and another reminder at 90%.

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  27. Why fix it if it ain't broken? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    Is it possible some copyright is expiring and something is going into the public domain? So all action must be taken to preserve and perpetuate the income stream of the rent seekers?

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  28. Marketing has been busy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jesus that is a thick slathering of marketing speak if I ever saw some.

  29. Re:Given the abundance of freely available fonts.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hahahahaha. Good luck, guys.

  30. Really, they want to justify charging $1500 for it by ebunga · · Score: 1

    It's difficult to say, "yeah, we haven't touched this in 30+ years so that will be $1500 for the files" so they're going to fluff out a lot of man hours, mostly marketing and advertising bullshit, and then watch the checks roll in. Mono(poly)type at its finest.

  31. Really distracting to read by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 2

    An ideal font in my view is one that essentially gets out of the way and lets your brain focus on the actual content, and this one misses that mark. Looking at samples of actual blocks of text, there are two visibly different baselines: one for letters made of generally straight strokes like i, f, t, and v, and a slightly lower one for letters containing a loop like a, b, e, g, and s. It's just a pixel or two, but more than enough to be a distraction. Unclear if it might become less noticeable over time, but I don't get what useful purpose it could serve.

    1. Re:Really distracting to read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is so that it looks like it was typed on an ancient underwood typewriter with a floating baseline.

    2. Re:Really distracting to read by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      Ugh... that page is essentially full-screen video without the video. That is what happens when you get an artist to do the job of a designer.

    3. Re:Really distracting to read by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      An ideal font in my view is one that essentially gets out of the way and lets your brain focus on the actual content

      Sounds like you have a use case that relies on conveying textual information. That is only a small subset of use cases for fonts.

  32. Re:Given the abundance of freely available fonts.. by apoc.famine · · Score: 4, Funny

    Come on now, I think we all know what keming is.

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  33. The Public Sans fonts are free. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2

    Mod parent up. Links given above, made active:

    Public Sans Regular.

    Github page.

    Public Sans seems far better than Libre Franklin.

    1. Re:The Public Sans fonts are free. by jlv · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I screwed up when I put the links in parens and /. didn't linkify them.

  34. The typeface of Big Brother by swell · · Score: 1

    Every serif expunged, every trace of humanity. Clean cold and impersonal, Helvetica is the font of the robotic future where practical reigns supreme and there is no room for art. It is the font of Big Corporations and Big Government, the font of authority and control. There is no place for friendliness or personality in Helvetica. No warmth, no character, no love.

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    1. Re:The typeface of Big Brother by ffkom · · Score: 1

      In our robotic future, the only font we'll need is the laser-tattoo QR-code on our fore-head, which only serves as a back-up to the mandatory RFID-implant. Fonts were made for human reading, and are thus unnecessary under robot rule.

    2. Re:The typeface of Big Brother by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Love is more than just giving scribes repetitive stress injuries, you know.

    3. Re:The typeface of Big Brother by tigersha · · Score: 1

      Too much fuss. Mr Robot Overlord wants to know who you are, he shoves a needle into you and check up on the DNA.

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  35. Re:Given the abundance of freely available fonts.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But if I have "download font-file viruses and worms" turned off, then webfonts are NEVER downloaded and NEVER rendered. Does that mean that I don't count? Perhaps I should recompile the browser with a "download webfonts to /dev/nul at least 1,000,000 times for each reference" option?

    Just to make them get their money's wort, of course.

  36. Re:Given the abundance of freely available fonts.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one cares.

  37. Re:Given the abundance of freely available fonts.. by ffkom · · Score: 1

    I know very well what kerning is and what bad kerning looks like. But fonts like "Source Sans Pro" have none of that. And while Adobe is unable to write a single not-security-flawed line of code, they are still competent in authoring fonts.

  38. Agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Actually, going back to cuneiform will eliminate a lot of hate speech for two reasons. First, there were fewer hateful words in the past. Second, only educated people will know the language.

  39. Re:Given the abundance of freely available fonts.. by Solandri · · Score: 1

    That actually sounds pretty typical for photographic/typographic work. The license fee depends on the number of copies you print out. Back in the print newspaper/magazine days, the license fee for a photograph depended on the page it would be used on (cover was most expensive, pages near the front were more expensive than ones near the back), coverage (full page was more expensive than half page was more expensive than quarter page), and number of copies which would be printed.

    For online sites, that last one would correspond to the number of page views. Not saying it's right or the best way to do it. Just that their license is pretty much a direct transferal of print license contract to online use.

  40. What type is supposed to look like by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 1

    Helvetica is everywhere for a reason. So is Times Roman. Classic typefaces, what type is supposed to look like.

    The last time I did serious font research was designing maps for a GPS-based asset-tracking system. I wanted a font that was distinctive, but not too distinctive. After some looking through Adobe's font catalog I settled on Myriad. It worked fine until word came from On High that we must emulate the visual appearance of Google Maps. So be it.

    I use Souvenir for my resume, BTW.

    ...laura

    1. Re:What type is supposed to look like by tigersha · · Score: 1

      Fonts have very specific technological application. I once saw a font that was specifically designed for maps but I can't find the link now. There was an example on the site and it looked really readable.

      The map fonts are very specifically designed for legibility in very small sizes.

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  41. Re:Given the abundance of freely available fonts.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like the pay-as-you-go model from Adobe. No longer can you outright buy PS/LR, install and run it for 10 years. Then MS copied this with Office365. Subscriptionware spreads to FONTS!!!!
    There are tens of thousands of absolutely free fonts, down to a few dozen if you want something that looks like Helvetica (old, new, whatever). And of those at least 3 will have been well finished in terms of kerning and in-font details.
    Pay? Per style within a family of fonts? Twice the price of many other fonts, and then only good for N impressions? NO.

  42. Helvetica is revered, but by Snufu · · Score: 1

    nothing will ever match the elegance, austerity, and gravitas of comic sans.

  43. Arial Now by doctortofu · · Score: 1

    Mess with them Helvetica nerds: http://fancyham.com/shirts/Fan...

  44. Re:Given the abundance of freely available fonts.. by ravrazor · · Score: 1

    Sometime soon, Adobe is will let PS and the rest of their software either go subscription or the way of Flash...They don't really care much. Adobe is very much a (scary) data analytics company from now into the foreseeable future...

  45. One major flaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have they made any effort to make the uppercase 'I' distinct from the lowercase 'l'?

  46. Re:Given the abundance of freely available fonts.. by tigersha · · Score: 1

    Fonts are a technology. It is an interesting tech, because there is a lot of art involved, but they are still a technology to enable people to read words. And with any technology there are a many trade-offs for different use cases. And they have a loooooooong history, primarily drive by the tech that was available back then.

    For instance, the font used to highway signage was painstakingly designed to enable a driver at high speed to see and read a road sign at the maximum distance possible. This was meticulously tested at the Federal Test Road in Texas.

    The problem is the glare of headlights shining on the sign, which blurs the letterforms. The typeface has a large X-height and the counters (the spaces in the font) are as big as possible to minimize the impact of the blurring.

    It means that fonts like these (Vectora and Interstate are prime examples) are good for signage but make crummy normal headline fonts for corporate brochures.

    Another example: Time New Roman does not have ver fine details because it was explicitly designed for newsprint in the 30s and printers in those days for newspapers were printed on rough, cheap paper and printed very fast so the letterforms need to be robust. This is also why Adobe used it for PostScript. Times was also explicitly designed with a narrower running width so as to put more words on a line, thereby saving paper and ink.

    There are also the very fint details of fonts involving ink trapping and the fact that the lines are thinner in the design than they look because the ink flowed around the printed letter, in effect blurring it (a problem that laser printers do not really have).

    And then the whole can of worms of different cultural and technological impact that fonts have. Fonts were desgned in specific places and times this process was driven by the technology available at that time. You see different fonts in use in France (lots of old thin Modernist fonts) Switzerland (Helvetica and Univers everywhere) and the USA.

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  47. Re:Given the abundance of freely available fonts.. by tigersha · · Score: 1

    Adobe has one of the most competent digital typography teams on the planet.

    I am going to visit the Plantin-Moretus Museum in Antwerp on Friday where the original dies for Garamond are displayed.

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  48. Re:Given the abundance of freely available fonts.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know you're just informing here, and not advocating for this pricing model. But I have to point out the biggest flaw with it.
    With print, the cost of printing is pretty high. You're only going to send one copy of anything to a person, and you're only going to send copies to people who you can make money off of.
    With the internet. The cost of "printing" is almost free, and you send a new "copy" every time a user looks at your content. Imagine getting charged for printing a magazine with Helvetica in it, then getting charged every time someone picked up that magazine, then every time they turned a page. And worse, most people who visit your website don't make you any money. Usually only ad clickers do. The pricing scheme is whack, and there's really no excuse for it. It's 2019. These people can't keep pretending the internet is new.

  49. Link to download the Public Sans font? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    I was unable to find a place to download the Public Sans font.

    Do you have a link?

    1. Re:Link to download the Public Sans font? by Sabriel · · Score: 1

      You can download the files that compose the individual iterations from the Github site you linked:

      Webfonts are available in fonts/webfonts
      Opentype fonts for installing locally and for print applications are available in fonts/otf
      Variable fonts should be considered experimental, but can be found in fonts/variable
      Source files are available in source as Glyphs files.

      E.g. traversing to fonts/otf/PublicSans-Regular.otf will bring you to the page where you can download the OTF file to install the Public Sans Regular font.