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EU Tells Internet Archive That Much Of Its Site Is 'Terrorist Content' (techdirt.com)

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the stranger-things dept.

Mike Masnick, reporting for TechDirt: We've been trying to explain for the past few months just how absolutely insane the new EU Terrorist Content Regulation will be for the internet. Among many other bad provisions, the big one is that it would require content removal within one hour as long as any "competent authority" within the EU sends a notice of content being designated as "terrorist" content. The law is set for a vote in the EU Parliament just next week. And as if they were attempting to show just how absolutely insane the law would be for the internet, multiple European agencies (we can debate if they're "competent") decided to send over 500 totally bogus takedown demands to the Internet Archive last week, claiming it was hosting terrorist propaganda content. [...] And just in case you think that maybe the requests are somehow legit, they are so obviously bogus that anyone with a browser would know they are bogus. Included in the list of takedown demands are a bunch of the Archive's "collection pages" including the entire Project Gutenberg page of public domain texts, it's collection of over 15 million freely downloadable texts, the famed Prelinger Archive of public domain films and the Archive's massive Grateful Dead collection. Oh yeah, also a page of CSPAN recordings. So much terrorist content!

199 comments

  1. They should tell the EU... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    ... most of your activity is quasi-Soviet Authoritarian bullshit.

    1. Re:They should tell the EU... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      From TFA:

      CORRECTION: This post previously identified the sender of the 550 falsely identified URLs as Europolâ(TM)s EU Internet Referral Unit (EU IRU). The sender was in fact, the French national Internet Referral Unit, using Europolâ(TM)s application, which sends the email from an @europol.europa.eu address. The EU IRU has informed us that it is not involved in the national IRUsâ(TM) assessment criteria of terrorist content.

      So it's actually just the French, not the EU.

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    2. Re:They should tell the EU... by Poorcku · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter. They use EU implementation to achieve their goals.

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    3. Re:They should tell the EU... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So a gun manufacturer is responsible for a shitbag murdering a bunch of people with it?

    4. Re: They should tell the EU... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if he was a politican and by law the only one allowed to handle a gun

    5. Re:They should tell the EU... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      From TFA:

      CORRECTION: This post previously identified the sender of the 550 falsely identified URLs as Europolâ(TM)s EU Internet Referral Unit (EU IRU). The sender was in fact, the French national Internet Referral Unit, using Europolâ(TM)s application, which sends the email from an @europol.europa.eu address. The EU IRU has informed us that it is not involved in the national IRUsâ(TM) assessment criteria of terrorist content.

      So it's actually just the French, not the EU.

      I believe that the French are part of the EU. Or did they do a Frexit? They were following a tool that is part of the EU's tools for control of the Internet.

      While you for some odd reason see this as some exoneration of the EU, I see it as just a sneak preview of how the EU's power that it has granted itself is very destructive. All it will take is for the various EU subunits to declare anything they don't like as terrorist, and demand that knowledge be eliminated.

      Something tells me that there will be a lot of information stored away from the EU's gentle hands.

      Forbidden knowledge and history you know.

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    6. Re:They should tell the EU... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I think the whole thing is fake. The institution that the claim purports to come from doesn't seem to exist.

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    7. Re:They should tell the EU... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      France is a subset of the EU. However it is not THE EU.
      There's 27 other subsets that the EU is comprised of (still counting the UK).

      As of yet there is no such tool to follow. TFA even states that this law is up to a vote next week. From that it follows that demands like these have no legal basis whatsoever.
      As others have pointed out there appears to be no such institution in France to begin with.

      The most likely scenario is that this is a some kind of 'hacktivism' intended to show how absurd the consequences of such a law could be.

    8. Re:They should tell the EU... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      France is a subset of the EU. However it is not THE EU.

      There's 27 other subsets that the EU is comprised of (still counting the UK).

      I admit that calling France "The EU" was bait on my part. But that was a large portion of my point.

      The most likely scenario is that this is a some kind of 'hacktivism' intended to show how absurd the consequences of such a law could be.

      Exactly, exactly, exactly.

      Let us take a completely possible scenario. One of the EU members was tha cause of a huge kerfuffle during the last century. With the ability to demand that anything that might be considered "terrorist" encouragement, they could invoke a demand to remove everything they find that references their shady little group. Almost like rewriting history, or the ultimate right to forget.

      Couldtheywouldthey? I dunno. But history shows that the same tools imposed by good people can also be used by those with less noble motives.

      I look at this, and see some big problems waiting in the wings.

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    9. Re: They should tell the EU... by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Welcome to anti EU news. Often entirely made up. All that bullshit makes it so difficult to fight the real issues.

    10. Re:They should tell the EU... by Megol · · Score: 1

      And Stalin was part of the humanity. This fails your argument at the first sentence as something A being part of something B doesn't make B equal to A - basic logic.

    11. Re:They should tell the EU... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      And Stalin was part of the humanity. This fails your argument at the first sentence as something A being part of something B doesn't make B equal to A - basic logic.

      Your idea of "basic logic" is most amusing.

      Now Old Smokin Joe was pretty much the Alpha and Omega of the old Soviet Union. But he didn't speak for the US, or Great Britain. But you can bet his word was law within his own country. Care to deny that?

      France is a part of the European Union. And if they send out data/history destruction notices under the auspices of the EU, anyone getting a notice like that is going to assume that if it was sent, it was meant. Care to deny that?

      Likewise, if they got the same destroy or else notice from the Man of Steel, they'd probably think it was a joke or scam.

      You see, the point isn't even who is who is what. The point is that the EU is considering a modern day version of book burning. The whole issue in this case is that apparently the modern book/data burning law hasn't even passed yet. So some folks have likely taken it upon themselves to give the world a little illustration of how the book/data burning law is going to operate.

      Declare something terroristic, or whatever the bugaboo of the day is, and inform the recipient of the penalties under EU law if they don't abide by the demand. All the perp has to do is claim the authority, and most people will obey. We've seen it all before.

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  2. Well, to the publishing companies anyways... by sconeu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To the publishing companies, ANYTHING freely available is terroristic content.

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    1. Re:Well, to the publishing companies anyways... by DigiShaman · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Serfs down't own the right to have content.

      That's how the EU globalist elite see themselves, as lords. And, they're partly right. They are neo-feudalists that control both physical and intellectual property. You don't get to own it, only lease it; if they deem it safe to do so and doesn't threaten their establishment.

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    2. Re:Well, to the publishing companies anyways... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's why the publishing companies invented Copyright -- to stop other publishers!

      The first copyright privilege in England bears date 1518 and was issued to Richard Pynson, King's Printer, the successor to William Caxton. The privilege gives a monopoly for the term of two years. The date is 15 years later than that of the first privilege issued in France. Early copyright privileges were called "monopolies," particularly during the reign of Queen Elizabeth, who frequently gave grants of monopolies in articles of common use, such as salt, leather, coal, soap, cards, beer, and wine. The practice was continued until the Statute of Monopolies was enacted in 1623, ending most monopolies, with certain exceptions, such as patents; after 1623, grants of Letters patent to publishers became common.

      As the "menace" of printing spread, governments established centralized control mechanisms, and in 1557 the English Crown thought to stem the flow of seditious and heretical books by chartering the Stationers' Company. The right to print was limited to the members of that guild, and thirty years later the Star Chamber was chartered to curtail the "greate enormities and abuses" of "dyvers contentyous and disorderlye persons professinge the arte or mystere of pryntinge or selling of books." The right to print was restricted to two universities and to the 21 existing printers in the city of London, which had 53 printing presses. The French crown also repressed printing, and printer Etienne Dolet was burned at the stake in 1546. As the English took control of type founding in 1637, printers fled to the Netherlands. Confrontation with authority made printers radical and rebellious, and 800 authors, printers and book dealers were incarcerated in the Bastille before it was stormed in 1789. The notion that the expression of dissent or subversive views should be tolerated, not censured or punished by law, developed alongside the rise of printing and the press. The Areopagitica, published in 1644 under the full title Areopagitica: A speech of Mr. John Milton for the liberty of unlicensed printing to the Parliament of England, was John Milton's response to the English parliament re-introducing government licensing of printers, hence publishers. In doing so Milton articulated the main strands of future discussions about freedom of expression. By defining the scope of freedom of expression and of "harmful" speech Milton argued against the principle of pre-censorship and in favour of tolerance for a wide range of views.

    3. Re:Well, to the publishing companies anyways... by dryeo · · Score: 2

      Things did change in England after the Glorious Revolution with Parliament refusing to continue the Stationers monopoly and introducing the modern type of copyright where after 14-28 years (35 years grandfathers clause) works entered the public domain as well as copies going to famous libraries (Oxford and Cambridge).

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    4. Re:Well, to the publishing companies anyways... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus fuck, can you retards not link to anything better than Wikipedia.

    5. Re:Well, to the publishing companies anyways... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      And your link is WHERE again?

      Instead of just complaining how about offering a solution as well?

    6. Re:Well, to the publishing companies anyways... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.copyrighthistory.org/cam/index.php

    7. Re:Well, to the publishing companies anyways... by Megol · · Score: 1

      And this is upvoted... Is there any hope for humanity when something failing so thoroughly in everything is seen as truth when truth is now so easy to find?

      We need a new internet where every user have to prove they are capable of logical and critical thinking before being granted access.

    8. Re:Well, to the publishing companies anyways... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need a new internet where every user have to prove they are capable of logical and critical thinking before being granted access.

      Megol is such an anus licking fuckwad! Good thing he's not in charge of that scheme!

  3. Block and by policy ban all EU users by damnitalready · · Score: 1, Troll

    Let them deal with the headache of sorting this sh-t out.

    EU, California, all these other commie hellholes that want to regulate an international network can go f themselves.

    If I decide to host the Project Gutenberg page of public domain texts on my machine in Florida, who the hell is the EU to tell me I must take it down?

  4. Insane in the EU brane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "In an insane world the truly sane must seem insane"
    Movie - Serial 1980

  5. Re:Lol history, by wolfheart111 · · Score: 0

    You have grasshopper :)

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  6. Embarrass the EU by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just put a message for EU ip addresses that reads something like:

    "Due to EU Committee X takedown notice 123456 claiming this site had "terrorist content", we have blocked this content for EU readers. Our internal review of the site found it did NOT qualify for a take-down, but to avoid legal hassles, we decided to block it for now. You can donate to our legal defense fund at [url here]. We apologize for the inconvenience."

    Further, publish a list on the Internet Archive site of all take-down requests, including a note marking the dubious requests. The Streisand Effect will then kick in and the EU review committee will end up embarrassed as those who can read the blocked content overseas can know about their poor decision.

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    1. Re:Embarrass the EU by sconeu · · Score: 4, Informative

      They're bureaucrats. They have no sense of shame, and therefore can not be embarrassed.

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    2. Re:Embarrass the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yes, embarrassing.

      And no one in the EU will care.

    3. Re:Embarrass the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A bureaucrat that does not create busy work has no job. In order to justify their existence, they must keep regulating. Even if the reason for their position to exist has been fulfilled. You can't possibly say job done, move on to something else. You just keep tightening the ropes tighter and tighter beyond practical reason, because that's how your job is defined.

    4. Re:Embarrass the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      AOC, Bernie Sanders, and all the Dems want to bring a Eurostyle vision of big brotherism to the USA. Censorshop, take down notices, high taxes, gun confiscation, Muslim overlords, and terrorism, are all headed your way thanks to the Democrat Party.

    5. Re:Embarrass the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, just take away their seat at the grown-up table if they keep screaming that mushrooms are illegal in THEIR meatloaf. When they see there's only three items on the kid's menu, they'll ask to be allowed to access the world's servers again.

      I'm not picking through your fucking food for you, especially when you're the one who grabbed the loaf. Either do it yourself or eat the damn thing. YOU (ie your citizens) requested access to the world's files, and we allowed the visitors. The wordplay has gotten out of hand.

      All of this applies even BEFORE the extremely questionable definition of mushrooms TFS says became immediately exploited.

    6. Re: Embarrass the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recognize you from long ago.
      Werent you posting crap for Ron Paul here back in the day

    7. Re:Embarrass the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that list is declared 'terrorist content' in 3...2...1...

      Here's a question...how long until somebody C&Ds a DNS provider claiming their IP address is 'terrorist content'? There is no way this thing is written narrowly enough to exclude that.

    8. Re:Embarrass the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AOC, Biden, Bernie Sanders, and all the Dems want to bring a Eurostyle vision of big brotherism to the USA. Censorshop, take down notices, high taxes, gun confiscation, Muslim overlords, and terrorism, are all headed your way thanks to the Democrat Party.

    9. Re:Embarrass the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That will do nothing. The EU's own courts will uphold the claims because otherwise would be very costly, and justice will be shot in the face as usual.

      What sites need to do is DOXX all of those who drafted and voted in favor of this abomination. They need to stop waking up in the morning, and a bill challenging these measures introduced the next day. Rince and repeat until those still alive finally get it through their heads what will happen if they do not turn this shit around.

      This, like every other time, will work *for a time*, until in three or four generations we've forgotten and gone back to our peaceful commoner ways where violence is never the answer no matter what violence is being done to us to warrant the response.

    10. Re: Embarrass the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's unfortunately true. And even if anyone would care, there are mechanisms within EU member nations that will stop any effect. It's over.

    11. Re: Embarrass the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Won't happen. European citizens do not protest unless their own means of living are on the line and even then - see the "Gilet Jaunes" movement - they are ineffective and only lead to even more draconian laws passed. Do you see any coverage of everyday misery in Greece? No, because it has been decided you do not need to see it. It could cause "confusion among viewers", you know. Nobody protests about limitations to freedom of the press. Most journalists in Europe exercise strong self-censorship and if they do not, the editors do.

    12. Re:Embarrass the EU by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      the EU review committee will end up embarrassed

      Bureaucrats will always seek to maintain the problem their bureaucracy was intended to solve.

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    13. Re:Embarrass the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We care! we voted for Brexit and we WILL leave despite the best efforts of our parliament to block it.

    14. Re:Embarrass the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > You can donate to our legal defense fund at [url here].
      are you just begging?

      In EU, as far as I know, I am an educated EU citizen, you are innocent until proved guilty.
      So, if you stand is true an well documented, WTF worry about complainers?

    15. Re: Embarrass the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are traitors.
      And it's a shame they do not hang yet.

    16. Re: Embarrass the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but we can enjoy spanking them regardless

    17. Re:Embarrass the EU by Megol · · Score: 1

      A bureaucrat is someone implementing something the decision makers ordered them to - if you want to complain direct that towards the decision makers. What you are describing is something illegal as a bureaucrat isn't allowed to make law, just regulations how to implement the laws they are given to enforce.

    18. Re:Embarrass the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I concur. As an european citizen, EU bureaucracy is not only shameless, but also very far from citizen influence. And EU leadership is very, very intent on curtailing individual freedom. It's both better and worse than in the US. Better, because EU-level power institutions (army, police, secret service) don't yet exist. But worse, because the checks and balances you have in the US have yet to be invented, and so there is no common sense.

  7. So let me understand this correctly by 3seas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A few people, some very small fraction of something far less than 1% of a population of 7.5+ billion people are going to decide something that affects/constrains the populations access to a massive amount of information.

    Where/When have we seen this sort of act before in our human history? i.e. Library of Alexandria

    1. Re:So let me understand this correctly by damnitalready · · Score: 2

      That's exactly it, so why play ball?

      Oh, you don't want your section of population accessing our content, then they're not allowed. Why bend to every whim that some grey haired politician comes up with? Let them deal with the outrage when the people can't access X or Y

    2. Re:So let me understand this correctly by sheramil · · Score: 4, Funny

      Where/When have we seen this sort of act before in our human history? i.e. Library of Alexandria

      That's one hell of a take-down notice. Don't give them any ideas.

    3. Re:So let me understand this correctly by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Where/When have we seen this sort of act before in our human history? i.e. Library of Alexandria

      But you REMEMBER him, that was his entire point. Otherwise he'd just be a nameless face in the crowd.

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    4. Re:So let me understand this correctly by Livius · · Score: 2

      But you REMEMBER him, that was his entire point.

      I honestly have no idea who you mean. Historians certainly have no consensus as to who was most responsible for the library's destruction, or even in which century the worst things happened. Or did you mean the founder, who was proabably one of the Ptolemies?

    5. Re:So let me understand this correctly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What was most responsible for the destruction was not a "who", but a "what": centralization. Any knowledge of importance should be freely distributed and thus naturally redundant. Granting monopolies on ideas and knowledge is a backward concept which concentrates, centralizes, and suppresses enlightenment and progress. It imposes artificial scarcity where there is none, to the detriment of all but a few. It is perplexing how many defend IP, even though it almost exclusively benefits owners who exploit the actual creators and inventors. Look forward to rent-seeking and stagnation in perpetuity.

    6. Re:So let me understand this correctly by Livius · · Score: 2

      Before the printing press the scarcity was not artificial. Intellectual property wasn't even an idea until the modern era.

    7. Re:So let me understand this correctly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better have a limited access than burn big part of the world heritage of one cultural area at once.. So the metaphor doesn't work very well.

    8. Re:So let me understand this correctly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what you are saying is:

      "...that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties."

      I demand and apology!!!

    9. Re:So let me understand this correctly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, copying was more work, but not doing so was just as foolish. Nowhere in that comment was an assertion, or even implication that they had IP back then, but it is the modern analogue that threatens us with centralization again.

  8. all i ever got from Internet Archive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    was a bunch of old radio programs with expired copywrite so they are free for anyone who wants them
    https://imgur.com/a/Kd1enGj

  9. Sauce for the Gander by resistant · · Score: 1

    What with the apparently relentless rise of right-wing parties across Europe, it's inevitable that a right-leaning prankster with "authority" as defined by the European Parliament decides to send out mass demands for removal of far-leftist content on the grounds that it inherently promotes terrorism. The resultant political hullabaloo will drive up popcorn sales and produce millions of liters of hot air, but I'm not sure whether European national agencies or lawmakers would learn anything about the law of unintended consequences.

    Personally, I think I'll whip up a batch of Buffalo-style hot chicken wings when that happens and lean back into the couch to enjoy the show.

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    1. Re:Sauce for the Gander by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      a right-leaning prankster with "authority" as defined by the European Parliament decides to send out mass demands for removal of far-leftist content

      While I might agree that C-SPAN leans left, I'm fascinated to hear that you think the entire Gutenberg collection is "far-leftist content".

    2. Re:Sauce for the Gander by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on from what perspective you're looking at things.
      The overlap between European and US right is mostly about nationalism and xenophobia, they're against globalization in most forms.
      From the continental Europe perspective of the far-right, a lot of things that do not agree with them are on the left side of the spectrum and should be destroyed.

      You see, the right wing there isn't about a capitalistic economy, free speech, freedom of religion and that stuff. They're only for free speech if it is their speech. They are only for freedom of religion if it is their religion. So yeah they're mostly about nationalism and an authoritarian government that ensures freedom does not get into their way.

    3. Re:Sauce for the Gander by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CLUE: "Far right" is how the EU cultists describe people who want democracy in their own country. People who don't want to be ruled by a giant unelected, unaccountable super state.

      So yes... there's been a rise in that. In reality, the far right basically don't exist. It's one or two idiots and a dog.

  10. Peppi Le Pew poos his pantaloons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " This web site uses cookies. Click OK to make this page covering banner go away"

    "Your hearing is very important. We won't let you enjoy anything we think is remotely loud until you press OK"

      When will everybody grow a pair, and tell Peppi-Le-Pew to shut the fuck up already?

      Hell, if the Islamic extremists don't completly trash the place and make all the women there wear a bee keeper's outfit in public at all times, we have a 51st star ready to put on our flag if we decide to take western Europe under our wing. Russia can have the eastern half.

    1. Re:Peppi Le Pew poos his pantaloons by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      Hell, if the Islamic extremists don't completly trash the place and make all the women there wear a bee keeper's outfit in public at all times, we have a 51st star ready to put on our flag if we decide to take western Europe under our wing. Russia can have the eastern half.

      yes, but then they'd be our problem.

    2. Re:Peppi Le Pew poos his pantaloons by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Yea, that poster has bumped their head.

  11. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  12. Oh FFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So public domain is about to become terrorism? I know that many would like to have it be that way, and end fair use as well, but seriously stupid.

    How the heck are you supposed to defend against this other than perhaps seeking default judgment beforehand? That probably wouldn't even work...

  13. Proposed Response Letter by Thelasko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dear Government Authority,

    We have reviewed your request regarding the alleged "terrorist" content on our website, and found the request to be baseless and nonsensical. As a result, your agency has been placed on our "incompetent authority" list. All future requests from your organization will be ignored.

    If you believe your organization has been placed on the "incompetent authority" list in error, please send a certified letter stating your petition along with a 125 Euro processing fee to our legal department.

    Good Day,
    The Internet Archive

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    1. Re:Proposed Response Letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting. Could the Internet Archive send them a bill for work done in an attempt to comply with a bogus takedown request?

    2. Re:Proposed Response Letter by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We have reviewed your request regarding the alleged "terrorist" content on our website, and found the request to be baseless and nonsensical. As a result, your agency has been placed on our "incompetent authority" list. All future requests from your organization will be ignored.

      That appears to be exactly the intent. Someone is trying to poison the well. Considering the 'Terrorist Content Regulation' doesn't exist yet, any demand to take something down by its authority is bogus regardless of the targeted content. This was not an accident, and the Internet Archive was selected specifically because it is known that they resist demand letters reflexively.

      It won't change anything though. Big content owners have money and money buys politicians. End of story.

    3. Re:Proposed Response Letter by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      Far too cordial. I'd prefer "SUCK ON MY STAR SPANGLED COCK", but that's just me.

    4. Re:Proposed Response Letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Big content owners have money and money buys politicians.

      It all means nothing if voters don't reelect them. Don't piss and moan about the people *you* vote for, vote them out. If people can't be bothered, oh well, you're just shit out of luck, but you still can't blame your troubles on the people that win. The voters fucked it up, not the money...

    5. Re:Proposed Response Letter by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      This country needs millions more with your attitude. Sadly, we've just about run out of people like you, people who will stand up for something and not give a damn what others think.

    6. Re:Proposed Response Letter by Martin+S. · · Score: 1

      The Internet Archive should be expected to have the technical competence to detect emails spoofing before publishing what amounts to fake news.

    7. Re:Proposed Response Letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear EU Government,

      Less than 80 years ago when the Nazi's took over, they burned books and tried to purge Europe of its rich history in order to institute the total nightmare that was the 3rd Reich.

      I know your people are a simple people, for example, they are only able to use Base 10 because they have 10 fingers, hence the metric system, but surely for all of your invaluable culture and We're trying to wipe out an archive that is there to remind us not to make the same mistakes again.

      Are we really going to do this again?

      Sincerely, the country that this time around,
                      + Has a standing army and navy a order of magnitude larger than yours,
                      + Enough Nukes to really, genuinely wipe out all trace yof your civilization,
                      + A larger economy and no Patience for your BS.
                      + Happens to host the internet archive.
      Your bestest of Pals and closest of friends, The United States.

    8. Re:Proposed Response Letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Nazis banned around 30,000 books. The EU and liberal tech giants have far exceeded that number today.

    9. Re: Proposed Response Letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US should just overthrow the UK, whose govt is illegitimate, then use that as a staging base for forward operations into the rest of the EU.

      Between that and Poland Hungary Italy the Euocrats will be caught in a pincer movement and have nowhere to go.

      Nothing left for the Godless fascists but bunkers and cyanide.

    10. Re:Proposed Response Letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one has the technical competence to detect email spoofing unless the spoofed sender has extra, and very rare, security protocols in place. That's what the email story about google being the first major email provider to have a solution to that problem was about.

      The technological security ignorance on this site is deafening.

    11. Re:Proposed Response Letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Email spoofing can be combated with DKIM, which is widely deployed.

      The gmail story was about MTA-STS and TLS, which is about message secrecy.

    12. Re:Proposed Response Letter by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I'm starting to think it was a case of hacking. Although the email apparently came from an official address, the agency it claims to be from doesn't actually exist. There is no institute with that name.

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    13. Re:Proposed Response Letter by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

      Yesss. Speaking as a German, this is a matter where I will be happy if the USA tell the EU to fuck off. There are many things I do not like about US politics, but in terms of free speech I greatly prefer the USA over Germany.

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    14. Re:Proposed Response Letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever dug around on internet archive? There is actually a ton of terrorist content.

  14. Re:Internet Archive is evil. by darkain · · Score: 5, Informative

    1) robots.txt retroactively will delete things from the archive. Just create one telling the archive to skip certain content, and the archive will obey.

    2) I just spent the past couple weeks digging up over 20 years of my own history thanks to the Internet Archive. All of this was previously published software, some 70 different projects. I've been pulling their archive and a couple others, mixing it all together, organizing it, and republishing a lot of the old software projects online via GitHub so anyone can use them freely. Hell, to be entirely honest, half of these projects I had even forgotten I did! Without the archive, all of this would have been lost. Now that the code is in git repositories, I've been able to quickly and easily mirror it to several places and properly archive it myself. They're a godsend!

  15. Typical Techdirt Schtick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not sure why you'd link to Techdirt instead of the original sources; it's not like Techdirt does any reporting or adds anything substantive. They take information available elsewhere, reblog it, and make it worse/troll for views by adding some "all governments are stupid and evil" commentary.

  16. That story is strange by aepervius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Firstly it was corrected to not say "EU" but "French national Internet Referral Unit" for which I can find no reference beside that article. There IS an EU IRU, but no french national IRU I can find of. So baring a proper reporting I am viewing that as dubious.

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    1. Re:That story is strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's because "Internet Referral Unit" is a functional description used by Europol (I assume), not the name of the agency.
      The articles do report the name of the agency, it's the OCLCTIC.

    2. Re:That story is strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PS :
      oh well, crap, I've just probably misread it so I "corrected" you for nothing.
      Maybe these IRUs are internal committees of Europol, or "French IRU" refers to another French agency, or just a list of people or again, a function filled by some people (could be the gendarmerie unit tasked with watching nasty things on the Internet for example)

    3. Re:That story is strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As mentioned in the article update, the take down notice was from the Lâ(TM)Office Central de Lutte contre la Criminalité liée aux Technologies de lâ(TM)Information et de la Communication (OCLCTIC).

      Translated relevant section:

      This office deals with the most important computer cases that are referred to the central management of the Judicial Police .
      Decree No. 2015-125 of 5 February 2015 allows him to block a website by simple administrative decision, outside the authority of a judge for sites "provoking acts of terrorism or by apologizing and sites displaying pornographic images and representations of minors ".

  17. They'll just double down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's what people do, when their *BELIEF* is questioned.

    Because there is no logic or sense behind it in the first place.
    Only an intense *feeling* stemming from an irrational trigger that (in their minds)/associates everything else but that as literal actual death. (As in: The end of their existence.)

    Look up acute psychosis in paranoid schizophrenia.

  18. Re:Internet Archive is evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Um... yeah. Except most don't still own ancient domains. Or even owned them in the first place.
    2. So because you personally found a (weird) use, everyone else should suffer?

  19. It's time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's time to go full P2P over TOR for everything. The Web is dead.

    1. Re: It's time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those services will be made illegal and blocked at the ISP level. The mere act of having it installed will carry a prison sentence. If you can be sent to prison for 14 years for having a text file on your hard drive, what do you think will happen to those who have "terrorism-enabling software" in their systems? God help you if you are or have ever been a developer: retroactive law, instant sentence.

  20. Re:Internet Archive is evil. by Shikaku · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You ever look into history? The reason we write things down is because it is or was important. "On the internet" doesn't change much with writings except the method of writing.

    Just like what another poster said, the Internet Archive respects robots.txt and will retroactively delete a site if you set it that way.

    Also even though the written texts are on a different medium, digitally versus paper, some writings will hold huge historical value; to suggest otherwise would be akin to burning books because they're "blasphemous" or something similar, and while you might want that for your own data most people would want this historical backup, especially scholarly sites like Wikipedia and the public domain books that can be distributed freely forever.

  21. Or maybe... by gregstumph · · Score: 1

    ... it wasn't "as if they were attempting to show just how absolutely insane the law would be for the internet," but rather an actual attempt by persons within these multiple European agencies to demonstrate the implications of this law. If so, it seems to have had the desired effect or drawing attention to the matter.

  22. Re:Internet Archive is evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    everyone else should suffer?

    Yes... we have the right to record, archive, and display anything we want. Now we just need the technology to enforce and protect that right... Don't like it? Oh well, tough titties. Gotta defeat the censors somehow, whatever it takes.

  23. Gutenberg was a terrorist! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    His invention decimated the livelihoods of THOUSANDS of monks!

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  24. GeoBlock the EU by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe content hosts should simply geoblock the whole the EU with a message of explaining the outcome of this?

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  25. They are right about CSPAN by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Total nest of terrorists in those recordings

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    1. Re: They are right about CSPAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Project Gutenberg is full of terrorist propaganda like Robin Hood, Ivanhoe, the Scarlet Pimperel, Alice, Gulliver, and Hamlet.

    2. Re: They are right about CSPAN by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      "They seek him here, they seek him there, that darned illusive Pimpernel!"

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  26. An different from the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find it very strange, how ALL countries got so paranoid and totalitarian and just plain nuts and evil since between 1998 and 2006.

    Those countries look like they couldn't be more different. Yet the somehow all follow the same path.
    Seriously, what the hell?

    Yeah, I put on my tin foil hat, with its perfect parabolic concentrator shape. ;)
    But you face what is *really* just a plain verifiable fact of reality, and verify it for yourself, in exchange.

    1. Re:An different from the US? by anegg · · Score: 2

      I find it very strange, how ALL countries got so paranoid and totalitarian and just plain nuts and evil since between 1998 and 2006. Those countries look like they couldn't be more different. Yet the somehow all follow the same path. Seriously, what the hell?

      Accepting (for now) that your premise is true, what could have brought that about? The answer would appear to be the general availability of Internet communications (aided and abetted by significant increases on communications speed and storage capabilities).

      Visionaries and early adopters saw a lot of good in it; but it turns out that the technology itself is morally neutral, and can be used (both deliberately and accidentally) for both good and evil. We are still dealing with the aftermath of this radical change in communications capability. We haven't figured out how to keep the good (or even what IS good in some cases) and avoid the bad.

      The ability for marginalized individuals to discover they aren't alone and to form virtual communities that give them the strength/power to be heard - generally good, but not when their outlook is evil.

      The ability for anyone anywhere to publish information available to the world? Often good, but can clearly be used for evil.

      The ability to amass huge quantities of data for analysis? Mixed bag... sometimes good, but often very bad especially when those collecting the data are shrouded in secrecy and using the results of analysis to further their own aims and not benefit society at large.

      There is a big down side to most of the technological advancements in communications and storage over the past 20 years or so. We might disagree on some of the details, but I would be surprised to find anyone (at least on Slashdot) who didn't see some potential for misuse.

      I personally don't fully agree with the "right to be forgotten" (because of the potential for gross abuses) but on the other hand I don't think the stupid things the 20 or 30-year earlier version of some did should be used to judge them today, never mind condemning someone because their early political/economic thoughts contrast significantly with their current political/economic thoughts.

      Automated license plate readers that law enforcement can use to help them apprehend lawbreakers? Great! Using automated license plate readers to feed a massive distributed database that eventually can track an individual vehicle everywhere it has been, even going back days, weeks, or years? Ripe for abuse.

      I could go on, but I think all of us could. The question is, what are we going to do about it? Are we going to participate in public dialogues with the aim of sorting out how to keep the good and reject the bad, or just engage in flame wars over small details while corporate/authoritarian interests extend their power and control?

    2. Re:An different from the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it very strange, how ALL countries got so paranoid and totalitarian and just plain nuts and evil since between 1998 and 2006. Those countries look like they couldn't be more different. Yet the somehow all follow the same path. Seriously, what the hell?

      Accepting (for now) that your premise is true, what could have brought that about?

      It's as if there were three or four international banking families who control the major media and political parties in multiple countries, can decide who gets enough publicity to get elected, can have their puppets plant their own people in charge of the spy agencies, and will use national security authority to increase their personal profits while suppressing any political opposition, and they have so much power that it's illegal to talk about them in some countries and will certainly cause you to lose your job in others.

  27. Re: AOC and the Dems and Eurostyle by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So far Republicans aren't advocating "punching commies" or trying to take down Project Gutenberg.

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  28. Re:Internet Archive is evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The difference is that things of actual importance tend to get written down, saved and passed along. Archiving every word on the internet is not preserving things which pass a test of significance. It's just saving every word babbled on the medium. Some thoughts are better off forgotten with time.

  29. Re:well JEW KNOW huh huh huh hi goys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ogrish.com used to have lots of footage of american soldiers air land and sea destroying people places and things overseas.

    It was censored from the web including the wayback machine. (archive.org)

    Do you see a problem with permitting removal of data? Hiding shit governments do wrong etc

  30. Frexit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Congrats, this is how you get Frexit. Although I am not sure anymore if it is to save France from the EU or the EU from France...

    Not sure if this is heavy handed intimidation or perhaps public servants warning us all!
    This take down notification is a joke but someone is telling us this could happen for real. Of course, anti-terrorism laws are used against political opposition already so it's a given what the new one will be used for.

    There's a demonstration for public liberties in Paris this Saturday, 2 PM / 14:00 Place de la République (technically not a yellow vests protest)

  31. Re:Internet Archive is evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    >archive.org isn't "useful" just because you found some weird use
    Wow. It takes a certain bravery to argue that archive.org isn't useful.

    >everyone should suffer
    Save the victimspeak for a more PC/SJW topic. Sure: I demand control over what others document, because *my* authority over their papers is what matters, everyone else can just suffer.

    Seriously, go fight over the erosion of privacy on private affairs, the shared (ie sold) data of actions/events we DIDN'T openly broadcast, in the billions of invisible databases we unknowingly swim among, and exist in.

    Yes, it's concerning to see similar omniscience in PUBLIC spaces, a future diseased with LPRs and facerec, but I give that a back seat because I can't morally believe I have control over information that's in the wild. Controlling info that WASN'T is something I feel more entitled to.

  32. Re:We still have our guns. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The US federal government, with its arsenal of tactical nuclear weapons, fighter jets, smart bombs, tanks, helicopters, etc., is afraid of the small arms of the masses?
    No, that's not what's standing in the way of tyranny.

  33. Another fake reason to leave by Martin+S. · · Score: 0

    The emails sender was spoofed.

    So this is lies just like all the other leaver arguments, millions of turks flooding the UK - lie, hundreds of new trade deals - lie, £350 million per week extra for the NHS - lie, bent bananas, etc. all lies.

    1. Re:Another fake reason to leave by AxeTheMax · · Score: 2
      You're still lying. The bendy bananas article was a 'joke' that was designed to become, and has become part of the folk wisdom of the credulous part of the leave crowd. Bendy Boris should be proud of his shit-stirring skills.

      https://www.theguardian.com/po...

    2. Re:Another fake reason to leave by Teun · · Score: 1

      The arguments of the leave side during the referendum were often based on false information (lies) with £350m bus being a grand example.
      They conveniently forgot to mention the +£800m in lost trade...
      Bent bananas and cucumbers are another example of how fake the British tabloids are, they can definitely be sold in the EU but not as 'Class 1' products.
      Let's see where these bent cucumbers end up after a cold Brexit :)

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    3. Re:Another fake reason to leave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except photos of the bus clearly show it said £350.
      And it's actually a tiny figure compared to the NHS budget. You're talking about increasing it by 0.3%, that wouldn't actually go that far.
      Meanwhile the cost to each household of EU membership is actually pretty small each year. To get the same benefits you'll end up spending more. For example if we leave with no deal we'll loose EHIC and it will cost you more to insure your family each year for holidays in Europe than to get that healthcare for free via EU membership.
      It's also been shown to have been referring to the gross cost of EU membership, before the rebates return most of it and the other less tangible benefits of membership on things like GDP. The net amount is far far smaller, and debatably could even be nonexistent. It's a terribly oversimplified statistic picked specifically to spin the argument to leave by picking as large a figure they could find and pick a worthy recipient. In reality the NHS would not actually receive the money previously allocated to brexit, it will instead first have to go on replacing the EU subsidies that some UK industries rely upon or risk them collapsing.

    4. Re:Another fake reason to leave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The argument for leaving is that the EU is that it's an unelected right-wing conglomerate which views democracy as a silly thing to be ignored when it interferes with the investments of the upper-classes.

      Naturally, after the democratic process delivered something they didn't like, they put - as they have many times before - all their efforts into overturning that decision. They did it in Greece - where they happily killed people and stole others' pensions in order to bail out private companies which had made bad business decisions - they did it in Ireland - where they had a referendum re-run and made it clear that it would be re-run until the correct result was obtained.

      What's strange about all this is the underlying assumption that countries which killed (and lost) millions of people fighting for democracy can have it taken off them without any danger of bloodshed. There's an unreality about people like Donald Tusk who don't grasp just how serious this question is, and how close to the cliff they're steering Europe in general. Civil war is literally not an option which is off the table; but they live in a world where everyone just does what they're told to do, or bribed to do, and have forgotten that in the real world there are people who care passionately about democracy and freedom and are literally prepared to die for it. Tusk's class privilege tells him that's just something that happens in books. They can have heating turned off in hospitals of "bad" countries; push youth unemployment over 40, even 50%; flood Dublin with homeless families; and think there can be no consequences to them in their well-guarded ivory towers. They're wrong, just like Charles I was wrong, just like Ceauescu was wrong.

      Immigration? Don't care.
      Bananas? Don't care, never did.
      Primary legislation being brought forward only by an unelected aristocracy with no accountability to those they rule? Yes, sorry, I do care.
      Constant price inflation to help the banks manage their bad-debt? I care.
      Jobs-for-life to incompetents who toe the party line while wrecking lives across Europe? I care.

      And if you don't then you are an enemy of the People. You know, the People who out-voted your side in the referendum and who you now patronise as being fools who believed the most trivial of lies, of being too stupid to have the vote because they had the nerve to not vote "correctly"?

    5. Re:Another fake reason to leave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only people going on about passport colour, bananas and empire are Remoaners.

      The Leave voters I speak to are talking about the future. About restoring sovereignty and democracy - the big, fundamental things. The things that the west springs from.

      Meanwhile, Remoaners sit in little circles nattering about how Brexit supporters are stupid uneducated, small minded Nazis - and making up lies about medicines to scare patients and dreaming up the next apocalyptic Brexit prediction. Or stroking off about how virtuous and daring they are vehemently supporting a giant unelected state.

    6. Re:Another fake reason to leave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bus said 350m a day, this is simply not true.

  34. Re: Internet Archive is evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But we don't know which thoughts those may be

  35. Re:Internet Archive is evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anarchist Cookbook and other such docs are Internet Archived, and also available at texfiles.com.

    (don't make the C4, LSD, or ricin recipe there, they're designed to kill the cook, it's a honeypot book published by feds)
    Captcha: Agents

  36. Re:The Eu and "terrorist content" - LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think this is the bigger risk or the full picture.
    1) Terrorism carried out by muslims born into their own European countries is a significant risk no matter the refugees. They're at most adding to the problem but not creating it
    2) Refugee waves are caused by terrorism and here is what the media is not allowed to print even though everyone knows it : European countries supported terrorists in order to bring down Libya and Syria. They and the mainstream media relayed calls to arms for years, and did more. Even Israel recently admitted they collaborated with terrorists. (but they probably still denounce terrorism when other terrorists or organizations are concerned).

    Cause and consequence : refugees do cause unrest, some crime and a little bit of terrorism but terrorism caused refugees more than refugees caused terrorism. Sadly, terrorism was used by European countries, the US and other "allies" in an enterprise of demolition and destruction of functioning states. This is what must come to an end, you must deal with the cause of floods of refugees not the consequences.

  37. Th EU by AHuxley · · Score: 0

    again going after free speech, freedom after speech.
    Every EU nation will have content it wants off the web.
    German history.
    The UK with how English is used.
    France with funny political memes..
    Spain with any news about Catalonia.

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  38. Re: AOC and the Dems and Eurostyle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one listens to your crap.
    Here's some evidence: you post here!!!!
    I know you get 25 pesetas per successful post and you are so poor that it is needed to survive in your shithoal island nation.
    You could supplement your income by dressing sexy and servicing gay sailors over at the nearest US Navy base

  39. Re:Internet Archive is evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Way to blame other people for remembering that you behaved like an asshat.

  40. Re:Internet Archive is evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not even remotely the same. First of all history, before the mess we have now, was abridged. If you wanted to find something you had to actually go to a library. The author was known, the history of the text was known. Hell the library you went to was known. What we have now is realtime, cross referenced searching with little context let alone trust. Was the link an ad or placed result?

    Regarding the "burning books" bullshit, what the hell do you think sites do every day when they remove messages? I'm not talking about spam, entire threads are removed with little trace. On sites like Reddit and Github it's not only removed from the threads, but the posters history. In effect, memoryholed and done with remarkable calvery.

    This is a made in California problem.

    I like the IA, really I do. But they give companies and governments legitimacy to engage in such practices to begin with. It's so big that should they be knocked off the Internet for some reason, recovering that data would be staggering. Much like libraries needed to keep copies of some texts due to their contested nature, the IA must as well. They will not be able to simply ignore court orders.

  41. Everything is evil! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    God damn, I am so sick of hearing "$WHATEVER is evil!"

    Internet Archive is not evil, and neither is Google, or MS, or the little bakery down the street.

    It's the PEOPLE who run these things that are good, evil, or maybe just plain incompenent. Change out the bad/corrupt people, and suddenly, the company is no longer 'evil'.

  42. Re:Internet Archive is evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) robots.txt retroactively will delete things from the archive. Just create one telling the archive to skip certain content, and the archive will obey.

    1. Um... yeah. Except most don't still own ancient domains. Or even owned them in the first place.

    Do you not know how to numbers either? Parents "1" is on robots.txt. What the hell does anything in your "1" have to do with that?

    Did you mean to claim most people don't have a website, and that their website they don't have was archived?
    Because robots.txt is a file you put *on your website*

    If you personally don't even value stating your public comments shouldn't be public, why should the rest of the world put any higher value on it either?
    If you can't handle your public words being public, perhaps you should stop putting your words in public.

  43. Re:Internet Archive is evil. by fafalone · · Score: 1

    Well you can only protect people from their own stupidity so much. I knew not to publish certain things under accounts linkable to my real identity since I was a kid on AOL. I like that I can use this nick to trace my activity back through the decades, but as it can be linked to my real name always knew not to post anything I wouldn't defend in public. Sorry, but anyone who thought they had any control over information over the availability of information transmitted to a 3rd party site is a fool.

  44. Re:We still have our guns. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A bunch of goathearders with small arms have brought both Russia and the US to unending frustration in Afganistan.
    You're a tard.

  45. what a coincidence by slashmydots · · Score: 0, Troll

    Much of the EU's population is terrorist content too and they don't seem overly concerned with that. Start with acid and truck attacks first, THEN maybe whine about the internet archive.

  46. Re: Internet Archive is evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No one knows what will be important to future generations or why.

    You are assuming your own omniscience, and demanding omnipotence as a consequence.

    You need more self doubt.

  47. This is likely intentional by pestilence669 · · Score: 1

    Look like youâ(TM)re incompetent and go after harmless content, so you have plausible deniability for when you take down speech that is incongruent with political ideology.

  48. Re: Using the usual takedown filth companies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Home run. Perfect pitch for your times.

    The revolution is coming. I'll see you at the barricades.

  49. Re:Internet Archive is evil. by Graymalkin · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Internet Archive's robots.txt policy was amended two years ago. They now ignore robots.txt policies and want people to make a formal request to remove a site's archive. What's been unclear (to me) if this corrected the issue of new robots.txt files making old archives of sites unavailable. What often happen(ed|s) is a domain squatter picks up an expired domain that used to host something, blocked IA, and then IA would make all of that site's archives unavailable. This almost always meant content a previous owner of the domain had hosted.

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  50. How to counter EU nonsense once... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and for all:

    Instead of popping up those stupid warnings that the whole world now has to deal with (the latest now "OMG trrism")
      Lets make all site visitors in the EU contend with a giant modal "DANGER! YOU MIGHT BE OFFENDED OR SCARED BY THIS CONTENT! CLICK OK TO CONTINUE!" banner that covers the entire window until "OK" is pressed. Throw in a couple rounds of "Are you really sure?" before the box goes away and the content is accessable

        Make sure it covers the entire page and plays a very loud siren. Make it so it always pops up on every single page they try to navigate to.

        This will be a good time to put asshole Javascript tricks to good use, such as disabling right clicking. When an EU user tries to right click on a page, pop up a message (again, big modal banner, loud siren) saying that that function has been disabled to protect them from copy/pasting any potentially offensive content. Make sure that if an EU user tries to disable Javascript in their browser, make it pop up a page with nothing but a message saying "Javascript is required for EU citizens to view this page" I would add a picture of a mean smiling clown for good measure.

      Maybe the EU will wake up and the next time one of their glorious leaders pulls a stupid stunt, the whole EU gets 'punished'.

      While I am usually against group punishments, maybe stuff like this will motivate the citzens of the EU to tell their glorious leaders to keep their mouths shut about stuff they know not about, and stop playing the micromanaging nanny.

    1. Re: How to counter EU nonsense once... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Instead of popping up those stupid warnings that the whole world now has to deal with (the latest now "OMG trrism")

          Lets make all site visitors in the EU contend with a giant modal"

        Wow this got a bit corrupted :| What I ment was because EU politics led to those hearing/cookies warning boxes, we should fire back at the EU with 'boxes' of our own, directed only at site visters in the EU. The "OMG trrism" excuse is just their latest little grab for more power and control.

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  52. While they don't document it clearly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was lead to understand they normally hold onto, but do not display material from sites whose robots.txt changes to deny mirroring. So the content that was archived is still archived, but new content may not be. I agree however that they need to use the robots.txt downloads to determine if content was approved for distribution on the date it was mirrored and only follow later robots.txt entries for later mirrored files.

    Having said that, I have found archive.org invaluable, but also horribly incomplete. Looking for old software and particularly difficult to hunt down archives (whether old 90s era binaries/patches for old games, mods, or key patch archives/old utilities for reproducing versions of linux/windows/mac software in order to reproduce original behavior for forward porting), lots of it isn't there.

    Having said that, no one else seems to be even trying to attempt what archive.org does, and I thank the originators of the project for it, even if it was done for less than altruistic reasons initially. It's going to be the only reason any knowledge over a 20-30 year period was saved along with key metadata to tie it all together. As more and more of the internet is lost or commercialized, it's becoming harder and harder to keep clear and chronological records of what happens on the internet and ensure that data and knowledge will be preserves for future generations in a referential manner.

    Last comment: Someone skilled needs to create an ebuild spider for archiving gentoo files for archive.org. As it is right now there are many externally referenced files hidden in developers personal home directories that get deleted when they 'update' a package, causing legacy versions of patchsets and other assorted works which aren't clearly documented to be lost, making it difficult if not impossible to reproduce old iterations of gentoo which may be necessary for software archeology purposes. Having archive.org automatically spidering ebuilds and downloading those files into web.archive.org entries would be a huge boon for future generations and developers.

  53. Re: AOC and the Dems and Eurostyle by Required+Snark · · Score: 3, Funny

    Shut up! Don't give the R's any more crazy ideas about the interwebnet thing. I think they're still hung up on the idea of a bunch of pipes and that was too complex for them to understand.

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  54. Re: Block Alt-Left extremists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who is EU? 1984 în the making. And the Dictator ---- a bunch of alt-left Globalist. They declared cultural war against anything or anyone they can't control.

  55. Re: Embarrass the EU Left. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean in short Alt-Left.

  56. Leaking Internal Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    multiple European agencies (we can debate if they're "competent") decided to send over 500 totally bogus takedown demands to the Internet Archive last week, claiming it was hosting terrorist propaganda content. [...] And just in case you think that maybe the requests are somehow legit, they are so obviously bogus that anyone with a browser would know they are bogus.

    Sounds like some people are not very happy with the work of the EU Commission and decided to protest it like this.

  57. Nope by aepervius · · Score: 1

    While gendarmerie is tasked with some of the internal security, it is mostly motorized and rural part of france. For such a task force it would be the national police, far more probably the counter terrorism part of it (something similar to GIGN but for internet). The fact also top levels url were chosen looks to me far more probably an error than a malice (or heck is even the email mentioned somehow open and somebody was hacked and now the troll is having fun is far more probably than trying to censor the internet archive - i am not excluding it but on the probability scale it is doubtful).

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    1. Re:Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here you go (this page especially mention child porn. it used to be that the public and media was most concerned about children meeting pedophiles on MSN Messenger)
      https://www.gendarmerie.interieur.gouv.fr/Zooms/Cybercriminalite

      I agree with you, we don't know who did this.

  58. Re:Leave the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, at this point the UK should just leave.
    Then maybe the people will realize that it wasn't simply the EU who did all these things to them. Maybe they'll realize that it is mostly their own politicians who just used the EU as a scapegoat for justifying their own shitty agendas by "just following orders".
    Poland and Hungary are evidence enough that internal resistance is quite possible as long as the national government is willing to do that.

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  60. Historical precedence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the digital equivalent of book burning.

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  62. Re:Leave the EU by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

    The only valid reason for the UK to leave the EU is to stop blocking sensible directives, like this one:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/...

    The UK is a crappy EU member and de Gaulle was right to veto the British membership back in the day.

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  63. Re: We still have our guns. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Poe's Law is a bitch.

  64. Re:Internet Archive is evil. by houghi · · Score: 1

    I would prefer to have had a robot,txt that does an include, not an exclude. So opt in and not opt out. Oh well, bit late now.

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  65. No, Commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The censors are commies at heart.

  66. More leaver lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bent Bananas were never banned, that is another lie. The UK already classified bananas, that classification was harmonised, it was a reduction of state bureaucracy not a ban. The hundreds of trade deals waiting to be signed do not exist, they never did, so another lie. Parliament was always sovereign, c.f the Miller case, yet another lie. You just cannot stop yourself lying or being abusive when called out! A characteristic common to most leavers.

  67. Still lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NHS funding was cut by £80 billion because austerity.

    The promise of a pitiful increase nearly a decade later, presented as both the end of austerity and a brexit dividend, undelivered and promised for some indeterminate date in the future from proven liars; Occam's razor calls that a lie and you either a fool for believing it, or liar for repeating it.

    So which are you a fool or a liar?

  68. Re:Leave the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Correct. The UK is different from the EU. Always has been.

    UK democracy and the institutions representing it have existed longer than most EU countries have AT ALL, COMBINED - Remoaners might one day stop and think about why that is.

    The UK has a culture and tradition of refusing to be told what to do by the state.

    In the last 40 years we've seen a foreign power take UK money, then give some of it back, demand that it sits under an EU flag... not a UK one. We've seen it grab more and more of the state to itself and move it further away from ordinary people. The EU is a sovereignty gobbling machine. It has wormed its way and bought off a large part of the political and media class in the UK.

    And that's the conflict you see today.

    Ordinary people who still believe the UK should be run by UK citizens vs those who represent the EU first and foremost and have been betraying their own nation, history and culture.

    I keep seeing idiot Remoaners saying the old robbed the young of their future. Not only is this argument proof that Remoaners will stop at nothing (including turning children against their parents/grandparents), but also it's also profoundly ignorant. The old people voted for decisions in this country to be put in the hands of future generations of UK citizens. Not Brussels. You can't get a more shining example of faith and trust.

    I fucking hate Remoaners for that disgusting argument alone, if nothing else.

  69. Re: AOC and the Dems and Eurostyle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    DIpshit ignores Sander's supporters going around shooting members of the House. Blames GOP for it.

    Not only are you supporting political assassination, you are then attempting to blame the targets of it for the reason. You and your opinions are invalid.

  70. Re:Leave the EU by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

    UK democracy and the institutions representing it have existed longer than most EU countries have AT ALL, COMBINED - Remoaners might one day stop and think about why that is.

    Because for the most part of its history it has been a demockracy at best.

    The UK has a culture and tradition of refusing to be told what to do by the state.

    Since the UK is a state, it would mean that it has a tradition of refusing to be told what to do by itself. Fair enough, the current shitshow where the parliament refuses every possible option shows exactly that. But that's not quite something to be proud of.

    In the last 40 years we've seen a foreign power take UK money, then give some of it back, demand that it sits under an EU flag... not a UK one.

    Yep. So the citizens of the UK would see that while their own government prefers not to invest in the poorest regions of the country - and they are often poorer than Romania - the EU does. Which makes these regions voting for Brexit and them consequently become even poorer really funny - at least for those who don't live in the UK.

    It has wormed its way and bought off a large part of the political and media class in the UK.

    Since, as you have mentioned previously, the political and media class in the UK is very different from the EU (and very anti-EU), I call bullshit.

    Ordinary people who still believe the UK should be run by UK citizens vs those who represent the EU first and foremost and have been betraying their own nation, history and culture.

    Given the questionable quality of the English political class the UK really ought to be run by foreigners - they simply make better decisions. That was true during the times of the Normans, that was true when England was ruled by the Dutch and the Germans and it is just as true today.

    I fucking hate Remoaners for that disgusting argument alone, if nothing else.

    You won. Deal with it.

    Oh, by the way. I'm still waiting for the riots you guys have promised if the UK wouldn''t leave on the 29th of March. As far as I know this is called "all mouth and no trousers" in your country.

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  71. Re: We still have our guns. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Look at the UK.

    They are bent into a pretzel, imprisoning their citizens for misgendering trans people, or stating a basic fact about Islamic extremism.

    It is terrifying knowing that those same bumbling fascist imbeciles have access to weapons of war with no check from their own citizens.

  72. Obvious false flag. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The emails were spoofed therefore the only open question is how much of a role did Chris Butler pay and it doesn't look good for him. He certainly has the skills to tell the difference between spoofed and real email; given he's taken an active role attacking the EU on multiple occasions using the IA blog. At the very best he has jumped to an unsupported conclusion, at worst a purveyor of false propaganda.

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  74. Re:Leave the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Since the UK is a state, it would mean that it has a tradition of refusing to be told what to do by itself. "

    Yes... the people of the UK don't like being told what to do by the state. It's a long history of it. I understand why this confuses you, being a Remoaner who clearly can't read or process abstract concepts.

    "parliament refuses every possible option shows exactly that"

    Parliament voted for the withdrawal agreement - WITHOUT THE BACKSTOP. Write it down, idiot. Stop watching the media.

    "Since, as you have mentioned previously, the political and media class in the UK is very different from the EU (and very anti-EU), I call bullshit."

    Yes, I assume you actually read the part about "in the last 40 years"... oh right. Remoaners don't bother to look at context.

    "Given the questionable quality of the English political class the UK really ought to be run by foreigners - they simply make better decisions"

    LOL. This sums it up really. This is the response to the idea that people should live close to those the represent. Remoaning in a nutshell.

    "Oh, by the way. I'm still waiting for the riots you guys have promised if the UK wouldn''t leave on the 29th of March. As far as I know this is called "all mouth and no trousers" in your country."

    I didn't promise any riots. I personally promised sabotage - which I'm quite happily engaging in. Toodle pip.

    Good to know you support riots though. We'll see what happens in the forthcoming elections.

  75. Re: AOC and the Dems and Eurostyle by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

    So far Republicans aren't advocating "punching commies" or trying to take down Project Gutenberg.

    I regularly see violence advocated against the left. Free helicopter rides ring a bell?

    Moreover though, forget advocating violence, alt-right terrorism is actually happening, which, a tiny number of exceptions aside, isn't happening on the reverse. The right wing are shooting up schools and Yoga studios because they hate women and/or blacks. They're burning down black churches. They're shooting up the people inside other black churches. They're shooting up Waffle Houses. They're sending bombs to CNN and Democratic congressmen and women and even anti-Trump celebrities.

    And I want to make something clear: this isn't a "Nuh, your side is worse" thing. This is a "The fact you are this out of touch is why the violence is happening thing." Somehow, perhaps because of the news sources you choose, perhaps because you're tuning it out, you're ignoring the extreme violence perpetuated by the alt-right over the last three or more years. And that's making it easy for our current government to ignore it too, because they know there's no votes in going after alt-right terrorism.

    Open you're god damn eyes.

    Also the EU anti-child-porn/terrorism squads are what's going (wrongly) after Project Gutenberg, you'll find no support for them from the left on this. The fact you need to imagine left wing support for nonsensical censorship should make you stop and ask yourself why you're having to reach to link violence to the left.

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  76. Re: We still have our guns. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Neither the US or the USSR have made a serious effort in Afghanistan.

    It just lets them bleed off a bit of pressure.

  77. Re:Leave the EU by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

    Yes... the people of the UK don't like being told what to do by the state. It's a long history of it. I understand why this confuses you, being a Remoaner who clearly can't read or process abstract concepts.

    You seem to have a problem with reading comprehension. I do want the UK out of the EU. Matter of fact, I'd prefer you'd never joined in the first place. Moreover, I am not even British and I've only ever visited the UK for half a day, strictly for business reasons. It's not a country I'd like to visit in my spare time - the weather is notoriously bad and the people are unfriendly.

    Parliament voted for the withdrawal agreement - WITHOUT THE BACKSTOP. Write it down, idiot. Stop watching the media.

    Yes, except no because this never stood to vote since there such thing as the withdrawal agreement without the backstop. They also voted against any other possibility, even against no deal.

    Yes, I assume you actually read the part about "in the last 40 years"... oh right. Remoaners don't bother to look at context.

    In the last 40 years the British media has been very hostile to the EU, so I still call bullshit, and, in addition, call you stupid.

    LOL. This sums it up really. This is the response to the idea that people should live close to those the represent. Remoaning in a nutshell.

    So you think Manchester and Liverpool should be ruled by Ireland and Cornwall by France? That's... unexpectededly self-conscious of you but you kind of make my point for me.

    Good to know you support riots though. We'll see what happens in the forthcoming elections.

    Oh yes, absolutely. This is why we have invented the word "Schadenfreude" and consider this the best kind of joy. Please continue to sabotage your country. I really love watching this neverendum circus.

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  78. UK needs to RUN by sproketboy · · Score: 1

    UK needs to RUN, not walk of the fascist EU.

  79. Things stay the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The EU is the new USSR and as an American, I am tired of funding these ungreatful socialists.

  80. False positive algorithm/bot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, you can bet that they are using some sort of automated tools or "AI" to dig those document, and think it is too good to not spit out false positive results.

  81. Re: AOC and the Dems and Eurostyle by greythax · · Score: 1

    “Knock the crap out of him, would you? I promise you, I will pay your legal fees” - Donald J. Trump

  82. Re:Well, that escalated quickly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haven't you heard? The committee now automatically issues a "Chemical and Nuclear Strike Genocide Takedown Notice" on any publicly sharing of its Takedown Notices. Further, Anyone suspected of publishing the committee's Chemical and Nuclear Strike Genocide Takedown notices publicly will immediately be stripped of all electrons.

  83. Re:Leave the EU by Jahta · · Score: 1

    Ironically, today the Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Act came into force in the UK. Among other things, it makes viewing online "terrorist content" - even once - a criminal offence.

  84. future shock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The NYT's bribed them to restict the internet to providing only advertising and propaganda.

    1. Re:future shock by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Evidence?

  85. Re:Leave the EU by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

    Dude, you are the brexiter here, but I should fuck off? You are doing it wrong. People like you are the reason why the UK is unable to leave.

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  86. More Lies From Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, sure, Big Giant Orange Head didn't claim to have bikers, the police, and the army on his side. So he could be "very tough, very tough" on his political opponents.

    Maybe he didn't use the words "punching commies", but everyone knew what he meant. As intended.

    BGOH is a third-rate wannabe dictator. And you are a straight-up liar.

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  88. Re: AOC and the Dems and Eurostyle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    I regularly see violence advocated against the left.

    That would be relevant if GP said the right is perfectly clean and violence has never been done by (or in the name of) Republicans.

    He didn't.

    alt-right terrorism

    That would be relevant if alt-right is synonymous and equivalent with Republican.

    It isn't.

    And I want to make something clear: this isn't a "Nuh, your side is worse" thing. This is a "The fact you are this out of touch is why the violence is happening thing."

    No, this is you doing a strawman thing. Gives you a nice excuse to beat up on an imagined right winger.

    you'll find no support for them from the left on this.

    Except in the article, that explicitly tells us the notices were coming from an official France organize (I don't do French, but Google translate tells me it's an official unit tied to the French police). France, as in that place still run by a pro-EU, left leaning party, that won by quite a healthy margin back in 2017. I remember how the left cheered for Macron's victory as a bit of good news for the left after Trump and Brexit vote.

  89. EU is a terrorist organization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Destroy this sick creation.
    Hang traitors ruling it.

  90. Re: AOC and the Dems and Eurostyle by fatwilbur · · Score: 2

    Your examples of violence are exceedingly rare and sensationalized in our modern society. The fact is we have never seen such a peaceful and cohesive time within society before, and the trend continues in the right direction. There are those who seek to bring back fear and division and it looks like their campaign of propaganda has swept you up. I go out in the real world all the time, in all types of cities and rural settings, and see none of the things you describe.

    I think it is you who needs to open your eyes, and if you think violence is something to be seriously worried about, you should probably get off the internet too.

  91. Re: AOC and the Dems and Eurostyle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Except in the article, that explicitly tells us the notices were coming from an official France organize (I don't do French, but Google translate tells me it's an official unit tied to the French police). France, as in that place still run by a pro-EU, left leaning party, that won by quite a healthy margin back in 2017. I remember how the left cheered for Macron's victory as a bit of good news for the left after Trump and Brexit vote."

    That's a lot of dumb piled into one run-on sentence.

  92. Re: AOC and the Dems and Eurostyle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazing, almost everything you said there is wrong.

    It's not a lot.
    It's not dumb.
    And it's not one sentence.

  93. Re:Leave the EU by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

    What gave it away, sherlock?

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  94. Re: AOC and the Dems and Eurostyle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Insanity is bi-partisan, but only one side is normalizing violence. Go ahead and ask any R senator if punching communists is okay. They'll say no. Okay, ask a D senator if punching Nazis is okay. They'll give you a bs non-answer or a deflection. Why? Because if they even give a vague real answer like "you shouldn't punch anyone just for their beliefs" then they'll get absolutely trashed by the extreme end of their party.

  95. Re: AOC and the Dems and Eurostyle by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

    Moreover though, forget advocating violence, alt-right terrorism is actually happening, which, a tiny number of exceptions aside, isn't happening on the reverse.

    So we all just imagined that Congressional baseball shooting, Antifa rioting at Berkeley, the Trump rally in Chicago that was cancelled, historical monuments in the South being defaced/destroyed, etc?

    Face it, It's not a tiny number of exceptions.

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  99. New form response for EU antics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scince the EU seems to be run by incompetent clowns at best, little tin horn wannabe dictators at worst, I have prepared a for to use whenever one of these stories appear on Slashdot or other web sites.

    (Disclaimer: This was done on the quick using one of my posts as the base, so feel free to correct/inprove it)

      ===STANDARDIZED EU IDIOCY RESPONSE PAMPHLET===

      Because EU politics led to those hearing/cookies warning boxes, and now they are engaged in (put current idiocy here):_________________________________ we should fire back at the EU with 'boxes' of our own, directed only at site visters in the EU. (put latest moronic EU excuse here:)__________________________ is just their latest little grab for more power and control.

      Lets make all site visitors in the EU contend with a giant modal "DANGER! YOU MIGHT BE OFFENDED OR SCARED BY THIS CONTENT! CLICK OK TO CONTINUE!" banner that covers the entire window until "OK" is pressed. Throw in a couple rounds of "Are you really sure?" before the box goes away and the content is accessable.

            Make sure it covers the entire page and plays a very loud siren. Make it so it always pops up on every single page they try to navigate to.

            This will be a good time to put asshole Javascript tricks to good use, such as disabling right clicking. When an EU user tries to right click on a page, pop up a message (again, big modal banner, loud siren) saying that that function has been disabled to protect them from copy/pasting any potentially offensive content. Make sure that if an EU user tries to disable Javascript in their browser, make it pop up a page with nothing but a message saying "Javascript is required for EU citizens to view this page" I would add a picture of a mean smiling clown for good measure.

        Maybe the EU will wake up and the next time one of their glorious leaders pulls a stupid stunt, the whole EU gets 'punished'.

        While I am usually against group punishments, maybe stuff like this will motivate the citzens of the EU to tell their glorious leaders to keep their mouths shut about stuff they know not about, and stop playing the micromanaging nanny.