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Internet2 Going Live
IronMonkey writes
"For those whose bandwidth cravings can never be satisfied,
Internet2 is finally going live for testing to network 50
universities at 2.4G-bps! All over SONET, of course. The
group who is putting together the Internet2 is planning on
final network speeds of 10G-bps. "
Can someone make my bedroom a node on that thing please?
Maybe internet2 is just a bad name to use for this network. It seems to give everyone the wrong idea of the whole thing. It sounds like a great idea, and a valuable tool for research and the sharing of ideas, but saying the words internet two is like promising a sequal that will never happen. A fragmentation of that magnitude could never happen (and isn't apparently the idea of it either) but it is very implied.
Anyways, the internet is always evolving, this bandwidth will reach us all eventually.
Flame away if you desire, respond intelligently if you can. If not, cool just my thoughts.
I've been saying for years that academics and research need to start over and make a new network . Split the damn internet! Give the AOL osers their porn and spam traffic they want so badly and allow all the commercial usage on there. And for the rest of us, who actually need the internet for research and to get work done (remember? that's what it was developed for initially), have our own academic network. Thank you, I don't need the commercial part of the internet.
Unfortunately this is not whats going to happen with Internet2 in the end. The whole thing only exists because of commercial interests.
- illuminaut, arbiter elegantiarum.
Posted by Assmodeus:
dammnit!! i cant even get cable access where i live. but while 2.4 gps would be nice, correct me if im wrong, it would be worthless due to the speed of my p2's internal bus...
Posted by Sam Robertson:
I kind of agree, but please learn to spell...
Most of the time I don't need more then 28k8.
It's the quality that counts - not the quantity.
Francis Siefken
Does any know if it runs ipv6?
The difference between Canada and the USA is that in Canada healthcare is a right and gun ownership is a privilege.
Downloading at 400k/sec is a religious experience. If only people besides universities could hook up.
I actually transferred out of there (I hope none of the sysadmins read this ), but they forgot to cancel my account. I am now at a considerably smaller, private school ;)
oh please oh please, God let me somehow be involved in that thing. Although my school is only 2000 people, I just ask for one chance! :)
...I just want one chance to prove money cant buy me happiness
The internet 2 is access restricted to scientific and academic usage only. You have to be on an approved research project or something to get on it. Hopefully this will keep the AOL lusers (which I use as a term for a class of users, not people from AOL specifically) off and the signal to noise ratio fairly high, but it does mean that just because you have the 20,000/month to throw at UUNet for a high speed connection, that won't get you on inet2.
2) You cant tap a fiber you doofus. If you tap the fiber, you disrupt the signal, and someone goes to fix it and breaks your leg with a fiber splicer.
Not 100% true. I've heard from several sources now (fibre installers, phone crews, etc.) that you can "tap" fibre by bending it sufficiently enough to cause some of the light to exit the fibre since your bend is "excessive" and the TIR which the fibre relies on is no longer total. Now mind you this is only for eavesdropping but it is being "tapped."
I'm at purdue right now... I2 just got installed... It rocks..
.o well
Less than 10ms pings ANYWHERE on it.. =)
Now the NIC card in this computer is the bottleneck..
ChiefArcher
If this thing is running IPV6, I'd be willing to bet that Linux is playing a front seat role in all of this.
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-- Knowledge shared is power lost. -- Aleister Crowley
http://www.nts.umn.edu/homer/internet2/
For all of you who are interested.
My understanding is that this is going to take longer to get to the commercial sector than the article seemed to indicate. I know several people working directly on Internet2, and it seems the research applications alone are going to keep it busy for several years. To get involved, one just has to work for the university in the IT or SI divisions...
Grass Roots Info Ronin
I think Canada should donate the silicon from Pamela Anderson Lee's enormous overstuffed hooters to the project.
...for being at Yale. :) I *know* we're on Internet2.
JB
Did anyone else catch the references to "differentiated service" levels mentioned in the article? What this sounds like is that big corporations (or universities) with the Big Bucks(tm) get the best service (good support, high bandwidth, high reliability), and private ISPs or small companies would be left with the unreliable or low-bandwidth connections.
0 1 - just my two bits
There has been a *working* connection between GaTech and UNC for some time. Don't no much about it since I am not part of the Systems group, but it is definetly there.
Check out: www.internet2.org
--weenie NT4 user: bite me!
"Computers are nothing but a perfect illusion of order" -- Iggy Pop
Ya - Same goes for the military freaks and their Billion Dollar B-2 Bombers. Those of us that actually work for a living and have to pay taxes may never get to fly around in this great plane WE paid for, and that truly is a shame.
Business. Numbers. Money. People. Computer World.
Hopefully Internet2 stays in Universities and non-profit organizations, unlike it's bloated, over-commercialized predicessor.
I remember when you could get 400K/sec on a file download from somewhere on the other side of the US. Now thanks to the convenience of U.S. commercial intere$ts clogging everything up with their bloated WWW sites, you can barely reach 30K/sec.
WRONG. Internet2 is a privately funded initiative; no tax dollars involved. Perhaps if you'd bothered to go to their web site at www.internet2.edu you would have realized that. But I guess expecting people to verify facts before spreading FUD would be a bit much.
Not quite; see RFCs 2474 and 2475.
two words: web tv.
Argh...
Glad you pointed it out. :-)
1) It's OC-48, pay attention. OC-3c = 155Mbit. OC-12 = 648Mbit. OC-48 - 2.4Gbit. OC-96 - 10Gbit.
Actually, OC-192 is 10Gbit/s.
We (my company, my development department) can even top that: OC-192/STM-64 over WDM, which will be 16x (or 32x) 10GBit/s on one fiber. You don't want it at home, your HD'd be full in the wink of an eye.
Glad you pointed it out.
1) It's OC-48, pay attention. OC-3c = 155Mbit. OC-12 = 648Mbit. OC-48 - 2.4Gbit. OC-96 - 10Gbit.
Actually, OC-192 is 10Gbit/s.
We (my company, my development department) can even top that: OC-192/STM-64 over (PDF), which will be 16x (or 32x) 10GBit/s on one fiber. You don't want it at home, your HD'd be full in the wink of an eye.
> Hopefully Internet2 stays in Universities and non-profit organizations, unlike it's bloated, over-commercialized predicessor.
Hopefully not!
>I remember when you could get 400K/sec on a file download from somewhere on the other side of the US. Now thanks to the convenience of U.S. commercial intere$ts clogging everything up with their bloated WWW sites, you can barely reach 30K/sec.
So you'd prefer to be on your own private Internet, with super high bandwidth to almost nothing? Better to have 30K/sec to what you're looking for, than no access to the sites you want at all. Not to mention that fact that those "bloated WWW sites" take up NO bandwidth unless someone is actually using (i.e. presumably benefiting) from them.
Oh, and another thing--if the Internet2's Quality of Service features work as advertised, then it can be as congested as it wants, but if you're willing to pay a premium for your packets, you'll still get good performance. If not, then you got what you paid for.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
The article doesn't name the 50-150? universities to be connected. Does anyone have a link to a list?
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This sort of thing has cropped up before. And it has always been due to human error.
HAL9000
only 400K/s? Just 10 minutes ago I got 500K/s downloading some RPMs from sunsite. The only times I have slow downloads is from anything having to do with redhat.com
Looks like this is just the first step. The article gave the impression that Northern Telecom will be connected in Ontario.
Here's some background information in response to a few the posted questions: Internet2 is basically a research and development consortium of over 140 universities, about 50 companies and over 2 dozen affiliated organizations. Abilene is a national backbone network that members of Internet2 can use to develop advanced applications and network capabilities like QoS and multicast. As several folks have noted, the idea is not to replace the current Internet, but to develop technology that can migrate there. For the latest information on Internet2 and links to the Abilene Website see: www.internet2.edu . (truth in advertising: posted by Greg Wood, Internet2)
That's like asking what does the Hubble Space Telescope or the Mars Rover mean to normal people. It's just another research tool, and if you value institutional research, you would be happy, and if you think research is a waste of money, you would be upset. It's up in the air how Internet2 and Internet will get connected, but even for the 50 charter Universities, there will be 2 separate networks, for now; I'm sure students without important reserach needs won't have Internet2, while labs and supercomputers and other important buildings will have direct access to Internet2.
It is a separate network, physically, though I would guess it shouldn't be hard to connect the Internet network with the Internet2...
There are plenty good reasons to be excited.
Twinkie
Hey, research institutions are the reasons average people have titanium golf clubs, silicon transistors, pocket radios, cd-players, flat panel displays, pentium 2s, soda cans, plastic milk cartons...
See anything here? Sure, you may just be an anonymous troll, but research institutions, while spending millions on such crap as quantum mechanics, string theory, holographic imaging, particle accelerators, etc, do end up with usable, cool, noteworthythings... Heck, without the originial arpanet and universities needing a method of communication, where do you think the internet would have started in the first place?
BTW, quantum mechanics -> quantum computing, we hope, holographic imagining -> optical processing and storage, particle accelerators -> even more compact storage mediums than ultra dense hard drives... etc. And the kicker is we don't know how useful a research is until after the fact...
Twinkie
Anybody know what bandwith reservation protocol they are using? Do they support IPNG?
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
Damn, its on an OC-64 Sonet network. Now, if that line runs past your house, what prevents you from tapping into the fiber and grabbing some bandwidth?
PDG--"I don't like the Prozac, the Prozac likes me"
"Where is my mind?"
You've just proven to me that there are such thing as stupid answers from stupid people. Damn, ya ask a question and fucking genious fiber engineer jumps down your throat for now knowing the specs of a fiber connection.
PDG--"I don't like the Prozac, the Prozac likes me"
"Where is my mind?"
I think that there's gonna be some interesting days in the future... with the phone companies whining about cost...
What do the specs for this thing look like? Are they open? One of the big conspiracy theories going around is that when Y2K hits, the government will deprecate the current infrastructure and move everybody to a new one, which is protected by sundry patents and IP laws. There they can censor and snoop all they like.
If Internet2 is open-spec like its prequel was, however, I don't see that happening.