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Pirates of Silicon Valley
We've mentioned this once or twice in the past, but I figure
its probably worth mentioning it again.
Pirates of the Silicon
Valley is running this weekend on TNT (sunday at 8pm). Its the story of
Gates and Jobs, as played by Noah Wiley and Anthony Michael Hall.
I dunno if it'll be any good, but I'll probably watch it.
It'll be interesting to see how they take the story (which is
actually quite entertaining and interesting) and adapt it for
a mainstream audience.
Thanks to
jbut355 for reminding me.
>All I can see is he donated about $400million to put Windows PCs in some libraries.
A local library around here was recieving a computer from that program, and had Linux installed on it instead of Windows. Apparently somebody had given them a copy of Linux and they liked it so much more than Windows that they asked that the computers come with Linux on them instead of Windows.
FWIW, and so long as we're talking fluff, my first impression of a publicity shot of Noah Wyle was he's more of a Linus than a Jobs. Maybe next year when we get "Attack of the Screaming Penguin Hoardes"....
This pic shows the resemblance pretty well....
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
As others have pointed out, it's idiotic to assume that anyone that doesn't like Bill Gates or his actions is just jealous. (Or, for that matter, that "everyone of us" is jealous.) While it would be nice to have a few billion in the bank, it has nothing to do with my dislike for him. I'm not even jealous of millionaires that I respect.
I do admit that I don't know the man personally (surprise, surprise), but you can surmise quite a bit from his and his company's actions and second-hand stories. It doesn't paint a pretty picture.
So... are you jealous of the crack dealer down the street driving the brand new Mercedes? He sure is a shrewd businessman! If you criticize him, you must just be jealous!
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The web is not the greatest invention mankind has every created. That's a tossup between the harmonica and dynamite.
Ten years from now, (I hope) we'll look back on this frenzy over web pages full of kittens the way we look back on roller disco.
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Actually I learned in DOS.. 2.1 I think, on my Tandy 1000EX.
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangster Of Love:
The thing that I liked best was the way Jobs was portrayed. They showed Steve Jobs to be the asshole that he really is.
I'm extremely happy that someone decided to stop sucking Steve Jobs' ass for just long enough to show him to be the person that he really is.
I also liked the way Bill Gates was not portrayed as just plain evil, but simply greedy which is a much more plausable explaination for why he acts the way he does.
LK
Posted by Nina Simone:
There will be a lot more movies and books about Jobs, Woz and Gates. Gad, we've yet to see their ghost written autobiographies - although I'm hoping Woz will construct a superior minimalist bio.
I don't think the whole biz will fly until there are nerd sex revelations. When I see the Enquirer running a story about Melissa spanking Bill, I know we'll have hit the Variety moment.
There could be a movie about you. Keep coding, keep schmoozing and hang out at Buck's.
So? He hasn't actually given the money away... it's just earmarked for charity. What's he going to do with it? Buy Windows PCs for children in poor countries? When he starts using significant amounts of his money to benefit people in ways that do not also directly benefit him, then maybe I'll believe that he's being charitable. 'Til then, I don't buy it.
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In the publicity photos I've seen, he looks like the young Steve, especially in the bowtie get-up like the one Steve wore to the original Mac presentation. I'm wondering, however, if Wiley will be able to duplicate that 'I am the baddest motherfucker alive' expession Steve had on his face that day. If you haven't ever seen that, see if you can dig up a movie of it somewhere on the net.
It's the perfect picture of a 27-year old who was quite convinced that he was truly the shit.
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Does anyone know whether this is the same TNT which broadcasts in The Netherlands?
I dunno, maybe it's just me, but it seems like I was born to late or something. reading their (jobs and gates) bios and seeing all that they did, and all that they accomplished (and no matter what side of the fence you lie on, you _have_ to admit that they did accomplish a lot. how many of you would've gone into computers when you did if window$ weren't there to help you through the baby steps...) it just makes me think that I'm stepping into a field that's drying up. seems like all of the _huge_ discoveries have been made, and all the major players have already been chosen. ya know?
oh well, that's just my rant. thnks
-peter
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Visit Moody's article here . And hopefully the anchor is CLOSED this time...
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Remember he is probably the most responsible for you having that PC in front of you.
Ha You freakish lazy-eyed bastard.
Only a suck up Microsofty would believe that crap. I guess Bill also is responsible for the internet and spell checking. Did IBM build a PC and try to get CP/M on it? Yes they did! Look at what Steve Jobs did with 128k of memory in 1984 and then talk to me about Billy.
Bill Gate deserves to be known as the person who sold crap as face-cream. He lost any redeeming quality day two of Microsoft.
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...were published in yesterday's Salon. The review had this quote: "if you're looking for an amusing, Hollywood-filtered dramatization of the rise of the geek industry, there are worse ways to spend your Sunday evening." :)
The debunking of the story I found more interesting and informative. "Pirates" isn't ground-breaking by any means, and does little more than perpetuate the existing mythos of Silicon Valley (and make TNT some ad revenue). The real history (IMHO) is more interesting, but it'd shatter the popular worldview, so few subscribe to it. It's more fun to demonize people you only know through third- or fourth-hand accounts, apparently.
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It says they have pioneered the technology landscape. I would have to disagree as many were involved in shaping and developing the technology market. They just were the best hijackers and exploiters. They put the "R" in Ruthless.
Sounds pretty damn crappy: http://www.ab cnews.go.com/go/sections/tech/FredMoody/moody99062 1.html
I could not justify my existence if I were a turkey farmer. Would I terminate myself? Undoubtably, yes.
Good Lord! Do all you people randomly watch TNT at 2 am? And I thought I stay up too late watching pointless TV...
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
But remember in the ending what Gates (in the movie) said to Jobs? "You still don't get it do you??" It is not about whether the product is superior or not, it's about how one can manipulate the markets to use their product.... which is something that Gates does so well and that Jobs seemed to have lost his way before but are not getting better at it ....
... judging from their website.
:-)
In reality, Gates is extremely annoying, unctious, whiney and has a grating, irritating voice. He acts like a spoiled brat. The guy is a total ninny. They will definitely gloss this over completely; I'm sure he will be portrayed as a tough talking no-nonsense type of person.
Yet, it might be interesting to see him transform from a young whiney rich ninny-spoiled brat into a old, market-drone-speak ultra-rich billionaire ninny-spoiled brat.
He will not be portrayed this way. Once the motherfucker is safely (for us, I hope, with shub-niggurath slowly eating his soul for all eternity) in his grave, maybe someone will portray him realistically, adding in the linux story as well - hopefully the linux saga will have a happy ending
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I never said he should be killed, I said ".. when this #$%#$ dies"
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With all of the talk of this show, I want to see the Revenge of the Nerds mini-series on PBS again. It was very well done, interesting, and makes me want to buy it. Too bad it's not on DVD.
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There was a link somewhere on Slashdot a few months ago to a history of video games. It's long but interesting. It mentioned that apparently more than several computers featured hardware that "walked" out the back doors of video game companys.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
Thanks to the beauty of the PBS Bass'O'Matic you too can produce a three part series that hypes your own book and ego. You don't believe us? Well let us prove it with this side-by-side challenge:
The car on the right is fueled by galvaston XT267-23 (after 5pm DT283-73 ext.164) and the car on the left is powered by Cringely's ego. And...there off. Galvaston XT267-23 (after 5pm DT283-73 ext.164) begins to pull ahead, it looks like and early lead for galvaston XT267-23 (after 5pm DT283-73 ext.164). Wait, Cringely's ego is building up RPMs, yes, Cringely's ego is taking the lead. And at the finish is...a big hole. Cringely's ego falls into the hole and is never seen again. This is why we must all be on constant guard against the Red Menance.
Yes, the Red Menance, working title for The Phantom Menance, a rather silly story about a boy and his dog, his dog being a robot, a robot he built himself from scraps of other dogs, those dogs also being robots that were scrapped. The boy falls down a well, that well being a wormhole through which he travels to other planets, other planets that all look like parts of the english countryside. There he meets a mad hatter and march hare, played by Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor. They enjoy a nice spot of tea and exchange names, signs, and blaster fire with a few of the queen's (played by a man I know was in "Brazil") guards, played by some ones and zereos organized in video buffers......"NO NO NO, now stop this! This is much to silly. Return to disparaging Cringley or I'll have to stop this for good."
Cringely can bite my caunnish. canaush? tomAto? tOmato?
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only for question #19 if for noothing else, if you don't get it you probably never will.
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/* I've heard it both ways. Anyone know for sure how one pronouces "Jobs"? */
.snd clip of Jobs talking (overlaid on Handel's "Messiah" -- slightly funny).
:)
My uncle used to work for NeXT computer, and as a result I'd get a lot of discounted NeXT cubes and stations and parts.
One cube that I bought had a
He pronounced it "Jobs" -- that is to say as most North Americans would pronounce the word as seeing it.
If I'm not mistaken the NeXTmail voice attachment program, LipService, had a little intro ditty by Jobs. Again, pronounced "Jobs" as in the sentence "I got fired from three jobs"
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but Jobs himself pronounced it Jobs. NeXT employees pronounced it Jobs. (My uncle was pretty high up if I'm not mistaken, and his employees pronounced it Jobs as well.) I don't think that you would be apt to mispronounce the boss' name
Three Step Plan:
1. Take over the world.
2. Get a lot of cookies.
3. Eat the cookies.
"Honey, I stole some technology, and built a machine that shrunk the kids and dominated the industry!"
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to compare the two - one produces a few very high quality, highly regarded, well reviewed, albeit expensive products like the Next box or WebObjects for a select, well heeled clientel, while the other produces a flood of cheap, buggy doggerel intended to prey upon the gullibilities of any moron who want's to appear to be computer savvy
:)
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I've heard it both ways. Anyone know for sure how one pronouces "Jobs"?
They got the title wrong - it should have been called "Prats of Silicon Valley"
I've seen it. It was on a while ago on TNT, I guess they just didn't tell anyone. It's awfull. Especially the corny ending with Bill Gates on a giant screen saying to Steve Jobs "looks like we will working together..." and how many years it skips at the end. A little before it ends you see Steve and Bill arguing about Xerox, where they both just whine... blah blah blah..... It's target audience is luddites, I just MiSTified the whole thing while it was going on.
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There's some neat stuff in there. The interviews are interesting.
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I don't know, but the story of these two guys has hardly begun. Why make a movie about it?
In 20 or 30 years, it will really be clear if this story is worth being told, but now?
A documentary would - in my opinion - be far more appropriate for this subject.
(I also found this comment by the actor playing Gates quite amusing: "I really fought for this part because I knew it would be the role of a lifetime". Come on. Bill Gates the role of a lifetime?)
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Yes, they did air it early once on a late night
in order to beat the deadline for Emmy contention.
The show had to air before a specific date -- I'm
guessing 01 June -- to be up for this year's
Emmys. Newer shows have better chances of winning
an Emmy than older shows. They're fresher in the
voters' memories. Plus, they wouldn't get stuck
in the "No, that show was nominated last year" trap. =)
-Augie
Actually, a good book to read on the subject is "Insanely Great" by Steven Levy. Levy, a longtime columnist for MacWorld may be a little too kind to the folks at One Infinite Loop, but it really details the process of the creation and acceptance of the GUI as the defacto standard for personal computers. I haven't had the chance to read "The History of Apple", but I am looking forward to the read sometime in the near future.
Judging from the "Pirates" web site, I expect them to get a number of facts wrong. On thier "Silicon Quiz" they incorrectly attribute the Apple Lisa as being named after Job's daughter. While her name is Lisa, the machine was actually named after another Apple engineer (whose name is unknown to me.)
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They had a preview screening at the Seattle film festival a few weeks back. Here's my reaction.
Spoiler: Microsoft wins. Focus is on the early days, around the Altair. It then goes through to the Apple/Microsoft investment with the devil a few years back, with screen time decreasing exponentially with historical time. So the end of the story is Big Brother Bill smirking down on Steve from the big screen.
It's hard to know what a non-technical person would like and dislike. I already knew of almost every historical event portrayed, so there weren't many surprises (BillG used to get in trouble speeding? Woah!). But more interesting to me than the anecdotes, or even the performances (pretty good), was the eerie sense of watching this unfold on a big screen.
Your TV screen will be smaller, but it will still be eerie. If you were there in the early days, even as an AppleII owner rather than a bigwig, you know how small and unknown the PC world was. Seeing it onscreen is like seeing a movie about, say, yourself in elementary school. You felt at the time that someday Posterity would recognize the importance of your 4th-grade world, but you eventually gave up that belief. Now all of a sudden it's there and it's real. It's so freaky a sensation that you have to admit you could still be in 4th grade and having a long and convincing dream. An Ur-nerd won't learn much new from this flick, but it's definitely worth checking out for that sensation.
On the other hand, it's a bit disappointing that they made this movie, if it means that the subject is "done" and no one's likely to do another one soon. Because it would be nice to see a movie about the early days that's written better. There are several klunky transitions, and Jobs and Gates are forced to spew out semi-meaningless chunks of their philosophies in places that don't flow nicely. One fun surprise was the Steve Ballmer character, which captures his humor. It doesn't show off his intelligence, though (e.g., he beat Bill in a math competition at Harvard). Perhaps this is a reflection of the scope of the project; how can you really show what any one person is like when you try to show the lives of half a dozen people in events spanning ten years?
(p.s. - the director and A.M. Hall were there and answered some questions. A good time had by all. Steve and Bill have not asked to see it, we were told. A thick notebook of research exists to backup every scene, for legal reasons. Still, some scenes have been slightly massaged for dramatic purposes.)
Heh, thank you for confirming this. Watched it very early one morning a few weeks ago. I had heard about it, probably remembered some ad, so I thought I was watching a replay from earlier that evening. When the media blitz started a few days later, I was really confused.
My own take on it was that it might be interesting to someone who hasn't read (or at least skimmed the first chapter at the bookstore) one of the many books detailing Silicon Valley lore.
To anyone else, you should be able to quote the script as it's chapter and verse of just about anything you've heard regarding Gates and Jobs.
Does anyone know if it will air on any of the Canadian cable networks in the near future?
(We don't get TNT, only TBS)
Maybe TNT will make it into the next set of channels on the DSS/cable lineups. I hate having to wait for TNT shows (like Babylon 5's final season and movies... the extra wait and change of scheduling times caused me to miss the last 3 months completely)
All the reviews I've seen so far said it had big gaping holes, but that's it's still definitely worth seeing.
Just a dumb piece of trivia, but: this is actually the second time Pirates of Silicon Valley is playing! It already aired a couple weeks ago, and several people have confirmed seeing it on a lot of the Mac news sites. There was a lot of speculation about why it happened, because a National Geographic special was supposed to air during the time slot.
Steve Wozniak set up a plan to give stock options to early employees out of his own account, under a program that they called the WozPlan. I forgot the details and the numbers (it's in the Mac Bathroom Reader) but he said he did it because he felt the early employees weren't getting their fair share of stock options. Steve Jobs and Mike Markkula told Woz he was wasting his fortune, but several people wrote letters to Woz thanking him for helping them to put their kids through college or start businesses because of the WozPlan.
I was flippin channels and came across it on TNT at 3:am EST...
I could never understand the commercials for it after that...
"See it on it's network debut, June 20th, 8pm..."
Odd.
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The movie wasnt as fact filled as the Cringely PBS special/book but it was entertaining. Steve Jobs is still my hero. It was fun seeing a drunken Bill Gates ride around on a bulldozer or whatever that was he rode around on, especially when its played by someone who was in "The Breakfast Club"
That is not what this movie is about. This movie is about the early days. There is an excelent book called hacker that goes from the early 60's to the late 70's with the hacker revolution. This story is what is told somewhat. (based upon another book not haker) So they did not need any of the windows stuff aat all to make it interesting, but hey I just watch them I don't make them.
Do you changes clothes while making the "chee-chee-cha-cha-choh" transformation sound?
I saw "Pirates of Silicon Valley" at the Seattle International Film Festival (SIFF) last month. Don't worry. Bill Gates is depicted exactly how you want him. The film is actually pretty harsh. The only person lefted unscathed is Woz.
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I have been waiting for this movie for many months and had it booked on my palm pilot. All geek comments aside, I grew up with a huge crush on Anthony Michael Hall and loved his geek/nerd look. He's gained wait, and changed a bit, but I still can't wait to see it, I think it's going to be a fun movie. I really hope that the songs I have heard on the trailer will be available on a soundtrack as it contains some great music from 60-80's
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Your both wrong about why it aired earlier.
It aired on TNT, un-announced at 1am, so that
it would make the cut off date to be considered
for the upcoming Emmies.
I'm pretty fly for a white guy
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I was wondering if anyone read the book The History of Apple: Blunders, mistakes, and (something else)? I am 16 and when I read it I thought "wow, those guys were idiots" but I don't know if I can lend a lot of credit to it sinice I sorta wasn't paying to computers when I was 4 LOL, maybe I should have been. Thanks to anyone who tells me how to take this book. On a side note, I think that the movie will be bias towards MSFT.
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It was called "the microsoft file" and it covered this shit pretty well.... i also found out that Stevie Jobs helped BillyG get out of a lawsuit with Apple while Gilly was still CEO
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TNT showed this at 2AM back in May, without listing it. I accidentally stumbled across it about 30-45 minutes into the show. (Since DishTV shows the East Coast TNT feed, I saw it at 11.)
It wasn't listed on the DishTV program guide or TV Guide, and I don't know if this was the final edit of the show or not.
It is definitely worth seeing. They seemed to catch the feel of the era, though some details may be wrong. I'm especially interested in catching the first 30 minutes I missed, and seeing it when I am more fully conscious. I think the whole S100 Bus CP/M 4K Basic Homebrew Computer Club part of the history must have been in the first part which I missed.
The picture of one of those early Computer Fairs looked spot-on. (That was a bit of nostalgia -- I really miss the Computer Faires, back when they were hobbyist oriented.)
I have no idea how accurate they were in their depiction of Jobs, which struck me as a thorougly unpleasant people-user. In one scene, Wozniak confronts Jobs about one of Apple's earliest employees not being awarded any stock options. Jobs just brushes him off, and Woz says "Well, I'm giving him some of mine."
What the fack are YOU talking about?
The ship sank. Get over it. (This sig was cut out from another's shirt and painstakingly hand-posted)
Now apply the same theory about pretending to be an intellectual to Columbine. No angry little jerk will ever spend a year planning before he blows someone away.
Pure rationalism, pure emotionalism, and pure sensualism...--- The Unholy Trinity.
Supergenious?
And so Hitler^H^H^H^H^H^HGates (hades?) begets us monitors you shake your head at when the dialog box is abolished and the computer asks you loudly,"G-e-n-e-r-a-l P-r-o-t-e-c-t-i-o-n f-a-u-l-t 0-x-0-1-3-7 a-t 0-0-0-0-s-e-m-i-c-o-l-o-n-0-0-f-9 i-n v-o-i-c-e-d-o-t-v-x-d c-o-m-m-a O-K q-u-e-s-t-i-o-n m-a-r-k"
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How many people will be seventy on the same day in 2069? How many will have a couple more to live?
Yikes!
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It's the ultimate existentialist solution. As much as I have respect for spiritual seekers, (not churchgoing posers) if those were my only choices, fuck nirvana, I'd rather go through the whole cycle again than be Gates.
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touch what a couple of hackers can build and that's hackers not crackers.
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Minix vs Linux... and the winner is...
Seriously they're both cool.
Unless we have Gates kidnap Jobs and have it out with Linus.
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Ha! When everyone with a clue has the ability tocreate a blockbuster (albeit more depth) on a spare change budget I'll give the Net credit. Other than that it's people like wall, Torvalds, and the rest of the crew who should get the credit. The media says web = sports, stocks, and porn because that's all they ever do all day.
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You lose!
We get TNT on cable in Australia, and it shows stuff from the US (wrestling,nitro and old movies), but this sounds like something decent for a change. I saw the Triumph Of The Nerds series (I still have it on tape) and I seriously hope the ppl at the stations here have enough brains to put it on.
My bet is that Jobs is depicted as a control freak, and Gates as a power hungry whiner. I'd like to see who plays Woz.
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TNT, Channel 17 here in Hawaii, Kauai, showed it about a month ago. It wasn't bad, but it was not very accurate. I was just flipping through the channels, and there it was. I wrote into /. about it, but it didn't make the cut.
That was an accidental showing, I think. It was not listed, I just happen to catch it by channel surfing.
Sorry, I'm a diehard Breakfast Club fan, and whatever crappy films Anthony Michael Hall may have made since then, he has the capacity to be funny and believable at the same time. I think he'll make a perfect BG.
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Couldn't they have chosen better actors? I have yet to see either of them give a convincing performance. They should have chosen someone like Rick Moranis for Gates and anyone else but Wiley for jobs...
-Clump
Oh yes, thats more like it. Do like AMD does with Intel. They don't whine about it, or cry about it. They just get back up and try to do something better. Bill Gates is a nerd like you and I, it could have been you up there and whether you are a bad guy or not doesn't matter because every jealous nerd in the world would be saying that you were bad, or the "anti-christ", or something like that, for crying out loud. I think if some of you guys were in Bill Gates shoes people might even like you less...
The problem I see with this guy, is that all he did was take someone elses ideas and run with them. He's nothing more than a fast talking thief...but I guess if you can get away with it....He is now the richest man in the world, and everyone knows his name, but if he walked into a my backyard slept with my sister and then tried to take my bike, I'd string him up....then again, that is what this country is all about isn't it? Take full advantage of every one around you as long as the end justifies the means....
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I just finished watching and the only thing I can say is I'm glad I use Linux and the Be OS. Both Jobs and Gates both looked like a$$holes! I also feel sorry for the poor shmucks at Xerox who's bosses didn't have enough vision to see what they were doing. I'm left wondering what happend to those brillant people and would appreciate anybody who can give me insight as to what happend to them.
For an excellent story of Silicon Valley and how it evolved (dating back to MIT in the early sixties) pick up a copy of the book "Hackers; Heroes of the Computer Revolution" by Steven Levy.