Wolfenstein 2000 Confirmed

Not by id? by khaladan · 1999-10-31 19:41 · Score: 2

When I saw the subject I was going "yes yes yes" until I saw that it wasn't going to be made by id. I can remember playing Wolf3d on my 386. Maybe nostalgia has enhanced the experience, but it was a great game. Seems like as games get more realistic they also become harder to set up and configure properly . The simple game of Wolf3d was wonderful, I hope it can somehow be reproduced.

Re:Not by id? by arcade · 1999-10-31 20:35 · Score: 1

When I saw the subject I was going "yes yes yes" until I saw that it wasn't going to be made by id. I can remember playing Wolf3d on my 386. Maybe nostalgia has enhanced the experience, but it was a great game. Seems like as games get more realistic they also become harder to set up and configure properly . The simple game of Wolf3d was wonderful, I hope it can somehow be reproduced.

I really don't care who develop the game. The important thing is a *fast* and good graphics engine that may deliver speedy graphics and so forth.

Also, they should make it multiplayer. You should be able to choose if you want to play the nazi's, or the escaping prisoner, or maybe a deathmatch between several soldiers and prisoners .. ah, there are endless possibilities.

I'm really looking forward to slaying Hitler in his machine again.. uhh, if they dare to rip that of ID that is.

Ohwell.. nostalgia.

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Re:Not by id? by Double+Zero · 1999-10-31 20:41 · Score: 1

IMHO, nostalgia has nothing to do with it. Years on, it's still sheer vicious fun. The key features are probably the sense of speed and danger - one shot from anyone can kill you, at close range - so battles are far faster and more brutal than in most modern games.

Gunning down attack dogs with a gatling was fun, too. :)

Re:platforms? by RatBastard · 1999-10-31 21:48 · Score: 1

No, you DON'T need any damned $5,000.00 OpenGL developement kit! What you DO need is a Voodoo or Voodoo2 card, as that is the only OpenGL hardware supported by BeOS at this moment. I've run it in software mode (my Voodoo 2 is in the other computer) and it works fine.

How about a little research next time?

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BZZZT! Sorry. Thanks for playing. by RatBastard · 1999-10-31 22:04 · Score: 1

What parting gifts do we have for our contestant today?

id Software bought the _RIGHTS_ to the name and basic premise to "Castle Wolfenstein", an old Apple II game that John Carmack and John Romero both loved.

The game "Wolfenstein 3D" was developed by id. John Carmack wrote the engine, Adrian (sp?) Carmack (no relation) and Kevin Cloud did the artwork.

You can find a LOT of _researched_ information about Wolf3D in Stan Staziak's (now maintained by someone who's name escapes me) Wolfenstein 3D FAQ.
(anyone got an URL handy?)

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But in addition to my previous rant by Rob+the+Roadie · 1999-10-31 19:53 · Score: 1

I am looking forward to this release.
Wolf3d got me through my GCSE's and QII assisted me through my first couple of contracts. W2K should be great if Markham lives up to past form.

Did anyone read past the 1st page? by Rob+the+Roadie · 1999-10-31 19:48 · Score: 5

Well did anyone read past the first page? The article wasn't about the release of Wolf2000, it was about "...video games...murder simulators...youthful assassins...military killers." and the role that 'violent' games are supposed to play in the production of adolescent aggression.

Markham defends his possition and the possition of his company on the Littleton massacre to the end "...here I am playing a video game...and you tell me that's going to translate to holding a real gun? You show me someone who says that and I'll show you someone who belongs to the Flat Earth Society..."

Towards the bottom of page 5 Markham talks about the development of previous games touches on what is to come in the future. "...games will get more violent, he says. 'Why? Because they can.' "

IMHO a brilliant article coupled with great researched that will go unread by most as it is billed as a game announcment. COME ON!

Re:Did anyone read past the 1st page? by MikeFM · 1999-10-31 22:05 · Score: 1

I think the whole thing about being warped by video game violence is stupid. I was fairly violent as a young teen as were my friends and we almost never played video games other than Mario and Pac Man and seldom watched movies and myself I really wasn't into music even at that age. Pop media was actually something I was rebeling against and I still wanted to try to blow up a city block by filling the sewer w/ explosives. I figured out how to make the explosives on my own w/out the net or even books. I got the sewer plans from city hall.. again without any media help. Luckily we got bored before we actually blew anything up but realisticly we could have leveled quite a large area with the explosives we had made and the information we had put together on the best places to put them. Maybe the politicians should outlaw teenage boys love of fire and loud noises. Lets just brainwash them all to like lacey pillows.

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Re:Did anyone read past the 1st page? by Kinthelt · 1999-10-31 20:56 · Score: 1

"...games will get more violent, he says. 'Why? Because they can.'"
I'm actually glad that first-person-shooter video games are getting more violent. It makes them more realistic. At the same time, I would be glad if the simulation games became more realistic too (I'd logged more hours in a Learjet 45 in FS98 than I've spent in class).
The goal of the computer gaming industry is to make games more realistic. Not necessarily real compared to the "real-world", but real compared to the game. Games are trying to be as true to the world it portrays as possible. And as long as they continue to improve, it'll be a good thing. I for one, do not want to go back to playing Pong. I would prefer playing Rainbow Six (or Rogue Spear), where one bullet will take you down.

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This is getting too demanding. by Neph · 1999-11-01 03:50 · Score: 1

What do you mean, reading past the first page! Dammit, used to be that you the goody-two-shoes contingent on slashdot was content with demanding readers just click the link to the story! Now you want us not only to read it, we should read past the first page? This is going too far.

Due to the effects of moderation, karma, and the "10 hot comments" box, Slashdot discussions are becoming increasingly contaminated by worthwhile opinions supported by actual "facts". The proportion of trolls and flamewars is dropping dangerously.

We need immediate action. I propose that any user introducing unjustifiable amounts of well-researched information into a discussion be immediately punished by having a link to his webserver published in an article, or, failing that, the equivalent penalty of ICMP flooding.

Steve 'Nephtes' Freeland | Okay, so maybe I'm a tiny itty

Re:platforms? by myconid · 1999-10-31 19:18 · Score: 1

I don't see why there would be.. This is a commercial product with the aim to make some money. I can't see even recooping the extra development costs by selling a copy for an OS with a tiny userbase. Also wasn't there something funky about Quake being released for Beos, but you had to buy the $5,000 OpenGl development kit license to use it or something?

I think this will be a sweet game, and I would like to see it on multiple platforms, but I highly doubt they will port to Be.
Stan "Myconid" Brinkerhoff

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The Diet Coke of "Legal" by The+OPTiCIAN · 1999-11-01 05:59 · Score: 1

* Quasi-legal - Just one calorie!

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Re:Another Media Hack and Slash by SolRHadden · 1999-10-31 23:25 · Score: 1

About the only interesting thing is that they are remaking Castle Wolf, not the 3d thing.
Actually, Wolf3D was called Wolfenstein becuase it was set in Castle Woldenstein- when you beat the first 10 levels that was what you ran out of, after collecting all the Nazi gold and killing a bunch of german soldiers. So this is a remake of Wolf3D, they are just calling something a little different.

I mean, if you want reality, go outside.
And get arrested for blowing someone's arm off? "This guy's" whole point was that games such as Quake and Redneck Rampage are not reality, they are set with aliens and you shoot everything you see. Ask a inner-city gang member or a prof. soldier how often you indescriminately shoot everything. The author's point is that by adding intelligence to the characters in the game, you can no longer shoot everyone, you have to interact with them and decide the best course of action. It brings first-person games one step closer to reality. And yeah, it will never be reality, unless your reality involves blowing people's arms off with shotguns. The whole point of simulations is to do things that are not possible in reality, be that flying a 747 10 feet over the Golden Gate bridge, or shooting a fellow human in the face.

And the reporter uses him to make another story on how we are all going to turn into Satans minions.
Get down from whatever pedistal you are on long enough to actually read and understand the article. The reporter put togeather a well balanced article about an individual that makes very violent games. Both sides were presented evenly. If the reporter had neglected to present the side that fells games are evil, it would have been a poor story. But every argument against games was countered by the view of the industry. I for one thought it was an intelligent and well written piece.

remember, Wolfenstein != Wolfenstein3D by tuffy · 1999-10-31 21:07 · Score: 3

before everyone labels a Wolfenstein2000 another Doom/Quake clone. The original was top-down on the Apple][ and stressed tense situations (who could forget the fear of the SS storming in knowing only a grenade could take them out?) over rampant shooting.

Wolfenstein 3D was a pure shooter, and a darn fun one. I still play it from time to time. But iD intentionally removed all the sneaking and disguises to make the game move faster. Probably a wise idea at the time, but I think we've reached a point where a game can be done like the original again - with plenty of tense moments and a lot less shooting.

I mean, we already have plenty of 1st person shooters. How about something that requires more wits for a change?

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Re:remember, Wolfenstein != Wolfenstein3D by ucblockhead · 1999-10-31 23:21 · Score: 1

The original was top-down on the Apple][ and stressed tense situations (who could forget the fear of the SS storming in knowing only a grenade could take them out?) over rampant shooting.

I still remember holding up grunt soldiers for their bullets with an empty gun. Now that was cool.

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Re:remember, Wolfenstein != Wolfenstein3D by Duds · 1999-11-01 04:22 · Score: 1

So you're talking about something more in the mould of Rainbow Six. Now that could be interesting. Rainbow Six worked very well for something that was effectively a new genre, and Xantrix appear more than capable of pulling off a 3d version of the old Wolfenstien.

On the note about graphic violence... by PsychoSpunk · 1999-11-01 01:30 · Score: 1

1st off, cool Wolf 2000! be nice to be shouting NPFO at the monitor.

But on to the crux of the article...

I have a simple comment about the gaming industry vs any other media industry around. Notice that if you try to rent an R rated movie before you're of age, they usually have blocks available for parents so that Timmy who's 7 can't rent it for his slumber party.

I've noticed a lot of games around these days that have the M rating (probably requires the same amount of graphic content as the R rating in movies) but I haven't seen people harping that there isn't enforcement of the rating. I can imagine Timmy going into Best Buy and being carded for half-life, but really has anybody seen it happen?

Also I've seen arguments that "Oh, it's just a game." And I'm certain that those same people turn around and say that "X movie is too violent!" (put your favorite gore fest in for X)

I don't think you can blame the developers of the software since the rating system has been around. It's kind of like going after Paramount (or whoever) if some kid did a copycat of Scream (or whatever). First of all, Paramount's got beaucoup money in legal teams, and secondly, no judge would say "Well, even though it's rated R and Timmy was 7, I'm going to find you, Paramount, to be responsible." Further no jury would either simply because every movie is known to be rated.

Thus the problem to correct here is perception. Media shouts of "Graphic video games!!!" are common, but they never mention these games' ratings. I think that if gaming companies want to save their soon to be tarnished image ('cause once a lawsuit goes against 'em, it's all downhill), I think that a consortium to start actively promoting the awareness of the rating system will quiet the media (to an extent), and parents (because now it's back to being their responsibility in a quasi-legal^* sense)

* Quasi-legal - legal because of popular opinion rather than an informed bias. In these respects, parents are quasi-legally not responsible because the majority of people still think of video games to mean pong and the old Atari classics. Not enough people know that the major video card companies have nearly reached a perfect 2-d representation of 3-d real life and thus are shocked to see how graphic glQuake or Quake II can really be.

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Re:On the note about graphic violence... by kimihia · 1999-11-01 10:54 · Score: 1

In NZ the rating on computer games is not legally enforcable (as opposed to movies where a company can be fined $NZ3000+ for letting a minor see an R-rated movie). Only a handful of games have actually been rated because distributors *can't be bothered* paying to have them rated.

Remember Wolfeinstien 3D on the start screens? "This game voluntarily rated PG-13"

Self rating. They knew what they put into it. They knew what to label it.

hey hemos! mien-lieben? by LuckyStarr · 1999-10-31 21:47 · Score: 1

what do you mean with "mien-lieben"?
mien is definitely no german word.
there is not even a word that sounds
alike, except in a very strange dialect.

if you want to say something like:
"my dear friends" then "meine lieben"
should do. although not 100% correct.
"meine lieben freunde" is much better.

:-)

but what does that have to do with W2k ?
(wolfenstein 2000 != windows 2000)

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Re:hey hemos! mien-lieben? by pit_bull · 1999-10-31 23:37 · Score: 1

I'm guessing Hemos tried to write "Mein leben" wich is what the german SS-officers in the original wolfenstein by Id cried out once you shot them.

I might be wrong here and you might be right...
Hemos?

"Bang..... Aaaaaargh... Mein leben!" yeah!

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Re:hey hemos! mien-lieben? by wildcardj · 1999-11-01 05:16 · Score: 1

Ja, as someone else pointed out, he almost certainly meant "Mein Leben!" which translates to "My Life!" (as in, "Oh no, there it goes"), which was the death-cry of the SS in Wolf3D. Of course, back then it often came across as a throaty warble 'cause sound cards weren't quite so common or advanced.

-Kevin

Well... by StarFace · 1999-10-31 19:41 · Score: 1

Looking at the track record of games these guys have produced, I'm not too worried about a 'cheap ripoff'

Kingpin looks to have some pretty sophisticated gameplay and interesting AI. I have no doubt that they will find a way to interweave an interesting plot into an old game.

I see these guys have also made Redneck Rampage. Granted this game was not a technological fest, but it was decently up to date. It had a great comedy element that was lacking in alot of games around that time. These guys seems to know how to make a game interesting, so it will be -interesting- to see how it turns out.

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Anti-anti-semitism? by wilkinsm · 1999-10-31 21:15 · Score: 2

I was just wondering... Could Wolfenstein be considered anti-anti-semitism? Is it a good idea to promote the idea of nazi germany in an era when not only is it long dead, but the berlin wall has been down for 10 years this month?

The mission areas for my F19 Stealth-figher game included eastern europe, the middle east, and siberia, but not south america, asia, or north america, where I can think of a few targets...

I look back at all my "WW-II" and "cold-war" games and wonder if perhaps they should be let to die in peace.

Re:oooh! by RinkRat · 1999-11-01 01:06 · Score: 1

Dude! I can't believe that no one has mentioned WolfenDoom yet! It's so mind-bogglingly awesome I... lack the words.

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Re:Nostalgia aside.... by Tarnar · 1999-11-01 05:37 · Score: 1

"So has anyone actually _played_ wolf3d lately. Sure you get a nice "ah, I remember the good old days" feeling from it but when you look at it what we really loved about it was it was a precursor to a genre. Is anyone really interested in playing a "kill the guard, kill the guard, find the key, kill the guard, kill the boss" kind of game?"

This is why they didn't just take the Wolf3d textures/maps and slap them on the Quake engine. Heck, they'd be done by now if they were doing that :P

The only way to sell a rehash like this is to a) appeal to nostalgia and b) actually make it worth having for it's own merits. So in theory, we should get a new game with some cool features and what not.

Trivia: Wolf3d actually had a raytracing engine. Be glad there was no real z axis to it or it would have been SLOOWWWW.

Re:Trivia by Tarnar · 1999-11-01 07:19 · Score: 1

Erk.. I could be wrong =) Wasn't the type of BSP trees that Doom used though.

Re:platforms? by jfrisby · 1999-10-31 19:21 · Score: 1

$5K OGL dev kit? That's news to me! To me it seems Be has done everything to encourage development...

It may be a mutually beneficial thing to let Be do the port however... Be benefits by having more "cool apps" to lure users, and one more way to show off how cool BeOS is to the media...

Xatrix benefits by getting increased exposure, free cleanup work on making the code portable (useful if they want to do other ports like Linux or Mac), and free revenue -- they don't do the work...

Jon Frisby, Senior Internet Software Engineer,
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