I'm building a wearable computer and the applications I will use it for require constant power supply in all situations. So I've compiled a good list of places to purchase solar and wind power solutions: http://cypherpoet.com/projects/cat_wearable_comput er.html
It is worth noting and even if linux were to die as result (which after reading different reviews online I suspect this will not happene considerin that SCO has found it hard to spread its lies in the EU and elsewhere) that the power of linux is not it's code, it is the people and the idea that it is built on. Even if the penguin got cold and died the people behind it would unite in a different cause.
The only thing that has happened by SCO's actions to affectivly give it a black name throughout the IT world. People are going to see this as petty of them and very unprofessional, (regardless even if the courts were to say otherwise, by the fact that they have pissed off so many and gotten ahead of themselves so quickly with demands before showing proof).... SCO has signed their death warrent in the IT community. And that, my love, is sweet revenge..
I thought the Slashdot agenda was to raise vampire children to invest in Microsoft (one share at a time) so that the Slashdot crew (though dead) rule the world.
It may be possible to moderate stories but I don't think it should/could be done with news stories.
However, I think moderation depends on what Taco, Hemos, Nate and Potter plan on doing with slashdot. The only reason I wouldn't want moderation of stories would be because the founding purpose of/. is/was to see what the founders were thinking (if you remember,/. was just a site where Taco, Hemos would post whatever they cared to post... what was on their mind). If they continue to *outsource* the news posts to other people (I will not say that this is a good or bad idea) then the purpose of the site will have gone away from being something where Hemos, Nate, etc... post what is on their minds, to a site where hemos, nate, taco, potter, timothy, emmet, clif, etc, etc, etc... where they post what they are thinking. With so many people you would need moderation... there just isn't enough room for so many minds and, yes, you will get overlap of stories.
Then again, is it really that big of a deal. Do any of us feel really all that violated when we have to see a post on something that we have already seen in the past. My point: Who cares!
I've been a slashdot user for over year... before the andover buy and before the rest of the media and world started to even know what slashdot was.
I would encourage you to check out the signup dates of the users that say slashdot sucks. In most cases I think you will find that they are relitivly new.
I think Slashdot just has allot more users these days and some of the users just never realized what slashdot was in the first place.... what I mean is, they just have no idea that slashdot is all about your (jeff, cmdr, nate, neal, etc)opinions.
Well, I've had about 5 people come to me (and I'm no one special) and asked me if I knew anyone to fill a tech possition (for sysadmin or programmer in most cases). All 5 times I've sent them a few of my old unexperianced students (back from when I used to teach networking classes 6 months ago) and all of them have wound up highering one of my students.
so, yes... here in ISRAEL (.il or the lame in mind), there is a big shortage.
oh... and as to what you pointed out about the Learning Curve and should we really want someone that understands everything over someone that ignores things which MAY NOT (or may) be important to their position and what they are doing (did I understand you correctly?)...
I agree... is something I wonder about myself. I'm slowly coming out of a 3 year rampage on learning everything I could get my hands on even if it might have been a waste of my time. I've learned a sht load but... it's not all focused (I know allot about allot of things instead of hell of allot about one particular area).
You could look at it like... now I have a great big foundation from which to build a castle... Or, I missed out on building a sky scraper...
Well, I think we would all agree that a certification doesn't mean much. However, there are a few things that can be gotten from it (depending on the certification and the person trying to get it and the person that may/or may not be teaching it, depending on the route they take).
1) Can the person LEARN * I had allot of students in my class that knew very little about computers. Learning everything needed to take the MCSE was a worth while accomplishment for them... and most are now bugging me asking me to teach them linux...
Allot of my students had to really study hard for the exams. I wouldn't hire them to run my network because they have a certification. However, I would give them a big chance because they can LEARN. That, of course, only applies to the students that came into the class not knowing much about the subject already.
For the students that already knew the subject already, I might have them run my network off of their abilities but I wouldn't hire them because they can LEARN (which, IMO, someone who can learn is much more important than someone that just knows something well).
It is my belief that the RHCE certification... or wait, better yet... the LPI (www.lpi.org) certification requires a student which already understands the concept of learning as the subject will be harder to grasp (because linux is harder to learn than NT).
MY POINT: Figure out what all is entailed in the certification the person has... TRY (though not alwasy possible) to find out what that person had to do to get it. Then you can better figure out if this person has what it takes.
Never take a certification for the certification itself. For some people the certification serves as a motivation (for others its "Damit! I paid $5000 for this course and I'm going to finish it and get all that I can out of it").
For others that really like the subject they are motivated enough.
So... "why certify?"... if it motivates you to learn something you need or want to learn.
Then, you can portray to the employer what you know something (or BS your certification, as some do, and see if he/she takes it). Because you have this certification, depending on the employer's knowledge of the cert and the leap that you had to take to get it, the employer might even be able to determine more than what you know but how well you learn.
I'm a MCSE myself and I've taught MCSE and Networking courses for over a year now. I've looked into taking the RHCE... though it looks great, I don't want to limit myself to a label anymore. But that is not what I wanted to say...
If you look at what the average MCSE learns and knows... 1) Learns what a kernel IS 2) Learns how to work with special GUI's to get done what they need. 3) Learns how to deal with a few special problems which require getting deep into the NOS's settings (the registry)... like I can count them on my finger. 4) You learn about the hardware you can use... and how to INSTALL the drivers.
Linux, is still (at least for now), inherently more difficult and to successfully understand and administer. You have to understand things on a much more detailed level.
1) You learn how to understand the messages that the Kernel spits at you... how to change on the kernel operates 2) You learn the cmd prompt utils needed to get your hands dirty. I don't have a argument for this one... just that everyone I have seen that has a understanding of (and especially those with a fetish for) can comprehend the hidden problems (when it comes to protocols or hardware) a whole lot quicker (less explaining needed). 3) You learn how to RTFM, something a MCSE may never learn... 4) You get into the details of every service and have to understand it at a technical level (because this is how all the documentation is written... I mean, its not just... do x y z, more like... do x because, y because, z because).
Don't know if this counts. This one is a mix between Spam and a chain letter, but I love it all the same:
Subject: [Fwd: Is this for real?]
Some junk mail with a potential difference! Circulated by a colleague in ECM. IS THIS FOR REAL? I hope so I am sending this because the person who sent it to me is a very professional business person and a good friend and does not send me junk mail. Microsoft and AOL are now the largest Internet company and in an effort make sure that Internet Explorer remains the most widely used program, Microsoft and AOLare running an e-mail beta test. When you forward this e-mail to friends, Microsoft can and will track it (if you are a Microsoft Windows user) for a two week time period. For every person that you forward this e-mail to, Microsoft will pay you $245.00, for every person that you sent it to that forwards it on, Microsoft will pay you $243.00 and for every third person that receives it, you will be paid $241.00. Within two weeks, Microsoft will contact you for your address and then send you a check. I thought this was a scam myself, but two weeks after receiving this e-mail and forwarding it on, Microsoft contacted me for my e-mail and within days, I received a check for $24,800.00.
You need to respond before the beta testing is over. If anyone can afford this Bill Gates is the man. It's all marketing expense to him.
And here is a simple anti chain-letter chain-letter that can be used to stop, go figure, chain-letters: Subject: This is for real! Do it now! Send this message to everyone you know and you won't recieve any more chain letters.
sorry for those that got the impression that I was advocating Killing or even Killing Nazi's. That was not the purpose. I was just being sarcastic. I must have lost my head... forgot where I was and how sarcasim is taken differently here. People will do anything for a post, aye?
I believe that it should be some what obvious that the surplus of $$$ that is current in the US has allot to do with the Internet and ecommerce and the fact that the US is almost the center of all Internet activity.
What do you all think will be the result of putting a tax on on-line sales? I think I have a idea... Business will move elsewhere.
Sure, for a little while the tax will bring in more money... but, once people wake up they will take their companies elsewhere where there aren't such restraints. And, in the end you will have lost all that you gained plus allot of what you had before the tax.
Okay, you can tell a person by their actions. Here are the recent actions of the US gov.
1) Let's invade privacy and try to weaken encryption so that we can nab the drug lords (who could probably give a shit about your laws and will use better international encryption software... or, put national encryption software in their pockets and get on a plane. In the end, the people are the only ones left that can be monitored).
2) Let's make some needed money by putting a Tax on the exploding realm of ecommerce (which will stun it's growth and force the money to go else where. One Q: What is better? a) Having 70% of all ecommerce based in the US and no eTax or b) Have 20-30% of it based in the us but a 5% eTax?).
And these are just the one's I've seen discussed on/. in the past two days.
Well, there are more but I must go. Please, point out one's that you find? I think the more stupidity is documented, the more people will try to stay away from it.
As I said, it's shaping up to be _really_ solid from what I can tell.
I find it interesting that a installer can change everyones views so rapidly. Shows the signs of the times for the community, as I see it. Meaning, we are hitting the desktop market these days.
It is my opinion that a system doesn't become solid for a while. Takes time and testing to truely see a solid system. Though, I'm sure that Unknwn and I are just on different wavelengths and think of different meanings of the word "solid" in the current context.
Well, I do believe that most everything I have read is correct. Someone pointed out that Geeks lean more towards the sciences... and that only %40 of scientists believe in a God. Ok, I believe the rate for geeks probably levels out somewhere around %50 believing in a God and the other %50 not.I personally DO believe in a God. Then, I agree, the flip impression of what geeks are in society today is portrayed in the media and movies and something like %5 believing in a God and 95% not, which is obviously wrong. The post said to the affect that maybe it is because people believe that geeks=educated=liberal. Geeks to = educated but education doesn't always = liberal. The impression that education=liberal I believe is portrayed by the media. Not just in the area of geeks but in everything. So... yes, the media has a big role in the whole problem.
How to fix it? You can't. Why would you. I've lived this long being a religious geek without getting upset that the rest of the world believes that geeks=educated=religious cannot be. But all I can say is... IT's true: geeks can be very religious.
What was the whole stick about the PIII, that organizations could collaborate to track you and the such. The same concern lies in one unique ID for each person that they use for everything, government agencies getting the easy road to tracking someone with *criminal* intentions. And we all know that the Gov has the absolute perfect definition for what Criminal is, whatever they hell they want it to be. Geeze, Janet Reno has basically called everyone type of person a criminal except for those like her (and those that she kissed ASS for to get where she is).
Why does it even matter what MS thinks or says? So they say your tool is a "Hacker Tool". Considering the Fact that the cDc is not selling BO2K I don't see why it matters. I mean, do we really care about market share when it comes to BO2K vs SMS? Or are we just trying to, ahem, Bitch as much as we can about a stupid issue. What is the point?
1) I am a US citizen. Just wanted that in the clear. I believe it is wrong what the serbs or Yugoslavian Gov. is doing. However, that is not what this post was about.
I think we have to be careful to ask the Q "Why" for both sides. For instance, * why did the US and NATO get involved in the whole Krosovo and Yugoslavia ordeal in the first place? - What I believe to be the answer: Because what was/is going on in Yugoslavia and what the Gov. there is doing is wrong. My take is that is just fine, if not our (US that is) duty as substantial member of the global community
Situation number two (taking a look in the mirror): * Why did US cut off Net/Sat access to Yugoslavia. To answer this you have to ask your self what could possible be threatening to them (US Gov). - What I believe is the answer: Well, I know that I personally read many articles from residents in Yugoslavia about the bombings and where they were REALLY hitting. This is what I believe the US Gov. or NATO would find threatening. They can't stand that all their actions are out in the open. And yeah, your saying that the reports on the internet from Yugoslavia are false. 1) There are way to many of them to all be false and 2) Why can't I, we, determine weather the reports are truth or lie for ourselves. Its like the US Gov. is saying "They are all lies and you are not allowed to read them".
I'll read any Dam lies I want and determine for myself.
The people in Yugoslavia had one voice to level the media playing field. Now the US Gov. is try, allegedly, to take that away. I guess it is the US's portrayal of freedom?
Please, I reiterate that I very much disagree with what the Yugoslavian government is doing. But as my mother always said "Two wrongs don't make a rite".
Slashdot Mirror
I'm building a wearable computer and the applications I will use it for require constant power supply in all situations. So I've compiled a good list of places to purchase solar and wind power solutions: http://cypherpoet.com/projects/cat_wearable_comput er.html
It is worth noting and even if linux were to die as result (which after reading different reviews online I suspect this will not happene considerin that SCO has found it hard to spread its lies in the EU and elsewhere) that the power of linux is not it's code, it is the people and the idea that it is built on. Even if the penguin got cold and died the people behind it would unite in a different cause.
The only thing that has happened by SCO's actions to affectivly give it a black name throughout the IT world. People are going to see this as petty of them and very unprofessional, (regardless even if the courts were to say otherwise, by the fact that they have pissed off so many and gotten ahead of themselves so quickly with demands before showing proof).... SCO has signed their death warrent in the IT community. And that, my love, is sweet revenge..
I thought the Slashdot agenda was to raise vampire children to invest in Microsoft (one share at a time) so that the Slashdot crew (though dead) rule the world.
It may be possible to moderate stories but I don't think it should/could be done with news stories.
/. is/was to see what the founders were thinking (if you remember, /. was just a site where Taco, Hemos would post whatever they cared to post... what was on their mind). If they continue to *outsource* the news posts to other people (I will not say that this is a good or bad idea) then the purpose of the site will have gone away from being something where Hemos, Nate, etc... post what is on their minds, to a site where hemos, nate, taco, potter, timothy, emmet, clif, etc, etc, etc... where they post what they are thinking. With so many people you would need moderation... there just isn't enough room for so many minds and, yes, you will get overlap of stories.
However, I think moderation depends on what Taco, Hemos, Nate and Potter plan on doing with slashdot. The only reason I wouldn't want moderation of stories would be because the founding purpose of
Then again, is it really that big of a deal. Do any of us feel really all that violated when we have to see a post on something that we have already seen in the past. My point: Who cares!
I've been a slashdot user for over year... before the andover buy and before the rest of the media and world started to even know what slashdot was.
I would encourage you to check out the signup dates of the users that say slashdot sucks. In most cases I think you will find that they are relitivly new.
I think Slashdot just has allot more users these days and some of the users just never realized what slashdot was in the first place.... what I mean is, they just have no idea that slashdot is all about your (jeff, cmdr, nate, neal, etc)opinions.
hey,
:)
fyi... my family is post production... at least for now.
yes, this was a useless post with no meaning...
just posting in the usual spirit of ths how
Well,
I've had about 5 people come to me (and I'm no one special) and asked me if I knew anyone to fill a tech possition (for sysadmin or programmer in most cases). All 5 times I've sent them a few of my old unexperianced students (back from when I used to teach networking classes 6 months ago) and all of them have wound up highering one of my students.
so, yes... here in ISRAEL (.il or the lame in mind), there is a big shortage.
oh...
and as to what you pointed out about the Learning Curve and should we really want someone that understands everything over someone that ignores things which MAY NOT (or may) be important to their position and what they are doing (did I understand you correctly?)...
I agree... is something I wonder about myself. I'm slowly coming out of a 3 year rampage on learning everything I could get my hands on even if it might have been a waste of my time. I've learned a sht load but... it's not all focused (I know allot about allot of things instead of hell of allot about one particular area).
You could look at it like... now I have a great big foundation from which to build a castle...
Or, I missed out on building a sky scraper...
Oh well, a interesting dilemma...
- cyphunk
Well, I think we would all agree that a certification doesn't mean much. However, there are a few things that can be gotten from it (depending on the certification and the person trying to get it and the person that may/or may not be teaching it, depending on the route they take).
1) Can the person LEARN
* I had allot of students in my class that knew very little about computers. Learning everything needed to take the MCSE was a worth while accomplishment for them... and most are now bugging me asking me to teach them linux...
Allot of my students had to really study hard for the exams. I wouldn't hire them to run my network because they have a certification. However, I would give them a big chance because they can LEARN. That, of course, only applies to the students that came into the class not knowing much about the subject already.
For the students that already knew the subject already, I might have them run my network off of their abilities but I wouldn't hire them because they can LEARN (which, IMO, someone who can learn is much more important than someone that just knows something well).
It is my belief that the RHCE certification... or wait, better yet... the LPI (www.lpi.org) certification requires a student which already understands the concept of learning as the subject will be harder to grasp (because linux is harder to learn than NT).
MY POINT:
Figure out what all is entailed in the certification the person has... TRY (though not alwasy possible) to find out what that person had to do to get it. Then you can better figure out if this person has what it takes.
Never take a certification for the certification itself. For some people the certification serves as a motivation (for others its "Damit! I paid $5000 for this course and I'm going to finish it and get all that I can out of it").
For others that really like the subject they are motivated enough.
So... "why certify?"... if it motivates you to learn something you need or want to learn.
Then, you can portray to the employer what you know something (or BS your certification, as some do, and see if he/she takes it). Because you have this certification, depending on the employer's knowledge of the cert and the leap that you had to take to get it, the employer might even be able to determine more than what you know but how well you learn.
my 3c
- cyphunk
I'm a MCSE myself and I've taught MCSE and Networking courses for over a year now. I've looked into taking the RHCE... though it looks great, I don't want to limit myself to a label anymore. But that is not what I wanted to say...
If you look at what the average MCSE learns and knows...
1) Learns what a kernel IS
2) Learns how to work with special GUI's to get done what they need.
3) Learns how to deal with a few special problems which require getting deep into the NOS's settings (the registry)... like I can count them on my finger.
4) You learn about the hardware you can use... and how to INSTALL the drivers.
Linux, is still (at least for now), inherently more difficult and to successfully understand and administer. You have to understand things on a much more detailed level.
1) You learn how to understand the messages that the Kernel spits at you... how to change on the kernel operates
2) You learn the cmd prompt utils needed to get your hands dirty. I don't have a argument for this one... just that everyone I have seen that has a understanding of (and especially those with a fetish for) can comprehend the hidden problems (when it comes to protocols or hardware) a whole lot quicker (less explaining needed).
3) You learn how to RTFM, something a MCSE may never learn...
4) You get into the details of every service and have to understand it at a technical level (because this is how all the documentation is written... I mean, its not just... do x y z, more like... do x because, y because, z because).
my 2c
- cyphunk
I'm sure the floating sat's will wind up being used to service communcation and entertainment for those visiting the Mir space station.
I would agree... I work on average 60 hours a week....
But that is just because I am a lunatic and enjoy working like crazy.
Don't know if this counts. This one is a mix between Spam and a chain letter, but I love it all the same:
Subject: [Fwd: Is this for real?]
Some junk mail with a potential difference!
Circulated by a colleague in ECM. IS THIS FOR REAL? I hope so I am
sending this because the person who sent it to me is a very professional
business person and a good friend and does not send me junk mail.
Microsoft and AOL are now the largest Internet company and in an effort
make sure that Internet Explorer remains the most widely used program,
Microsoft and AOLare running an e-mail beta test. When you forward this
e-mail to friends, Microsoft can and will track it (if you are a
Microsoft Windows user) for a two week time period. For every person
that you forward this e-mail to, Microsoft will pay you $245.00, for
every person that you sent it to that forwards it on, Microsoft will
pay you $243.00 and for every third person that receives it, you will be
paid $241.00. Within two weeks, Microsoft will contact you for your
address and then send you a check. I thought this was a scam myself,
but two weeks after receiving this e-mail and forwarding it on, Microsoft
contacted me for my e-mail and within days, I received a check for
$24,800.00.
You need to respond before the beta testing is over. If anyone can
afford this Bill Gates is the man. It's all marketing expense to him.
And here is a simple anti chain-letter chain-letter that can be used to stop, go figure, chain-letters:
Subject: This is for real! Do it now!
Send this message to everyone you know and you won't recieve any more chain letters.
Solution... get a grrl on "staff"!
:)
- cyphunk
sorry for those that got the impression that I was advocating Killing or even Killing Nazi's. That was not the purpose. I was just being sarcastic. I must have lost my head... forgot where I was and how sarcasim is taken differently here. People will do anything for a post, aye?
ewh goody! can't wait. Killing Nazi's is always good wholesome fun :)
Okay, so it doesn't give any details to the game. That would be nice to have. And does the story change at all?
Yeah, yet another coin :)
/. in the past two days.
I believe that it should be some what obvious that the surplus of $$$ that is current in the US has allot to do with the Internet and ecommerce and the fact that the US is almost the center of all Internet activity.
What do you all think will be the result of putting a tax on on-line sales? I think I have a idea... Business will move elsewhere.
Sure, for a little while the tax will bring in more money... but, once people wake up they will take their companies elsewhere where there aren't such restraints. And, in the end you will have lost all that you gained plus allot of what you had before the tax.
Okay, you can tell a person by their actions. Here are the recent actions of the US gov.
1) Let's invade privacy and try to weaken encryption so that we can nab the drug lords (who could probably give a shit about your laws and will use better international encryption software... or, put national encryption software in their pockets and get on a plane. In the end, the people are the only ones left that can be monitored).
2) Let's make some needed money by putting a Tax on the exploding realm of ecommerce (which will stun it's growth and force the money to go else where. One Q: What is better? a) Having 70% of all ecommerce based in the US and no eTax or b) Have 20-30% of it based in the us but a 5% eTax?).
And these are just the one's I've seen discussed on
Well, there are more but I must go. Please, point out one's that you find? I think the more stupidity is documented, the more people will try to stay away from it.
- cyphunk
Like, I thought politition's were educated?
As I said, it's shaping up to be _really_ solid from what I can tell.
.2c
I find it interesting that a installer can change everyones views so rapidly. Shows the signs of the times for the community, as I see it. Meaning, we are hitting the desktop market these days.
It is my opinion that a system doesn't become solid for a while. Takes time and testing to truely see a solid system. Though, I'm sure that Unknwn and I are just on different wavelengths and think of different meanings of the word "solid" in the current context.
cyphunk
Is there a cracker our there for port 23 which can interact with the Telnet protocol to try to brute force the password/username combo?
:)
if so... let's start cracking
Doubt any one cares about details this late in the stage but
They are going to do this using WDM, creating 32 different channs on the wire using different colors
l8r
- cyphunk
PS: This twiddler is freaking hard to type on!
Hey Adi... I'll take one of those. How much did you say they were?
From the way the article talked, it seems very very possible.
Well, I do believe that most everything I have read is correct. Someone pointed out that Geeks lean more towards the sciences... and that only %40 of scientists believe in a God. Ok, I believe the rate for geeks probably levels out somewhere around %50 believing in a God and the other %50 not.I personally DO believe in a God. Then, I agree, the flip impression of what geeks are in society today is portrayed in the media and movies and something like %5 believing in a God and 95% not, which is obviously wrong. The post said to the affect that maybe it is because people believe that geeks=educated=liberal.
Geeks to = educated but education doesn't always = liberal. The impression that education=liberal I believe is portrayed by the media. Not just in the area of geeks but in everything. So... yes, the media has a big role in the whole problem.
How to fix it? You can't. Why would you. I've lived this long being a religious geek without getting upset that the rest of the world believes that geeks=educated=religious cannot be. But all I can say is... IT's true: geeks can be very religious.
What was the whole stick about the PIII, that organizations could collaborate to track you and the such. The same concern lies in one unique ID for each person that they use for everything, government agencies getting the easy road to tracking someone with *criminal* intentions. And we all know that the Gov has the absolute perfect definition for what Criminal is, whatever they hell they want it to be. Geeze, Janet Reno has basically called everyone type of person a criminal except for those like her (and those that she kissed ASS for to get where she is).
l8r
- Cyphunk
Why does it even matter what MS thinks or says? So they say your tool is a "Hacker Tool". Considering the Fact that the cDc is not selling BO2K I don't see why it matters. I mean, do we really care about market share when it comes to BO2K vs SMS? Or are we just trying to, ahem, Bitch as much as we can about a stupid issue. What is the point?
1) I am a US citizen. Just wanted that in the clear. I believe it is wrong what the serbs or Yugoslavian Gov. is doing. However, that is not what this post was about.
I think we have to be careful to ask the Q "Why" for both sides. For instance,
* why did the US and NATO get involved in the whole Krosovo and Yugoslavia ordeal in the first place?
- What I believe to be the answer: Because what was/is going on in Yugoslavia and what the Gov. there is doing is wrong. My take is that is just fine, if not our (US that is) duty as substantial member of the global community
Situation number two (taking a look in the mirror):
* Why did US cut off Net/Sat access to Yugoslavia. To answer this you have to ask your self what could possible be threatening to them (US Gov).
- What I believe is the answer: Well, I know that I personally read many articles from residents in Yugoslavia about the bombings and where they were REALLY hitting. This is what I believe the US Gov. or NATO would find threatening. They can't stand that all their actions are out in the open. And yeah, your saying that the reports on the internet from Yugoslavia are false. 1) There are way to many of them to all be false and 2) Why can't I, we, determine weather the reports are truth or lie for ourselves. Its like the US Gov. is saying "They are all lies and you are not allowed to read them".
I'll read any Dam lies I want and determine for myself.
The people in Yugoslavia had one voice to level the media playing field. Now the US Gov. is try, allegedly, to take that away. I guess it is the US's portrayal of freedom?
Please, I reiterate that I very much disagree with what the Yugoslavian government is doing. But as my mother always said "Two wrongs don't make a rite".
- Cyphunk
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