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Opera Turns 10, Gives Away Free Registrations

osvejda writes "Opera Software ASA is celebrating 10-year anniversary of its browser. As a surprise party favor they're giving away free registration codes (for as long as the party lasts). Also see photos from the party, listen to music by employees, play games and more."

583 comments

  1. Never had a reason to use Opera by MSFanBoi · · Score: 2, Funny

    IE works fine for me. No viruses, no pop-ups, and it works great for everything I need it to do.

    1. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I concur, why switch? There's no reason.

    2. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Welcome to Slashdot. Replace IE with Firefox and it would be modded +5 Insightful in 10 seconds. Nevermind that for most people, IE is virusfree and pop-up free...

    3. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by tont0r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      shouldnt this be modded as funny?

    4. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, now add tabs, a customizable UI (if you want that...), a MDI, an undo feature for closing tabs and a download manager that can resume. Even if you don't need it, it's nice to have.

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    5. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by Bronz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Candles work great for me too, but I still like electric lights. Built-in mouse gestures, tabbed browsing, BitTorrent client, mail client, irc client, RSS reader, completely customizable interface, screen reader ... cross platform ... ability to (easily) shut off images, flash, animated gifs, cookies, doesn't take 4 minutes to clear its cache ... And its all of 3MBs.

      You might not know what you are missing.

    6. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by MSFanBoi · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I use IE 7.0 Beta1, it has all the features I need.

    7. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      IE works fine for me. No viruses, no pop-ups, and it works great for everything I need it to do.

      Apparently, you don't browse.

    8. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by MSFanBoi · · Score: 0, Troll

      Built-in mouse gestures: Useless
      Tabbed browsing: I have it (IE 7.0 Beta1)
      Bittorrent Client: Never use it, don't want it
      Mail Client: I use Outlook 2003, a full mail client to use with my Exchange server
      IRC Client: don't use IRC
      RSS Reader: got it (IE 7.0 Beta1)
      Completely customizable interface: it's as customizable as I want it to be
      screen reader: I don't have a need for it.
      Cross platform: I don't have a need for it.
      ability to easily shut off images, flash etc.: I have it (IE 7.0 Beta1)
      Doesn't take 4 minutes to clear it's cache: I have this (IE 7.0 Beta1), not to mention those with an ounce of IE knowledge know they can set the IE cache to like 5 MB instead of the default 10% of the disk.
      I do know what I am missing... nothing.

    9. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by MSFanBoi · · Score: 1, Funny

      Every day.

      I just know how to use a computer. Since September 30th., 1997 I've been using IE. Never any viruses, no spyware (yeah the occasional annoying cookie or so), all I delt with was pop-ups which I killed off a long time ago, first with Google's menu bar and then MSN's, and now IE 7.0

    10. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      One word: ActiveX

      Fuck that insecure piece of shit.

    11. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      including bending over and getting ass-raped by the next malicious web site.

      oh wait, you m$ fanboys love bill's cock up your ass.

    12. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by Eightyford · · Score: 1

      Well good for you! Here's a cookie.

    13. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YHBT. HAND.

    14. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what about an undo button for closing tabs?

      what about your brower remembering which tabs you had open [either when it crashes, or so you can have the previous tab setup always open when you start [or a custom one if you like]]?

      [w00t, confirmation word is 'lameness']

    15. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by bleaknik · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't use IE, but did you know that the MSN toolbar now includes a tabbed interface...

      That once caught me by surprise...

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    16. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by MSFanBoi · · Score: 1

      It's coming in Beta2. I've really not had a need for something like this, but can see it's use.

    17. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by wakejagr · · Score: 1

      So, you're saying "It's not a good feature because I don't use it".

      I realize you are saying that IE works for you, so you don't need firefox. That's great, but if you stack the two side-by-side for someone who is interested in choosing, firefox scores more points.

      I'm "live and let live" to the extreem (wtf do I care if you use IE, and whether or not your system gets hosed in the process). That doesn't keep me from being able to look at the relative strengths and weaknesses of each option and discovering that if someone asks me what I think they should use, I'll tell them firefox in 95% of cases (really, you'd recomment firefox for the CLI only box I ssh into? No, that's why I said 95%). Similarly, I'd recommend linux to a lot of people, provided I think they have the mental capacity to learn new things, because I think it's a better overall system.

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    18. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by Tezprice · · Score: 1
      Ok, so IE isn't so insecure if you don't click the wrong links, but wouldn't you rather have a better browser? Do you use IE because you do a lot of web design work or have you never seen the need to switch? Sure IE7 has tabbed browsing but I found it to be unstable, un-customisable and not very intuitive (Maybe this will change when it's released but somehow I doubt it.).

      Firefox and Opera are both along way from perfect but IE7 isn't far from unusable.

    19. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by MSFanBoi · · Score: 1, Funny

      I don't find anything "better" in Firefox or Opera. I use IE because it works perfectly fine for me, has never given me any issues in the past, and well, it just works.

      I've found IE 7's tabbing to work exactly the way I want tabs to work, and VERY intuative. But thats just my opinion.

      All my common use systems are running IE 7 Beta1 and I find it very very usable. Again thats just my opnion, but as can clearly be seen, that opinion on Slashdot (which is still more than 75% Windows read and I'm willing to bet around 70% IE read), is troll branding material.

    20. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by ElGameR · · Score: 1

      Apparently, you don't browse. Or, he just only browses his own computer...

    21. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by pmsyyz · · Score: 1
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    22. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And don't forget "lol what"?

    23. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by kayen_telva · · Score: 2, Insightful

      did you just say...that for most people, Internet Explorer is virus and pop up free ?

      get out from under the bridge much ?

    24. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by bleaknik · · Score: 1

      I made no endorsements of the product whatsoever. In fact, I've got a handful of complaints about it already.

      1.) It forces MSN desktop search upon you, and short of uninstalling it, there seems to be no way to turn this service off. 2.) I've also noticed the poor GUI that's presented by the MSN toolbar... refreshing, availability of buttons, etc. 3.) It's still IE. Hehe.

      I just figured I'd point this... "revolution" out to slashdot. hehe.

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    25. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hadn't touched Opera after giving Opera 5 a whirl but with the offer of free registration I thought I would give the new one a go. I installed it with ease but using it was a different matter. This is what Opera had to say on the issue of an unsupported proxy authentication method. What a joke. I'll stick to Firefox thanks.

    26. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by acebone · · Score: 0

      Compared to Firefox - IE sux at surfing porn...

      You never do that ?

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    27. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by xtracto · · Score: 1

      Nope, he Explore! ...

      no comments.

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    28. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by niskel · · Score: 1

      So how about IE not supporting web standards (example)? IE detracts from the web as a whole because designers are unable to implement useful features because they have to accomidate all the IE users and their browser that doesn't know its ass from its face when dealing with css.

    29. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera by unitron · · Score: 1
      " did you just say...that for most people, Internet Explorer is virus and pop up free ?"

      Well of course. It's not the browser that gets all the problems it lets through, it's the OS, the Registery, and all those poor defenseless random executables. :-)

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  2. Easy instructions by dividedsky319 · · Score: 3, Informative

    "For one day only, you can get an ad-free version of Opera. Simply e-mail registerme@opera.com to obtain a registration code. This offer is valid from 12 a.m. Tuesday, August 30 to 12 a.m. Wednesday, August 31 2005 (PDT)."

    1. Re:Easy instructions by nemexi · · Score: 5, Informative

      Didn't work for me, took a few hours for others. This link gives you a reg code immediately.

    2. Re:Easy instructions by spydir31 · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's not right, just go to this page and give em an email, get code

    3. Re:Easy instructions by kworthington · · Score: 0, Troll

      If you want to try it here's a way to get it for FREE WITHOUT GIVING YOUR REAL EMAIL ADDRESS: http://my.opera.com/community/party/reg.dml?email= yourname%40email.com
      Another hint: keep hitting reload, and you can get unlimited reg codes.
      Enjoy.

    4. Re:Easy instructions by loner0208 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Another hint: keep hitting reload, and you can get unlimited reg codes.

      What's the point? You only need one set, and the more you get the more you deprive others from getting a set too.

    5. Re:Easy instructions by Bogtha · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Now the person who runs the email.com domain is going to get swamped with emails from Opera. Good work.

      Read RFC 2606. It explicitly reserves the .invalid TLD for use in situations like this.

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    6. Re:Easy instructions by Benanov · · Score: 1

      Doesn't example.com (example.net, example.org) also work for situations like this?

    7. Re:Easy instructions by TCM · · Score: 1

      Actually, no. example.com ist for usage in documentation, not actual installations.

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    8. Re:Easy instructions by slavemowgli · · Score: 1

      Actually, IIRC, the domain name "example.com" is similarly reserved, and should be used instead of things like "acme.com" (which is registered to a real person). Still, even many RFCs get it wrong and use acme.com for examples.

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    9. Re:Easy instructions by tacensi · · Score: 1
      Still, even many RFCs get it wrong and use acme.com for examples.
      Or http://www.asdf.com/
    10. Re:Easy instructions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, and that link doesn't work in Firefox :)

    11. Re:Easy instructions by stretch0611 · · Score: 1
      Doesn't example.com also work for situations like this?

      Personally, when I use a fake email address, I use something like bill.gates@microsoft.com. That way I get what I want and Microsoft gets spammed. A win-win situation in my mind. :)

      attn: Humorless Moderators: You can mod me as a troll, but I bet most people giggled or plan on trying this the next time they are asked for their email address.

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  3. Kudos Opera and quickie registration link by xmas2003 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Great idea Opera - I wonder if other companies would consider doing this - i.e. get free Windows Vista registration on Bill Gates 50th birthday? BTW, here's a direct link to the Free Registration Page and I see chat, photos, and some podcasting/MP3's are available ... but no live webcam feed of their party - I'm sure that would be more exciting that the concrete cam ... ;-)

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    1. Re:Kudos Opera and quickie registration link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      smart companies realise this just pisses off paying customers.

    2. Re:Kudos Opera and quickie registration link by Iriel · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now if Opera really wants some market share, they just need to find more things to celebrate for another 364 days with the same benefits... ;) </toungeincheek>

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    3. Re:Kudos Opera and quickie registration link by nicomen · · Score: 1

      Not really, as the Premium support which you get by buying Opera is not included in the free give-away.

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    4. Re:Kudos Opera and quickie registration link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, this is a terrible idea, it makes people like me who actually paid them for the registration feel like suckers and are unlikely to give them more money in the future.

    5. Re:Kudos Opera and quickie registration link by Dave2+Wickham · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But people who get free keys don't have the full benefits of a paid for Opera reg. I registered Opera just to support them (though I do use it on my laptop, for memory usage), but I still have things that free key people don't - discounted upgrades, free premium support, more keys (I don't remember seeing OS/2 or Mac OS classic keys when I gave it a go, though I may be mis-remembering :P), and that warm fuzzy feeling from supporting an innovative company.

    6. Re:Kudos Opera and quickie registration link by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Why would you say that. If I bought a TV yesterday and today they are giving it away for free I am not going to hate them for giving it away for free. I may feel a bit bothered that I couldn't wait an other day but not Pissed off. It is simular to 1994 when Seeing the onset of Windows 95 which would require more memory and hearing that Memory manufactures are having trouble keeping up with production. So I figured that I should buy memory now because price will skyrocket. So I shelled out $600 for 16 Megs of Ram, then to have 6 months later the price for that 16megs drop to under a $100. I took a chance and I loss. Other times I win. it is life.

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    7. Re:Kudos Opera and quickie registration link by erki · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, the reason I paid them (4 days ago actually) was to express my thanks for a kick-ass browser I've been using for years.

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    8. Re:Kudos Opera and quickie registration link by ninjakoala · · Score: 1

      I also paid for the browser and don't feel ripped off in any way. It's a great browser and I've enjoyed using it. I hope they get more people hooked this way, since that will benefit us all (larger market share = more sites are tested on Opera).

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    9. Re:Kudos Opera and quickie registration link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I bought a TV yesterday and today they are giving it away for free I am not going to hate them for giving it away for free. I may feel a bit bothered that I couldn't wait an other day but not Pissed off.

      Congratulations, you are unique. Every normal human being in the world does get pissed off if they pay money for something and the next guy who comes along gets it for free.

      Note that minor discounts and sales don't have this effect. If I miss out on a 10% discount because I go shopping the day before a sale starts, I don't care. But if I miss out on something free? You bet your life I get pissed off.

    10. Re:Kudos Opera and quickie registration link by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      Great idea Opera - I wonder if other companies would consider doing this - i.e. get free Windows Vista registration on Bill Gates 50th birthday?

      No, there is an important difference: Opera is essentially an "underdog" trying to gain more than just their currently small market share, while MS is a dominant monopoly and you most likely are going to (have to) use Vista eventually regardless of whether or not you want to or even whether or not you like it. So 'why should they' make an effort? It comes down to necessity: Opera needs to make extra effort to win new users, Bill Gates doesn't need to at all. If Microsoft were the underdog then sure, they'd also be doing clever marketing gimmicks to get you talking about them and increase market share.

    11. Re:Kudos Opera and quickie registration link by Kelson · · Score: 1

      If Microsoft were the underdog then sure, they'd also be doing clever marketing gimmicks to get you talking about them and increase market share.

      And we even have documented proof in the form of Internet Explorer versions 1-4.

    12. Re:Kudos Opera and quickie registration link by coljac · · Score: 1

      I've bought two licenses from Opera in the past, and I'm really pleased by this move. The more people use opera, the more I will benefit - web sites will be better tested in Opera, more plugins will get written, and Opera Software will be around longer! Plus I can encourage family and friends to swap without them having to see ads in their browser like some sort of P2P client.

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    13. Re:Kudos Opera and quickie registration link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to relax. Seriously.

    14. Re:Kudos Opera and quickie registration link by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Actually my OS/2 version (5.12) wouldn't even load the page. Quite strange

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    15. Re:Kudos Opera and quickie registration link by Dave2+Wickham · · Score: 1

      Load as in correctly render, or load as in load at all? If the latter, I think it's been taking a bit of hammering; I've had trouble accessing it with Opera 8 and Firefox at different times.

    16. Re:Kudos Opera and quickie registration link by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Actually retrying with plain PPP it connected fine. Just doesn't like my firewall. Slashdot is the same, unless I connect with plain PPP to post a comment I can't reconnect for about 12 hrs though shit.slashdot.org still works.
      And no OS/2 reg #

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    17. Re:Kudos Opera and quickie registration link by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Not load at all. Didn't like my dialer+firewall (injoy). I think it (and slashdot) think I'm an open-proxy. Connecting with plain PPP fixed it

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    18. Re:Kudos Opera and quickie registration link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the parent is actually insightful. _selling_ a software like a browser seems weird these days.

      i only actually tried opera today because i could. i would have never 1) bought it 2) used it with ads.

    19. Re:Kudos Opera and quickie registration link by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      As I see it. I got what I wanted at a Price I was willing to pay. Just because someone else get a better deal it shouldn't consern me.

      I normally dont do this but it is like a story in the bible. Were a land owner hired some workers for the day and the Man who started work early the morning got paid the same as the man that started work mid day. The man who started early went why should the other guy get paid as much as me because he did more work. The owner stated that he agreed for the payment for his work, and should be happy he got his payment he agreed to. Just because the worker who came in later got paid the same is no consern to him because it is the owners right to show generosity.

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  4. Registration Code by nemexi · · Score: 3, Informative

    Get your free registration code here.

    1. Re:Registration Code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get free karma here.

  5. Codes are for by byolinux · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Windows, GNU/Linux Intel, GNU/Linux PowerPC, GNU/Linux Sparc, FreeBSD, Solaris and Macintosh.

    Pretty good give away. Opera is a good third browser, after Firefox and Safari.

    1. Re:Codes are for by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 1

      Dang. The only place I use Opera is on my OS/2 box.

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    2. Re:Codes are for by Dakisha · · Score: 5, Informative

      After firefox and safari? :)

      I use opera before I'll touch firefox. There is the odd website that prefers firefox, but its pretty rare.

      This is nothing more than the usual opera fan pouring his heart out about how wonderful the interface to opera is. I cant stand the tab implimentation in firefox, it's borked!

      Tabs in opera work with proper focusing. If you have 5 notepad windows open, click number 1, then 5, then close 5 - you expect number 1 to be below it. If windows were firefox then you'd be presented with number 4. Not to mention the bare minimum of shortcut keys in firefox.

      what can I say - I'm an opera fan, it does what I want it to, it does it quickly, it saves me time over the course of a day. And the email client rocks once you learn how to use it. I get ~300 emails a day that need my attention, and operas system of filters and views lets me manage it all with minimal hassle.

      I also have some 30,000 emails in opera and it still searches the whole lot in real time. If I had to complain, I'd only ask for one more feature.

      Nested tabs. Opera has a session manager ; when you close it, you can have it load excatly where you left off. All the tabs you had open are all waiting for you when you re-open the browser.

      While this does do away with the need for bookmarks - it does leave you with 20-30 tabs constantly open sometimes. If I could sort these into catagorys - my torrents/anime go into one nested set of tabs, my tech news into another - all those pages could hide in the space it takes for just one tab until I need them.

      I keep meaning to send this in as a feature request.

      Thats enough rambling on the joys of opera ; free key, now you've got no excuse :)

    3. Re:Codes are for by semifamous · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, but the fact that you can add all of those features (including that "Tab Groups" feature you wanted and more) to Firefox with Extensions is what makes Firefox so great. If you want a feature, just grab the extension. I like how much Firefox can be customized.

      Can I have Flashblock in Opera? How about something like the "NukeAnything" extension? Can I configure it to automatically open new tabs when I type an address in the address bar? I'm sure there's a way to do that. I just haven't found it yet. Can someone point me there? I'm going to give Opera a try since it's free, but so far, I can't figure out how to get things the way I have them in Firefox.

    4. Re:Codes are for by Y-Crate · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Pretty good give away. Opera is a good third browser, after Firefox and Safari."

      Let's not forget OmniWeb which is OS X-only and exists as a wonderful showcase of efficient multithreaded Cocoa programming and a damn good browser. It's not free, but after giving it a test drive I can't imagine why I wouldn't pay for it if I had the cash around to do so at the moment. I like Safari...well, actually...I love Safari, but OmniWeb makes Safari look like a broken down Land Rover on a er...nevermind. While OmniWeb is the Concorde roaring overhead.

      Due to my small laptop screen, I have to say that if they added an option to display Tabs at the top of the screen (as opposed to the drawer they currently reside in), I would probably go sell crack on the street to pay for it now.

    5. Re:Codes are for by moo083 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Although remember that OmniWeb is based on WebKit. That is, it essentially is Safari with a different interface.

    6. Re:Codes are for by brokenarmsgordon · · Score: 0, Troll

      Can I drag tab 1 to the right of tab 2, even with extensions? No? Fantastic.

    7. Re:Codes are for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      'Can I have Flashblock in Opera?'
      Press F12 and uncheck 'Enable plug-ins'.

      'How about something like the "NukeAnything" extension?'
      Use CSS style sheets to block certain objects. Nothing from a context menu, though, as far as I know.

      'Can I configure it to automatically open new tabs when I type an address in the address bar?'
      Shift+enter opens in a new tab.

      Hope that helped a little, good luck using Opera!

    8. Re:Codes are for by EvilMonkeySlayer · · Score: 3, Funny

      As the great Elzar would say:

      Bam!

    9. Re:Codes are for by the+unbeliever · · Score: 1

      I have no problem doing that, after installing TBE. (and probably before, but I refuse to even disable this extension)

    10. Re:Codes are for by Reverend528 · · Score: 1

      yes, this certainly will make a fine replacement for dillo.

    11. Re:Codes are for by Y-Crate · · Score: 1

      "Although remember that OmniWeb is based on WebKit. That is, it essentially is Safari with a different interface.

      True, and I should have remembered to point this out in my OP, but the difference between them for the enduser is truly night and day.

    12. Re:Codes are for by byolinux · · Score: 1
      Why does Opera not feel like a Windows app on my Windows box? A Mac app on my Mac?

      Why I don't like Opera so much...

      • Hard to block ads (no Adblock/PithHelmet)
      • Lack of plugins?
      • Interface is inconsistent
    13. Re:Codes are for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have the right extensions, and they don't conflict with your other extensions, and they've been updated for your version of firefox. I got fed up with firefox when a certain mix of extensions made firefox fail to load, and the only solution was to start a new profile and try again.

    14. Re:Codes are for by brokenarmsgordon · · Score: 1

      "miniT (drag+indicator) 0.4 could not be installed because it is not compatible with this version of Firefox. (miniT (drag+indicator) 0.4 will only work with Firefox versions from 0.9 to 0.10)". Wicked awesome!

    15. Re:Codes are for by masklinn · · Score: 1

      It is indeed.

      iCab, on the other hand, feature it's own rendering engine

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    16. Re:Codes are for by Rogue+Pat · · Score: 1

      Unless i understand your comment wrong, the answer to that will be "yes".

      This has been a feature of the development builds of Firefox for quite a while by now (June 2005). See bugzilla bug number 179656.

    17. Re:Codes are for by brokenarmsgordon · · Score: 1

      If it will have it, then that's great. It's practically ironic for a visual-delivery application to poorly apply its delivered visuals.

      But how does something still in development help me out today? We might as well be arguing about the PS3 and the XBox360.

    18. Re:Codes are for by rsheridan6 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I prefer Firefox's interface, but Opera is undeniably faster. I use Firefox for normal browsing, but for long documents like manuals, I use Opera, which can search through several hundred KB worth of html without slowing down a bit (unlike Firefox on my machinge).

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    19. Re:Codes are for by deesine · · Score: 0


      Tab Mix Plus for Firefox:1.0-Dearpark. Totally Rad!

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    20. Re:Codes are for by aesiamun · · Score: 1

      and what version of firefox are you running?

      0.8? Come on man, swallow the 8 megs of bandwidth and download the new build...

    21. Re:Codes are for by Dave2+Wickham · · Score: 1

      I believe that Opera has Windows and Mac support for native look and feel (pick a skin which says it uses native skins). Unfortunately it doesn't support native Qt/GTK themes on Linux (which is annoying), but as you didn't bring that up I guess that's not a problem.

      In terms of how it actually feels, it feels just like a Windows app on Windows to me (am I missing something?). Opera 6 feels like a Mac app on my newest Mac, but that is a Power Macintosh 8500/180; I have no idea how Opera 8 feels on Mac OS X.

    22. Re:Codes are for by Dave2+Wickham · · Score: 1

      Gah! Teach me to hit "Submit" instead of "Preview"...

      In terms of "hard to block ads" I agree. I've seen some solutions, but they all seem pretty complex to me.

      Lack of plugins, I disagree. Opera can use Netscape plugins just fine. Unless you mean extensions, in which case I also agree with you - I would prefer it if Opera were more extensible.

      ("Slashdot requires you to wait between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment.
      It's been 4 minutes since you last successfully posted a comment
      Chances are, you're behind a firewall or proxy, or clicked the Back button to accidentally reuse a form. Please try again. If the problem persists, and all other options have been tried, contact the site administrator." Let's try posting non-AC...)

    23. Re:Codes are for by nicomen · · Score: 4, Informative

      Opera has a lot of nifty "extensions" by using User Javascript. That means JavaScript snippets that are appended to web pages (this in addition to being able to have JavaScript in buttons and panels)

      The webpage http://userjs.org/ has a lot of them listed.

      NukeExtension and Flashblock:

          http://userjs.org/scripts/general/enhancements/hid e-objects

          http://userjs.org/scripts/general/enhancements/rem ove-transparent-flash

      Open new tab when typing address:

          Type this in the addressbar:

          javascript:void window.open("http://cnn.com");

          Ok, a but long, but you can add a button that pops up a requester (and open the address in a new tab) in a very simple manner.

          You can also cut'n'paste the address and when middle clicking tell opera to open that url in a new tab.

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    24. Re:Codes are for by brokenarmsgordon · · Score: 1

      That would be 1.0.6, thank you.

    25. Re:Codes are for by Mugros · · Score: 1

      I like the way FF handles tab focus. If you like it to be different, get TabMixPlus and change the focus behaviour.
      And how do you define "real time" for a search in emails? It is not like time stands still if my bat searches the email database. FF ain't an email client, BTW.
      Session saving can be added with extensions and will be integrated in later versions of FF.
      Anyway, enjoy your browser, until it is the IE.

    26. Re:Codes are for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yay. I even get to restart firefox. yummy. Now wheres that session manager? hmm.

    27. Re:Codes are for by Arker · · Score: 1

      I was a huge Opera fan for a long time, and bought it years ago.

      I wasn't happy that it bloated, but it's still less bloated than the alternatives. And you're right, on Windows at least, the interface was always the best. It's a true MDI, rather than the half-assed 'tabs' imitation, and it's far better IMOP.

      Trouble is, the less I used windows, the less use I had for Opera. The Linux and Mac versions just weren't up to snuff, and eventually I switched to Mozilla because of that.

      I hear they've improved a lot though, so I think I'll give it another try.

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    28. Re:Codes are for by Arker · · Score: 1

      I tried and tried to get firefox to work like this with extensions, and only managed to get it b0rked and have to wipe and start over, several times, without ever getting anywhere near what I want.

      There's an extension that converts the 'tabs' into a real MDI, where you can lay different documents side by side, for instance? I never found it.

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    29. Re:Codes are for by eric76 · · Score: 1

      It could be the best browser in the world, but I wouldn't use it unless it were available on more than just one platform.

      It would be another matter if there were no multi-platform browsers.

    30. Re:Codes are for by Knightking · · Score: 1

      Hold down shift while doing basically anything in Opera (including hitting enter after typing in an address), and the result opens in a new page. Add ctrl, and the page opens in the background.

    31. Re:Codes are for by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      This is nothing more than the usual opera fan pouring his heart out about how wonderful the interface to opera is. I cant stand the tab implimentation in firefox, it's borked!

      I can't stand the rendering implementation in Opera, it's borked (yes seriously it has a lot more bugs than firefox - I'd go so far to say that the only browser worse is IE).

      That aside, the first thing I notice about Opera is that the interface takes up so much more screen space than any other browser.

      Opera has a session manager ; when you close it, you can have it load excatly where you left off. All the tabs you had open are all waiting for you when you re-open the browser.

      Umm, yes, firefox will do that too...

      I'm not sure Opera even supports XSLT yet does it? (something that even IE has supported since version 5!)

    32. Re:Codes are for by erki · · Score: 1

      With host filters, user CSS and user JavaScript there is little you cannot do.

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    33. Re:Codes are for by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      There's an extension that converts the 'tabs' into a real MDI, where you can lay different documents side by side, for instance? I never found it.

      I never figured out *why* anyone would want an MDI in any application - it's like a mini windowing environment inside a window, where's the advantage over just opening separate windows on your desktop?

    34. Re:Codes are for by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      No, ask any pro developer, that "webkit" is heavily modified for Omni Group.

      There is also great Omni SDK's in action, omni network SDK etc.

      Or... I should be using latest webkit now just because I updated Safari.

      http://www.omnigroup.com/developer/ will show what Omni group is and why they are that much respected.

      Also why its customers insist on using it while its coded for webkit 2 now, I mean webkit 2.x modified now. :)

    35. Re:Codes are for by DiarmuidBourke · · Score: 1

      Try editing your hosts file. "addserver 127.0.0.1"

    36. Re:Codes are for by Txiasaeia · · Score: 1
      Monroe's Ad Filter is amazing. Download the program, spend about thirty seconds setting it up, download their list, close opera, and *Boom* - all ads are gone. Come across one? Get the address, open up the ad filter, put it in, and close it again.

      I've been struggling with CSS adblockers in Opera for a couple of years, but this program makes it really, really simple. To be honest, until my monthy reinstall of Windows, I forget I've even got the program.

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    37. Re:Codes are for by Txiasaeia · · Score: 1

      You do realise that it takes about a minute to strip down the interface to practically nothing, right? Like this!

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    38. Re:Codes are for by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      You do realise that it takes about a minute to strip down the interface to practically nothing, right? Like this!

      Yes, but why isn't it like that as default - that's the first thing a new user sees when they fire it up and certainly for me it made me want to immediately shut it down again and go back to firefox (although unfortunately I couldn't do that since the only reason I was using the thing was to test how badly it rendered a (XHTML strict) website I was designing).

      Oh, another annoyance is that it defaults to pretending it's IE (by sending a fake UA string), which IMHO is very very broken.

    39. Re:Codes are for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was Opera fanboy for ages. This guide to migration from Opera to Firefox has how to emulate all the best features of Opera, while getting the fantastic extras that Firefox extensions give. (like WebDeveloper, CoralizeThis, Bugmenot, Adblock, NukeAnything)

    40. Re:Codes are for by fbjon · · Score: 4, Informative
      Wow, another adblock-troll, here goes the response:

      There are more options than that. Notice also that none of these are required to filter anything, the function is already built into Opera. These things just make it more convenient, but you can set up your filters manually in your filter.ini-file.

      It's not as convenient as the FFx-extensions though, but I see no ads in Opera now. In both browsers, once it's set up, it's set up anyway.

      The interface is clunky in this one, but it's very logical and you can block anything (of course): OperaAdFilter (freeware). You can simply filter all *.swf files if you so desire, or all servers starting with "http://ad.*". Another option for open-source advocates is C++AdBlock . If you want to know how the filtering works, there is a good explanation of it. Lastly, notice that you can block IP-ranges as well.

      All of these happen to be the first things in a simple Google search .

      I don't know if this was a troll, but so many people say this as "the only reason they don't switch", that it's just idiotic. From now on, anyone who mentions this again, will have their geek license removed , effective immediately!

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    41. Re:Codes are for by Arker · · Score: 1

      I never figured out *why* anyone would want an MDI in any application - it's like a mini windowing environment inside a window, where's the advantage over just opening separate windows on your desktop?

      Organisation.

      It's not quite as necessary when I have a real window manager, although even then it's nice. But in Windows, or on my Mac, it's damn near a necessity for certain types of work.

      I might need, for instance, to have three windows open, with three different documents, arranged so that the relevant parts of each are viewable at the same time. Now, sure, I can take three seperate firefox windows and arrange them the way I want them - but then I need to minimise them and deal with something else for a moment, and then come back to the previous setup.

      The only way to do this well on a Windows or Mac box is with an MDI browser. There are a lot of hacks and workarounds, but they're time consuming and inefficient compared to simply having an MDI browser.

      Now on my linux box, what I'd do is give that setup it's own virtual desktop, and that works with Firefox fairly well. It's still handier to have them inside a single container, but at least it's not so incredibly annoying as it is on other systems.

      And yes, I know in theory you can get virtual desktops on Mac and Windows now too. I haven't used Windows in a long time, but on Mac all the solutions I've tried wound up not working very well, and being really more trouble than they're worth. But with or without virtual desktops, I still find MDI to be a very worthwhile feature in my browser.

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    42. Re:Codes are for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try Privoxy.
      All you need is to install Privoxy, run it and type to the proxy part configuration file/dialog panel of ANY browser on ANY operating system
      name: localhost port:8118
      Done.

      You can have this working on Windows, Linux, or FreeBSD in under 1 minute. I have personaly tried that.

    43. Re:Codes are for by fbjon · · Score: 1
      None of that is valid anymore. Opera reports itself as Opera, and has almost the same screen space as Firefox by default. It also has some of the best XHTML strict interpretation out there.

      Seems like articles about Opera have become the new trolling playground right now...

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    44. Re:Codes are for by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1
      where's the advantage over just opening separate windows on your desktop?


      If you tile them, you don't have to have two menu bars and two sets of toolbar buttons.
    45. Re:Codes are for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good giveaway, yes. But for an image with the caption "Pants are optional", this is the worst photo I have ever seen.

      http://my.opera.com/community/party/partypics.dml? pic=20

    46. Re:Codes are for by AnyoneEB · · Score: 1

      'Can I have Flashblock in Opera?' Press F12 and uncheck 'Enable plug-ins'.
      The point of Flashblock is to make every Flash element independently optional.
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    47. Re:Codes are for by Rogue+Pat · · Score: 1

      I understand what you mean :)

      But unlike the PS3 or Xbox 3...60 you can already get your hands on this feature.

      Mozilla.org is currently prepping the next full release of Firefox, the one that includes this feature and test versions can be downloaded from http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nig htly/

      The branch builds are frozen for features and getting more stable by the day. However if this is not your style you'll have to hang in for a bit longer until the official FF 1.5 is released.

      But either way you'll have drag&drop reordering of tabs in Firefox before you'll see a PS3 ;)

    48. Re:Codes are for by Txiasaeia · · Score: 1

      I just installed Opera 8.02 (fresh format), and it's set to identify itself as MSIE 6.0.

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    49. Re:Codes are for by Txiasaeia · · Score: 1

      I don't know why this isn't the default setting *now*, but when I switched four or so years ago, this was the default setting. Besides, as I said, it takes less than a minute to get rid of all the useless stuff (right click -> customize -> uncheck stuff), so what's the big deal (now that I've shown you how it can look)?

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    50. Re:Codes are for by swf · · Score: 1
      If you have 5 notepad windows open, click number 1, then 5, then close 5 - you expect number 1 to be below it.
      No, I don't. Eclipse does this too and I find it incredibly annoying. If I'm flipping through a few dozen different tabs I won't remember what the previous tab was. When I close the tab and it goes to the previous one it is basically doing something that from my perspective is non-deterministic. Call me old fashioned but I prefer the straight-forward tab closing of Firefox to the non-deterministic tab closing of Opera.
    51. Re:Codes are for by deesine · · Score: 0

      Goto molliza and search for "session manager". Jeez, how hard is that?

      You want me to get you some milk and cookies now too?

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    52. Re:Codes are for by Fweeky · · Score: 1

      "I can't stand the rendering implementation in Opera, it's borked (yes seriously it has a lot more bugs than firefox"

      This isn't my experience. Obscure clipping bugs, rendering problems and general clunkiness seem to be mainly the realm of IE and Gecko when I'm knocking out CSS and HTML. YMMV, a few anecdotes doesn't exactly make good evidence :)

      Ironically when I look up half these bugs in Gecko, the QA contact is a guy who works for Opera QA.. :)

      "I'm not sure Opera even supports XSLT yet does it?"

      No. Am I expected to believe this is a significant omission next to all the other stuff it supports? I'm sure if more than 3 demo websites try using it Opera will adapt. Does Firefox support SVG out of the box yet? Aural stylesheets and voice I/O? BitTorrent? I dare say these are more interesting to more people than an awful XML transformation language most people like purely server-side.

      "(something that even IE has supported since version 5!)"

      Right. Wasn't it based on working draft specifications and thus pretty much entirely broken by release? I remember it barely being able to parse well formed XML, never mind any languages using it.

    53. Re:Codes are for by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Yes, but the fact that you can add all of those features (including that "Tab Groups" feature you wanted and more) to Firefox with Extensions is what makes Firefox so great."

      Yeah, if you have one computer. If you work across 3 like I do (Desktop, laptop, work station) then keeping track of all these extensions is a real chore.

      Kudos to the Firefox team for making it extensible, kudos to the Opera team for cooking up a great set of features that are ripe and ready to go.

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    54. Re:Codes are for by nicomen · · Score: 1

      Actually, you can even just press [ctrl]+[shift]+[enter] in the adress bar to open in a new tab and [shift]+[enter] for opening in a new window.

      If you have set all windows to open as tabs, the latter should work.

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    55. Re:Codes are for by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Honest question: What does Firefox have (either natively or via extensions) which Opera doesn't?

      It may or may not be true that the things I love about Opera (from proper tabbed browsing, where the tabs are saved, to an "Undo" function to open pages you accidently closed) are available in Firefox via extensions. But whilst it's easy to install Firefox (indeed, I have it installed), it's a hassle to have to hunt around to see what extensions are available.

      Firefox may be great, but this is why I continue to use Opera.

    56. Re:Codes are for by AleFeanor · · Score: 1

      You can even strip it down more by placing the menu inside a button, like this: http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/3747/dibujo7ly. jpg, is pretty cool!

    57. Re:Codes are for by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 1

      you've obviously never used adblock if you make a comment like that. in adblock a rule "*/ads/*" will block any content with /ads/ in the path. thats thousands of ads over many servers blocked in one rule; your method blocks one server

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    58. Re:Codes are for by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Really, well in that case it will be identifying strictly as Opera by default in the next release. Notice also, that although it has IE's agent-string, it tacks Opera/8.0 at the end, so it' essentially both, since searching for "Opera" will return a match. Identifying as strictly IE requires editing the config files.

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    59. Re:Codes are for by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 1

      monthly reinstall of windows? wow, that is bad... perhaps its time to jump ship to something better

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    60. Re:Codes are for by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 1

      i liked your post, i really did. it got me all enthusiastic about giving opera a proper go, i went and locked at OperaAdFilter and it looked like just what i was looking for... until i clicked download and found it was windows only :( looks like ill be sticking with firefox/safari for a while longer then. why is it that a browser extention requires a particular platform to function? is it just a stupid installer that i could run on a windows pc and grab the important files or is it actually windows dependend?

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    61. Re:Codes are for by whatever3003 · · Score: 1
      Can I configure it to automatically open new tabs when I type an address in the address bar?

      yes and no. In an open tab, write the new URL in the address bar and do shift+enter - it opens the address in a new tab. using ctrl+shift+enter instead will open the address in a new tab in the background (current tab keeps focus).

      Hopes this helps some.

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    62. Re:Codes are for by DiarmuidBourke · · Score: 1

      I agree with you. But there are places available online that maintain lists of addservers. For example, http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.txt is one such place. There is also software available to do this automatically, ZoneAlarm6 Pro can block certain adds. I've seen another, but can't remember the name of it, because I'm hungover.
      If the hosts file allowed regular expressions, it would be wonderfull, but it doesn't. I had a quick google for other methods of filtering adds, checking sourceforge there is, http://adzapper.sourceforge.net/ , http://filterproxy.sourceforge.net/ and maybe some others. I don't think those two mentioned run under windows though.
      Anyways, good luck and thanks for the reply.

    63. Re:Codes are for by fbjon · · Score: 1
      No, the filtering isn't windows-dependent, but that particular GUI happens to be. I haven't quite found any others, so perhaps your best bet is to follow the (rather easy) instructions at the third link. As far as I can see, the instructions should be exactly the same for both (maybe all) platforms.

      Just don't go overboard with the wildcards (* and ?), and go blocking too broad URLs like "http://*ad*" ... you might block quite a lot of stuff with that :). "http://ad.*" or similar are okay though, and of course very specific ones too, like "http://www.obnoxiousimages.com/images/advert/*"

      Or indeed, for clean browsing, try: "http://*.asp" ;)

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    64. Re:Codes are for by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 1

      i had a quick try of this yesterday (few slight differences in file names etc) and found it didnt seem to block ads triggered by javascript. i blocked "*.falkag.net*" (or whatever that company /. seems to pull its ads from) and it blocked the static images, but the big .swf ones that are loaded through a .js script stubbornly refused to go away. any advice on killing them?

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  6. Happy Birthday Opera! by samj · · Score: 4, Informative
    The form was already running slowly before Slashdot arrived so if it breaks (as it no doubt will), you can get a code by mail per http://www.download.com/Opera/3000-2356_4-10421507 .html?tag=excl
    Note: For one day only, you can get an ad-free version of Opera. Simply e-mail registerme@opera.com to obtain a registration code. This offer is valid from 12 a.m. Tuesday, August 30 to 12 a.m. Wednesday, August 31 2005 (PDT).
    1. Re:Happy Birthday Opera! by thc69 · · Score: 1

      I emailed first thing this morning from three addresses, haven't got a response back. I recommend going to the form if possible.

      It wasn't slow for me.

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  7. The one thing keeping me from using Opera by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Zooming with the scroll wheel also zooms the images. I only want it to zoom text (like Firefox). Anyone know how to change this behavior?

    1. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can change the font-size in preferences

    2. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by blueskies · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's what I love about it...who else has a real zoom? That and the lack of multiple document interfaces that all of the other browsers I've tried are lacking. Most are SDI with a tab hack.

    3. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by KDR_11k · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can use custom stylesheets but the zoom is meant to zoom everything (great for flash movies or something that takes up only a small part of your window). You can define a minimum font size in the options (advanced->fonts), though.

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    4. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 1

      Text scales well. Images, not so much. Well, unless you work for CSI.
      So not only does it get ugly, but on some of the bad sites out there that have [images][text][images] columns you can end up with a lot more image than you want.

    5. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by someonewhois · · Score: 1

      I was always under the impression that the market (even Opera users) acknowleged that Opera had a tab-hacked MDI, and others (like Firefox) had tabs added as a seperate feature.

    6. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by Some+Random+Username · · Score: 1

      With opera, when I click a link that is set to open in a new window, it opens in a tab. In firefox, it opens in a window, even though I told it I want tabs, not windows. As far as I know, you have to use an extension to get firefox to behave right.

    7. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by ip_vjl · · Score: 1

      There's no way in the UI from doing it, but if you open 'about:config' you can set the preferences manually.

      You may need to create these keys if they don't exist. Set the value to the starred value to get the result you're looking for.

      browser.link.open_newwindow
      1 - open in current window
      2 - open in new window (default)
      3 - open in new tab [*]
      (HTML links that want to open a new window)

      browser.link.open_newwindow.restriction
      0 - divert everything (default)
      1 - divert target='_blank' but not javascript: window.open()
      2 - divert everything except window.open() with three parameters
      (Optional further refinement on new window requests)

    8. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Opera is an MDI with tabs, while Firefox just has the tabs. This makes Opera better, because there are times when you want to tile two pages so you can look at both at once. You can do this in Opera, but not in Firefox.

    9. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by Guitarzan · · Score: 1

      Or if you prefer clicking buttons, just go grab the Tabbrowser Preferences extension.

    10. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      This is the one thing keeping me from using Firefox !

    11. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by Some+Random+Username · · Score: 1

      Ok, you don't need the extension, it just makes it so you can see the hidden settings, fair enough. Simple things like this should be available in the options though, kinda like opera.

    12. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Middle click opens in a new tab in Firefox.

    13. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by Arker · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

      Opera uses a full MDI interface. This is so handy for a browser that people started complaining that the other browsers didn't have this. Eventually the Mozilla folks started imitating this with the 'tabs' - but they are nowhere near a full MDI interface, and so still lack many of the useful functions. Just try tiling, or cascading, your tabs for instance. With a full MDI, you can open two webpages side by side, inside the main browser window, to compare them line by line. Or you can give one most of the window space, but reserve a small strip at the bottom for a second - very handy when typing in a text entry field in the second page while quoting from the first page, for instance.

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    14. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by Arker · · Score: 1

      So not only does it get ugly, but on some of the bad sites out there that have [images][text][images] columns you can end up with a lot more image than you want.

      Opera has a nice button that disables images on the page you are viewing, just for sites like that.

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    15. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by Wildclaw · · Score: 1

      For me it is the main feature that Opera has. Zooming only text is pretty useless since it completly deforms the layout of most webpages.

      As far as I know, Opera is the only browser that works decently with a high dpi monitor.

      Another poster in this thread said that images doesn't look good when zoomed. I have to disagree with that. An image viewed at 200% zoom, 1600x1200 res, looks just as good as a not zoomed image at 800x600.

    16. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      I don't know why you would want to tile or cascade fifteen webpages, but if all you want to do is "open two webpages side by side, inside the main browser window, to compare them line by line," then Konqueror will do that for you. And a lot more. Of course, this means you won't be able to use Windows...

      The traditional MDI interface is a major pain in the butt, and has been decried by every usability expert who's ever gotten around to mentioning it. Why do you need a mini-dekstop within your desktop?

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    17. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by 11223 · · Score: 1

      Unless you're on OS X or BeOS (and maybe a few others), window management is done on a per-application basis: there's no easy way to say "Hide all the windows from application X". MDI is a hack to enable that behavior in certain applications.

    18. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by Attrition_cp · · Score: 0

      Also Firefox has an extension enabling you to do all that tile jazz, splitscreening and quartering or whatever you like (via context menu). The only thing I have no idea about is reserving space. Never tried (and I never used it, so uninstalled the extension.. sorry no link).

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    19. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by jc42 · · Score: 1

      Opera uses a full MDI interface. This is so handy for a browser that people started complaining that the other browsers didn't have this.

      Well, this was one of the major reasons that I ignored Opera at first. Its MDI approach was so klunky and so hostile to sharing the screen among multiple tasks that I just wrote it off as the worst design I'd ever seen. With other browsers, each site could have its own window if I liked, and there weren't all those unusable screen areas like you got with Opera. Also, on my multi-desktop linux machine, I can have mozilla and/or firefox windows on all the desktops; Opera would only allow one window on one desktop. That's a good way to rule your app out among people who work with multiple desktops.

      I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would want the MDI approach. I haven't found any situation where it's better than putting each "document" in a separate window that's managed by the windows manager.

      It's curious that the tabbed approach is actually more useful. It sure looks like a special case of MDI, and many people don't see why it's useful. You just have to learn to restrict it to closely-related pages that share a common window shape, typically pages from a single site. Otherwise you spend half your time resizing the window, because of the idiotic size forcing that most sites do.

      Now if we could only persuade the browser makers to permit multiple copies of the same browser. The conventional approach, with all windows managed by a single process, is invariably prone to having all its windows hang because of something you did in one window. The threads packages all seem to produce this behavior, in which a single blocked thread causes the entire process to hang. This is, of course, why multi-tasking was invented decades ago, so that a task's unused cpu cycles (typically due to waiting for some hardware) can be used by other tasks. But browser writers haven't yet caught onto the radical new idea of multi-tasking. Or maybe thty think that threads are the same thing.

      Oh, well; give them another decade or two. In the meantime, we can continue to install 6 or 8 browsers on each machine, so that we can actually time-share our web access.

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    20. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by Kelson · · Score: 1

      With other browsers, each site could have its own window if I liked, and there weren't all those unusable screen areas like you got with Opera. Also, on my multi-desktop linux machine, I can have mozilla and/or firefox windows on all the desktops; Opera would only allow one window on one desktop. That's a good way to rule your app out among people who work with multiple desktops.

      That's basically the experience I had too, though I used Opera as my main browser during the post-Netscape 4, pre-stable Mozilla days because it was the best non-IE browser available at the time. (I was really bitter at the underhanded tactics MS used to ensure victory, or I might have settled on IE - IE4 and NS4 were roughly comparable, but IE5 was considerably better than NS4.)

      The problems have all been fixed over the course of versions 6 through 8, though. The extra UI can be hidden more easily than before, and you can have multiple Opera windows, each with its own set of tabs. With the same items visible in both browsers (toolbar, tabs, bookmark bar, and status bar), a registered (i.e. no-adbar) Opera takes up almost exactly the same amount of space with its UI that Firefox does. (Opera's actually a couple of pixels smaller than Firefox, though at modern screen sizes it hardly matters). Not surprisingly, I now use Opera a lot more than I used to!

    21. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by Kamots · · Score: 1

      Well, it's not exactly what you're asking for, but why not create yourself a stylesheet that sets the font size to whatever you want, then apply that stylesheet when you run across a website with a font-size you dislike?

      While you're at it might as well set font color / background, etc so that you can make a badly designed site readable with one keypress.

      Personally I like having images zoom when I zoom. When I hit an image that won't fit on one page I simply bump zoom down to 80% or whatnot and viola. If I'm looking at a badly sized animated gif that has a high res but is sized to be 1 inch in width or something screwy, then zooming in allows me to see what's going on.

      Now, perhaps an option to select which type of behavior you'd like to have zoom do would be nice, as you said there are instances where having images zoom isn't to be desired. Write a suggestion in to Opera. :)

    22. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a Fit-to-window feature that can automatically resize & reposition elements so that the page width fits your window (i.e., reduces horizontal scroll).

      A side-effect of Fit-to-window is that images tend to stay the same size even if you zoom in.

    23. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by Nimrangul · · Score: 1
      It doesn't actually work. Those options do nothing.

      Supposedly that works in the daily snapshots they've got, but in the most recent release it doesn't do shit all.

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    24. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      Virtually every Unix window manager and desktop supports window groups. Like OSX or BeOS, though, you don't have an immediately obvious control to do it with.

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    25. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try using a real mouse that has three buttons instead of something from the 1990's? :)

    26. Re:The one thing keeping me from using Opera by Nimrangul · · Score: 1

      What the flying fuck does a mouse have to do with the browser refusing to open tabs instead of windows?

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  8. About time by DoddyUK · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The very thing that's put me off Opera is the fact that you have to *pay* to get rid of adverts, especially considering that it's a web browser. I mean, why pay when you gan get a free alternative elsewhere? *cough* Firefox *cough* Still, happy birthday to them.

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    1. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, great arguement on the one day they're giving the software away for free.

      Do ya get mad at the gas station when gas prices were higher yesterday than they were today, too?

    2. Re:About time by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Do ya get mad at the gas station when gas prices were higher yesterday than they were today, too?

      I sure as hell would, if I filled up my tank yesterday.

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    3. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I suppose having to pay is a downside. And it's not that I don't like Firefox... However, I'm currently running both Firefox and Opera under Windows, each with 3 tabs opened to the same 3 pages, and this is what I see in Task Manager:

      Firefox.exe - 34,992 K
      Opera.exe - 13,968 K

      That's why I use Opera most of the time.

      Happy B-day to Opera.

    4. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Keep in mind that the whole "free browser" thing was started by Microsoft. They gave away IE for free in hopes of squashing Netscape and gaining a monopoly on the web. And it worked. It's only after many years that another reasonable free alternative has become available in the form of Firefox, but the damage has been done and will take a looong time to repair.

      So when you go around advocating that all web browsers should be free, you're basically supporting Microsoft's (and other big corps') strategy of gaining market monopolies in unfair ways.

    5. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, then clearly, you should drain your gas tank at that time and refill it, while shaking an angry fist in protest at the proprietor.

    6. Re:About time by DoddyUK · · Score: 1

      I know it's free for today, thus the title "About Time".

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    7. Re:About time by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "I mean, why pay when you gan get a free alternative elsewhere?"

      Because the little Google text ads aren't very obtrusive and Opera's actually a really nice browser?

      Frankly, I'm glad Opera is ad supported. You're right, $40 for a browser these days is a hard sell. However, Opera's making money, in return they're making a good product, and they've been around for 10 years. Ad support != evil evil bad bad bad.

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    8. Re:About time by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

      It's been a while since I used it, but as I recall it was *MUCH* lighter on resources than Firefox. Firefox is pretty darn bloated. Some folks will be glad to pay for a light fast alternative.

    9. Re:About time by Bronz · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Because when you look at a lot of the popular browser innovations, Opera has been a fundamental cornerstone. Tabbed browsing, mouse gestures, a built-in BitTorrent client. All happily working together with a blazingly fast browser. And it's cross-platform. Firefox is a great browser... #2 in my list... but I don't mind rewarding people for innovation. Be it a coprorate entity, shareware registration or a donation to an OSS project.

    10. Re:About time by m50d · · Score: 3, Informative
      I mean, why pay when you gan get a free alternative elsewhere?

      Because it's better, and better by enough to be worth the money.

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    11. Re:About time by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Netscape was free for non-commercial use before IE even existed.

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    12. Re:About time by feargal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'll bite. Why pay? Well, if you're one of the smelly's then obviously all software should be free.

      However if you want to know why some people feel it worthwhile to pay a company for their product, then I have two reasons:

      First, Opera has given me years of painless browsing on FreeBSD since back in the days when the only alternative was the hideously unstable Netscape 4. Gone were the days of "rm -f ~/.netscape/lock && netscape" and in were the days of saved sessions, mouse gestures, and tabbed browsing, not to mention blistering speed. Firefox has only been as usable for a relatively short time. Yes java was a pain, but that was as much FreeBSD related as it was Opera related.

      Second, I wept tears of laughter when they released the "Bork" edition of Opera.

      For either reason, I would have happily paid for it; except I don't have a credit card and so they've collected ad revenue instead.

      I can understand people who switched from IE when Firefox not seeing the point. I suspect however that the number of people who switched from Opera to Firefox is much lower.

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    13. Re:About time by thehemi · · Score: 1

      My Firefox seems to increasingly use RAM to the point that it requires a restart at least once per week. Not sure if it's a browser setting or a memory leak, but either way, it does it out of the box and is pretty annoying.

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    14. Re:About time by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1

      Or better by enough to put up with what is a very tiny add in the top corner. When you get rid of the ads you end up with dead space where they were - so its not like they are taking up valuable real estate. The adblock at the top of this slashdot space is about 5 times more intrusive than the Opera ads ever were.

    15. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually there's been a fair number of free browser predating IE. Microsoft just bundled it with windows so there was no need to go get another browser.

      "So when you go around advocating that all web browsers should be free, you're basically supporting Microsoft's (and other big corps') strategy of gaining market monopolies in unfair ways."

      No not really.

    16. Re:About time by Troed · · Score: 1

      Huh?

      Above my tabs there are two buttons - Back and Reload. To the right of them is my adressbar.

      That's it. Dead space? Where? :)

      (Hint: Right click in any toolbar, "customize toolbars", delete & drag'n'drop as you please)

    17. Re:About time by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1
      Hey, I'm not complaining. Its just the layout I'm used to and like.

      I have the main panel on the right, which even on my tiny 1024 laptop screen, takes up a third of the row. The other two thirds are dead space - BUT that's how I like it. I have my personal bar with a few web links and a few searches below that, then tabs with an address bar for each tab.

      Considering I work on workstations with 1600x1200 res, a couple of hundred square pixels of dead space (or ads) makes no difference - except on my laptop I never even fullscreen the app.

      I'm a 100% Opera user and have even made quite a few converts in my time. Firefox always seems slow and bloated - I guess you have to have come from IE to be impressed.

    18. Re:About time by Taladar · · Score: 1
      When you get rid of the ads you end up with dead space where they were
      That depends on the skin you use.
    19. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are so many reasons that Opera is worth paying for--the fact that it's so higly custom and so very fast and powerful certainly doesn't hurt..but nevermind that--lets just consider one thing..this is a business model and by business I mean something that they have to use to make a profit--Opera as a company functions mainly to make this wonderful product for their fans, and they need support--they don't have large financial backing or community support the way some people do...so quite simply--according to their model--they have to charge.

      If you've some moral opposition to this, go ahead, get your firefox on..but Opera rocks.

      HAPPY BIRTHDAY BABY!

    20. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Didn't matter about non-commercial use. When Microsoft started offering IE for free, most people's internet experience was still limited to whatever they'd get at work (John Doe still didn't have a PC at home or an internet connection). For corporations, IE was free and Netscape wasn't. So they dumped Netscape in favor of IE and since the corps defined the marketshare, they turned it into 99% IE. By the time John Doe got around to buying a PC, IE was the most familiar and Netscape was just about gone.

    21. Re:About time by evilneko · · Score: 1

      Mozilla was, and still is free and better than Firefox. :P

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    22. Re:About time by slavemowgli · · Score: 1

      It would be nicer if they actually *were* text ads, though. I sometimes use Opera as an alternative to Mozilla, and so far, all the ads I've seen have been graphical.

      Of course, that's a thing of the past now that I got a free registration code from them. :)

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    23. Re:About time by Krimszon · · Score: 1

      I can't believe that on the day they give it away for free, you are whining about how it sucks to have to pay for Opera. It's never good huh?

    24. Re:About time by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "It would be nicer if they actually *were* text ads, though. I sometimes use Opera as an alternative to Mozilla, and so far, all the ads I've seen have been graphical."

      Opera has used Google's text ads since version 7. I would recommend you double check your settings for that. I think you can set it to graphical ads, but the default is text.

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    25. Re:About time by dreemernj · · Score: 1

      And you can also turn off the main browser buttons, add any buttons you want to the smaller set that appear in the tab, and the ad will change to a a wide, short ad that seems less obtrusive and only really has room for 1 or 2 lines of text.

      I just got my registration code and it really didn't even make that big of a difference. The advertisement was only about 20 pixels tall to start with. And besides, I set LiteStep to never cover the task bar so that lets you hit F11 in opera to switch to full screen without covering it, and if its full screen you can open a new tab and the small set of controls and address bar appear to use, and there is no Ad. So most of my opera experience has been Ad free anyway.

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    26. Re:About time by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

      WorldWideWeb, the very first web browser ever, was free. So there. :)

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    27. Re:About time by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      Software costs money to make. You still pay for Firefox, even if rather indirectly. E.g. Google puts money into Firefox, Google get their money from advertisers, the advertisers get their money from people like you and me who buy their products. AOL, IBM, Novell etc. all contribute to the Mozilla Foundation, so the cost of Firefox development is very directly built into the cost of those companies' products - the sponsorship is just an operating cost and incorporated into the slightly higher margins. Now you say "that doesn't affect me, I don't use IBM's/Novell's products". But many of the companies you buy products from do - e.g. you buy a can of Pepsi, Pepsi uses (say) IBM supported servers - thus a part of Pepsi's operating costs is the portion they pay indirectly towards Firefox development, and they simply cover that cost by making the average can of Pepsi 0.02 cents more expensive. (Of course, multiply this effect through every company that uses any of the products of the sponsors of the Mozilla Foundation.) Nothing is free.

    28. Re:About time by Kelson · · Score: 1

      There's a dialog box that lets you choose either in the installer or the first time you run Opera, but I think if you upgrade from a version that only had graphical ads, it sticks with that setting until you go into the preferences.

    29. Re:About time by Da+Schmiz · · Score: 1

      I agree (sort of) -- most of the people who are die-hard Opera fans switched years ago. Don't get me wrong, Opera is a good browser now, but its "edge" is far smaller now than it was in the days of IE 5 and Mozilla 0.9. Actually, my browser migration path goes: - Netscape 3 Gold - Netscape 4 - IE 5 (switch to Linux as my primary desktop system) - Mozilla 0.6 - Opera 5 - Galeon - Mozilla 1.0 (switch back to Windows for most everyday tasks) - Firefox 1.0 Actually, looking back on that, that's a pretty crazy path.... Anyhow, the point I was trying to make (in a very roundabout way) is that each time I've switched browsers, there's been a "killer app" feature that made me do it. For the Opera to Galeon switch, the "killer app" features were the GNOME integration and the better standards-compliance of the Gecko engine at the time. Now, the #1 thing that keeps me with Firefox as my primary browser is the Web Developer Toolbar. I can't imagine how anyone who works with web technologies could live without it. However, as someone who works with web tech all day long, having a multiplicity of browsers available is definitely a Good Thing...

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  9. Re:Weeeeeeee! by noisymime · · Score: 1

    I think its more a matter of not really caring because they're about to releace version 9. Opera are doing just fine in the embedded markets so they're not desperate for cash.

    I do think its a great idea to get people hooked before the new release though.

  10. That's great by BlackCobra43 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Except, you know, about the part where Opera contains absolutely no spyware you uniformed troll

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    1. Re:That's great by Rinzai · · Score: 3, Funny
      Why would a troll wear a uniform?

      I guess maybe he was uninformed with regards to the troll dress code.

    2. Re:That's great by thc69 · · Score: 1
      no spyware you uniformed troll
      What kind of uniform? Maybe something like this: http://www.sden.org/jdr/shadowrun/jeu/imajeu/troll .jpg ?
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    3. Re:That's great by bhtooefr · · Score: 1, Informative

      He could be talking about the Opera 5 days, when Opera had partnered with Cydoor for the ads.

      There was a MAJOR uproar back then, b/c Cydoor was (even then) a known spyware company.

      However, Opera 6 stopped using Cydoor, and now Opera 7.2+ prefer Google for ads.

    4. Re:That's great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same Google which sets a persistent cookie on every user's machine to gather data about your web surfing habits, attaches contextual ads to its interface for personal e-mail, sues people for providing helpful services like RSS feeds to its news services, and cripples its already feature-poor Jabber server?

      Yeah, that's much better.

    5. Re:That's great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My server logs suggest otherwise: Opera sends every URL visited to google for the context ads to work.

    6. Re:That's great by BlackCobra43 · · Score: 1

      I think you're uninformed with regards to my spellchecking policy. I advise you to read my signature.

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    7. Re:That's great by hkmwbz · · Score: 1
      Yeah, because you specifically set Opera to do so when installing it. It gives you the option between targeted ads and generic ads when you run it for the first time. It doesn't even default to either, but forces you to choose one of them.

      When the user knows exactly what is going on it's not "spying".

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    8. Re:That's great by howlingmoki · · Score: 1
      Mang, you seem to have an axe to grind about *everything*, don't you?

      Relax, get out of the basement and find yourself a life. Quit taking this stuff so seriously; it's only the Internet.

  11. Re:Oh gee. Free registration codes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Do those codes upgrade my copy of Firefox?"

    Yes. Yes, they do!

  12. Re:Opera isn't free by thc69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll feed the troll...

    Most of the features in question existed in Opera long before somebody made an extension for FF. In fact, there's quite a few FF extensions whose name or description refers to Opera.

    My FF has 93 extensions, at least half of which are features that are standard in Opera. I won't bother to discuss startup and page load speeds.

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  13. More pictures from Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The pictures and video of the company are really great. Norway doesn't look like Silicon Valley at all! For more pictures of the Opera offices and employees, here's a blog post about a visit to the company earlier this summer. http://www.cjas.org/~leng/lainspotting/2005/08/my- visit-to-opera.html

  14. Swim the World! by BigBadBus · · Score: 1
    Did the CEO of Opera ever finish his "Swim the Atlantic" promise?

    1. Re:Swim the World! by Bluey · · Score: 5, Informative

      He gave it his best, getting an admirable 30 feet from the dock, but it turned into an all-to-familiar case of blame the PR department when he failed.

    2. Re:Swim the World! by noisymime · · Score: 1

      Well kinda

    3. Re:Swim the World! by tedpearson · · Score: 1

      Apparently, the raft accompanying him was punctured and he had to return home the next day. So he didn't complete the swim, but he's a hero! http://www.opera.com/swim/

  15. Re:Weeeeeeee! by LnxAddct · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would be pissed as hell if I had paid for Opera yesterday or even within the last few months.
    Regards,
    Steve

  16. Hehe by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think I'm going to join their IRC party with Chatzilla. :-)

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  17. As usual... by MSFanBoi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you use Opera, FireFox or Mozilla you can do no wrong.
    Use IE, and you are a troll.
    Go figure.

    1. Re:As usual... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Use IE, and you are a troll."

      No, no, no. You IE and you're an idiot! Even Windows bias sites tend to agree.

    2. Re:As usual... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Typical clueless response (Troll me if you want - I know this is anti MS /.). IE works fine if you know how to protect yourself. As said so many damn times. You aren't 100% secure in FireFox, Mozilla, or whatever you use either. And never will be. Just because you do not know how to use IE right, doesn't mean that those who do, are trolls. You are a troll for being so damn bias.

    3. Re:As usual... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Silly you! :)

      >"IE works fine for me. No viruses, no pop-ups,
      >and it works great for everything I need it to
      >do."

      Face it, to most people your prevous post sounded like a troll being sarcastic.

    4. Re:As usual... by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      Uh, and the "slashbots" are so biased that "as usual" they just modded you +5 insightful. Right. Now will you stop trolling with us your "everyone here is teh biased!!11!" BS?

    5. Re:As usual... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Use IE, and you are a troll."

      No, if your post replaced the word IE with any other browser that wasn't Opera, you'd still be a troll because you're trying to start a browser war flame fest with an non-insightful off-topic comment.

    6. Re:As usual... by smileplzz · · Score: 1

      Firefox Rocks. so need to use opera.Ie is for people who like viruses to get into there computer.

  18. the day MS gives software away for free by BlackCobra43 · · Score: 1, Funny

    is the day that, simultaneously, chickens will grow teeth, pigs learn to fly for extended periods of time and grannies compete in extreme skateboarding competitions while mainlining heroin.

    It's not happenin'

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    1. Re:the day MS gives software away for free by Stanistani · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I received free copies (with keys) of Windows 98, Windows 2000 at various MS promotional events.

    2. Re:the day MS gives software away for free by leonmergen · · Score: 1, Informative

      is the day that, simultaneously, chickens will grow teeth, pigs learn to fly for extended periods of time and grannies compete in extreme skateboarding competitions while mainlining heroin.

      Microsoft gives away free Windows licenses at our University here. They say they support education, but /me thinks it's to make sure every student knows how to work with Windows software, and all Software Engineering students know how to write Windows software...

      So, in the end, Microsoft does give away free licenses, but makes money off it anyways...

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    3. Re:the day MS gives software away for free by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      Chickens do have teeth. Does that mean I have to watch out for pig shit falling on me outside, in addition to that of pidgeons? And, with the rate at which kids in the inner cities are having kids of their own, that skateboarding thing might happen, too!

    4. Re:the day MS gives software away for free by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 0

      Chickens and mainlining heroin! W0oT!

    5. Re:the day MS gives software away for free by thetejon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, in the end, Microsoft does give away free licenses, but makes money off it anyways...

      Isn't that the whole point of free giveaways? To generate more sales?

      As much as people (myself included) may hate Microsoft, some of the things they do are just good business.

    6. Re:the day MS gives software away for free by masklinn · · Score: 1

      Having your school subscribe to MSDNAA program gives you free access to just about any MS software. Probably not free for the school (aka you indirectly pay for it), but it's probably much cheaper than every student buying Visual Studio 2003 + MSDN .Net, SQL Server Dev edition, Windows 2k (any version), XP (ditto) or 2k3 (still the same), Visio, ...

      It's a promotional scheme alright, but i must say i'm quite ok with that kind of schemes when they benefit me more than not.

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    7. Re:the day MS gives software away for free by monkeydo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How is that different than Opera giving away free keys so that more people will use their browser?

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    8. Re:the day MS gives software away for free by Dogmeat83 · · Score: 1

      You forgot Duke Nukem Forever getting released!

    9. Re:the day MS gives software away for free by MCraigW · · Score: 1
      is the day that, simultaneously, chickens will grow teeth

      You can download Internet Explorer for free any time!!

    10. Re:the day MS gives software away for free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This site seems to disagree with you.

      http://www.nps.gov/nace/oxhi/poultryi.htm

    11. Re:the day MS gives software away for free by jcnnghm · · Score: 1

      Microsoft sent me a copy of XP Pro for free a few years ago, I don't remember why anymore, but I do know they do it regularly.

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    12. Re:the day MS gives software away for free by PhilHibbs · · Score: 0

      The difference is that Opera are not attempting to maintain an established monopoly.

    13. Re:the day MS gives software away for free by jc42 · · Score: 1

      Microsoft gives away free Windows licenses at our University here. ... /me thinks it's to make sure every student knows how to work with Windows software, and all Software Engineering students know how to write Windows software...

      Well, that latter point doesn't always work too well.

      Over the years, I've learned to write software that ran on various releases of first DOS, then Windows. In no two cases was what I learned very similar to any of the others, and the software very rarely survived a transition to a major new release. How you compiled programs was always radically different from before.

      OTOH, when I look at the examples in my 1970's-era edition of the C bible, then all still run fine on current versions of unix (or linux). The same cc command suffices to compile them. The same Makefiles can be used. Granted, all of these things have had major extensions. But my code from back then still works.

      And, unlike the experience of most MS users, I can still read all my files from 30 years ago. So can my software.

      I guess, from a Windows user's viewpoint, this just shows that unix systems are old-fashioned and obsolete. Ya think? Or could they have had some good ideas back in the 70's that are still good ideas despite all the other things that have come along?

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    14. Re:the day MS gives software away for free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can download Internet Explorer for free any time!!

      Yes and I especially like IE's free Windows security exploit plug-ins. And so clever - you don't have to go get them - they come and get you!

    15. Re:the day MS gives software away for free by shokk · · Score: 1

      I've received free full versions of Office XP (2 copies actually) and Office 2003 for answering surveys and as thanks for supporting MSFT.

      BTW, give scientists time - chickens will grow teeth.

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    16. Re:the day MS gives software away for free by Matilda+the+Hun · · Score: 1

      Only if you're using Windows. Which means that you're already using IE. Which means you're not "getting it for free", because you had to pay for it when you bought Windows in the first place.

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    17. Re:the day MS gives software away for free by wtmcgee · · Score: 1

      I have recieved a free copy of VS.net (student) Office XP, Windows XP and Windows 2000 at various conferences and trade shows ... all except the one that I received Visual Studio were general admission.

      Oops!

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    18. Re:the day MS gives software away for free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, they are old-fashioned and obsolete.

    19. Re:the day MS gives software away for free by satanami69 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe they don't like you.

      --
      I really hate Dan Patrick.
    20. Re:the day MS gives software away for free by NanoGator · · Score: 0, Troll

      "The difference is that Opera are not attempting to maintain an established monopoly."

      The difference is that bitching about Microsoft gives you a +5 Insightful tag next to your posts.

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  19. slashdotting by brettlbecker · · Score: 1

    Rather, free registration codes as long as their server lasts. :)

    B

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    "We must still have chaos within in order to be able to give birth to a dancing star." --Friedrich Nietzsche
  20. Have you looked at Opera?? by the_rajah · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Really, the ads are very small and don't bother me. I did use the free registration to see what it looks like without the ads. I still don't think the ads are a big deal.

    This browser has come a long way since I first tried version 2.0 on Win95. That was clunky and I uninstalled it after a couple of days and went back to Netscape. I tried it again around 5.X and liked it a lot better. I stuck with it and now use it as my main browser on multiple platforms, but I also use Firefox, Konoqueror and Mozilla as well depending on what I'm doing.

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    1. Re:Have you looked at Opera?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FireFox still has something Opera lacks. A huge community of people making extensions to make your browser behave the way YOU want it to behave.

    2. Re:Have you looked at Opera?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yes, my Opera DOES behave the way I want it to behave, and I don't have to hunt down a half dozen out of hundreds of extensions to make it that way.

    3. Re:Have you looked at Opera?? by sp00nz · · Score: 1

      Opera already behaves the way I want it to behave.

    4. Re:Have you looked at Opera?? by nicomen · · Score: 1

      Try http://userjs.org/ , it has lots of nice "extensions" for Opera.

      Some people would argue that Opera already has all the features needed. Personally I don't agree though :)

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      Prepare for MSIE 7
    5. Re:Have you looked at Opera?? by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Really, the ads are very small and don't bother me. I did use the free registration to see what it looks like without the ads. I still don't think the ads are a big deal.

      I agree - I tried this free registration, and then thought "Oh, I now have a blank space where before there was an ad". I suppose I could fill the space with extra toolbar icons, but there's nothing I really need.

  21. Quick by squoozer · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm running out of ideas for fake names to sign up with.

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    1. Re:Quick by metaphorever · · Score: 1

      This thread from yesterday about sending names to Pluto has some gems. Or if you want more options that are less funny and more believable try the Fantasy name generator

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    2. Re:Quick by FlipmodePlaya · · Score: 1

      Check out their Flash demo (created to demonstrate this mind-numbingly simple task to users with low comprehension but lightning-quick visual recognition, it seems). Who new that Swedes liked American Sci-Fi?

    3. Re:Quick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Who new that Swedes liked American Sci-Fi?

      Swedes? Opera is in Norway you insensitive clod!

  22. Slashdotted Already by stevemm81 · · Score: 1

    Since the site's already slashdotted, here's the registration code: ...

    Oh wait. Dammit... :-)

  23. Re:Weeeeeeee! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    i think that this is a desperate ploy by opera to get back market share
    Opera ain't finished until the fat lady sings.
  24. Performance among other things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Opera is fast
    Try zooming pages, it's many times faster than Firefox(/Gecko). And just showing the menus seem much more smooth(thanks to Qt I guess).
    And it's more focused on tab browsing, every window is opened as a tab. I like that more than Firefox's behavoir.

    But then again, Opera doesn't have extensions .. :/

  25. Sorry not even if it's free.. by formal_entity · · Score: 0

    So surfed to the registration button. Looked at it for a while and then I realized... I don't even want to try it, even if it's free, I really like Mozilla.

    1. Re:Sorry not even if it's free.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Afraid of new things, eh? Not to worry, not to worry, that'll go away once you grow up, junior.

    2. Re:Sorry not even if it's free.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's so so so so so much faster than Mozilla or Firefox. At least, on FreeBSD.

    3. Re:Sorry not even if it's free.. by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      I understand this, it's why I don't use Firefox. Just not worth the hassle to switch, as it has nothing to tempt me from Opera. I think in a lot of ways, the two browsers are evenly matched, and hence long time users of either will be very unlikely to even want to waste their time trying out the other, as all they are sure of is they will waste time.

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    4. Re:Sorry not even if it's free.. by honor,+not+armor · · Score: 1

      I don't intend to use it for my chief browser, but since there's still such a cult following for it, I figure there must be some things they're doing right. So I'll just try it out, and maybe extend some features into Firefox to end the flame war once and for all.

      Plus, I want to test my web pages and make sure they look right in it, even though I doubt I'll ever get an Opera user visiting my site. Calm down, just basing it on statistics - if I only get about 70 visitors a month, and 2% of all people use Opera...

    5. Re:Sorry not even if it's free.. by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      I was starting to think I was the only person still running the full Mozilla suite instead of Firefox
      (Proud 1.8.1b tester still wondering where the hell do my bug reports go?). Then I checked the site yesterday, and saw a Mozllla 1.7.11 release was out, dated 1st of August. For all the mammalian Firefox fans, there's still some life in the parent reptile.

      OTO, I'll gladly try Opera. Heck, I still keep a working install of the off-by-one browser,
      http://www.offbyone.com/
      as it beats going back to IE in an emergency. Opera pioneered several browser features, and will probably remain an innovator for at least a few more development cycles.

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    6. Re:Sorry not even if it's free.. by formal_entity · · Score: 1

      At times I've had that same feeling.. "hmm, I wonder if someone actually reads, let alone fixes these bugs". But just within the last three weeks I've had two bugs reported by me patched. btw, i'm using suite because the "modern" theme looks so much better in suite compared to firefox.

    7. Re:Sorry not even if it's free.. by Karhgath · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      With those stats, you'd still get 1.4 opera user per month. That's not a never =)

    8. Re:Sorry not even if it's free.. by xander2032 · · Score: 1

      Nope! You're the only one. I still use the Mozilla Suite. I hate Firefox. lol

      But yeah... They've offcially abandoned the suite, no more new builds. However, the suit is still being developed by the Seamonkey group. Check it out!

      http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/

      Same browser, just a different name.

      And I use Opera here as well. It's a great little browser! Quite useful! I really like the password wand thingie. It can remember multiple user names for the same site.

      I've been a licensed user for years now, but thanks to this free key offer, now I can run Opera on a couple of my other computers legally and I picked up a couple for the family too. ;)

    9. Re:Sorry not even if it's free.. by dreemernj · · Score: 1

      Weird. A higher percentage of visits to my site are Opera then Firefox. Firefox is 6.2% and Opera is 6.7% so its only a tiny difference. And I don't know if that detects if a browser is Opera even when its set to identify as IE...

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    10. Re:Sorry not even if it's free.. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Nope, me too... I looked at Firefox, decided it was lacking way too many little things that I actually use, and went back to the Mozilla suite as my alt-browser. And I think our bug reports have been eaten by a grue. :(

      I have Off-By-One here too; despite lots of odd bugs and deficiencies, it's occasionally useful, and you can stuff it onto and even run it from a floppy.

      I'd never liked the Opera interface, but given the incentive of a free reg'd version, I'll give it another look. What the hell, it never hurts to have another browser available.

      (Normally I use an ancient Netscape, by *preference*. The performance difference is amazing, and I just can't get used to how slow ALL the modern browsers are, compared to my beloved NS3.)

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    11. Re:Sorry not even if it's free.. by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

      There are none so blind, as those who will not see.

      Congratulations on having a closed mind. Ever considered that, if you were open-minded enough to try it, that you might like Opera more than you like Mozilla?

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      "Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
    12. Re:Sorry not even if it's free.. by formal_entity · · Score: 1

      I know quite a lot even before trying it. Just as I said, it's not free. That means paying for next upgrades/versions. This in turn rising from my chair and getting my VISA from my wallet. With that kind of work required... no thanks. Mozilla already knows my mind with outstanding stability and a slick interface. My other point (besides Mozilla being easier to maintain in the long-run) is that the choice is not just about quality, it's about freedom too. Of course quality is is major issue, maybe the most important; but Mozilla is good enough for me to consider the licenses too (instead of just quality).

    13. Re:Sorry not even if it's free.. by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

      Your own personal user experience with Opera could be an order of magnitude better with your own personal user experience with Mozilla, yet you choose to dismiss it out of hand. Something you haven't tried might be better for you but it can't be better because you've convinced yourself that "Mozilla is good enough for me".

      George Orwell had a name for that kind of cognitive dissonance: he called it doublethink.

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      "Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
    14. Re:Sorry not even if it's free.. by formal_entity · · Score: 1

      I already know it's gonna be an order of magnitude worse because of the fees and hazzle associated with obtaining new versions. Besides, I know roughly what the unique features of Opera are...

    15. Re:Sorry not even if it's free.. by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

      Frankly, you're talking rubbish.

      "Fees and hazzle [sic] associated with obtaining new versions"? A once-off registration cost somewhere down the line that's less than you would pay for an average night out for two is what's stopping you from trying Opera today? You do know that there is a free version that's supported by unobtrustive Google text ads, right?

      "I know roughly what the unique features of Opera are..." Yeah, right. Sure, buddy. There are some things that just have to be tried to be appreciated. Yes, you can look at checklists but they only tell half the story. On paper, Opera arguably beats Mozilla/Firefox hands down. But it's when you actually try Opera and see how much better implimented the features are that you really appreciate how well it works. This is true for not just Opera's unique features but also the ones that have been copied by its rival browsers.

      Again, I'll reiterate my point: you reject something out of hand not because it's inferior but because you cannot accept the possibility that you might actually prefer it. That to me makes you close-minded, unwilling to try something for no rational reason. Your loss.

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      "Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
    16. Re:Sorry not even if it's free.. by pmsyyz · · Score: 1
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  26. Re:Opera isn't free by lbmouse · · Score: 1, Troll

    My FF has 93 extensions, at least half of which are features that are standard in Opera.
     
    Exactly why I don't use Opera... too bloated, but to each their own.

  27. how are they surviving by Douglas+Simmons · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Taking the existing extensions and add-ons of both browsers into account (probably a similar list), why are there diehard fans of the opera browser? Unlike IE users, those running either Firefox or Opera, Opera users especially, are aware of the existance of Firefox, so what is keeping the relatively small portion of Opera users from switching to Firefox, and what's still drawing in new users into the Opera club? You'd think Opera's not being freeware (this article notwithstanding) would keep it out of my server logs entirely, but that's not the case.

    To rephrase, why ought I migrate to Opera?

    1. Re:how are they surviving by Nick+of+NSTime · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try it out. Opera has a different user experience that some people prefer. It also uses less memory. Like I said, try it for yourself and make your own decisions.

    2. Re:how are they surviving by gasaraki · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because I find Opera much more stable and reliable, much faster and just a lot easier to work with. To give a random example of something I consider really essential that Firefox does not have, where is the unified keybinding interface? Some (very few) keys you can change, sure, but at least 50% of them are hardcoded into the core files and basically impossible to edit meaningfully. To me this is just ridiculous.

    3. Re:how are they surviving by joelsanda · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To rephrase, why ought I migrate to Opera?

      Well, perhaps I can't answer for you but I can tell for me, my switch to Opera happened before Firefox was stable enough for everyday use.

      Consider this: the web browser is a tool - nothing more nothing less. Like most tools one gets what they pay for. $40 for a great tool (fast, stable, compatible, and extremely configurable) is cheap.

      Opera is to Internet Explorer what the BMW is to the Chrysler K car (for those old enough to remember those!).

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      The Luddites were ahead of their time.
    4. Re:how are they surviving by smellystudent · · Score: 3, Informative

      In my case, I was using it before Firefox was available and I happen to like it. I have Firefox installed, but see no reason to go searching for all the plugins and options necessary to replicate the Opera experience.

      The killer features which got me hooked way back when were the MDI and gestures. Yes, I know you can do that on FF as well...

      As to what attracts new users to Opera over Firefox: I don't know. Personal choice maybe? Being recommended by a friend? Trying both out and (shock! horror!) actually preferring Opera?

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    5. Re:how are they surviving by taskforce · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your post makes out as if Mozilla is the Be All End All of browsers and that it's the final evolution of said program. Many people prefer Opera; it's an excellent browser in my opinion and feature for feature is more useful and reliable than Mozilla. (And I use both extensively.) Obviously I can see why paying $40 (The same cost as a night of pizza and coke with friends?) might put some people off, but I still would highly reccomend people try at least the ad-free version, or just snap up a registration code for free today. (Nobody is forcing you to use it.)

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    6. Re:how are they surviving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best would be to download Opera (and today is a good day to do it you know) and install it, use it for a while - long enough to familiarize yourself with it, and to set it up like you like it - and then see what (if anything) you miss, and what you can't live without if you drop Opera.

    7. Re:how are they surviving by magetoo · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Opera users especially, are aware of the existance of Firefox, so what is keeping the relatively small portion of Opera users from switching to Firefox, and what's still drawing in new users into the Opera club?
      Well, I think it might actually be the fact that Opera is good at what it does. (Gasp!)

      (Why should Opera users particularly want to switch to Firefox anyway? Is there an offer of 72 virgin brides in Heaven after you die or something that makes it worthwhile?)

      Seriously, I'd say it's because Opera just gets the job done. You can pimp your FF installation all you want and it will have a ton of features not present in Opera, but for 90% of what you do, all you'll ever need is already present in the base install (of Opera). And it's not a particularly large download either. Plus it really is fast.

      Whether you should migrate ... well, you should at least try it for a week, then you'll know enough to decide which was the best for you. You can always switch back.

    8. Re:how are they surviving by EvilMonkeySlayer · · Score: 1

      For me, the reason why I don't use Opera is simply extensions.
      From what I can see Firefox has a lot more extensions and they're easier to use.
      For example, in Firefox the adblock extension.. I can rightclick on an item I want blocked or simply click the Adblock button and set a wildcard.
      In Opera Adblock is a bit of a fudge in that you have to fart about pointing Opera to a CSS file that is updated by a program etc.

      It's a case of the extensions that are keeping me on Firefox, they're simply superb.
      If Opera had a proper plugin/addon feature like extensions (plus an extensions site) then i'd more than likely be using Opera, it is faster and does have a lighter memory load.

    9. Re:how are they surviving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sessions -complete with saved history states (close opera down, open it back up, hit back a few times on a saved page)

      Flash and image zooming -rather than just text

      Speed -yes, it is faster

      Layout customizability -try putting your tabs on the bottom in windows, it makes a whole lot of sense

      Fit to Width

      Author Mode

      Address bar shortcuts ("g stuff" googles for "stuff")

      That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
      The day has finally arrived where I can say: "Why would I use Firefox when I can get Opera for free?"

    10. Re:how are they surviving by brokenarmsgordon · · Score: 1
      $40 for a great tool (fast, stable, compatible, and extremely configurable) is cheap.

      Don't forget secure. It's not only the fastest, but the most secure.

    11. Re:how are they surviving by slapout · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are quiet a few reasons I use Opera. Without needing extensions, I get all the following:


      • Tabbed browsing that works better than Firefox's. And I can put the tabs on the bottom where I like them.
      • Settings for each window can be controled individually. I can have one site open with graphics turned off and another site open with graphics on, at the same time.
      • Mouse Gestures.
      • Control-D. This does a "Paste and Go". Instead of taking two steps, pasting in a url and going to it only takes one.
      • Built in search bar that supports Google, Amazon, Ebay and others.
      • If it crashes, I have the option of opening the same sites I was at the next time I run it.
      • Can view a page in "user view". Good if a page is hard to read because of poorly choosen background colors.
      • And more! -- See 30 Days to Becoming an Opera7 Lover

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    12. Re:how are they surviving by BrianPan · · Score: 2

      It's fast and has all the features I want. The question is "Taking the existing extensions and add-ons" into account. But finding and installing FF extensions to get to the feature set I want takes some amount of time (both initial install and keeping it up to date). And when I tried out the Deer Park beta half of my extensions broke. The Opera ads take up a small amount of real estate but, since I'm already running Privoxy, at least I don't see any of them.

    13. Re:how are they surviving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A long with the other reasons people have posted.

      * Super fast going backwards and forwards in cached pages.

      * Session support.

      * It doesn't suck.

    14. Re:how are they surviving by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      If I remember correctly, about a third of Opera's revenue comes from licensing their mobile version of Opera to PDA and mobile phone makers.

      As much as you hear the claim that Firefox is an innovative browser, it isn't really all that innovative. Opera does actually include new stuff from time to time - e.g. it was the first mainstream browser with native support for SVG, for Aural CSS, etc.

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    15. Re:how are they surviving by cocotoni · · Score: 5, Funny

      Opera is simply the best porn browser ever.

      It blocks pop-ups.
      It doesn't get infected with ActiveX crap.
      It notifies you of phishing attempts.
      It can zoom the images.

      Best of all: one handed browsing - you have a page with a lot of image links, you click the first and then just press space to go to the next link. Also works with pages where the next link is marked with Next or with >. Quite handy when you have only one hand to spare.

    16. Re:how are they surviving by Pete · · Score: 4, Informative
      I find the mouse gestures on Opera are just so much better than those available (with an extension) on Firefox or Mozilla. It's like the difference between day and night.

      When I tried using mouse gestures on Firefox, they worked... just. But the "feel" wasn't responsive enough for it to be worth using. On Opera (at least on Windows - I haven't used Opera much on Linux) it was incredibly responsive and the overall mouse gesture experience was really really nice.

    17. Re:how are they surviving by jp10558 · · Score: 1, Redundant

      This leads me to an interesting cliche /. analogy.

      To me, FF is a lot like the Honda Civic street cars (ricers??) that are pimped up for racing like in NFSU2.

      Opera is like a Porche 911 Turbo stock off the lot - not pimped out with lights or whatever, but will smoke the Civic every time.

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      Opera, Proxomitron-Grypen,GPG 0x0A1C6EE3
    18. Re:how are they surviving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a big Firefox fan, but recently I've just been sick of constantly having to install extensions in order for the browser to be usable. Mouse Gestures, Session Saver, Greasemonkey, Image Zoom... the list goes on.

      To say it plainly, Firefox is reminding me of the Windows install. After I'm finished with the base install, I'm still not done and I have to spend quite some time installing extensions and then setting options correctly... Opera, apparently, is just one smooth experience.

      At least, that's the reason why I'm considering switching.

    19. Re:how are they surviving by evil-osm · · Score: 1

      why are there diehard fans of the opera browser?

      I'll tell you why.

      1. Its Fast, load time, render time everything is very very very quick and responsive.

      2. Small and elegant, the download is only 3.5MB which includes e-mail/newsgroup support. I admit that Firefox has been reduced now (DL is 4.7MB) however to get the same functionality you need to get a few more plug-ins. Not to mention an entire separate e-mail client. I'm not sure what IE's download size is now, but I recall installing it a long while ago and it was pushing 70MB IIRC, and I remember asking myself, wtf is in this that it needs to be this big?

      3. Intuitive, From the smallest of things they (Opera software) has paid close attention to little headaches that people just live with and remove them. Create a new window in your browser, bet you have to move your mouse and click on the URL text box to start typing... not me (this feature btw, originally sold me on Opera) ctrl-n and just start typing.

      4. Innovative, most of the features you see in Firefox and upcomming in IE were pioneered in Opera (tabbed browsing, pop-up blocking, etc..)

      5. They don't belive in software patents. All those features your enjoying in #4 may not be there if 5 didn't exist.

      Opera is just a good company, personally I put them in the same place in my heart as Google. Both build great products (multiple in the case of Google), give away as much as they can afford to (obviously with Business/Marketing in mind) and keep coming up with great ideas.

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    20. Re:how are they surviving by Stephen+Williams · · Score: 1

      The mouse gesture extension I use with Firefox provides visual feedback in the status bar while I perform gestures. Unless I've missed it (which is possible), I can't find an option for that in Opera, which is a shame because I like the feature.

      It was Opera that introduced me to mouse gestures. I was sold on them immediately after trying them out. I installed the Firefox gesture extension the same day.

      -Stephen

    21. Re:how are they surviving by Gubbe · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'll add a couple:

      - Undo: Press ctrl-z if you accidentally close a tab you didn't want to close and it pops right back up.
      - Unconditional back/fwd. Opera never refreshes a page you go back to with the 'back' function. Have the connection time out when submitting some big form? Just click back and you have the form there just like you filled it out.
      - Can be used as one fullscreen window only. All links are opened as new tabs regardless of where they come from, making sure you never have to wonder what browser window it was that had that particular tab open. Also closing the last tab doesn't close Opera.
      - The F12 -menu that allows changing proxy/popup/browserID/pluginblock/soundblock/etc settings without a single dialog.
      - Infinitely configurable to make it feel just like you want it.

      - And more! -- See 30 Days to Becoming an Opera8 Lover (seems to be up to day 21 so far)

    22. Re:how are they surviving by xaque · · Score: 1

      "If it crashes, I have the option of opening the same sites I was at the next time I run it." Is this a frequent problem for you?

    23. Re:how are they surviving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For me, it boils down to speed and features. Opera is much faster for me than anything else (including Firefox with no extensions). On my high-end machine the speed difference is pretty negligible, but on a lower-end workstation Opera just blows right past Firefox. It takes Firefox literally 1-2 minutes to load up and allow me to interact on slower machines. And that's with no extensions. Opera opens quickly on the same machine, and has all of the last pages I visited already open for me to resume.

      Secondly, is features. Such as:

      - obviously, tabs (since Opera 4, 2000)
      - Email client (use it exclusively, great search and filtering)
      - IRC client
      - RSS client
      - Bittorrent client
      - mouse gestures
      - fully customizable menus
      - user-creatable buttons (such as the Indispensable Kill button: http://nontroppo.org/wiki/PowerButtons?show_commen ts=1)
      - very graceful crash recovery - if it happens, all your pages and states (email text, etc) are saved and reopened
      - can reopen closed tabs
      - F12 quick menu (control popups; toggle gif animation, sound, java, javascript, plugins, cookies, referrer logging, proxy; identify as opera, IE, moz)
      - good skins/themes

      and more..

      It boils down to Opera being a much better user experience for me than any other browser I've ever tried.

    24. Re:how are they surviving by Trollificus · · Score: 1
      As a long-time Opera user and a frequent user of Firefox, I can pretty much sum it up as ease of use and customizability. I found that I had to install over 15 or so plugins in Firefox to get it to do the things that come native in Opera. Aside from the obvious similarities in Opera and Firefox, like Tabs and mouse gestures, it's the little things that make browsing more productive, like right-click context menu options which contain translation/dictionary/search/validator options to "paste and go" options for search dialogues. All of the little touches that make things more convenient in an ideal browsing experience are right where you would expect them to be.
      Also, the UI can be customized very easily right down to the bare essentials without having to wade through and edit any scripts. Everything is drag and drop. And I've also never had the speed and reliability issues I have with Firefox.

      Don't get me wrong, Firefox is a great browser. The Adblock plugins are great, and I wish the devs would expend more effort in this area of Opera's development. But I think both browsers should be held in a class above and beyond Internet Explorer rather than being seen as competition to one another. As long as standards are adhered to, we're all on the same side. :)

      As for why some people would pay $40 for a browser, most new users I introduce the browser to sum it up as "It installs easily, and it just plain works". For people who are sick of IE and don't have the patience or technical know-how to fart around with Firefox, Opera is a great midway between customizability and ease of use. Most people just want to browse and go.

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    25. Re:how are they surviving by TeknoHog · · Score: 1
      "Paste and Go". Instead of taking two steps, pasting in a url and going to it only takes one.

      In Firefox, you achieve the same with a single mouse click: paste the url into the browser window, and it opens the site.

      If you paste some other text besides an url, it does a Google search and goes to the first hit.

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    26. Re:how are they surviving by Callitrax · · Score: 1

      "If it crashes, I have the option of opening the same sites I was at the next time I run it." Is this a frequent problem for you?

      Yes because works more generally than that - anytime Opera fails to close cleanly you can return to your previous session. This includes when Opera closes for reasons it had nothing to do with (Windows crash, power failure ...)

    27. Re:how are they surviving by jp10558 · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is the thing, and why it's good there's choice in the market. One main reason I won't use FireFox is because it has extensions. This promotes two big issues for me -

      1) Makes the devs lazy, someone else will write an extension for that "must have" feature. Well, then I as a user have to find it, install it, maintain it, and hope the extension dev doesn't get bored with keeping it working with the new versions, or I lose that feature.

      2) Allows toolbars like in IE - now my install of Acrobat can put Yahoo in my Alternative browser too! The joy!

      3) Mozilla and FireFox devs assume no responsibility for extensions, they can conflict and break my browser - more headaches!

      Ooops, that was 3.

      Anyway, it depends on what you want, and FF works for you. For me, I can use proxomitron and have adblocking for all browsers on my system. I don't lose features regularily with upgrades, nor do I have to manage my features. Less work, more working.

      So from my point of view, I'm amazed so many people put up with FF. Though it is better than IE, so it makes some sense.

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    28. Re:how are they surviving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I work at Microsoft. Even I got pissed at IE 6.

        I decided to try Opera:
      - superfast install
      - works immediately
      - Zoom, fit-to-page
      - Cookie management that makes sense (that is, off until I add the site to my whitelist)
      - I put the checkboxes on the toolbar for enabling JScript, plugins, cookies, animated GIFs. I only turn them on when I want to see something.

      Now I use IE only for trusted sites, and Opera for the great unwashed Internet (such as Slashdot).

      I'll try IE 7 to see if it's better, but IE 6 is nowhere near customizable enough for my taste.

      Why not Firefox? Never bothered to check it out, and I consider Opera more secure (which is why I use it).

    29. Re:how are they surviving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried Opera and and gave up. It was nice but no better than Firefox in browsing. However, Adblock is the killer app for Firefox. I shouldn't have to pay $40 for a browser that doesn't have adblock's functionality. And no, I'm not interested in running secondary software in my task bar.

    30. Re:how are they surviving by phreakhead · · Score: 1

      Oh really? How do you get the mobile version? I can't find it anywhere to download, and I don't think my iPAQ came with it.

    31. Re:how are they surviving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure what IE's download size is now, but I recall installing it a long while ago and it was pushing 70MB IIRC, and I remember asking myself, wtf is in this that it needs to be this big?

      That's due to the MTP. Formerly Malware Tunnelling Protocol.

      Sorry guys, coudn't resist ;)

    32. Re:how are they surviving by edxwelch · · Score: 1

      I actaully prefer Firefoxes tabs, but Opera definately has a lot features that only half work in Firefox:
      * A fully working download manager
      * webpage zooming (works much better than firefox version)
      * Remebers sessions (opens at last place from where your were browsing and loads from the *cache*)
      * better integration with OS. (for instance KDE autoloads Opera if it was previously open, but thios doesn't work with Firefox)
      * Much faster development - How long since Firefox 1.0 came out?

    33. Re:how are they surviving by 26199 · · Score: 1

      Easy: I prefer it. I have mozilla and opera installed, but those only get fired up in the (rare) event that Opera can't handle something.

      The user interface is slicker, IMHO; and more customisable. It's just little things, like what happens if you double click on an empty page... but it's a lot of little things like that :)

      Anyway, it's worth a try, then you can decide for yourself.

    34. Re:how are they surviving by yEvb0 · · Score: 1

      The multi-search bar is nice, and you can also create your own searches, which can run from the address bar. For example "g whatever" does a google search, and you can create your own, like "wiki something" to do a wikipedia search, or whatever you like.

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    35. Re:how are they surviving by Illissius · · Score: 1

      Well, since you asked... here's a list. (i'm not certain whether Firefox has, does not have, or has an extension for each of these features... but long story short, last two times I tried migrating, I couldn't.)

      - handles MDI better. the close buttons are right /on/ the tab, where they're logical, and not just one close button at the end of the bar. when the tab bar gets really full, only the active tab has a close button on it, so you can still switch to other tabs without having to aim for the 1px (or less) of space between where the close buttons would otherwise be. it's like they actually put some thought into the whole thing. (by contrast, in Firefox (or was it some other browser? iirc, it was firefox), when you have too many tabs, they just go off past the edge of the screen and that's that.) you can click on an active tab again to minimize it. drag-and-drop rearranging of tabs (FF 1.5a has this now).

      - reopening closed windows. if you close something and want it back (I disable the history because I'm paranoid), press Ctrl+Alt+Z (or select it from the menu under the little trash can icon on the right), and it reopens. at the same position you were at, too.

      - when you go back/forwards, it's /instant/. combined with mouse gestures, flick left, back, flick right, forward again. instantly.

      - it's just plain fast at everything else, too.

      - mouse gestures are awesome. instead of having to move my mouse over to the toolbar (I no longer /have/ a toolbar), click a button, and back, I just flick the mouse left and right a bit. also, you can switch windows by holding the right mouse button and scrolling the wheel, which is incredibly convenient.

      - the mail client is very nice -- it's like GMail, except not in a web interface -- uses the same concept of labels (though it calls them views), instead of hierarchial folders. small and simple, and I've heard it's powerful as well, though I haven't had to make use of it.

      - the sidebar. you can do many crazy power-user stuff very easily: there's panels for links (in the current page), you can select a whole lot (or all) of them, and then right click and, say, open them all in background tabs. there's a windows panel where you can rearrange Opera's tabs among toplevel windows, mass-reload, or whatever. and there's also a notes panel -- nothing fancy, just type in a note and it stays there, remembering what page you were at when you typed it. the thing I like about it is it's so /simple/ -- just open the panel and start typing, no mucking around. then there's also the highly convenient "copy to note" in the context menu whenever you select some text.

      - keeps everything, /everything/, in a single window, unless you explicitly tell it to open a new one. this was one of the most irritating aspects of firefox, there were even several extensions purporting to accomplish this, but none of them really did.

      - when it crashes (not often, and it only tends to happen when I have (not exaggerating) 100+ tabs open), you can start again where you left off. (you can also set it to do this even if it didn't crash, but I don't.)

      - bookmark 'nicknames' -- for example, I can (but don't, this is only an example) give slashdot the nickname 'sd', and then type sd in the address bar to open slashdot. you can do this for folders of bookmarks also -- I used to have one with the 10 or so tech sites I liked, so I just typed 'technews' and it opened them all.

      - user stylesheets. I discovered my eyes didn't appreciate staring into a fricking lightbulb all day, so I went and got a white-on-black colorscheme for KDE, and set Opera to use the high contrast (w/b) user stylesheet. so my webpages are now all white on black -- and for the most part, they don't look bad, either. (for the ones that do, I can just go the toolbar and select view -> style -> author mode ).

      - effective workflow. what I usually do is when I see an interesting link, I

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    36. Re:how are they surviving by rkcallaghan · · Score: 1

      Personally, I got to use Opera at my last job (I've since gone back to school) and not Firefox because my boss was a classic PHB, and wouldn't allow any of that "freeware junk" on the company systems. But since I could buy Opera, it was all good.

      Sometimes you have to play the game.

      ~Rebecca

    37. Re:how are they surviving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like Opera a lot, simply because its interface kicks ass. I still use Firefox though, because it's free as in freedom.

    38. Re:how are they surviving by ki4iib · · Score: 1

      Obviously I can see why paying $40 (The same cost as a night of pizza and coke with friends?) might put some people off...

      The fact that you would rather have a web browser than spend a night with pizza, coke, and friends, reminds me that we are, indeed, on Slashdot.

    39. Re:how are they surviving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.tcbmi.com/strokeit/

      The best mouse gesture package for windows, and it is completely free. It's stable and works with every application. You can bind gestures to specific applications, or all applications by using global keyboard bindings like alt+left and alt+right, ctrl+w, etc.

    40. Re:how are they surviving by alexander+m · · Score: 1

      >> To rephrase, why ought I migrate to Opera? in my case because i can't get around the fact that is is ludicrously more responsive. there is almost no department in which it isn't ridiculously quick... and i actually rather like firefox -- i've written four extensions for it, for example -- but my own 95% of the time browser is opera. also, now v8.0 added the UserJavaScript API, a number of greasemonkey-like plugin/extensions are available. have a look at what's available so far: http://userjs.org/

    41. Re:how are they surviving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the greatest thing is instant back/forward. I get crazy when I use IE/FF because it does not seam to respond to back/forward commands.

    42. Re:how are they surviving by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      If I remember correctly, about a third of Opera's revenue comes from licensing their mobile version of Opera to PDA and mobile phone makers.

      I never understood this: Symbian UIQ ships with the world's crappist browser, Sony Ericson officially recommend installing Opera... so my question is, why the hell don't they rip out the crumby default browser from the ROM and ship the devices with Opera pre-installed?

      e.g. it was the first mainstream browser with native support for SVG, for Aural CSS, etc.

      As a web developer I can tell you that Opera's rendering engine is far more buggy than FireFox, Safari, etc. - sad but true, the 2 browsers I can almost guarantee will have problems rendering a W3C complient site are IE and Opera and I then have to spend time working around their bugs. By contrast, FireFox and Safari do have bugs but they are usually very minor off-by-1 alignmnet errors, etc. What's worse, many of Opera's bugs seem to be exactly the opposite of IE's bugs, making it impossible to make a site work properly in both at the same time (without some nasty browser detection).

      I don't think Opera support XSLT yet (certainly didn't prior to version 8), which is a real shame coz XSLT is a really good idea and even IE5 had XSLT support. :(

    43. Re:how are they surviving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'd say custimizable keybinding are step 2. Before that, keybindings should just work reliably in the first place, which they don't. I really can't count the number of times I have to click in a tab after changing to it to make even such basic keys like page up and page down work. Sometimes (and that's by far the most annoying) even CTRL+Tab and CTRL+W don't work, so one absolutely has to reach for the mouse to be able to ever do anything with the keyboard in that window. (and, no focus is not in the url/search/find bar in those moments, enter, escape or tab don't help either)

    44. Re:how are they surviving by sean23007 · · Score: 1

      $40 for pizza and coke with friends? Either you're talking about some strange, extremely expensive kind of coke (possible), or you're from New York City. Elsewhere, if it's more than $15 for said night, it's too expensive.

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    45. Re:how are they surviving by taskforce · · Score: 1

      I'm from Ripoff Britain, where the price of a tank of "gas" can top $120 US... (£70) I have my Pizza Hut menu next to me... £24.99 for a full meal (about $46)

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    46. Re:how are they surviving by Christianfreak · · Score: 1

      You have some good points but some of these are in the default Firefox as well:

      # Control-D. This does a "Paste and Go". Instead of taking two steps, pasting in a url and going to it only takes one.

      Middle click or scroll wheel click does this in FF.

      # Built in search bar that supports Google, Amazon, Ebay and others.

      Firefox supports all of those by default (and more)

      # Can view a page in "user view". Good if a page is hard to read because of poorly choosen background colors.

      I'm not sure exactly what you mean but Firefox can by default use custom stylesheets which I would think, accomplishes the same thing.

      Some people like extensions, that doesn't make them bad. All of the things you mentioned are available with one.

    47. Re:how are they surviving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need for poorly written extensions to make it useable?
      When upgrading, there's no need to check a dozen pages to find out if your extensions are compatible with the new version.

    48. Re:how are they surviving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps that is because the Opera mouse gestures, like the grandparent said, are more intuitive and do not require such visual feedback.

    49. Re:how are they surviving by Triffid_Hunter · · Score: 1

      well, opera is faster and more resource efficient than firefox, better integrated, has more options out of the box, doesn't crash anywhere near as much, doesn't have chronic memory leaks, has a zoom function, has user mode viewing and a quick options menu, has a 'frame' menu (maximize frame, view frame source, etc), doesn't have a chronic problem with opening new windows even with 5 different extensions loaded to stop it, has more, better, and fully configurable shortcut keys and toolbars, has runtime user agent selection, "continue from last time", mouse gestures, can pass urls to handler programs, allows you to actually customise all the various mime type handlers including ones it thinks it should open itself, and doesn't need 50 or more extensions loaded to have only the same set of features as opera.

      after using opera, going back to firefox is almost as bad as going back to IE except you have tabs.

      I might try firefox again when it doesn't need 800mb of ram to keep 30 tabs open for a week or so, and can actually stay open for a week without segfaulting.

      oh yeah, opera also has an integrated mail client although i don't use it.

      the _only_ thing firefox has over opera, even with all the available extensions, is adblock.

    50. Re:how are they surviving by rothbart · · Score: 1

      Go through this sites pages. 30 Days to becoming an Opera8 Lover. Don't be put off. You can get a good idea what's in the "30 days" worth of stuff in under 10 minutes, and go back for specifics that interest you. http://tntluoma.com/opera/lover/ Opera is a faster, smoother experience for me when surfing than FireFox (don't even get me started on IE). There are a couple of FireFox extensions I wish had Opera counterparts for (AdBlock being the biggest one), but the trade-off of a quick, responsive UI is far and away more important than 95% of the Firefox extensions I've seen. I'd used the ad-supported version for quite a while (with a large monitor I really don't notice the missing space -- other browsers eat up close to that amount with inflexible UIs). Now it's "in effect" free, what better time to take advantage of it? I won't bash Firefox, it's my close 2nd favorite browser. It's the one I turn to if something doesn't like Opera (getting rarer and rarer) but sometimes even Firefox chokes on those pages as well.

    51. Re:how are they surviving by fbg111 · · Score: 1

      ...why are there diehard fans of the opera browser? ...and what's still drawing in new users into the Opera club?

      In a nutshell b/c migrating from any browser to Opera is like migrating from any OS to OS X. Yes, Firefox's extensions and tabbed browsing are nice, but relatively clunkily implemented. Once you've learned Opera, there's just no comparison, and no going back. It's the OS X of web browsers.

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    52. Re:how are they surviving by g0_p · · Score: 1

      1. I dont have to install extensions for getting all of the most important features that I want in a browser. I use 4-5 machines between work and home. I dont want to keep having to install extensions after having installed the browser on each of the machines.
      2. Relatively small footprint and that includes one of the best email clients. It is waaaay better than thunderbird and is extremely well integrated in opera. I dont use the chat at all but thats another thing that people can use if they want to. I do use the "Notes" quite often.(Virtual folders in gmail? Guess who had it first?)
      3. Its got a nifty text-to-speech thingy in the browser that I use sometimes. For sight impaired people I am sure it is an excellent tool.
      4. Mouse gestures, very stable tabbing behaviour, quick rendering.
      5. 1 button press to enable/disable proxy server, to disable/enable ads, plugins, java, javascript, sound, gifs. etc.
      6. Text and image magnification...
      7. I hate the default download folder thingy in firefox. The download manager sucks in firefox and way more convenient in opera. It tells me the location of each and every download and is consistent with the tabbed philosophy of opera. It works well in linux and windows with the file roller knowing what to do for every download type. (And dont tell me that it is configurable. I dont want to reconfigure all the browsers on all my machines for this one thing.)

      Bottomline is that I dont want to have to hunt for plugins for a lot of the features that are important to me. I dont want to depend on the quality of a third party plugin developer code for a lot of the things that I use everyday (and which may break the next time I upgrade my browser). I have been a regular user of opera for a couple of years now and I've never looked back.

    53. Re:how are they surviving by nicomen · · Score: 1

      Check out http://opera.com/products/mobile/ where you can download both the Symbian Series 60 and Windows Mobile for Smartphone version.

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    54. Re:how are they surviving by Anna+Merikin · · Score: 1

      I have been using Opera since ver. 2.xx, about nine years or so. I still use old hardware sometimes, and Firefox borks on PentiumII's, K6-2's and slower. Opera runs fine on very slow, memory-impaired hardware. And I know the keyboard shortcuts and 'gestures' by heart.

      Firefox is nice, too. But I have used Opera for a long time (eschewing IE from its beginnings) and will continue to do so until something Firefox offers that Opera does not appears. So far, that hasn't happened.

      Of course, if some generous /.er replaces my aging Dell M133 notebook with something faster, I may change my tune.

    55. Re:how are they surviving by runderwo · · Score: 1

      I've had that exact problem and was wondering if I was the only one suffering from it. If you report a bug, it gets tagged as unreproducible because of the sporadic nature of the behavior. Sigh.

    56. Re:how are they surviving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't find it anywhere to download? There's links on the opera.com homepage! How much easier do you want it?

    57. Re:how are they surviving by krunk4ever · · Score: 1

      this is also native if Firefox known as keyword in the bookmark listing.

    58. Re:how are they surviving by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "To rephrase, why ought I migrate to Opera?"

      I'm a hard core Opera zealot. However, I also know what a pain in the ass it is to switch based on somebody pounding it into your head. Every little difference is a huge annoyance. (Heck, I recently converted a friend of mine from IE to Opera, and he kicked and screamed most of the time. When FireFox has most of the functionality, it's bound to be even harder.) The fact is, if you like FireFox, there isn't a whole heck of a lot of reason to switch. So don't worry, I'm not here to tell you that you should switch.

      You do sound interested in why Opera has a following, so I figured I'd share my input. I've used Opera exclusively for about 3 years now. (whenever version 6 came out.) I also have FireFox installed and I do use it somewhat frequently. (Note: The reason I say I use both but I use Opera exclusively is that I keep FF around because it has its own cookies. I help maintain web forum so having a seperate browser with a 'peon' logged in is eaiser than doing a lot of logging in and out. If I didn't do this regularly, I doubt I'd have FF around.) I have not, however, gone extension hunting so please understand my point isn't to point out what Opera has that FireFox hasn't, but rather what Opera has that I enjoy.

      - To start with, yes, Opera is significantly more responive. That's been mentioned so I'll skip it.

      - Opera has a very friendly UI. Don't like the way tabs are arranged? No prob, drag them into the order you like. You can make shortcuts ANYWHERE, quite intuitively I might add. (click and drag, done.) Don't like one of the buttons, right click and click "Remove". Etc. When somebody like me has used Opera for a long time, using FireFox is somewhat painful. Though the facilities for performing these options are there, they take more digging to find them.

      - Opera has a really nice zoom feature that literally magnifies the whole page. I expect FireFox has an extension for this, but its' not there by default. Honestly, when Opera has all this stuff available right away, it sounds almost masochistic to go hunting for extensions. I wouldn't be offended if you called me ignorant for that. I can tell you that I have gone extension hunting for FireFox, but I can also tell you that I couldn't believe how much junk there was to sift through when looking for a particular feature. I'm spoiled and I reinstall rather frequently. It's quite refreshing to just have one file to go download and you're done. (In other words, I can get back up to speed in Opera rather quickly...)

      - Opera, IMHO, is a lot friendlier as a full screen browser. FireFox has a tendancy to want to open stuff outside of FireFox. To some this is a blessing, to me it's annoying. On my single screen setup at home, I prefer to have one browser maximized. On my dual screen setup at work, I like to have Opera manually sized to one screen, and nothing ever leaves that screen. I doubt a lot of people share my pickiness over this, but to me it's a blessing.

      - Opera's side bar is quite useful. FireFox has one too, but it appears it only supports bookmarks and history. (again, extensions may make this more useful...) Opera has little icons down the side indicating what the sidebar will do, so I switch a lot. Sometimes it's for the transfer window (i.e. when I'm downloading lots of files.) Sometimes it's for the email client. Sometimes it's for bookmarks. I have lots of quick access there.

      - Opera has a notes feature that I love dearly. It's sort of like bookmarks, only it stores whatever you have highlighted and clicked. I use this a lot for the plugin development I'm doing for Lightwave. I highlight and 'copy to note' the interesting tidbit of info. Then it stays in the sidebar. I can click on a note and see the text that I copied. If I double click, it opens the page where it found it. This is what bookmarks should be. Even if the site's gone, I still have the info I copied.

      - Opera's transfer window is quite ha

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    59. Re:how are they surviving by netsharc · · Score: 1

      Regarding mouse gestures...
      To go forward: press and hold the left mouse button, then press the right button.

      Guess how to got back? :) Hold the right mouse button, press the left one.

      After a while it feels natural to you, I love it. This comment posted using Opera.

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    60. Re:how are they surviving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Middle clicking for paste and go is a horrible UI. If you're reaching to middle click a link and miss it. Ooops, your browser will now try to interpret whatever random thing you had in your clipboard as an address. User view and author view let you switch between a custom style-sheet and whatever the page-author puts up. This lets you override the author's awfull choices when they make a page unusable, but also use the author's stylesheet when it is more sane.

    61. Re:how are they surviving by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      You forgot that you can cycle between tabs using '1' and '2' keys. Notice how it conveniently frees your right hand!

    62. Re:how are they surviving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are quiet a few reasons I use Opera. Without needing extensions, I get all the following:

      And that right there is why I use Firefox over Opera. Sure, Opera has craploads of great features, but how many of them am I actually going to use? Firefox has almost all of the features you mentioned (not sure about the second one) available as extensions - meaning I can get only the features I want without all of the extra bloat.

    63. Re:how are they surviving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, middle clicking has been such a horrible UI that's it's used in practically every linux application to run on Gnome or KDE...

    64. Re:how are they surviving by cakesy · · Score: 1

      Damn you, now I have to switch back to Opera. Haven't used it for a few years, but loved it then.

    65. Re:how are they surviving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      try pornzilla enhancements to firefox.

      http://www.squarefree.com/pornzilla/

      you won't be disappointed

      your gf might be though

    66. Re:how are they surviving by slapout · · Score: 1

      It's not the use of a middle click, it's how it's being used here.

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    67. Re:how are they surviving by pclminion · · Score: 1
      I find the mouse gestures on Opera are just so much better than those available (with an extension) on Firefox or Mozilla. It's like the difference between day and night.

      I like Opera's gestures too, but have you tried the RadialContext plugin for Firefox (just Google it, I won't bother to link)? It's a lot like gestures, and having used it for almost a year now, I find it totally natural.

      I switch browsers a lot -- I use Opera's gestures when it's around, Firefox with RadialContext when it's not, and CocoaGestures/Safari when I'm at home using my Mac Mini. It's kind of like being able to use both Emacs and vi comfortably -- totally possible to learn, and it makes you a lot more flexible.

      (Speaking of Emacs and vi, have you ever tried running vi inside Emacs? Now there's a mindfuck.)

    68. Re:how are they surviving by pmsyyz · · Score: 1

      Next stable release of Firefox, 1.5, will have fast back. It is already checked in and turned on. See the tracking bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27478 4

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    69. Re:how are they surviving by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      To rephrase, why ought I migrate to Opera?

      That's not rephrasing the question.

      The correct question to ask, if you are interested in why there are Opera users, is: Why ought an Opera user migrate to Firefox?

      The thing to remember is that Opera was around long before Firefox (yes, some of us ditched IE long before it became fashionable, and whilst I'm glad that Firefox is around, to be honest it gets tiring to hear Firefox-fans telling us to ditch Opera, when we've been happily enjoying an IE-beater for years...) so even if Opera and Firefox are equally matched, and even if all new users go for Firefox, there is still not much of a reason for Opera users to switch, and no point to going through the hassle of downloading and getting used to a new browser. Having adverts isn't really a problem - I've now used my free registration, but the increase in useable screen size was negligible.

      Another consideration is that (imo) Opera works better than Firefox out of the box. Firefox may or may not be able to do the things I like about Opera if I install a load of extensions, but it's a hassle to have to try and find these extensions and download them all.

    70. Re:how are they surviving by Domo-Sun · · Score: 1

      I think one of the most important features of Opera is the User Style Sheets.

      If you give every element a color, background, font, or border, you can essentially skin web pages. It's wonderful and entertaining and can make pages more 'accessible'. My journal has some stylesheets for the Light PDA-Version of Slashdot. I would give more, but /. hacks them.

      This can also be accomplished with Firefox web developer extension, but Opera is just faster.

      One thing that I dislike about Opera is that starting after version 5, every new version is so drastically different in its behavior, rendering, shourtcuts, etc.. it's a bit annoying, but generally you can customized the behavior back to how you like.

    71. Re:how are they surviving by Domo-Sun · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure exactly what you mean but Firefox can by default use custom stylesheets which I would think, accomplishes the same thing.

      Not really. User stylesheets are not intuitive in FireFox and I think they cascade with the authors. You can accomplish this with the Web Developer extension you can Disable All CSS, then Add Stylesheet to accomplish the same thing. If there is no CSS in the page, just do Add.

      If you know of a better extension, let me know.

      However, in Opera, the User Mode overrides the Authors styles, and in opera it has generally been easy to do this... They moved it and changed the shortcut...

      Just hit Shift + G.

      Or you can click on the glasses on the right you should see the Author/User Mode button.

      Now for the good part:

      Press Alt + P, Advanced, Content, Style options...

      Then specify a user stylesheet. Use one of mine from my journal.

    72. Re:how are they surviving by Nicolay77 · · Score: 1

      I'm a super Opera fan, and I keep telling my friends about it.

      One of them, switched to Firefox later because he is a Web developer and relies heavily in the DOM browser.

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  28. 10 years of Opera by brajesh · · Score: 3, Informative
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  29. Quicky review by Fished · · Score: 4, Informative
    I have to admit that I had not tried Opera in years. However, I decided to go ahead and try it again since (a) it was free and (b) I've been more or less stuck with IE because of corporate websites that require Microsoft's JVM to work.

    Cutting straight to the chase, Opera DOES work with corporate websites that require Microsoft's JVM, and Firefox does not. That's the good news.

    Bad news: I think the speed claims may be overblown. I also find the interface a bit klunky. More substantively, the browser would be improved by having it automatically import IE bookmarks. Unfortunately, I had to manually import the bookmarks.

    Otherwise, looks pretty good.

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    1. Re:Quicky review by cocotoni · · Score: 1

      File > Import and Export > Import Internet Explorer Favorites.

      Can import a lot more things...

    2. Re:Quicky review by jp10558 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The default interface is a topic of lots of argument - if you look at the screenshot history, many (myself included) liked the Opera 5.x era default interface (minus the ad of course).

      OTOH, Opera's interface isn't difficult to customize either, I have 8.02 looking very similar to that O5 default interface.

      On the my.opera.com servers (assuming they aren't melting) there are one click (or two click if you want to separate out look and function) downloads to mimic IE or FF or Safari.

      You can also create your own rather simply - though menu editing is more difficult - ini edits are necessary.

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    3. Re:Quicky review by Sentry21 · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, I had to manually import the bookmarks.

      You mean you had to go File -> Import and Export -> Import Internet Explorer Favorites ? Not so hard.

      One thing I've hated about a certain unnamed browser on Windows is its insistence on importing IE favorites (putting a submenu with them). Despite repeated efforts to delete it, it kept on returning every time I restarted the program.

      Perhaps popping up a 'migration wizard' or somesuch would be a good idea, but automatically doing it without asking (especially when such an easy method is available) is just silly.

  30. Re:Weeeeeeee! by ahecht · · Score: 1

    Yes, it will go nicely with the free registration code I got from CT Magazine's web site back in April.

  31. Egg Tooth by bsd4me · · Score: 1

    Does this count?

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  32. Roboform by JRock911 · · Score: 1

    Sadly, its the lack of Roboform integration that has kept me from making the jump to Opera. For those of you not in the know, Roboform is perhaps the greatest password manager/form filler ever created. Great, GREAT software. I love Firefox but it just isnt stable for me the way I use it. I'm constantly dealing with crashes when opening multiple tabs. Maxthon, on the other hand, is rock solid when using tabs but it's IE based so...... The common thing between the two is I can use Roboform.. Damn you, Opera!

    1. Re:Roboform by brokenarmsgordon · · Score: 1

      Actually, it does have those features. The userid/password saving is done with the magic wand, which will automatically ask if you want to save that info when you sign into a page, and personal information like name and address can be entered under the wand tab in preferences.

    2. Re:Roboform by JRock911 · · Score: 1

      Thats true.. the Magic Wand is passable as a password manager but unfortunately it doesnt offer the flexibility of Roboform.

      Sadly I see threads pop up on the Opera forum all the time about people wanting Roboform integration and usually Opera users try to pass off Magic Wand as a Roboform substitute. I'm willing to give it a try again but it's sort of like comparing Firefox's built in password manager to Roboform.

    3. Re:Roboform by brokenarmsgordon · · Score: 1

      That's probably true. Magic Wand works great as a password manager. It automatically fills in my id and password and that's all I really want from it. I've never used Roboform, so if it automatically fills in the address fields and stuff like that, then I don't think Opera can do that. It's one of those cases where I don't need it, so it doesn't affect me, but I can still see the usefulness of it. Isn't it sad that that's a rare opinion? This whole page is all Opera vs Firefox, and indeed a lot of pages are Windows vs Linux, and whenever someone brings up something that the other side doesn't have, we always get a snide remark like "X doesn't have it, but that feature is stupid and we don't need it. Let Y keep it." Sorry, no Roboform for Opera. Better off with Firefox, I guess.

    4. Re:Roboform by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      True, roboform integration is a loss. I just don't spend much time filling out forms.

      If you have to have roboform, you are limited - if you just need the functionality, there are some things available for similar stuff.

      There is a userjs autocomplete, there are the notes and personal info fields you can use to give dropdowns on text areas. There is the wand for login management.

      I personally use a combination of the notes/personal info and Keywallet which is cross browser.

      One thing I don't get is why roboform can't use something like Key Wallet does to drop things into Opera, and can't read out the fields via a proxy or something... Or even screen grabs maybe?

      I think the big issue so far is that Opera doesn't want to let roboform into their code, and Roboform doesn't want to share API needs to Opera (like ASpell being open source did, and Opera integrated). This is one issue where companies are butting heads (roboform is commercial right - not OSS?).

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    5. Re:Roboform by JRock911 · · Score: 1

      Correct, Roboform is commercial.

      Perhaps Ill take a look at KeyWallet.. I didnt realize there was any sort of password manager that worked with Opera.

      Youre right tho.. if they can make it work, it's puzzling that Roboform can't/won't.

    6. Re:Roboform by jp10558 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, I'd love to see such a feature added to Opera.

      I'm really not sure why Roboform can't work with Opera - on the Opera forums, it seems to be a case of Roboform claiming Opera doesn't let them do X which is needed to make it work, and Opera claiming the same thing to Roboform.

      Drop it in the wishlists of both companies, maybe with enough outcry it will get fixed.

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    7. Re:Roboform by hkmwbz · · Score: 1
      "it seems to be a case of Roboform claiming Opera doesn't let them do X which is needed to make it work, and Opera claiming the same thing to Roboform"
      No, it's about Opera not allowing software to integrate itself with Opera (which does prevent spyware, but hey...). Opera has all the stuff that's needed, apart from a plug-in API which can be used by Roboform to access internal Opera stuff.

      Obviously creating such an API specifically for Roboform would be a waste of time and resources. All we can hope for is that a general API is made available at some point.

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  33. Happy Birthday... by warmgun · · Score: 5, Funny

    We've crashed your server! Happy Birthday!

    1. Re:Happy Birthday... by d3bruts1d · · Score: 1

      It's not dead yet. :P

    2. Re:Happy Birthday... by Recrofne · · Score: 1

      Haha, Happy birthday indeed!

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    3. Re:Happy Birthday... by daeley · · Score: 1

      It's not dead yet. :P

      You're not fooling anyone.

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  34. Geek Heaven by chia_monkey · · Score: 1

    Oh this is like Geek Heaven. Free stuff! Will I ever use it? Who knows. Do I ever use all that free swag I get at trade shows? Not really. I do have my Snap.com slinky proudly displayed on the mantle however. I will admit I was too lazy to try to win a t-shirt. It's not "free" if I have to work for it.

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  35. Re:Opera isn't free by Gorath99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Opera bloated? Powerful, sure, but bloated? I have both Opera and FF (with Flashblock being the only extension) open, with the same sites loaded and Opera uses about 20MB of ram, while FF uses over 100MB. The download was a heck of a lot smaller too.

    I'll probably stick to FF, since I don't really like Opera's interface, but if bloat was an issue, I'd switch to Opera in a heartbeat.

  36. Re:Opera isn't free by brokenarmsgordon · · Score: 1

    How is the flat-out, undisputedly fastest browser in the world too bloated for you?

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  38. Re:Opera isn't free by sucker_muts · · Score: 1

    I won't bother to discuss startup and page load speeds.

    I'm a long time happy opera user, on linux (and windows on my brother's pc), but there is one strange thing:
    Startup takes about 3 seconds on Win XP, and it takes at least 10 seconds on my desktop Mandriva LE 2005 install. What gives?

    (For those few times I used firefox on a friends pc, the page loads seemed slower with FF, but it did reload forum pages better than opera... It's a strage world we live in!)

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  39. It not really "works"... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... it rather *languishes* away,

    considering the - for modern users - nearly unusable interface
    (ex: "hey, why does rocker nav open a popup menu?? what? i have to actually *move* the mouse to the button and click, *just to go *back*???" "where are the tabs??" "where is the adblocker??"),

    the tons of bugs
    (ask a real web developer. i'm pretty sure he answers you that he wants to strangle everyone still forcing him to support this load of misdocumented inconsistent unreliable crap that IE calls an API ;),

    and the chances that it ever gets really *good*...
    (depending of M$ being *good* from your POV)

    I guess if I were an american i'd sue you for compensation for the pain and suffering you helped to do to me. ;P

    P.S.: I got in fact fired because in some special cases of inconsistency a (nearly) unpatched IE 6 destroys the whole site by making it unusable (and ugly). It seemed that the press and marketing chimps from many important companies did not have the patch, but in our company everyone had it. So I never saw a problem, released it, and *bam*: We were "blamed" that much at out target group that my big boss fired me.
    (Okay, you could also say that i should rather hate those chimps. In fact i hate IE *and* them. ;)

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    1. Re:It not really "works"... by MSFanBoi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some of us are actually using IE 7.0 Beta1...

      As for having to move the mouse just to go back, I have a multibutton mouse, didnt even have to set it up to use the thumb button as the "Back" function.

      Are you telling me Opera, Mozilla and Firefox don't have a tonne of bugs? I work of plenty of Web App devs who know all too well that there a bugs, lots of bugs, both big and small in all of the above, including IE.

      And who's fault is it for not patching?

    2. Re:It not really "works"... by masklinn · · Score: 1
      Are you telling me Opera, Mozilla and Firefox don't have a tonne of bugs? I work of plenty of Web App devs who know all too well that there a bugs, lots of bugs, both big and small in all of the above, including IE.

      Comparatively and as far as websites/web applications go, Opera, Firefox, Safari or Konqueror have no bug in front of MSIE.

      And no damn blasted missing feature that you'd really want to use but can't because MS' JScript doesn't have it, too

      Not to mention that IE is as dev-unfriendly as you can get: hundreds of quirks and special cases (wanna hear the last one? you can't use "tags" as the ID of an element, because IE puts it in it's global namespace so that you can use pretty shiny "document.tags" and it breaks when you try to print because "document.tags" is actually a vital printing API), buggy renderings of just about everything, buggy cache, specific proprietary DOM and events APIs (which suck, by the way) and last, but not the least, no damn blasted frigging useable Javascript console/debugger (and no, that sorry excuse for a javascript alert doesn't help you debug shit, try Firefox's Javascript console to check what a true console/alert is)

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    3. Re:It not really "works"... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      > Some of us are actually using IE 7.0 Beta1...

      Okay, better, but from my POV still far, far, away. mainly because they not *want* to make it 100% conforming to the standards.

      > As for having to move the mouse just to go back, I have a multibutton mouse, didnt even have to set it up to use the thumb button as the "Back" function.

      Me too, even with a forward-button and stuff? But this was only an example for saying: there are so many things i'm used to that make my work faster, that i feel like impaird when using even IE 7...

      > Are you telling me Opera, Mozilla and Firefox don't have a tonne of bugs? I work of plenty of Web App devs who know all too well that there a bugs, lots of bugs, both big and small in all of the above, including IE.

      Well, i *am* a WebDev doing rich internet apps professionally since 1998, and of course you are right: there are tons of bugs in every bigger app. That's completely normal. the best way to explain the difference is to explain how you debug a RIA on IE vs. firefox where the reason is a browsr-bug (hypothetical case!):

      1)
      Firefox: "Javascript Error: Object 'button' does not have a property 'UI' in line 523 in file 'gui.lib.js'"
      IE: "Error in line 523: Object not found"

      2)
      Firefox: Ah, there's the object. of course it has no element UI. It IS the UI, not the model! But why does it ask for the UI-property?
      IE: First problem: Wich file does he mean? there are 20 of 'em. Second problem: The given line not always reflects the real line. Sometimes it's one line below, sometimes it's completely elsewhere.

      3)
      Firefox: After using the venkman debugger, the dom inspector and some 30 minutes of time you eliminated all the possibilities that it can be your code.
      IE: After sund *hours* to track down the real line (s) of the problem you find 3 code fragments that - if removed - fix the thing. Problem: A) None of them has anything to do with a bug. They work fine when used in a test site. And B) It's not always reproducible making it a pain in the ass to track the thing down.

      4)
      Firefox: I go to bugzilla.mozilla.org, and either find a bug report with a workaround and/or a "nightly build fixed. WFM". or i create a new one that shortly also becomes such a bug report.
      IE: I go to msdn.microsoft.com, but there is no useful information. With some luck i get a small hint on soem special case that could be involved.

      5)
      Firefox: Now where i know the exact cause of the problem i can implement the workaround very easily and i can continue with real work.
      IE: After a (maybe some) night(s) of taking the whole webapp and the involved IE APIs apart, finding nothing, trying here and there, again finding nothing and basically building a new (maybe slower) implementation of the functionality (leaving one less way to do it), i get my workaround and can contine to work, if i still have the nerves to do so.

      Any further questions?

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    4. Re:It not really "works"... by dave1212 · · Score: 1

      All browsers have bugs, that's not the issue at hand. If my site works in every browser but IE, then there's a problem with IE that has to change. IE still breaks a ton of standards-compliant sites, and will do so for the foreseeable future. (you're using the MS 'future' now, so I'm sure you can attest, as your fellow win user Paul Thurrot just found out how crappy it really is)

      This sucks for the real web developers who want to (and should have to) work only the amount they should need to in order to build a standards-compliant site. It's a shame that Microsoft has played such a dirty trick on the gadzillions of windows users.

    5. Re:It not really "works"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IE and Mozilla/Firefox have supported (on Windows at least) the Backspace key and Alt-Left Arrow as back for more years then I can remember. Just because you didn't know about them doesn't mean they weren't there.

  40. Re:Opera isn't free by Mr_Silver · · Score: 1
    Exactly why I don't use Opera... too bloated, but to each their own.

    Except that it's not bloated.

    Under Windows, Opera 8.02 is 3,757 KB and Firefox 1.0.6 weighs in at 4,713 KB.

    So not only do you get a tonne of features in Opera that Firefox doesn't have by default - but it's actually smaller by over 950 KB.

    If you want to complain about bloat, by all means, but you shouldn't be accusing Opera of it.

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  41. Re:Weeeeeeee! by Taladar · · Score: 1

    They just released version 8. What makes you think they will release version 9 anytime soon (serious question, I would like to know)?

  42. Happy B-Day Opera! + Another Way To Get Opera Free by d3bruts1d · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been using Opera for probably 4 years now, and couldn't be happier. IMO, Opera has been (and still is) well worth the price. Obviously I'm not alone as many other people also purchase Opera. :P

    Though, for those of you who run websites, blogs, or whatever there is another way for you to get Opera for free. And that is simply by sending 250 referrals to Opera. So if you miss out on the birthday party, you want to look into that.

    I look forward to Opera's 20th birthday and beyond!

  43. You Get What You Pay For by simetra · · Score: 1

    Firefox = Clunky fixer-upper that you have to restart every time you change something

    Opera = tight, ready-to-go

    For many people, it's worth supporting a company (by paying) to get a nice, feature-rich browser that doesn't require a lot of dicking-around to get working the way you want.

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    1. Re:You Get What You Pay For by FlyingCheese · · Score: 0
      Firefox = Clunky fixer-upper that you have to restart every time you change something

      Hmm, that's a new one, you sure you're talking about Firefox?

      You know, Opera used to be a real P.O.S. in its earlier versions...

    2. Re:You Get What You Pay For by yRabbit · · Score: 1

      I'll assume they mean for installing or uninstalling an extension or changing themes. Those are the only times I recall having to restart Firefox.
      That, and having to close it before installing a browser plugin.
      That's nowhere near "every time you change something".

  44. Try Deepnet Explorer by grubbymitts · · Score: 1

    Try Deepnet Explorer - go on give it a go. http://www.deepnetexplorer.com/ Yes. it's based on IE, but doesn't allow those nasty BHOs and the content filter is superb - you can set it up to stop anything you want. No more .exe or .cab files on drive by downloading. Plus an excellent popup blocker and a phishing site warning tool too. Of course, the easiest way to not get affected by drive by downloading, even with IE, is not to go on porn sites or warez sites in the first place. Big plus: Roboform works ace on it! I used to have Roboform on Firefox on my old machine, but now I can't get the extension to work properly. BOO HISS!

  45. Re:Opera isn't free by MarkGriz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "My FF has 93 extensions, at least half of which are features that are standard in Opera."

    Exactly why I don't use Opera... too bloated, but to each their own

    Exactly why I don't use Firefox. It tried, really. But endlessly searching for extensions (and deleting the ones that sucked, lather, rinse, repeat) to give me the functionality I was used to was just too much hassle.

    For example, Opera automatically tracks your browsing session so if your computer crashes (yes I run Windows) or you close Opera, it automatically restores your session when you restart Opera. Since I typically have about 10 browser tabs open at any time, this was a must have feature for me. I tried to get similar functionality from Firefox plugins. At the time (last year) I only found a few, and they either had lousy functionality or were extremely slow.

    Maybe things have improved but I really don't care. Opera works for me and I see no compelling reason to switch, especially with a free reg code (not that the ads bothered me to begin with)

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  46. Opera did not use Cydoor code by :jax: · · Score: 5, Informative

    Opera never used Cydoor or anyone else's software for the ad banner, and wasn't spyware with version 5 either. We spent a lot of effort to make sure of that. The entire architecture was our own. Cydoor was just an ad provider.

    Jonny Axelsson, Opera Software

    1. Re:Opera did not use Cydoor code by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      I understand that fully.

      However, if the AC WAS referring to Cydoor, he probably didn't know that.

      BTW, how do you like your slashdotting? :P

      I'd join the chat, but I'm behind a Nazi Content Filter that blocks IRC traffic...

  47. Happy birthday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks a lot, Opera!
    Long life and prosperity.

    From today on, I'm just a more proud Opera user.

    Please, don't fraintend me: I've also Firefox installed, but to be honest, it is used only for the flashy-crapped web-pages, since the plugin is disabled (by me, not by default) in Opera itself.

    Opera just does all I request it for, and it does it well.

    And no, IE is not an option (was it ever?) since *no Microsoft products have been used to write this message*.

  48. Second half of the party chat by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Interesting

    OK, here's what I believe is about the second half of the party chat on IRC:

    ROBOd asks: how you like the "all-new, brand-new and polished" Internet Explorer 7?
    Haakon: They have made some improvements in the UI, it took them 4 years or so. I was very disappointed that they didn't fix any rendering bugs. They have promised some fixes, but will not support Acid2 fully. That's a mistake.

    ROBOd asks: can you express your feelings about William Henry Gates the 3rd?
    Haakon: I've never met him. I had lunch with one of his men, Ballmer, though. I believe they are hardworking successful man that, unfortunately, not have accepted the responsiilities that comes with their size and power.

    Jazmo__ asks: So what is typical workday for you? Do you code or is it more like sending mails and speaking on phone?
    Haakon: I don't read or write Opera source code. I code in HTML, CSS and other web languages, but email takes most of my days. Sometimes meetings, although I try to cut back. Phone confereces are also common. I like lounging on a couch, bean bag or bed while working....
    Haakon: Where I'm most productive though, is in the shower. It'a great place for thinking.
    Haakon: I shower a lot.

    PowerUser asks: You all use emacs I assume?
    Haakon: Absolutely, I've been using gnu-emacs since 1987 and have found no reason to quit.

    eps asks: working in a company that actively tests compatibility of our software with firefox and opera (most of our programs are webbased now, activex/java/js horrid mixtures) and is interested in linux, what efforts are you making to support (I hate the idea too, but it would be handy for bussiness) activex webbased apps under windows (and possibly linux as we are moving to FOSS in as many areas as possible)
    Haakon: Active-X is a security threat and a windows-only solution. I don't think it would do us much good to support it, although I have sympathy with your position.

    Jakub81 asks: Did you (or: will you) implement support for CSS3 selectors in the new (Opera 9?) core?
    Haakon: I should know the answer to that one, I'm afraid the deatails are slipping me at the moment. CSS3 Selectors is one of the most mature CSS3 modules and I think we should support it.

    ROBOd asks: Will Opera ever have something like iCab browser which shows a crying smiley face when a page contains invalid code? That would let users know about which sites are better and would also give the devs an impulse to follow the standards.
    Haakon: Actually, I implemented that feature in the Arena browser (now historical) in 1994. I think it's great and have been suggesting it internally. However, there are thousands of good ideas, but only that many developers....

    Danimal82 asks: I am wondering, what do you think the world would be like without microsoft?
    Haakon: a better place, I believe. Although windows, word, powerpoint and other applications have made computers easier to use for many, I consider the PC -- as MS developed it in the 80/90s to be a dead end. Only the internet saved it, and we didn't need MS for that.

    Moderator: (To answer some questions about women at Opera: yes, we have women at Opera. Yes, some are coding ;))

    RedPing asks: freedom of choice in the mainline. Is that round now in the level of smart devices (smartphones, tablet pcs, handhelds, and so on)? Is this the new battlefield?
    Haakon: Yes, I think so
    Haakon: MS won the desktop, but the mobile market is much more open. I hope we can build it on standards -- so that we don't battle unnecessarily.

    Joshtek asks: What do you feel is special about software development?
    Haakon: It's so easy to get started -- all you need is a computer. In other areas -- math, physics, music -- you often need years of training to make a difference.
    Haakon: This is also why I'm against software patents -- it's so easy to have good ideas in this field.

    keny asks: What do you think of firefo

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    1. Re:Second half of the party chat by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      It seems this wasn't quite the end of it, as the browser designer for their desktop version of Opera will answer related questions to that one now.

      Although it seems to be mostly marketing answers, it would be interesting to know if the full transcript will be posted on Opera.com later...

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    2. Re:Second half of the party chat by MrHanky · · Score: 1
      Haakon: Where I'm most productive though, is in the shower. It'a great place for thinking.
      Haakon: I shower a lot.
      Typical closed-source non-free software guy. You can smell the shampoo from a mile off.
    3. Re:Second half of the party chat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      >Typical closed-source non-free software guy. You can smell the shampoo from a mile off.

      In comparison the luminaries of FSF who have to be hosed down in military grade decontamination solvents before the odd occation of being admitted into public places. Or out of their basement.

    4. Re:Second half of the party chat by Superken7 · · Score: 0

      I believe that was the first part. Trond answered some more questions for second part(quite larger):

      <haavard> <BtEO> Q: Are there any plans for a more detailed preferences interface, perhaps something along the lines of about:config. So we can tweak without having to restart.
      <trond> yes, we want most/all advanced stuff put further away like that, and make the normal prefs even simpler and focused on what an average user might find useful to change
      <joenp> rObkE asks: What do you think about the Mac GUI? On some systems it's really slow and Mac users are used to a native user interface (cfr. Apple's HIG).
      <trond> opera's desktop development has always centered around Windows.. simply because of marketshare.. while a beauitfully native mac UI would have been prefered on the mac platform, the compromise have of wanting a platform-independent UI for ease of development have made the mac version suffer a bit.. and the lack of resources to fine tune mac specific things have made things worse
      <trond> we hope to improve those things as we get more mac development resources
      <brianj> yikes asks: How important is it to keep the preferences dialog nice and clean? Does it affects the features you include or rather exclude?
      <trond> where to draw the line with regards to options etc is probably one of the most difficult ones.. when it comes to browsers today, it has almost become some sort of less-is-more hype to the extent that browsers almost compete to take away most things, just so that they won't get the "most complex browser in class" label.. but in the end, it's still difficult to draw the line.. we have had power users as our users, since average users would
      <trond> never switch browsers.. that has now changed, and it makes it even more difficult..
      <haavard> <manxstar> Don't you think that the SUPER customization ability of Opera is something that keeps beginners away from using Opera? I myself witnessed that and not only once... ?
      <brianj> lking asks: why did opera switch to a skinnable interface with a standard windows ui only being emulated? are skins a major selling factor or is the multi-platform support the reason?
      <trond> manxstar: I think that is correct, to some extent.. making everything so customizable was actuallly my way of trying to simplify Opera.. because I knew that I had to keep our current user base of power users happy since they are so important to us, so before I could simplify the defaults, I had to make it possible to get back to old design through some kind of options/customization... but that also had it's prize.. but the overall outcome was
      <trond> to the better I think..
      <trond> lking: skinning has been quiet a selling point for a niche browser like Opera, but it's true that it's not a very big deal for average user.. however, the whole skinable and platform independent UI system for Opera was needed to be able to make decent development possible for all platforms with limited resources...
      <joenp> Attention: Yes, there will be a transcript of this whole talk :)
      <trond> will it correct my spelling errors? :D
      <joenp> Verbatim ;)
      <trond> I guess it's my fault that we don't yet have inline edit red-underline spelling check while you type anyway :)
      <joenp> Keiichi asks: Will you ever release the source code of old versions, eg. Opera 3?
      <trond> I cannot really answer that one, but I don't think it'll happen anytime soon at least..
      ns to support a one-flie page saving format?
      <trond> dipnlik: yeah... AFAIK we support to read it, but not save it.. yet.. it's on the todo list afaik, but not sure where it is in the pipeline
      <joenp> CSMan asks: Will opera support plugins on freebsd 5.x with x.org ? there's a

  49. I feel bad by WesLsoN · · Score: 1

    I went through and got the free registration code and then realized I didn't even want it. :(

    1. Re:I feel bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Don't worry. I've downloaded Firefox several times.

  50. Re:Oh gee. Free registration codes. by dumeinst · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've used all three mainline windows browsers. IE, Firefox, Opera. IE is, for me, unusable. No tabs, slow, dull. It's a relic. And this from the 'leading' software company in the world.

    I've been using firefox for a good while now and I love it. It's everything you want and need plus inifinite customability.

    Having said that. I've used opera before but didn't like the ads and wasn't about to pay for features I could get for free. I downloaded it today and the speed of it puts firefox to SHAME.

    I'll probably continue using firefox but I can definitely see why people love this browser. Anyways. I'm just ranting. I'm sure no one gives a shit :)

  51. Its still no good by chrisjwray · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I used to like opera before I found firefox and dropped it because I couldnt use it for my online banking whereas firefox works fine and doesnt crash all the time. Just took up their free offer, installed it and ..... it still doesnt work.

    Perhaps in a later release guys. Nice gesture though.

    PS, if anybody can use opera with HSBC UK online banking then let me know how.

    1. Re:Its still no good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes I can and have done for a while. Not sure what your problem is there. Opera and HSBC UK work fine for me

    2. Re:Its still no good by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      That's odd, I use Opera for HSBC USA all the time - are the different countries that different for the bank code?

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    3. Re:Its still no good by chrisjwray · · Score: 1

      I think its some kind of popup setting causing a problem as the online banking opens in a new window.
      I actually live in Canada (moved last year) and find that in general banks have way less security with their online services over here. My current bank supplies the first 3 digits of your account number and even has an option to remember the password. Crazy

    4. Re:Its still no good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure i can get it to work, but I need to run some tests. What is your username/password ?

      Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    5. Re:Its still no good by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      That's right, my sister had an issue where the pop-up would go in the background, and she didn't see it and thought Opera didn't work. I think you have to disable raising and lowering of windows in the javascript options. And make sure you have block unwanted popups, not block all.

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    6. Re:Its still no good by mosschops · · Score: 1

      Opera did go through a patch with version 7 where there would be random crashes. They were a bit irritating, even tho the session recovery would restore all your open tabs+history when you opened it next.

      Thankfully, crashes are long gone now and it's as fast and smooth as ever. Still not quite up to Firefox-level compatibility, but display problems are pretty rare. About the worst is the odd site that refuses to work with it, even though fiddling the user-agent will show it works fine.

      If you're not a current registered subscriber, grab your free key while you can. It's definitely worth another look - certainly until Firefox can be speeded up (it's frustratingly sluggish after Opera!).

    7. Re:Its still no good by hallvors · · Score: 1

      Chris, I work for Opera and would like to investigate this. Could you contact me on E-mail address opera followed by at hallvord dot com?

  52. Got swim gear? by SCO+STINKS · · Score: 0

    I wonder if there will be anyone swimming at the party. I heard the CEO is an avid swimmer

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  53. Re:Opera isn't free by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    > At the time (last year) I only found a few, and they either had lousy functionality or were extremely slow.

    I use the "session saver" plugin for a logn time now and it's neiter slow nor bad in funtionality. W(great)FM

    But the funny thing is: If Opera is so "bloated", then why is it still (subjectively[?)) faster? (and has a more usable interface [i know there are poeple disagreeing with this, but i'm not].)

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  54. Re:Opera isn't free by Taladar · · Score: 1

    Bloated would be "cluttered user interface" or "slow startup times" or "high memory usage". As Opera has none of those but lots of useful Features you should really give it a try.

  55. Damn, now I miss the ads ... by TeXMaster · · Score: 1

    Semi-seriously, I was going the slow affiliate ways of getting the registration key (please click here), and now that I got it via the birthday party and finally registered ... Heck, you guys aren't going to believe it, but I miss the ad banner! ... I had grown so accustomed to it, as if it were part of the UI ...

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    "I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart" (Linus van Pelt)
    1. Re:Damn, now I miss the ads ... by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Same here...

      Of course, back in the Opera 6 days, Opera even threw some comic strips in the ad system for fun. When 7 came out, they must have switched providers, and they pulled the comics. Of course, when 7.2 came out, there was now no real reason to stick with the graphical ads...

    2. Re:Damn, now I miss the ads ... by Aranth+Brainfire · · Score: 1

      Google ads can be pretty hilarious, though...

      Go to goats.com, then try to guess how many users of that site have bought goat products through the ads.

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    3. Re:Damn, now I miss the ads ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG I miss the comics.
      I miss my text ads now.
      Worse, I owned a reg code I paid for, but I never put it in, now I put in a free one for fun and I'm like 'GAH'.

      Opera for life! (unless they nerf it of course)

  56. Oprah? by hotwatermusic · · Score: 5, Funny

    You get a browser! You get a browser! You get a browser!

    1. Re:Oprah? by zoogies · · Score: 1

      Mind you, careful the taxes! They're killer!

  57. Re:Oh gee. Free registration codes. by d3bruts1d · · Score: 1

    I'd much rather read a topic like this. :P

  58. Re:Weeeeeeee! by jp10558 · · Score: 1

    Sort of, but then I realised that A) my payment helps Opera develop new updates and a better browser (do any FF users donate? Are they pissed off they did?)

    and

    B) *I* get premium support, my issues end up *front and center* to the devs, rather than buried in the forum threads and such for the non payers. Guess which likely gets fixed first?

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  59. Re:Weeeeeeee! by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 5, Funny

    You should teach them a lesson by boycoting their free registration.

  60. Re:Opera isn't free by Alistar · · Score: 1

    Wow, I don't know whats with your Firefox installation, but I currently have 10 Firefox windows open with an average of 7 tabs in each and Im using 77MB. Oh and I have 27 extensions (including flashblock, noScript and AdBlock) and one of the more graphically intense themes installed.

  61. Fastest? by Richard+Steiner · · Score: 1

    Compared to Links? Or Dillo?

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  62. Here is why Opera is on my linux box by StressGuy · · Score: 1

    I am a civilian aircraft engineer who has been granted authority by the FAA to represent then in areas pertaining to my expertise. In the course of performing this function, I often need to refer to current and historical requlatory information as found on the FAA "airweb" site. Problem is, the javascript appears to be non W3C compliant and neither Firefox (or gecko based browsers in general as far as I can tell) nor Konqueror handle it correctly. However, Opera does. Therefore, I need Opera on my home computer for this specific website.

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  63. Re:Oh gee. Free registration codes. by masklinn · · Score: 1

    Well, i'm a Firefox use myself but I must say that Opera is much faster than a fully extensions-loaded Firefox (and even faster than a raw firefox), which means that on an old/crappy box Opera will be much more useable than FF and will hog much less memory. Which is nice, because Firefox on a

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  64. Guilt by adolfojp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I preach Opera like a Jehovah's Witness preaches... well... Jehovah.

    It is like firefox, with most of the extensions installed, without hoarding your memory, and completelly integrated. Oh, It also reads your mail. It is a 4MB download.

    Opera spoiled me because now I cannot use any browser that doesn't use Sessions. Its usability is superb, nothing comes close. Every single detail has been polished.

    I have always used the ads to support Opera. Specially since the ad sense ads that occupy the same screen real estate as a toolbar. Getting a free version makes me feel rather guilty actually.If only Microsoft made me feel that way :-)

    Adolfo

    1. Re:Guilt by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      I know...

      I'm half tempted to send at least $10 their way somehow...

      That's how good the browser is, IMO.

      However, you bet that I'll be entering the t-shirt competition. Haiku all the way :P

    2. Re:Guilt by Illissius · · Score: 1

      Ditto. I'm getting a free reg code (hey, why not), but I'm not sure I'll actually use it...

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    3. Re:Guilt by Kamots · · Score: 1

      I'm getting a free reg code for my work machine.

      But I'll be sending them $40 or whatever it is for my home machine though. Like you said, I'd feel guilty if I wasn't. They've got a great product and a great corporate attitude and I've never been against supporting a (nice, ie not RIAA) company that has a product that I like.

  65. Re:Opera isn't free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must not know what you are talking about or you use a ridiculous amount of extensions.

    I am currently using 24mb on a ~500mhz or so laptop

  66. Re:Happy B-Day Opera! + Another Way To Get Opera F by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

    Yeah, now I need to do something with those links...

    With the referrals, is it OK to fully get rid of the code from the referral so that someone else can have it, if you already got a code elsewhere (like the party)?

  67. Re:Opera isn't free by lbmouse · · Score: 1

    Exactly why I don't use Fx. Try Lynx 2.8.3.

  68. Useful sites for all the new Opera users by Taladar · · Score: 4, Informative

    When you finished /.ing opera.com or still need reasons why to use Opera you might want to have a look at the following sites:

    Opera Wiki
    Opera Userjavascripts at userjs.org
    30 Days to becoming an Opera8 Lover

    1. Re:Useful sites for all the new Opera users by d3bruts1d · · Score: 2, Informative

      Don't forget Opera-Watch... :P It's probably the best site as far as insider info and news about the Opera Browser.

  69. Re:Opera isn't free by Gorath99 · · Score: 1

    That did sound like a rather big difference, so I closed FF and re-opened all my tabs. FF is now at 39MB. Still almost double what Opera uses, but significantly less than before.

    The previous FF instance had been running for several days, except for the occasional hiberation period. Looks like there's a memory leak somewhere.

  70. Re:Opera isn't free by Tim+C · · Score: 1

    I am currently running FF with a single window open, which has 12 tabs (including this one), which has been running for about 6 hours now, mostly in the background. Task Manager reports its memory usage to be 97MB. I regularly see FF's memory usage go over 100MB.

    I'm running 1.0.6 with the Noia theme and 2 extensions (ad block and web developer).

    FF is great, but in my experience its a real memory hog.

  71. Say what you will about competing browsers... by DigitalJeremy · · Score: 1

    eg, "better", "worse", "x browser does it better", etc etc...

    Thanks Opera, and Happy Birthday!

    Rather good of them to give their product away.

    Kudos!

  72. Re:Opera isn't free by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1

    What extensions do you use?

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  73. You asked :) by Lellor · · Score: 1

    (generated from a quick script).

    nick alistair, john garth, tom mark
    blitter quaylesen, rudolph ottosen
    drew phillip, jeffrey stove, kent mark
    rick garth, quayle blittersen, shawn kent
    colin nolanhouse, dwight yates, justin bernard
    nico alistair, fred fredsen, steve jeffrey
    quayle jason, matthew mcarnold, otto murphy
    tom dane, ned earpbridge,alistair john
    dain markbridge, dwight edward, ed blitter
    andrew lew, mark donovan, nolan jeffrey
    ned phillip, zeta xavier, tim shawnson
    yates mcnico, matthew mcalistair, ben stoveson
    murphy nick, nevin wallace, drew wallace
    flynn nick, dwight nicoson, walter lervis
    herman flynnwater, quayle donovansen
    rudolph frankbridge, rick lon, murphy stove
    roland quaylemc, john nevin, stuart baxter
    michael shawnmc, nicholas dennis, erasmus nicholas
    flynn xavier, kent gustav, rudolph mcgavin
    xavier dwain, frank roland, victor dwight
    xavier brett, mark patrick, david donovansen
    murphy matthew, ned earl, lon dwight
    quayle dean, lon nevin, patrick justin
    keegan nicholasbridge, dennis kevin
    greg wallace, patrick nicholas, drew lew
    jeffrey frank, murphy gustav, kyle dane
    aaron quentin, garth eauldman, stove stove
    dwain flynn, dennis lervisson, murphy rolandwater
    stuart nolan, steve nickhouse, bernard cade
    ronald mcandrew, noah nolan, dain walter
    keegan andrew, donald gavinsen, noah dennisbridge
    shawn erasmus, ned earphouse, nico sherb,
    rick stove, edgar ottosen, xavier don,
    ubert yatesson, arnold mark, dean alistair

    In case anyone is interested, here is the code:

    import random

    a=("andrew","alistair","aaron","arnold","ben","bor is","baxter","bernard","brett","cade","dennis","da vid","donald","drew","earl","eauldman","frank","fr ed","garth","gavin","greg","gustav","herman","jack ","john","jason","jeffrey","jorge","kevin","keegan ","kyle","lon","lew","lervis","mark","nick","noah" ,"nolan","ned","nevin","otto","phillip","patrick", "quentin","ronald","roland","robert","rick","rudol ph","steve","stuart","shawn","sherb","tom","tim"," ubert","victor","walter","wendel","wallace","xavie r","yates","zeta","nico","nicholas","michael","mat thew","colin","kent","justin","erasmus","don","don ovan","dean","dane","dain","dwain","dwight","earp" ,"edward","ed","edgar","flynn","murphy","quayle"," stove","blitter")
    b=("son","","","sen","","","mc","","","bridge","", "","water","","","house","","")
    zz=1
    while zz != 100:
            c=random.choice(a)
            d=random.choice(a)
            e=random.choice(b)
            zz=zz+1
            print c+" "+d+e

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  74. Re:Weeeeeeee! by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

    Actually, they're about to release version 8.10, which finally adds the BitTorrent capability to a final version.

    Right now, I'm running a duct-taped 8.02TP1 (the original BitTorrent version, it's alpha-grade code) and 8.02 Final install, although the duct-tape makes it less stable than the alpha code...

  75. Re:haha! by jp10558 · · Score: 1

    95% of your setup in Opera 7.54 will automatically carry over to 8 if you install over the old one. I think you have to tick up your search.ini version # - or use Opsed..

    And you have to decide what to do with the new stuff like the "start" bar.

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  76. Because.... by d3bruts1d · · Score: 1

    Some people don't see the $39.00 USD price for Opera as an issue. I'm one of those people. ;)

    I can't even count how many times I've spent $40-$50 on a game, only to not play it or only play it for a few weeks. With Opera, I've gotten something that I use daily at home as well as at work.

    Even if Opera was 100% free 100% all of the time, I'd still send in donations. I just think it is that good.

  77. Re:Opera isn't free by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

    Hmm... Opera uses QT on Linux, whereas it uses MFC on Windows. That could explain the speed differences...

    As for the forum page things, I think Opera's got a weakness when it comes to table rendering speed... I've seen it a LOT when rendering forums...

  78. Use which ever one you want... by d3bruts1d · · Score: 1

    I use Opera because it works for me. I tried it, I liked it, now I use it. The only person that can tell you why you should use it is you. :P

  79. Re:Opera isn't free by jp10558 · · Score: 1

    For those of you who dislike Opera's interface, you are aware that it is far from set in stone, right?

    When the servers come back, go to my.opera.com/customize and look at the custom toolbar and skin setups.

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  80. Still No NTLM Support by ThatDamnMurphyGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Unfortunately for me and others, Opera still lacks one critical thing: NTLM authentication to MS Proxy/ISA servers. Firefox works. IE works. Yet Opera still manages to write of NTLM compatbility just because 'it's an ensecure protocol from MS'.

    I merrily downloaded and registered my free version only to find out it's absolutely worthless at work not only for web access, but the access developmental pages/servers that do ntlm/windows integrated security.

    I'll stick with Firefox thanks.

    1. Re:Still No NTLM Support by plenTpak · · Score: 2, Informative

      I had to use Firefox for a while for the same reason, but I found out that my work proxy is configured to use MS Proxy Client. You might be able to get it working to by going to the mspclnt share dir on your work's proxy server. (In Windows Explorer: \\proxyservername\mspclnt )

      This allows most of your applications to connect to the internet without needing to manually set each of their proxy settings.

    2. Re:Still No NTLM Support by ThatDamnMurphyGuy · · Score: 1

      That's an option, although I don't consider it a nice one. It completely changes the dynamics of actually using a proxy server and it sometimes plays hell with your local machines ip/dns/resolves. It works most of the time. It's the "most
        part I'm not fond of.

    3. Re:Still No NTLM Support by mrtom852 · · Score: 1

      I couldn't get FF to use my proxy at work either so now use ntlmaps. It's a python script that runs on a local port.

      It's handy for other apps that don't support dumb protocols too and totally necessary when I'm in my favourite OS.

    4. Re:Still No NTLM Support by kayen_telva · · Score: 1

      why the fsck is this flamebait ?

  81. Alternative Browser by bunratty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's nice to have another browser to use when a website you want to visit doesn't work in your browser of choice. Many sites that don't work in Mozilla do work in Opera, and vice versa.

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  82. *Thinks back to the 1.44mb days* by CCelebornn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I used to LOVE Opera. Was back when I was using Windows 95 I think; after installing IE4 (thus active desktop), the whole operating system became awefully unstable, but especially when using IE itself.

    I'd tried Netscape Navigator; but I never liked that... was slow, displayed things poorly and so just sat on my computer. It was a computer magazine actually that showed me Opera; with its claim of its install being able to fit on a single floppy! Wow, how did they manage that!

    So installed it, and loved it. On my paltry 32 megs of RAM, on an unstable Windows 95; Opera was fast, stable, and displayed websites how I liked them. Perfect! But then I got more memory, Windows 98 came out and was more stable; Opera started becoming bloated for my likeing (so many features I would never ever use yet sit there taking up UI space) and so I went back to IE. Netscape at this stage? A joke.

    And now of course I'm on Firefox; fast, customisable and easy to use, even managed to get my ex to use it. Its not without its faults, but its the best there is for now. One thing though; this free registration offer will have done what its set out to do; I will definitely give Opera another try

    1. Re:*Thinks back to the 1.44mb days* by evil-osm · · Score: 1

      with its claim of its install being able to fit on a single floppy! Wow, how did they manage that!
       
      QNX had a whole bootable OS with browser, and networking capability along with a few apps and drivers all on a floppy.

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    2. Re:*Thinks back to the 1.44mb days* by Kelson · · Score: 1

      Now's a good time. Opera's fixed all the clutter (which actually scared me off back in the 4.0 days as well, though I went to Mozilla instead of IE). I've got Opera and Firefox running with the same toolbars open, and they take up the same amount of space.

    3. Re:*Thinks back to the 1.44mb days* by Elderdragon · · Score: 1

      Hmm remembering...Ibm ps2 386sx 8 megs ram 40 meg hd and opera on a 14400 dailup, boy was it fast. (chuckle) Opera is still here on my current linux box (now with a code) Happy Birthday opera ...It was youre crew who introduced me to linux...and I haint gone back to windows :P

    4. Re:*Thinks back to the 1.44mb days* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as UI bloat goes, Opera 8 is a lot nicer in this respect. You can add or remove anything from the toolbars and even remove most of the toolbars themselves. My window consists of a row of tabs along the bottom and a small bar across the top with the address and navigation buttons. Simple as can be.

  83. Solaris X86 Version? by DAldredge · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know if they will be coming out with a Solaris X86 version? The only Solaris version I can see if for SPARC.

  84. Well... by Tezprice · · Score: 1
    I'm a happy user of Firefox and have been for some time. I remember downloading a version of Opera a few years ago maybe 2000 and I wasnt impressed, I ended up cracking it and using it for a couple of weeks till I got tired of it's poor rendering and left it for dead. Well now here we are in 2005 and the promise of a free reg code has got me to download it once again and give it a try.... who knows maybe i'll switch away from Firefox.

    Oh wait, the download link is down, maybe i'll try again in 2010, or then again maybe not.

    Note to Opera staff, if you can't keep your own website up properly, i'm not going to trust your browser to show the other 9billion.

    1. Re:Well... by kayen_telva · · Score: 1

      uh.. there are multiple mirrors you lazy fscking troll

  85. Happy Birthday Opera! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad to see that you are still around...and iCab, they're still around too. Here's to those who are still around.

    AC

  86. "Posing" by Poromenos1 · · Score: 1

    I don't know if you included the [sic] for "posing" or for "thank", but posing a question is quite correct (unlike "beg", when you mean raise).

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  87. Download? by elieserleao · · Score: 1

    The site is down... "Proxy error" Why download?? May be they want we make our Opera browser. Anyone??

  88. Re:Opera isn't free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Holy shit FF is almost a whole megabyte bigger! Right now Firefox is using 69MB of RAM on my pc and you know what? I could care less since I have 955MB more and an assload of swap space to spare.

  89. No Pocketpc code by dindi · · Score: 1

    Hmm... i know i am a cheap bastard, but was kinda hoping for a free mobile edition reg-key for my old ipaq pocketpc :(

    1. Re:No Pocketpc code by Gogeta_ · · Score: 1

      Yeah me too! I've been hearing all this talk about Opera Mini and whatnot and I wanted to see if it was any good on my MPx220.

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    2. Re:No Pocketpc code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw Opera Mini reviewed on the Norwegian language site Amobile and the review was positive.

    3. Re:No Pocketpc code by siliconjunkie · · Score: 1

      Opera Mini: HERE

      You will need a Java Midlet Manager for PPC. I used the WebSphere Everyplace Micro Environment, which worked very well for me. You can get it HERE. After going to that page, you will need to set up an account with IBM. On the download page, you will need to get "WebSphere Everyplace Micro Environment 5.7.2 - MIDP 2.0 for Windows Mobile 2003 2nd Edition" (this works for Win Mobile 2003 1st edition as well, you should *NOT* grab the "Windows CE4.2/XScale" version as it does not include the .CABs you need, and does not run MIDlets properly).

      Despite being Java-based, Opera Mini performs MUCH faster than Pocket IE and Minimo on my iPaq 5550 and also has a VERY cool method for scaling pages. Even Slashdot is usable at 240x320 using Opera Mini.

    4. Re:No Pocketpc code by dindi · · Score: 1

      hmm I just DL-ed and installed it on my 3850 ipaq ... it seems to kick ass :)

      thanks ...

      now if I understand that is a midlet file, e.g. even my nokia 6230 could run it ?

      hmm too bad I have my bluetooth dongle at home plugged into my laptop .... the nokia manager desparately tries to install it on my phone ...

      cheers .d

  90. I just know how to use a computer. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    But how many people really know how to use their computer? Many either use their's for gaming or browsing and even then don't know how to setup their computer, OS, or browser for security.

    Since September 30th., 1997 I've been using IE. Never any viruses, no spyware

    I was using Netscape before then, and before Netscape I used, was it Lynx or another text browser. As for virii, I've never had a problem with a virus though ocassionally Norton Antivirus says it found a virus. Spyware? I don't download and install much software, I just downloaded Opera, other software I downloaded and installed are the Firebird database, Adobe Acrobat Reader as well as other borswer plugins, Java JRE, JBuilder, Macromedia Extensions, ZoneAlarm, and Textpad.

    As far as IE 7, don't you have to Windows XP to install it? Or is that the next IE upgrade? As it is now I'm still using Windows ME but plan on getting Windows 2000 which is the last MS OS I plan to get unless MS gets rid of Activation. For my next computer I'm getting a Mac Powerbook, and when I do I'll get Virtual PC with Windows 2000 then.

    Falcon
  91. Easy Effects. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Welcome to the wide world of Cause and Effect.

    Cause: Repeatedly obtaining free registration codes.

    Effect: ???

    Cause: Repeatedly throwing candy bar wrappers and empty beer cans into the median.

    Effect: ???

    Cause: Flushing used oil, and antifreeze down the street drain.

    Effect: ???

    Cause: Wide and repeated illegal copyright violations.

    Effect: ???

    1. Re:Easy Effects. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      you forgot

      3. Profit!

  92. IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by billstewart · · Score: 2, Insightful
    When Microsoft charges money for software or features, everybody bitches because they're a greedy monopoly. But when MS includes features for free, everybody bitches and sues them, because they're evil greedy monopolists trying to undercut their competition.

    The Eurocrats recently forced them to release a version with no media player on it, which everybody viewed as silly and ignored. But earlier, when they gave away IE for free, Netscape got the Feds to investigate them, because MS was greedily interfering with Netscape's business model of giving away browsers for free...

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    1. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      But when MS includes features for free, everybody bitches and sues them, because they're evil greedy monopolists trying to undercut their competition.

      Certainly for me, the problem with MS giving away stuff for free to undercut the competition is that they end up bundling it with Windows. At least if people ahve to go out and download something the competition have a chance, but when it's already there as standard, who's going to bother? (Note: this would be less of a problem if MS bundled the competition's software with Windows as well... kinda like most Linux distributors do infact).

    2. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by delus10n0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This never made sense to me-- Apple is doing the same thing, yet it's ok? I mean, iTunes, Garage Band, iPhoto, iMovie, etc..

      People who purchase Windows expect certain features in a modern OS, such as web browsing, video editing, photo manipulation, multimedia playback, etc.-- why is it wrong for Microsoft to include these features in an OS _they_ made and sold?

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    3. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by moonbender · · Score: 1

      What's so difficult to understand? Microsoft has a market dominating position, Apple doesn't. Special rules apply.

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    4. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by delus10n0 · · Score: 1

      Might want to re-think that; Apple doesn't have a dominating postion in Apple computers?

      Even if what you said was true-- who cares? If Microsoft wants to _sell_ the customer these things in their OS, why should the government/etc. be able to stop them? It seems like people want a PC that comes with functionality "out of the box". They don't care that FireFox is free, or that Picasa is out there for photos, etc... they just want the damn thing to work. Is that Microsoft's fault?

      I'm all for "alternative"/free software, but that's the beauty of it.. end-users don't have to use the Microsoft applications, they can use anything they want on the OS. Antitrust/"Micro$oft" zealots seem to forget that (and play a blind eye to Apple's activities.)

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    5. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by spisska · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People who purchase Windows expect certain features in a modern OS, such as web browsing, video editing, photo manipulation, multimedia playback, etc.-- why is it wrong for Microsoft to include these features in an OS _they_ made and sold?

      First off, MS is a convicted monopolist; Apple is not. This means that Apple has a whole lot more flexibility in what software they can bundle -- since Apple doesn't own 19 of 20 desktops, nobody can claim that shipping OS X with iMovie is blocking out competitors (particularly since pro-quality video editing suites sell rather well on the Mac platform).

      It isn't illegal to be a monopoly per se. If everyone in the market decides your product is the best, then more power to you. What is most certainly illegal, however, is using a dominant position in one market (such as, oh say operating systems) to leverage a dominant position in other markets (like, oh say media players and web browsers). Laws on this matter are clear, and MS has had more than a fair trial in both the US and EU and was convicted each time. Unfortunately, the punishment in the US amounted to MS being sent to bed without supper for a night a few years ago.

      See, Microsoft isn't bothered with creating a superior media player or browser. They'd rather just subvert existing standards to run only on their software (eg (among many) .asf, .wmv, dhtml, etc, etc). This isn't illegal because MS makes the OS and WMP, but because MS uses their OS dominance to ensure that everyone uses WMP instead of any other media app, and that providers create content that is compatible with (and only with) WMP. It didn't work with html, and it's not going to work with media, but that doesn't mean that they won't try.

      Second, of the things you mention, only web browsing and media playback come bundled with MS Windows. There is no included video editing and no included photo manipulation -- at least nothing capable of doing anything serious.

      Anyone buying MS Windows and expecting to be able to edit photos and home videos out of the box is going to be sorely dissapointed. The fact that these come standard with other operating systems only proves the point that people who "expect certain features in a modern OS" would be better off with a truly modern OS like OS X or GNU/Linux

    6. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by dryeo · · Score: 1

      People who purchase Windows expect certain features in a modern OS, such as web browsing, video editing, photo manipulation, multimedia playback, etc.-- why is it wrong for Microsoft to include these features in an OS _they_ made and sold?

      Nothing wrong with adding certain features in the OS they sell. The problem is that they don't publish the specs. I don't use Windows and continuesly come across content which I can not display, play, or even read.
      If they want to be the standard then they should publish their standards instead of makeing it so I can't do anything without purchasing Windows.
      They want to include a browser, then follow the standards or publish their changes.
      They want to bundle a media player, then use standard file types or/and publish the specs on WMF so others can write their own media player.
      Why should I have to use what to me is a substandard OS just to view web pages? Or hear content?

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    7. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      The Eurocrats recently forced them to release a version with no media player on it, which everybody viewed as silly and ignored.

      There's nothing silly about this. The reason this was done was demonstrated by a recent story (covered yesterday Libraries Use DRM to Expire Audiobooks). Libraries provide a service to download audiobooks, time limited use. Only problem is that it uses DRM for Windows Media. It forces everyone who wants to use such media to use Windows, and gives Bill a cut from every track you listen to. Eventually this will compel every media player to licence WMP code from MS, even Apple will have to give in.

    8. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by Hes+Nikke · · Score: 1

      This never made sense to me-- Apple is doing the same thing, yet it's ok? I mean, iTunes, Garage Band, iPhoto, iMovie, etc..

      it's not the same thing - apple bundles all the above apps with there COMPUTERS (what's to stop sony from doing the same with adobe products?) whereas iTunes is the only one bundled with the OS, and is available as a free, (almost) first class app for windows. (yes, windows media player is available of OS X, but it isn't even close to steerage class!)

      Safari (a product you didn't mention) is a reactionary move to get a first class web browser onto the mac (firefox isn't first class, in fact iTunes for windows is closer to first class than firefox for Mac OS X) - all the other apps (some of which have a corolary app bundled into windows) are sold as a separate package.

      Wow, i feel like i just ranted and didn't get my thought across very clearly.. oh well. :P

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    9. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by delus10n0 · · Score: 0, Troll

      MS uses their OS dominance to ensure that everyone uses WMP instead of any other media app

      I was unaware that people weren't installing RealPlayer or Quicktime... also, what part of the OS "ensures" that people only use WMP? Would you rather it not have media support out of the box? Also, why does it matter that Microsoft has their own media format(s)? You're free to design your own container/codec (*cough*Matroska*cough*DiVX*cough*OGG*cough*)

      Second, of the things you mention, only web browsing and media playback come bundled with MS Windows. There is no included video editing and no included photo manipulation -- at least nothing capable of doing anything serious.

      Apparently you haven't looked at a Windows XP retail box lately.. they tout these extra features. There is a movie editing program, and you can even download it for free from Microsot's website. There is also basic photo manipulation on the left panel of Explorer when an image is selected. There's also paint, and the Plus! pack offers more multimedia stuff..

      truly modern OS like OS X or GNU/Linux

      Such arrogance. No wonder you think Microsoft is the big bad man. You don't like it? Do better! That's the beauty of capitalism and business.

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    10. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by delus10n0 · · Score: 1

      Wha?

      When IE6 came out, it was the most "standards compatable" browser of it's time! Microsoft has even worked with the W3C to build/establish standards, as has many other companies and groups (*cough*FireFox*cough*) -- does that make them evil too?

      Also, why should they be required to essentially "open source" _their_ video standard, especially since it has DRM and proprietary technoligies? Why don't you use a competing format? (QuickTime/OGG/DiVX/XViD/Real/etc.)

      Not to mention that other people _have_ written their own media players. There is VLC, ZoomPlayer, and Media Player Classic just to name a few. The API and documentation is all available on MSDN.

      Your last line.. "why should I have to use" -- that's just the thing; you don't! Go run linux, BSD, OSX, whatever the heck you want. That's the beauty of computers.

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    11. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by delus10n0 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that logic makes no sense. Let's say Microsoft put all their "extras" into the "Plus!" pack, and started to give it away for free to all people who purchase computers with Windows already installed. Would that make it alright with you then?

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    12. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by Hes+Nikke · · Score: 1

      Let's say Microsoft put all their "extras" into the "Plus!" pack, and started to give it away for free to all people who purchase computers with Windows already installed. Would that make it alright with you then?

      If microsoft was doing that, no it would not be OK with me. But if sony (going back to my example above) shipped this fabled useful "Plus!" pack with there computers, i'd be totally OK with it. Just like apple (the software company) isn't bundling iLife with the OS (unless as a promo with two different SKU's and mail in rebates) but apple (the hardware OEM) is.

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    13. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Everybody has a monopoly in the computers of their own brand. Microsoft doesn't even sell Microsoft-branded computers, it has a market dominating position on the desktop computer operating system and office software market, with their software running on computers other people sell. The two aren't exactly comparable.

      It also has been shown, if I recall correctly, that Microsoft came by this position through a number of shady and immoral means, for what that's worth. And then they used this position -- with some success -- to get the same kind of position in other markets, such as the internet browser market and more recently the media player market.

      That's the story. If you don't see anything wrong with that, so be it. Many people do. If they just wanted to include the functionality in their operating system, they could have bundled third-party software with it - like they did with the AOL login software, for instance. Didn't try to build their own client in that case, now that would have been a fun case of embrace and extend to watch.

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    14. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by delus10n0 · · Score: 1

      Your logic makes no sense, man!

      Apple (hardware) and Apple (software) are the same entity!

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    15. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by milkman_matt · · Score: 1

      This never made sense to me-- Apple is doing the same thing, yet it's ok? I mean, iTunes, Garage Band, iPhoto, iMovie, etc..

      I think it's less a problem with them bundling the apps, and more a problem of building them in as an intigral part of the system. Let's forget about GB, iPhoto, iMovie... and just concentrate on Safari and iTunes since Windows includes IE and WMP..

      Now with a mac, say you don't want safari, say it's an insecure pile of trash, what can you do about it? Drag it to the trash, and it's gone, it's no longer on the system, it's "Uninstalled" ..same goes for iTunes, then you put your replacement program in its place and you're good to go. You just don't have that luxury with Windows, IE and WMP are built into the system and can NOT be removed, and THAT, I think, is what people have a problem with.

    16. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by delus10n0 · · Score: 1

      Windows Media Player is an optional component, and can be removed via Add/Remove Programs.

      IE can be "removed" via "Set Program Access and Defaults", or by just setting another browser as your default. Yes, IE is still there, but who cares? It _is_ part of the OS, regardless of what many people think it should be. It drives a lot of "Help" screens, Outlook's reading panes, etc. -- maybe in the future we can all work on some standard API so that any browser engine can replace IE's in these uses... but I seriously doubt that will ever happen. I don't even think it needs to happen.

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    17. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by Hes+Nikke · · Score: 1

      no does yours, microsoft doesn't make windows hardware!

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    18. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by hkmwbz · · Score: 1
      Way to miss the point. What are you, a Microsoft employee/share holder?

      Microsoft is a conviced monopolist. The company has been conviced of using illegal means to expand its illegal monopoly to other markets.

      That a few people may choose to download a different media player (or browser) is besides the point.

      And it doesn't help to do better than Microsoft when it has an illegal monopoly and abuses its monopoly to kill the competition. As a Windows user, I can tell you that technically, Mac OS X is superior to Windows, but I'm simply used to the way Windows works, and since I like games I simply se no point in getting a Mac. Again, due to Microsoft's monopoly.

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    19. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by delus10n0 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Way to miss the original topic of the thread; I was responding to the bundling of applications and an OS, not Microsoft's monopoly practices.

      I'm not a Microsoft employee/share holder, but I get tired of seeing the same lame arguements against Microsoft on SlashDot all the stinkin' time. Makes you all sound like you're 14 years old or something.

      I love this gem in your post:

      As a Windows user, I can tell you that technically, Mac OS X is superior to Windows

      Wow-- so because you're a Windows user, that gives you the knowledge/authority to say that OSX is technically superior? Did I miss a memo or something? Also, why even go to those terms-- both OSes have pros/cons, but to blanketly say "OSX is better!" or "Windows is better!" is just lame.

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    20. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by hkmwbz · · Score: 1
      "Way to miss the original topic of the thread; I was responding to the bundling of applications and an OS, not Microsoft's monopoly practices."
      That's exactly the point. You were whining about how people criticize Microsoft for bundling software and thereby killing competitors. This is exactly how Microsoft has dealt with earlier threats (like Netscape): Illegal practices.
      "Wow-- so because you're a Windows user, that gives you the knowledge/authority to say that OSX is technically superior?"
      I've tried it. Spotlight beats anything Microsoft has come up with, hands down. Yes, Mac OS X has all the features Microsoft had to remove from Vista today.
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    21. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by delus10n0 · · Score: 1

      You arguement for OSX being better than Windows is _spotlight_?! You do realize that there was file/metadata searching capability on both OSX and Windows long before spotlight, right? Have you tried Google Desktop Search or MSN Desktop Search on PC?

      And just a little FYI, Vista isn't even out yet..

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    22. Re:IE, Media Player were free and everyone bitched by hkmwbz · · Score: 1
      Apparently you don't know the concept of "examples".

      And of course Vista isn't out yet. They've had to rip out all the promised goodies, and it's still ages way from release.

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  93. Chatzilla by MacDelaney · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Search for hidden "stuff" before you go al the way with someone in the chat room!

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  94. Opera and RSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have used opera for a small time, I liked a lot how it organized its features but I didn't really like their approach regarding RSS. Sure it saves each and every feed, but I'd like to receive them in a firefoxish way (get the top 10 or so of each and discard the oldest).

    In firefox I feel like i'm being given the very lastest news, in opera i feel i'm getting spammed. I know its the same content but it just makes me feel bad if I dont read each and every interesting topic I get, so I was wondering if any opera users know of a plugin or something to make it work like friefox?

  95. Where's my passport? by grikdog · · Score: 1

    Ok, went to the party, snarfed the horse doover, launched the browser, registered it (no ads)... Unh. Heavy lifting. It's just different enough from MS IE, Safari, Firefox, Camino... even iCab ... that it seems like going to another country. Fun for a slow day, I guess. I haven't deleted it yet.

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  96. Slashdot first? by minus_273 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've seen a lot of things on slashdot, but is this the first time a link to free serials has been posted on the front page?

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  97. Opera /.ed? by FireFlie · · Score: 1
    Site is back up for anyone looking to download. I would not suggest getting it from any of the american locations however because they all seem to be overloaded.

    Download finished, I'm going to go try it out!

    1. Re:Opera /.ed? by FireFlie · · Score: 1

      For anyone that has never used opera, it is worth the try (and I have only been using it for a few minutes). Download it and try working with the mouse gestures. They are unreal. There is probably an extension to do something like them with other browsers, however right out of the box this is a killer feature. I have used IE Firefox, Netscape, Lynx (still a personal favorite), safari, Camino, and now I can ad opera to that list. The gestures alone make it rock.

  98. I'm now posting using Opera by gavinroy · · Score: 1

    I've been using Firefox for quite some time now, but I decided to give oepra a go since my biggest complaint was the cost. I can't see paying for a browser without built in advertisements when I can download a very good one for free.

    This is a good marketing move on the part of Opera. I can now evaluate it without being turned off by the ads. Also now that I have a regged copy, I'll do more to make sure that my sites will render correctly in Opera.

    I don't know if this will add to Opera's bottom line, but it does open the market share up, even if a small bit.

  99. Re:Weeeeeeee! by LPetrazickis · · Score: 1

    I paid for Opera 7 a few years ago. That gave me a free upgrade to Opera 8, but only on Windows. My Linux copy had to keep its ad-banner... until now. Yay.:)

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  101. FLAMEBAIT? WHAT THE FUCK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You moderators are retarded, petty, dickless wonders of fanboyism.

    I seriously hope you get the assreaming you deserve in metamoderation.

  102. You insensitive clod! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    You aren't 100% secure in FireFox, Mozilla, or whatever you use either.

    I use Lynx, you insensitive clod! Oh wait, why do I hear sirens? Oh $#!+~~~~~

    NO CARRIER

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  104. IIS? by ph4te · · Score: 0

    I was testing out a web interface I made for an inventory I've been working on after uploading it my companies IIS server. Doesn't work in IE (nested named links pointing to a frame), works fine in FF, fine in Netscape... Opera doesn't have any support whatsoever for IIS, let alone ActiveX. Thanks for the free reg code Opera... I use your browser for porn and absolutely nothing else because so little else works.

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  105. Nested tabs, already in Opera by jetmarc · · Score: 1

    > all those pages could hide in the space it takes for just one tab until I need them.

    Opera already supports this.

    For every workspace open a "new window" instead of a "new tab". Inside of the new window, open all tabs related to a topic. In another window, open those that are related to another topic.

    Every window has a taskbar icon, and can be minimized/maximized - with all its contained tabs.

    I use this quite often when I do quick researches on something. I'm used to open multiple google results at once for quicker browsing. Once I'm satisfied, I have a lot of unread tabs left. Closing the workspace window closes all of them at once. How nice!

    1. Re:Nested tabs, already in Opera by fbjon · · Score: 2, Informative

      ..Thus it is essentially nested windowing systems, smart! Save a session, and when you open it, it goes into a new window by default.

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  106. Free Registrations? by nurb432 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Konqueror and Firefox are free all the time..

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  107. Re:Oh gee. Free registration codes. by dotdan · · Score: 1, Insightful

    For old systems, http://kmeleon.sf.net/ is your best bet. Granted, it's Windows-only, but it has a Gecko base and is insanely fast.

  108. Are the editors worth their money paid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think so. Not only do the editors posts dupes all the fricking time, but they also reject valid stories. They all should be fired.

    2005-08-30 11:32:25 Opera Keys for free (Index,Software) (rejected)

    1. Re:Are the editors worth their money paid? by coolGuyZak · · Score: 1
      2005-08-30 11:32:25 Opera Keys for free (Index,Software) (rejected)

      Coz you know we all love that 11 minute dupe.

    2. Re:Are the editors worth their money paid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you stupid or what? That submission was made fucking six hours (!) before this story got posted (time shown is CEST).

  109. If only there were a program to manage windows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there are times when you want to tile two pages so you can look at both at once. You can do this in Opera, but not in Firefox.

    I can do this in my window manager, which is the proper place for such functionality.

  110. Opera Inc is actually a good company! by mritunjai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Opera inc are actually a nice bunch of folks:

    1. Unobstrusive ads (google text ads), commercial != bad, google makes money from ads and your pizza ain't free.

    2. These people are pioneers of key browser features. Tabbed browsing, standards support, integrated mail/news/RSS/IRC/BT client, mail labels (what Gmail did later), etc etc

    3. Opera folks are in staunch opposition to software patents. Inspite of fact that they did all those features waaay before anybody else, they haven't patented anything. Their CEO said in an statement that Opera is opposed to the concept of software patents.

    Folks, the product is worth the money. They are good people(TM) and that is reason enough these days to support them.

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    1. Re:Opera Inc is actually a good company! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many times must it be said that Opera did not father tabbed browsing? "InternetWorks" was the first browser to have it, six years before Opera.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabbed_browsing

    2. Re:Opera Inc is actually a good company! by juhaz · · Score: 1

      2. These people are pioneers of key browser features. Tabbed browsing, standards support, integrated mail/news/RSS/IRC/BT client, mail labels (what Gmail did later), etc etc

      Riiiight. Here's the list of these key browser features, along with their respective REAL pioneers, or at least someone who did it before Opera.

      Tabbed browsing: InternetWorks
      standards support: Doh. Everyone, now that it's trendy? Opera wasn't the first, or even among the first.
      integrated mail/news: Netscape
      RSS: Mozilla extension
      IRC: Mozilla
      mail labels (what Gmail did later): Evolution
      BT client: maybe...

      etc etc

      Yeah, I'm sure you can invent more. Might be worth checking if they were pioneered by Opera, though, mighty embarrassing loudly "pioneering" something that was done by others years ago...

    3. Re:Opera Inc is actually a good company! by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Opera inc are actually a nice bunch of folks:

      Good for them. I can think of many companies, made-up of "a nice bunch of folks" from whom I will never purchase anything. If they were a non-profit, I might consider donating, but they aren't. They are a company, and therefore need to make something people want to buy to get money.

      2. These people are pioneers of key browser features. Tabbed browsing, standards support, integrated mail/news/RSS/IRC/BT client, mail labels (what Gmail did later), etc etc

      They didn't invent tabbed browsing, and even if they had, their implimentation of tabs is TERRIBLE, IMHO. I don't want to jump back to the last page I viewed, I want to go to the next tab to the left, like Moz. Opera later included a feature like this, but it's still not very good. Moz got it right immediately.

      You'd have to be an idiot to think that Opera, or any other company invented "standards support".

      Integrated browser/mail/news is one of the features I HATE the most.

      Inspite of fact that they did all those features waaay before anybody else, they haven't patented anything.

      It would be embarassing if they tried to patent features of their browser done elsewhere first. I would also love to see them try to patent "standards support".

      Folks, the product is worth the money.

      Not IMHO. Opera is nice and fast, and has a couple neat features not really found elsewhere. However, it's missing other features found in other browsers since before Opera came out. The Opera interface is painful for me to try and use, so even if it was free, I wouldn't use it.

      The one chance Opera had, would have been to come along and be a good browser on Unix systems, when the ONLY browser option was the ultra-crappy Netscape 4x. Back then, I would have gladly paid $20 for Opera, because the competition was so, so much worse. These days, Moz/Firefox is damn good (great interface, good extensions, and recently getting much faster than it was).

      They are good people(TM) and that is reason enough these days to support them.

      That would make for some great advertising... "We made a product you don't want or need, but we aren't evil, so buy it!"
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    4. Re:Opera Inc is actually a good company! by hkmwbz · · Score: 1
      "Tabbed browsing: InternetWorks"
      Obscure. Opera introduced it to the "mainstream".
      "standards support: Doh. Everyone, now that it's trendy? Opera wasn't the first, or even among the first."
      Sure it was. Opera 3 added CSS support, and where were IE and Netscape then?
      "RSS: Mozilla extension"
      That didn't necessarily come before Opera's.
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    5. Re:Opera Inc is actually a good company! by juhaz · · Score: 1

      Obscure. Opera introduced it to the "mainstream".

      Good thing you have those quotes there, Opera STILL isn't mainstream and it definitely wasn't in 2000 :)
      But I'll grant you it's vastly less obscure of the two.

      Sure it was. Opera 3 added CSS support, and where were IE and Netscape then?

      Well, Gecko already existed around the time when Opera 3.5 with CSS was released, so Netscape was definitely headed towards the standards track, and back then MS still had to do something to be "good enough" to supplant Netscape, so IE4 did actually have pretty comprehensive CSS1 support slightly before Opera.

      That [RSS] didn't necessarily come before Opera's.

      From what I can see, first Opera with RSS support was 7.5 beta, apr 2004, aggreg8 and newsmonster both existed at least a year before.

  111. No need for their website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just go to wwww.keygen.us or www.cracks.am and DOWNLOAD a perfectly fine key generator!

    1. Re:No need for their website by brokenarmsgordon · · Score: 1

      That is illegal and amoral.

    2. Re:No need for their website by Jerry+Rivers · · Score: 0

      It's worse than amoral it's immoral.

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    3. Re:No need for their website by brokenarmsgordon · · Score: 1

      It has shown to be debatable. Still wrong.

  112. Opera is just less bloated by Arker · · Score: 1

    For a long time you could load Opera on a 1.44MB floppy and use it sort of like a 'live CD' for whenever you had to work on a machine that didn't have it. So yeah, the current release is bloated. It's still less bloated than the other graphical browser alternatives, though.

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    1. Re:Opera is just less bloated by hkmwbz · · Score: 1
      "For a long time you could load Opera on a 1.44MB floppy and use it sort of like a 'live CD' for whenever you had to work on a machine that didn't have it. So yeah, the current release is bloated."
      Opera back when it fit on a floppy didn't support half of what it does today. Unicode alone made Opera 50 per cent bigger or so. Not to mention full DOM and CSS support.

      So maybe you should try to inform yourself before making comments about "bloat"...

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  113. Re:haha! by jp10558 · · Score: 1

    My 2 custom buttons carried over exactly the same. Backup your profile dir just in case, and give it a shot. I've managed to keep Opera looking the same since v5, so not impossible. Or even difficult moving to 8. I recall 2 changes that were necessary for me:

    1) In preferences, general tab - uncheck show close button on each tab

    2) (Optional, depends on skin) Edit skin.ini to have no minimum tab width so tabs are dynamic still/again.

    #2 is a PITA, but all maintained skins already had that done by the maintainers. I'm unlucky enough to use the Opera 6 classic (otherwise known as Opera 5 default) skin, which the maintainer dropped around 7.11 :(

    So I have to maintain it myself by begging help in the customize Opera forum.

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  114. Re:Weeeeeeee! by meringuoid · · Score: 1
    I would be pissed as hell if I had paid for Opera yesterday or even within the last few months.

    A wise man once say: Matt 20:1-16

    If I'd paid for Opera yesterday, I would have paid a price I was comfortable with, for a product I liked, and would have been happy. The terms of somebody else's deal with Opera are no concern of mine; if they have managed to get a better deal, good luck to them, but I paid Opera a price I was happy to pay and have no cause to complain.

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  115. Re:If only there were a program to manage windows. by vcv · · Score: 1

    And what if you try to maximize one window to get more space for each? Yeah, thought so, moron.

  116. Re:If only there were a program to manage windows. by baadger · · Score: 1

    Pfft tabs... with IE I can view two webpages using my Windows Taskbar. This is the proper place for such functionality.

  117. Oh stop whinging by mporcheron · · Score: 1

    Every browser has flaws, it's just people have had longer to find IE's. Stop whining about how great FireFox is, i think you'll find that FireFox is continually having security flaws being discovered. A browser is only as good and secure as its user. You visiting dodgy hacking and virus sites you get a virus, you stick to websites where the visitor count is above 100 and you don't get virii (I believe the plural of virus to be viriii, correct me if I'm wrong). I, of all people, a deep M$ hater should stereotypically hate IE, but it works, loads quick and does the drop. Why change to a program which takes a few seconds to load.

    1. Re:Oh stop whinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (I believe the plural of virus to be viriii, correct me if I'm wrong)

      The correct spelling is viruses.

    2. Re:Oh stop whinging by Beale · · Score: 1

      Because IE's rendering engine is currently the worst out of the common browsers. It ignores several major standards, doesn't implement a whole bunch of CSS, and has a whole bunch of IE-specific 'features' which took far too long to wean a good proportion of web designers off. Not only that, but Firefox is skinnable and far more easily extensible.

  118. I would use Opera... by scoobrs · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    if only it had compatibility for the /pizza command from Everquest 2. Until they add the ability to bring up a pizza ordering screen with only 7 keystrokes, I'll stick with browsing the internet using my copy of Everquest 2, which is f'ing cool according to other slashdot users. Why would anyone ever want to use anything other than EQ2? Happy birthday Opera and thanks, but no thanks.

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  119. Re:Opera isn't free by thc69 · · Score: 1

    You've entirely missed my point. Opera, with the features all programmed in the main package, is not bloated. FF, with 93 third-party extensions stuck to it, gets to be rather bloated.

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  120. Why should they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why should Opera act like FireFox? Really. That's like buying a Mercedes and whining that it doesn't look like a Trabant.

  121. Re:Weeeeeeee! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would be pissed as hell if I had paid for Opera yesterday or even within the last few months.

    Yeah, I guess when you flip burgers for a living, $40 is a big fucking deal.

  122. Re:Weeeeeeee! by LnxAddct · · Score: 1

    Wow good response. +5 insightful. Heh I'm not big on religion, but you applied that well.
    Regards,
    Steve

  123. Re:If only there were a program to manage windows. by fbjon · · Score: 1

    Very true, but Real Men have at least 20 webpages open at any time, be they Brainfuck documentation or pr0n.

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  124. Re:Oh gee. Free registration codes. by masklinn · · Score: 1

    I know K-Meleon, I know how fast it is, and I know how featureless it is (and user friendly too, nothing like tinkering in the config files with my good ol' notepad)

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  125. Ew! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate that implementation! I'm always activating it accidentally.

  126. OS X: Ctrl-A, Ctrl-E ???? by CommandoB · · Score: 1

    I'm using Opera on OS X. I also use Opera on a Debian box. I cannot function without ctrl-a, ctrl-e, ctrl-k in the text fields of the program I'm working in. Safari allows this. Opera on Debian allows this. But Opera on OS X just ignores these commands.

    Please, oh God, if any of you know a fix, I'd give my first-born to hear it.

    I love opera, but if these commands don't work, I'm going to have to go back to Safari on the Mac...

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    1. Re:OS X: Ctrl-A, Ctrl-E ???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've tried re-mapping the key configs?

    2. Re:OS X: Ctrl-A, Ctrl-E ???? by CommandoB · · Score: 1

      You've tried re-mapping the key configs?

      I'm afraid I have (Preferences -> Advanced -> Shortcuts -> Edit...), and there are no actions in the list corresponding to "advance to line begin", "kill text after cursor", etc to which I can bind keyboard shortcuts.

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    3. Re:OS X: Ctrl-A, Ctrl-E ???? by Taladar · · Score: 1

      Did you try copying the keyboard config file from Unix to OS X? It resides in ~/.opera/keyboard but I believe you have to modify it first or copy it manually in the GUI for the file to appear. The default config doesn't have a config file there.

    4. Re:OS X: Ctrl-A, Ctrl-E ???? by CommandoB · · Score: 1

      Did you try copying the keyboard config file from Unix to OS X?

      I haven't tried copying the config file, but I have found that under
      "Preferences...->Advanced->Shortcuts->Keyboard->Ed it...->Advanced->Edit widget"
      I can add new shortcuts with names "Go to line start", "Delete to end of line", etc. to match the contents of the keyboard config file on my linux box.

      The problem, as it turns out, is that Opera actually doesn't seem to support the Ctrl key for any shortcuts on OS X!! It just ignores those keyboard events. I don't think there's any way around this, although I'd love to be proven wrong.

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  127. Fixed in 1.5 by Kelson · · Score: 1

    The alpha releases (currently code-named "Deer Park") provide an option to force "new window" links to open in the current tab or in a new tab.

  128. Not many comments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, I thought I'd add in something here just to (hopefully) revive the discussion. I'm a current Firefox user, and I plan to stay that way even after running the latest version of Opera available on their website -- using the registration code that was given out as part of the free offer.

    Why am I sticking with Firefox? Opera seems to be a great browser...a few pages didn't view properly in it that work in Firefox (e.g. the MSN Canada page, which although I'm not partial to, my parents like quite a bit). Other than that everything worked smoothly...it's fast, attractive, lightweight, and has a whole lot of options available...with shortcuts to make a lot of those things easy.

    Well, I'm sticking with Firefox for ideological reasons, as one might guess. Opera, no matter how good of a product it might be, is still a closed-source product. One must rely on the company providing the product on a number of issues; trust, support, and so on. With an open-source product like Firefox, I even have the option of continuing to support a product myself if I wish -- but in the meantime, an enthusiastic community of users is already out there, working to improve it every day. It's free in the sense of money, but also in the real ways that count to me.

    Anyone else feel this way?

  129. Here's where I disagree by Bronz · · Score: 1

    Firefox has extensions, but I find it impossible to evaluate Firefox + extenions to another browser. We are talking core functionality here. Otherwise, would I be able to say Firefox is extremely unstable because I found an extension that made it unstable? I'd hope not.

    I like sitting down with Opera, anywhere, and be reasonably assured of what features are available to me. I use firefox on 4 different machines, different OSes. That's 4 mouse gesture extensions to install. 4 adblocks. 4 of everything to maintain a constant user experience. And when the next point release comes out? I might get to do it all over again. And then I sit down at a friend's machine and do I have mouse gestures? I don't know. Can I rearrange tabs? I don't know. It is all hit and miss. Then there's the notion of the social contract violation of something like AdBlock ... but that's another discussion. Opera has everything I need built-in.

  130. Smartphone version by mimio · · Score: 1

    I was hoping that they were giving away registration codes for the Windows Smartphone version. Clearly Opera is better than IE. But 20 bucks is a bit pricey for a phone browser.

  131. source next time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    thanks for the gift! next time we want the source code.

  132. This will actually make a difference with me by Builder · · Score: 1

    The one thing that has always put me off of using Opera is that I use OS X and Linux at home. Depending on what I'm doing, I'll be using one or the other.

    Because I would have had to pay for both OSs, I never bothered with Opera. This will actually make me give it a try.

  133. Is Opera for Linux the answer to web font hell. by matgorb · · Score: 1

    I use Opera for Mac regularly, but until today I never installed it on my Linux desktop where Firefox sit confortably. While playing with Opera settings, after my free registration (thank you Opera), I realised that I could select Helvetica for the text of the GUI, however I do not have Helvetica on my system!? I then decided to try Hevetica on a web page, since Opera seems to have a font on his own, and surprinsigly, it worked, the font looks funny at big size, but it is Helvetica indeed, not a substitution like in Firefox. So I guess somehow Opera licenced a copy of Helvetica for its browser, with some others, and they can be used independantly of the system fonts (I still have to understand the funny look of it, it might come from static Qt) To my knowledge, without paying for a licence, or "stealing" from my mac, there was no way to get Helvetica based web design on Linux, without nasty substitution, but now (well before, but now for mw) there is Opera.

  134. Super Drag and Drop by Ministry+of+Cube · · Score: 1

    ...is the only thing that prevents me from using Opera over Maxthon. For the uninitiated, Super Drag and Drop is an ingenious little method of opening a linked page in a new tab. All you have to do is drag the link in any direction and it will open in a new tab. It's great for easily queueing up slashdot stories to read.

    1. Re:Super Drag and Drop by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      Well, you could just middle click. Or, there is the rightclick + drag up then down. That can of course be edited in the mouse guestures preferences.

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    2. Re:Super Drag and Drop by Ministry+of+Cube · · Score: 1

      Middleclick works nicely. It'll take some time to get used to, but I thank you for pointing that out! :D

  135. too late ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just in case you don't get there in time for a free registration, here are a few :

    http://my.opera.com/community/party/reg.dml?email= no%40mail.com

    opera 10-year online anniversary party free registration
    To register the Opera browser and remove the ad bar, follow these steps :
    1. Copy the appropriate registration code given below
    2. Go to Help > Register Opera
    3. Enter your name and organization
    4. Paste the registration code and press OK

    Operating System Registration Code
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    Linux Sparc k-TrfnA-SS8nR-MSFsA-XULtv-kPvDM
    FreeBSD f-MTEnB-LEp4Q-P74sB-VsAMv-xvWXP
    Solaris s-E4wHB-Qup4P-X3nLB-hrfNw-BiWXN
    Mac m-CHtHB-z843P-53PLB-aXTMw-dQCXN
    Windows w-CMUti-znsUx-3LJ4h-sDV4v-fEirP
    Linux Intel u-3sfMh-twAAy-hKzph-Vphpv-b3vpM
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    Windows w-TtXye-d5Nzn-haEke-5UCpH-k5kAc
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    Linux PowerPC p-Vms4c-xu3rr-hEDvd-R7KyF-4wT5a
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    Linux Intel u-byVys-RS3Tb-n5NBs-uPpRV-WVjis
    Linux PowerPC p-JKeps-h3m6b-FmrMs-5St3V-YWnts
    Linux Sparc k-NKBHr-wuQKc-LmM7r-jmVFW-6WKLr
    FreeBSD f-Yr64t-Xmwra-JzLMt-hQK3W-iDe8t
    Solaris s-6d64s-VdTrb-bSMtt-ANr4X-nte8s
    Mac m-FvJSs-CWfAb-rb4hs-MVBxV-xJ6Bs
    Windows w-eu7kE-J8k6M-AusJD-M3Msw-FUdnP
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    Linux PowerPC p-5n3DC-LPu6N-cVWpD-CVHKu-BzFmN
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    Windows w-wSsnW-LKE8H-MDUrV-RhrDu-4j67M
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    Linux PowerPC p-hF7cW-Fw8iJ-HrpAV-M3QNu-W5xiN
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    Mac m-y5WFV-i7YtH-7zD6V-mU4jv-6vCtM
    Windows w-Musji-WF54w-TXhyi-yDEnS-k6LMy
    Linux Intel u-TSECh-kbN5y-X5rxf-7kdnQ-Bhs8x
    Linux PowerPC p-CEijh-kBHrz-5m5Qf-pzAFQ-fJfMx
    Linux Sparc k-peNCf-6aeKy-XmFxh-CY5mR-kJC7w
    FreeBSD f-Ab7Ch-n7S5y-7Qfxf-s5LmQ-nVX7x
    Solaris s-sDyWh-kxVpx-THSRi-TuyHS-Bc7ty
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    Windows w-rjftT-AaheM-NxSnT-en7bb-8kD7E
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    FreeBSD f-dQVhT-jJz4K-FyjyT-7Scma-f4piH
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    Linux Intel u-RUVaH-FdDPV-YH3xJ-3FQie

  136. Re:Happy B-Day Opera! + Another Way To Get Opera F by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other words, the Opera folks are encouraging their users to spam people in order to get copies of their browser?

    Thanks, but now I think I'll just skip using it altogether.

  137. I actually like the ads by nicolasmendo · · Score: 0

    I just did the register thing, and the ads are gone. It turns out the ads are really helpful in quite a few circumstances. I just get the feeling of having another layer of information out of them. Several of my reaserches have taken interesting turns because of opera's context-sensitive ads. Now that they are gone, I miss them. Does anyone know where's the option of turning them on even now that my browser has been regsitered?

    1. Re:I actually like the ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      > Does anyone know where's the option of turning
      > them on even now that my browser has been
      > regsitered?

      Simply delete the OUsr600.dat file in the Opera directory.

  138. Amen. Backspace key SUCKS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Some (very few) keys you can change, sure, but at least 50% of them are hardcoded into the core files and basically impossible to edit meaningfully.

    This very thing kept me on Netscape Communicator for a long time. Netscape had the CORRECT keybinding for the Backspace key, which is intuitively opposite of the Space key. That is, it should page up, since Space pages down. We can all thank IE for screwing this up, by making Backspace take you back to a previous site in history (extremely annoying when you're typing in forms, only to lose everything.) Worse yet, other companies decided to copy this errant behavior.

    In some versions of Mozilla, I was able to fix this problem by creating or modifying xml files. Later versions hard coded the Backspace key, making it impossible to fix. Man, what I'd give to fix this behavior once and for all....

  139. very nice faq 2 by leckmi · · Score: 1

    very nice faq 2

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  140. My first reaction... by emplynx · · Score: 1

    when seeing this was "Oprah's got to be way older than 10!"

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  141. Maxthon by deuist · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Maxthon yet. It does all of the things that Opera does, but it has IE running in the background and can handle all of the rendering of non-standards compliant websites. With plugins I can get RSS, check the weather, upload files without having to login to websites, enable right-click, and on and on ...

    1. Re:Maxthon by hkmwbz · · Score: 1

      Maxthon has the IE engine, and is therefore as slow as insecure as the regular IE. Maxthon is just a sad excuse for a shell.

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  142. Re:Opera isn't free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used firefox's "session saver" extension, but the last time I upgraded , and went drudging around trying to upgrade all my extensions, I was unable to find an upgraded session saver extension, so I was forced to go without. Maybe by now they've upgraded it to work with the latest firefox, or someone has written a new one, but I don't care anymore. I just use Opera, it's session saving works out of the box every single time.

  143. Re:Weeeeeeee! by frekio · · Score: 1

    I paid for Opera in the last few months, but I'm not taking part of the free registration PLUS I'm not pissed because I want to support them with my money.

  144. blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Viral marketing to the highest extends. Mozilla has it all. And if you are still not satisfied, there is The SeaMonkey Project.

  145. Opera rocks! by diorcc · · Score: 1

    To all these Firefox trolls out there... try it completely first and then if you don't like it... Don't go on whining "oh, didn't even need the serial...". Yeah, we know firefox is free as in beer, but thats besides the point. I bought opera and it was hell worth it!

    1. Re:Opera rocks! by vga_init · · Score: 1
      Yeah, we know firefox is free as in beer

      Free as in freedom. Period.

  146. Re:Oh gee. Free registration codes. by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1
    Isn't it good that we all have a choice?

    I wish people could just stop endlessly arguing over the length of their... er... 1337ness of their browsers. As a Web developer, as long as it's standards-compliant (read: is not IE), I can only say "thanks!" to the guys who made it.

  147. You can have all in firefox but... by alelade · · Score: 0

    To have all features in opera, you need to add tons of pugins, after which it will turn into a really heavy application, especially since some plugins are not so well made. I could never imagine mouse gestures could make cpu load %100 for a few seconds. Opera has those features in a neat package that works like a charm. Fast, reliable and totally user friendly...

  148. Shift + Enter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Can I configure it to automatically open new tabs when I type an address in the address bar?"

    There you go. Sorry, no configuration.

    By the way, try holding shift and moving with the arrows to see something nice of it.

  149. Registration still works. I just got mine! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    What are you waiting for. Hurry while supplies last!

    (Now I am starting to sound like a spammer. LOL)

  150. Not that I didn't already know those, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do that when you can have a legitimate copy for the same price? (Free)

  151. Re:Never had a reason to use Opera HERE ARE SOME.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here are some proofs via tests & featuresets, etc./et all!

    Opera: It's THE "good stuff"!

    IMO, but also solely based on facts, for a triumvirate of VERY SOLID reasons vs. IE, &/or FireFox:

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    1.) It wins in speed, everytime, in the online tests/analysis I have seen out there for years now at numerous sites in most ALL categories run in said tests!

    E.G.-> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win speed

    (And, by the way? It uses Opera 8.0 in its result sets... that's before anyone tries the classic, narrow-Jedi-minded view of "where is the latest version's results" b.s., which I see TOO much of from non-coders/jedi/networking types. Learn to know the "dark side of the force & you achieve a power GREATER than any Jedi", i.e.? Learn to code, before you start up that often useless viewpoint here, since the latest/greatest (nearly) is covered there, except for "minor version" updates to 8.02 not being there: Close enough imo, & I do code, & have spoken with the FireFox & Opera teams before via email &/or irc chats with them AND helped them out of bugs no less (FireFox especially over @ NTCompatible.com with their homegrown, & imo, yes impressive forums board engine) no less, and the firefox folks came and spoke to us directly, emailed me also, the next day fixing the bug per my suggestion/advice, etc.).

    SUMMARY:

    "So overall, Opera seems to be the fastest browser for windows. Firefox is not faster than Internet Explorer, except for scripting, but for standards support, security and features, it is a better choice. However, it is still not as fast as Opera, and Opera also offers a high level of standards support, security and features.

    On Linux, Konqueror is the fastest for starting and viewing basic pages on KDE, but as soon as script or images are involved, or you want to use the back or forward buttons, or if you use Gnome, Opera is a faster choice, even though on KDE it will take a few seconds longer to start. Mozilla and Firefox give an overall good performance, but their script, cache handling and image-based page speed still cannot compare with Opera.

    On Mac OS X, Opera and Safari are both very fast, with Safari 2 being faster at starting and rendering CSS, but with Opera still being distinguishably faster for rendering tables, scripting and history (especially compared with the much slower Safari 1.2). Camino is fast to start, but then it joins its sisters Mozilla and Firefox further down the list. Neither Mozilla, Firefox nor IE perform very well on Mac, being generally slower than on other operating systems"

    (On the Windows Platform, in THAT test alone, it took 4 of 7 total categories... nuff said on that account! Considering 90% of the world's computers run Windows based Os' (hopefully Windows NT-based ones by now)? That's saying a HELL of a LOT!)

    Opera (as you may read for yourselves above) even did great on the OTHER platforms too!

    Now, some folks will say "But today's CPU's are so fast this does not matter" - ahem: BEG TO DIFFER, it matters! If a browser's faster & more efficient on slower CPU's ESPECIALLY (purely relative term here), it will still be faster on faster CPU's mhz or cores/h-t/smp-wise (especially if multithreaded & designed properly with non-blocking operations in multithread design used wisely). That type of statement is like trying to say "Delphi code speed being faster than MSVC++ &/or VB doesn't matter" when clearly, it does. I cite this from as far back as 1997 where in Visual Basic Programmer's Journal Oct. Issue "Inside the VB5 Compiler Engine" issue had Delphi blow away VB in every test (except ActiveX form loads which VB even beat MSVC++ in since it is optimized best for it) & even took MSVC++ to the cleaners... in every test (except graphics form paints, losing only marginally, VERY small margin). In math & strings, which EVERY program does? Delphi absolu