doubtful.. there are tons of people that use OutHouse, if OutHouse stops being made (since when to people upgrade anyway?) people will find something so they don't have to give up joeblow@isp.com.
However maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing, us geeks would still have our email servers but all the Spam would go to Hotmail:)
Use wxWindows. It uses GTK on Linux/Unix or Motif if it isn't availiable, and it uses the Win32 API on Windows. The only place it wouldn't look normal is if someone was using it in a KDE environment but most people using KDE are using Gnome apps as well and most distros use themes to make them look the same there.
Either that or build on top of Mozilla and use XUL.
Probably not. I know that Google sets a cookie, most likely they store what you clicked on in that cookie or in a session ID associated with it. It would read those cookies regardless of weither or not it was in a new tab/window/whatever.
What is probably more counter-productive would be to turn off cookies, but even then without the information, Google wouldn't get worse, I would think it would just return the same results everytime.
I'll concede that OO could be done better (and yes I do like Python) but if you don't understand refs then don't program Perl because refs are extremely useful things, how are they any harder than pointers in C?
Wouldn't that be the fault of the people who didn't bother to learn basic concepts like OO programming rather than the fault of the people who know how to use it?
OO in Perl is not hard, sure its syntax is a bit different but the concepts are the same and there are multiple books (like this one), online resources such as this, and not to mention the existance of 4 (not 1 or 2 but 4) tutorials on OO in perl that come with the documentation. If people don't expect their "schmucks in the cube farm" to be skilled in a language then its no wonder that our jobs are going to India!
Well presumably they already had linux boxes and then they spent time/money on getting PS to run under Wine and then bought the PS lisenses. What if they had spent that time and money on improving GIMP?
GIMP may have shortcomings (though I believe that most people perceive more shortcomings from its unfamilier interface) but its not like they would be trying to make a Photoshop killer out of MS Paint, really they would just need some interface improvements and the few features that GIMP doesn't have (which really their aren't many, just several go under different names)
I seem to recall hearing about running PS under WINE not that long ago. What I'm wondering is why a large company like Disney can't pressure Adobe into making a native port. Seems like their money would be in the bag if they did since lots of people have been asking for PS on Linux.
Come on Adobe, not all of us Linux people are cheap, release PS for Linux.
You and whoever modded you 'insightful' has obviously never used linux on the desktop. Sure the mainstream stuff is similar to windows to attract windows converts, IMHO things like BlackBox are lightyears ahead of windows in terms of usebility. Windows desktops do nothing but frustrate me, where as with linux I can change thing to fit my exact taste.
Except that to do it, they take scriptures out of context, twist meanings around, and don't try to look at things from historical and cultural perspectives, rather a modern set of beliefs. Then they nitpick about those rather than the underlying meanings. In fact (I've looked at the site several times) they don't even try to get at the underlying meanings.
Then they apply science to matters of faith which is something one cannot do because well its faith, faith that miricles can happen and that God can do things that are impossible. It all comes down faith. These people don't have faith in Christianity or the Bible. That's fine, but a website spreading lies about them is not the answer.
Oh yes I keep forgetting, big businesses screw people (blame the Republicans), Everyone in the middle-east hates us (blame the Republicans), politicians don't understand technology (blame the Republicans), the sky is falling BLAME THE REPUBLICANS!!!
I can't imagine what a rosy place we would live in if Gore were president and all the Republicans suddenly dropped of the face of the earth. I'm sure that not only would we stop seeing bad legislation, dumb law-suits but an end to crime and poverty and world-peace...
Good grief, its not like Enron and World-com started their underhanded accounting the minute Bush took office, or that DTV started screwing its own customers, or that Microsoft suddenly became evil all as soon as there were Republicans at the helm. Remember that the Dems are the ones that put through the DMCA and its been Dems lining up to line the coffers of Hollywood and enacting new copyright legislation.
Not that the Republicans have been any better but its both parties that are in the pockets of corporations, both parties are getting their palms greased. What's needed is a change in power completely from the old institutions. We the people need to stop putting up with it because ultimatley we elect the corporations to power by voting for corrupt representatives and by buying their useless crap.
Geez as open-minded as people on Slashdot claim to be, anytime something different comes along let the flames fly!! You don't have to like Perl, but why flame Larry for that? How many of you built a an extremely popular programing language from the ground up. I mean surely Perl must have gotten something right or growing numbers of people wouldn't have used it for the last 14? years and ported it to more platforms than I can count.
Sure Larry can be a bit eccentric but he's mildly amusing and he has some really good ideas about language design that challange the current ones. He's also willing to learn from good ideas from other languages (Creating a VM for example for multiple languages to target to).
And another thing, the whole "You can't read Perl or figure out old programs" bit is getting old. You can do that in ANY language. You can also follow some generally accepted formatting rules and your code will look just fine and be readable by any halfway experienced coder.
I use Mozilla but I think people using Netscape (such as my parents) use it because of brand recognition more than anything else. I suppose some people like the integrated IM client and built-in speller but I don't particularly care for those things.
As opposed to IE, I'm not sure why you would be asking unless you like broken CSS, crashes, security bugs, pop-ups, lack of tabs, no cookie managment, flashing ads and spyware.
We can start doing that as soon as Moz Calendar can properly install and register itself. There are still tons and tons of people who can't get it to install properly, especially on Linux, and its a bug that appears to have been ongoing for 2+ years?
The bug in question is Bug 134432 (bugzilla doesn't like direct links from Slashdot)
Sorry I don't mean to rant but I would love to try the calendar program and everytime I've installed it I run into this bug (4 times now different versions etc.)
1. Improved support for windows. The Linux version of opera is quite stable but the windows version repeatedly crashes, especially when I got to pages that have perl in them.
Perl is completely server side, it is never seen or parsed or executed by any browser, it is definitely not what causes your browser to crash. Perl programs (like PHP, or JSP, or ASP) simply create a full page of HTML dynamically and then send it to your browser.
4. improved caching. The browser could cache all links on a page regardless of whether you visit them or not. This would make surfing a lot quicker even when you are using analogue.
I would have a problem with caching all links on a page: Hypothetical: You have a girlfriend/significant other/wife. (okay so we're really hypothetical now:) ) You surf slashdot where people post porn links, links to Goatse, etc. Your browser caches that stuff, GF stumbles across cached files or uses some tool to check if you were surfing porn. You get in serious trouble even though you weren't actually surfing porn.
I didn't think it was possible for an article to get this cliche', when I first read the title I thought it would be great to send it to some of my IE using designer friends, but its so full of light side, dark side, Microsoft is evil propoganda it becomes useless.
Web browser wars are about 1. who can market the best and 2. Standards. Its not a good vs. evil thing. I don't like IE, but I don't think that it is 'evil', just incomplete.
The article talks about how we have to spread the word but tells us we can't argue point number 2, standards compliance. Sure Joe User doesn't care, but a lot of web designers do if you can give them good reasons why standards are a great thing. The article also says that its too hard for the end users to understand there are more choices besides Netscape and IE. Remember its all good vs evil, Netscape vs. Microsoft round #3.
In the end we're left with a ranting, cliche' filled article that basically says, IE sucks, tell everyone to use Netscape. Useless.
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If so, I wonder what Ximian thinks about that, as it seems to me that Connector is Ximian's primary product (and possibly source of revenue).
Well if Ximian is going to act like most for-profit companies, they should market their product and tell us why it is better. I guess with how sue happy companies have become its foriegn that one might actually try to fairly compete.:)
BTW on the password thing. Anytime it asks on a webpage, click 'Never for this site'. I mean really how often are you going to new pages that would require the extra click anyway?
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Oh I dunno ... Thunderbird?
doubtful.. there are tons of people that use OutHouse, if OutHouse stops being made (since when to people upgrade anyway?) people will find something so they don't have to give up joeblow@isp.com.
:)
However maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing, us geeks would still have our email servers but all the Spam would go to Hotmail
*not a Python bash I like it to* ... if you like Perl there's also WxPerl which is quickly becoming complete.
Use wxWindows. It uses GTK on Linux/Unix or Motif if it isn't availiable, and it uses the Win32 API on Windows. The only place it wouldn't look normal is if someone was using it in a KDE environment but most people using KDE are using Gnome apps as well and most distros use themes to make them look the same there.
Either that or build on top of Mozilla and use XUL.
Well on a per-client basis, his point about the embedded spy-ware would certainly be valid.
Probably not. I know that Google sets a cookie, most likely they store what you clicked on in that cookie or in a session ID associated with it. It would read those cookies regardless of weither or not it was in a new tab/window/whatever.
What is probably more counter-productive would be to turn off cookies, but even then without the information, Google wouldn't get worse, I would think it would just return the same results everytime.
If you're the lawyer :)
CLASS. ACTION. LAWSUIT.
I'm in Texas, Bob the Builder is everywhere (TV, toys etc.) and has been for several years. Why would you think we don't know what a builder is?
I'll concede that OO could be done better (and yes I do like Python) but if you don't understand refs then don't program Perl because refs are extremely useful things, how are they any harder than pointers in C?
Wouldn't that be the fault of the people who didn't bother to learn basic concepts like OO programming rather than the fault of the people who know how to use it?
OO in Perl is not hard, sure its syntax is a bit different but the concepts are the same and there are multiple books (like this one), online resources such as this, and not to mention the existance of 4 (not 1 or 2 but 4) tutorials on OO in perl that come with the documentation. If people don't expect their "schmucks in the cube farm" to be skilled in a language then its no wonder that our jobs are going to India!
Well presumably they already had linux boxes and then they spent time/money on getting PS to run under Wine and then bought the PS lisenses. What if they had spent that time and money on improving GIMP?
GIMP may have shortcomings (though I believe that most people perceive more shortcomings from its unfamilier interface) but its not like they would be trying to make a Photoshop killer out of MS Paint, really they would just need some interface improvements and the few features that GIMP doesn't have (which really their aren't many, just several go under different names)
I seem to recall hearing about running PS under WINE not that long ago. What I'm wondering is why a large company like Disney can't pressure Adobe into making a native port. Seems like their money would be in the bag if they did since lots of people have been asking for PS on Linux.
Come on Adobe, not all of us Linux people are cheap, release PS for Linux.
You and whoever modded you 'insightful' has obviously never used linux on the desktop. Sure the mainstream stuff is similar to windows to attract windows converts, IMHO things like BlackBox are lightyears ahead of windows in terms of usebility. Windows desktops do nothing but frustrate me, where as with linux I can change thing to fit my exact taste.
Except that to do it, they take scriptures out of context, twist meanings around, and don't try to look at things from historical and cultural perspectives, rather a modern set of beliefs. Then they nitpick about those rather than the underlying meanings. In fact (I've looked at the site several times) they don't even try to get at the underlying meanings.
Then they apply science to matters of faith which is something one cannot do because well its faith, faith that miricles can happen and that God can do things that are impossible. It all comes down faith. These people don't have faith in Christianity or the Bible. That's fine, but a website spreading lies about them is not the answer.
Oh yes I keep forgetting, big businesses screw people (blame the Republicans), Everyone in the middle-east hates us (blame the Republicans), politicians don't understand technology (blame the Republicans), the sky is falling BLAME THE REPUBLICANS!!!
...
I can't imagine what a rosy place we would live in if Gore were president and all the Republicans suddenly dropped of the face of the earth. I'm sure that not only would we stop seeing bad legislation, dumb law-suits but an end to crime and poverty and world-peace
Good grief, its not like Enron and World-com started their underhanded accounting the minute Bush took office, or that DTV started screwing its own customers, or that Microsoft suddenly became evil all as soon as there were Republicans at the helm. Remember that the Dems are the ones that put through the DMCA and its been Dems lining up to line the coffers of Hollywood and enacting new copyright legislation.
Not that the Republicans have been any better but its both parties that are in the pockets of corporations, both parties are getting their palms greased. What's needed is a change in power completely from the old institutions. We the people need to stop putting up with it because ultimatley we elect the corporations to power by voting for corrupt representatives and by buying their useless crap.
When I first saw this I thought it might having something to do with protecting us from more Reality shows ....
Maybe not.
Geez as open-minded as people on Slashdot claim to be, anytime something different comes along let the flames fly!! You don't have to like Perl, but why flame Larry for that? How many of you built a an extremely popular programing language from the ground up. I mean surely Perl must have gotten something right or growing numbers of people wouldn't have used it for the last 14? years and ported it to more platforms than I can count.
Sure Larry can be a bit eccentric but he's mildly amusing and he has some really good ideas about language design that challange the current ones. He's also willing to learn from good ideas from other languages (Creating a VM for example for multiple languages to target to).
And another thing, the whole "You can't read Perl or figure out old programs" bit is getting old. You can do that in ANY language. You can also follow some generally accepted formatting rules and your code will look just fine and be readable by any halfway experienced coder.
Rant off.
As opposed to Mozilla? Or as opposed to IE?
I use Mozilla but I think people using Netscape (such as my parents) use it because of brand recognition more than anything else. I suppose some people like the integrated IM client and built-in speller but I don't particularly care for those things.
As opposed to IE, I'm not sure why you would be asking unless you like broken CSS, crashes, security bugs, pop-ups, lack of tabs, no cookie managment, flashing ads and spyware.
We can start doing that as soon as Moz Calendar can properly install and register itself. There are still tons and tons of people who can't get it to install properly, especially on Linux, and its a bug that appears to have been ongoing for 2+ years?
The bug in question is Bug 134432 (bugzilla doesn't like direct links from Slashdot)
Sorry I don't mean to rant but I would love to try the calendar program and everytime I've installed it I run into this bug (4 times now different versions etc.)
1. Improved support for windows. The Linux version of opera is quite stable but the windows version repeatedly crashes, especially when I got to pages that have perl in them.
:) )
Perl is completely server side, it is never seen or parsed or executed by any browser, it is definitely not what causes your browser to crash. Perl programs (like PHP, or JSP, or ASP) simply create a full page of HTML dynamically and then send it to your browser.
4. improved caching. The browser could cache all links on a page regardless of whether you visit them or not. This would make surfing a lot quicker even when you are using analogue.
I would have a problem with caching all links on a page:
Hypothetical: You have a girlfriend/significant other/wife. (okay so we're really hypothetical now
You surf slashdot where people post porn links, links to Goatse, etc.
Your browser caches that stuff,
GF stumbles across cached files or uses some tool to check if you were surfing porn.
You get in serious trouble even though you weren't actually surfing porn.
I didn't think it was possible for an article to get this cliche', when I first read the title I thought it would be great to send it to some of my IE using designer friends, but its so full of light side, dark side, Microsoft is evil propoganda it becomes useless.
Web browser wars are about 1. who can market the best and 2. Standards. Its not a good vs. evil thing. I don't like IE, but I don't think that it is 'evil', just incomplete.
The article talks about how we have to spread the word but tells us we can't argue point number 2, standards compliance. Sure Joe User doesn't care, but a lot of web designers do if you can give them good reasons why standards are a great thing. The article also says that its too hard for the end users to understand there are more choices besides Netscape and IE. Remember its all good vs evil, Netscape vs. Microsoft round #3.
In the end we're left with a ranting, cliche' filled article that basically says, IE sucks, tell everyone to use Netscape. Useless.
If so, I wonder what Ximian thinks about that, as it seems to me that Connector is Ximian's primary product (and possibly source of revenue).
:)
Well if Ximian is going to act like most for-profit companies, they should market their product and tell us why it is better. I guess with how sue happy companies have become its foriegn that one might actually try to fairly compete.
WHooo I'm in the top 3%!! I'm so 1337!! Wait, what? Everyone on /. is in the top 3%? We are the top 3% ... nevermind.
Those are annoyances, not bugs.
BTW on the password thing. Anytime it asks on a webpage, click 'Never for this site'. I mean really how often are you going to new pages that would require the extra click anyway?