"In this new war, though, it seems clear that American forces will be involved in some sort of ground fighting on Afghanistan's murderous terrain, and that would mean a battle more reminiscent of Vietnam than Kuwait."
The terrain in Vietnam was not the problem... the terrain in Afghanistan was not the problem for the Russians in the 80's. People seem to forget the in 'nam the Russians were supplying the North with arms and the same in Afghanistan- we were supplying the Afghans with arms to keep the Russians out.
So the difference is that this time the Afghans don't have a super-power backing them. They can't hide in holes forever, eventually they will have to come out and face consequences for their actions. I have no doubt that a 40+ nation coalition can march into Kabul very quickly, I doubt the Taliban are going to put up much of a fight.
That said I also want to comment on Mr. bin Laden's little video conference. So he can use a camera and a satalite -- SO WHAT??? He killed 7,000 people and American's are suddenly going to be sympathetic because he showed up on TV? In case you haven't heard 90% of Americans support this action, since when did 90% of this nation agree on ANYTHING???
bin Laden is hiding in his cave scared stiff because he had no idea what he was going to bring upon himself with this attack, if he isn't then he's far stupider that I give him credit for.
If there are no absolutes then I guess we should just shrug our shoulders and and invite the terrorists to come and blow stuff up-- We certainly wouldn't be at all justified in saying that their point of view is wrong, after all they think they are justified. While we're at it why don't we just let all the murderers and rapists out of jail, they don't feel guilty for what they've done so its certainly not our place to tell them they are wrong.
That's just stupid. Some things are wrong regardless of religion, society itself has determined that killing is wrong, destruction of people's property is wrong, murder, rape, theft, and a whole host of other things are wrong.
To prove it to you think about the terrorists, are they going to be happy when we start blowing up their stuff? If it was all right to blow up ours then they should be perfectly happy about it. I somehow doubt that will happen.
I guess what it boils down to is that morals are relative until someone does something immoral to you.
As a disclaimer: The people who led the Crusades were not right in what they did.
That said I wonder why everyone seems to forget that it was the Arabs that invaded Palistine first and killed innocent Christians and Jews in the name of Islam, thus one of the main reasons for the Crusades...
I also wonder why no one can seem to forget an event that happened hundreds of years ago and that no one alive today (Muslim, Christian, or Jew) is responsible for it. Just because someone did something in the name of someone's god doesn't mean that the religion or the god advocate it. It was true in the time of the Crusdes (at least the God part, or Allah on the Islam side if you will) and its true now with this terrorist attack.
The problem with that is that in this case most sheeple don't know that another brand of ketchup, if you will, even exsists.
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What a bunch of flamebait! Even on/. where I know that most people aren't terribly religious, how the heck did this get modded up? Did you even read the post about Islam? Islam, Christian's and Jews all teach respect for human life.
So I guess everyone except religious people have freedom to believe whatever they want, or freedom of speech to say whatever they want. But people who are religious, they can't talk about things that could make the world a better place.
You don't have any idea where this world would be without religion. Religious organizations set up medical services, counceling services, all manner of help. The United Way, the Red Cross, the Salvation Army all have religion in them, and countless other organizations that don't get 24/7 media coverage, people who believe in a higher power and believe in helping without a bunch of lime-light and credit.
Brainwashing???? BRAINWASHING??? You say I'm brainwashed because I go to church once a week and pray to a higher power for guidance. You say by teaching my children (I don't have any yet but I will) that these are good things is brainwashing when millions of children acroos America sit and watch a flashing box for eight hours a day???
You don't have to believe in anything. No one is forcing you too. But I for one am quite proud of the fact that I'm weak, that I need help in life, that I have someone to turn to when everyone around me leaves. You don't have to have that but don't dare think that you can take my freedom to do so.... and on that note those terrorists who did this are fanatics who do things in the name of religion. The religion disowns them, they are trying to justify themselves while really serving their own ends, AND trying to regulate how people think or believe won't change this. Bring on the american thought police and you'll invite more terrorism.
Not to disqualify at least some of your rant but I do just have one question:
Also, doesn't anyone think its strange that the FBI happened to find the rental car with Manuals, Notes, Videos, Names and a Koran (spelling) on the back seat? Why would someone take the risk of this behind to be discovered in time to stop the hi-jacking? if they spent so long training why would they need to bring a flight manual? for last minute cramming? and why would they bring a video tape? did they have a player? As for the Koran, wouldn't they bring that with them on the plane? This all looks extremely dodgy. Anyone planning something on this scale wouldn't be so sloppy and unprofessional.
These people were going to die. I don't think they really cared if they were sloppy or not.
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Most people on/. have been really good with this tragidy but a few people need to turn off the paranoia and stop worrying about how this affects their freedom and start worrying about the people who are truely affected (like the thousands who have lost family members). There will be time later to say that Carnivore is a bad idea. The FBI is not stupid and they might find something. And as long as you aren't e-mailing people about blowing stuff up they probably don't care about you.
I don't really understand what this article is about. Yes people use email, its quite useful. We have some examples of people on University campuses who don't use it wisely... big deal.
The example of the proffesor who gets emails just before papers are due saying they aren't going to be done: So what? Can this professor not stand up in front of her class and tell her students that practice is not acceptable and will be met with a failing grade?
Blaming email for the above problems is like blaming knives and guns for killing people rather than the people who kill people. Blame this on human laziness/impatience/ignorance/stupidity but not on email. Email is a tool.
As far as people not being ready for instantanious communication... well we've been doing some form of it since smoke signals were invented, or for that matter language. I really don't see what distance has to do with it and I'm not going to give up all form of communication anytime soon.
Why dreamweaver? There are HTML editors for Linux as well. And I don't care what anyone says-- No HTML editor on any platform anywhere can substitute clean code written from scratch
Its not that $20 is a lot of money, and I'm not saying I'm not going to pay for the plugin, I'm not even saying its a bad idea. -- I'm saying that this doesn't need to be paraded around as another reason to go use Linux because Joe Luser doesn't understand what an Active X plugin is or that MS is taking non-Active X plugin's out. Joe Luser understands that he can get Quicktime etc. [insert your favorite non active X plugin here] for free on Windows. How long will it be before Apple and others release their plugins as Active X plugins?
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And that can cause problems. The website says that the plugin costs $19.95. I understand the need to compensate developers for their work but charging for a plugin that is free (as in beer) on other platforms is not going to migrate people to Linux. This will be news when there are free plugins that install right and work just as well.
Or at least the author loses abunch of credibility with a general statement like this: because becoming an Elementary teacher is the only way to graduate from college without needing to take a single science course
I must admin I thought/. was misquoting when I first read that but it is in the article. This is a very generalized statement. The school I went to and most liberal arts school I've ever heard of makes all students take basic courses which include science. My beautiful and wonderful fiance' was an Elementary Ed major, in her major she was required to take a class for teaching science to children-- all elementary ed majors were because they would probably end up teaching it. The secondary ed people were the ones who could get out of it because in middle school and high school there is more specialization.
I'd love to see a little more proof besides just an overgenralized statement. I think the reason we have scientific illiterates is the same reason why we have illiterates in any given field-- because some people play the system, know the right people or have the right parents or the athletic scholarships all of which allow them to buy their way through school.
Before I go on let me say that I'm not a creationist and I don't really care how the universe was formed. (It was and I'm here and okay with that). I just have one question: How can you claim someone is lying when we are discussing theories? Being raised in a religious environment I must say that yes some creationist's are quacks, but some of them have done good research and have good evidence to support what they believe. On the flip side some evolutionists are quacks but some also have good theories. Just because at theory is main stream doesn't mean that it has to be true (like the theory that M$ products are great... we all know about that one:)). And religion aside, if someone did prove that someone or something created the universe wouldn't that be just as important scientifically to definitive proof that there was a Big Bang[tm] or that evolution occurs? I certainly hope there is otherwise we have some pretty biased scientists running around out there.
Basically though, please back-up your claims before running around calling people liars, thanks.
Hey well maybe people will not use MSN because you'll have to download 10,000 2MB.wav files just so you can hear your name... then again maybe not and the hard drive people will again make a killing... ahhhh people are sheep:)
P.S. Before you flame the 2MB thing is a joke: although you never know with M$
Search for Broadcast 2000 on Freshmeat.net it seams to be very good at both digital video and audio. I don't know for serious apps because i've only played with it but you might consider giving it a try. There is also video capture devices that work I believe the Broadcast 2000 site tells you which ones should.
No. What kind of logic is that. Where do you think that M$ got its start? In the office of course! People will start using Linux at work and then want it for home too. As demand grows so does demand for games and MP3 players.
On a side note for the most part games and MP3 players are sub-culture of teenagers. Joe User doesn't play Quake III
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It would be great if all computers everywhere could talk to each other and work with each other without the amount of fuss we have to go through to do it today. The problem is lack of standards. If MS would use standard protocols, and commercial vendors would bother to write portable code, we wouldn't have a problem with OS dominating the world we'd have a variety of OSen that work together. Virii/worms/hackers would not be able to attack everyone because of that variety... at least not as easily.
They tend to confuse hostility with communication; they shoot (or type) before they think. They can be arrogant and posturing as well as creative and energetic. They are sometimes narcissistic: they fixate on "me" media, blocking and filtering people and ideas they don't like or agree with. Too often, they see reality only as what they (or the people on their mailing lists, blogs or p2p forums) think.
This is profound... how? When I was 15 I didn't have Internet access. I was still many of the good and bad things listed above and I can bet that 15 year olds for many decades if not centuries could be akin to this description. For once Jon is right. 15 year olds are arrogant. The reason that they are arrogant on the Internet is because they grew up with it. Oh well simple minds, simple concepts. At least Jon is dead on with this article, he's just stating the obvious:)
Now if KDE came built directly into the Kernal and you could not uninstall it and use Gnome, that would be illegal.
Not exactly. The problem is that MS is a monopoly, Thus bundling in this way is illegal because it is an abuse of their monopoly power. If KDE were to create their own distro with the GUI in the kernal where you couldn't take it out it would still be legal because they don't have a monopoly.
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Do not look for the results of this study to be reported on your local evening news in the U.S., or on the front page of any newspaper. It will not be there. Those spots are reserved for frantic stories about pedophiles, pornographers and online identity thieves.
And how do you know that? Have you read my local newspaper? Or watched my local news? I'll apologize for the flame but you are taking one research report and then generalizing all others to say its right. This isn't journalism its sensationalism at its finest.
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"In this new war, though, it seems clear that American forces will be involved in some sort of ground fighting on Afghanistan's murderous terrain, and that would mean a battle more reminiscent of Vietnam than Kuwait."
The terrain in Vietnam was not the problem... the terrain in Afghanistan was not the problem for the Russians in the 80's. People seem to forget the in 'nam the Russians were supplying the North with arms and the same in Afghanistan- we were supplying the Afghans with arms to keep the Russians out.
So the difference is that this time the Afghans don't have a super-power backing them. They can't hide in holes forever, eventually they will have to come out and face consequences for their actions. I have no doubt that a 40+ nation coalition can march into Kabul very quickly, I doubt the Taliban are going to put up much of a fight.
That said I also want to comment on Mr. bin Laden's little video conference. So he can use a camera and a satalite -- SO WHAT??? He killed 7,000 people and American's are suddenly going to be sympathetic because he showed up on TV? In case you haven't heard 90% of Americans support this action, since when did 90% of this nation agree on ANYTHING???
bin Laden is hiding in his cave scared stiff because he had no idea what he was going to bring upon himself with this attack, if he isn't then he's far stupider that I give him credit for.
That's because no one really cares about the three machines that are running it.
What an obvious troll.
If there are no absolutes then I guess we should just shrug our shoulders and and invite the terrorists to come and blow stuff up-- We certainly wouldn't be at all justified in saying that their point of view is wrong, after all they think they are justified. While we're at it why don't we just let all the murderers and rapists out of jail, they don't feel guilty for what they've done so its certainly not our place to tell them they are wrong.
That's just stupid. Some things are wrong regardless of religion, society itself has determined that killing is wrong, destruction of people's property is wrong, murder, rape, theft, and a whole host of other things are wrong .
To prove it to you think about the terrorists, are they going to be happy when we start blowing up their stuff? If it was all right to blow up ours then they should be perfectly happy about it. I somehow doubt that will happen.
I guess what it boils down to is that morals are relative until someone does something immoral to you.
As a disclaimer: The people who led the Crusades were not right in what they did.
That said I wonder why everyone seems to forget that it was the Arabs that invaded Palistine first and killed innocent Christians and Jews in the name of Islam, thus one of the main reasons for the Crusades...
I also wonder why no one can seem to forget an event that happened hundreds of years ago and that no one alive today (Muslim, Christian, or Jew) is responsible for it. Just because someone did something in the name of someone's god doesn't mean that the religion or the god advocate it. It was true in the time of the Crusdes (at least the God part, or Allah on the Islam side if you will) and its true now with this terrorist attack.
The problem with that is that in this case most sheeple don't know that another brand of ketchup, if you will, even exsists.
What a bunch of flamebait! Even on /. where I know that most people aren't terribly religious, how the heck did this get modded up? Did you even read the post about Islam? Islam, Christian's and Jews all teach respect for human life.
So I guess everyone except religious people have freedom to believe whatever they want, or freedom of speech to say whatever they want. But people who are religious, they can't talk about things that could make the world a better place.
You don't have any idea where this world would be without religion. Religious organizations set up medical services, counceling services, all manner of help. The United Way, the Red Cross, the Salvation Army all have religion in them, and countless other organizations that don't get 24/7 media coverage, people who believe in a higher power and believe in helping without a bunch of lime-light and credit.
Brainwashing???? BRAINWASHING??? You say I'm brainwashed because I go to church once a week and pray to a higher power for guidance. You say by teaching my children (I don't have any yet but I will) that these are good things is brainwashing when millions of children acroos America sit and watch a flashing box for eight hours a day???
You don't have to believe in anything. No one is forcing you too. But I for one am quite proud of the fact that I'm weak, that I need help in life, that I have someone to turn to when everyone around me leaves. You don't have to have that but don't dare think that you can take my freedom to do so.... and on that note those terrorists who did this are fanatics who do things in the name of religion. The religion disowns them, they are trying to justify themselves while really serving their own ends, AND trying to regulate how people think or believe won't change this. Bring on the american thought police and you'll invite more terrorism.
I just can't believe this garbage was modded up
These people were going to die. I don't think they really cared if they were sloppy or not.
<flamebait>Most people on /. have been really good with this tragidy but a few people need to turn off the paranoia and stop worrying about how this affects their freedom and start worrying about the people who are truely affected (like the thousands who have lost family members). There will be time later to say that Carnivore is a bad idea. The FBI is not stupid and they might find something. And as long as you aren't e-mailing people about blowing stuff up they probably don't care about you.
</flamebait>The coverage here has been incrediable. This is defenatly /. at its best. Thanks for the great job guys
This is not Your Rights Online nor is it news. Lets go back to bashing M$oft.
Rant Mode OFF.I don't really understand what this article is about. Yes people use email, its quite useful. We have some examples of people on University campuses who don't use it wisely ... big deal.
The example of the proffesor who gets emails just before papers are due saying they aren't going to be done: So what? Can this professor not stand up in front of her class and tell her students that practice is not acceptable and will be met with a failing grade?
Blaming email for the above problems is like blaming knives and guns for killing people rather than the people who kill people. Blame this on human laziness/impatience/ignorance/stupidity but not on email. Email is a tool.
As far as people not being ready for instantanious communication... well we've been doing some form of it since smoke signals were invented, or for that matter language. I really don't see what distance has to do with it and I'm not going to give up all form of communication anytime soon.
Why dreamweaver? There are HTML editors for Linux as well. And I don't care what anyone says-- No HTML editor on any platform anywhere can substitute clean code written from scratch
Its not that $20 is a lot of money, and I'm not saying I'm not going to pay for the plugin, I'm not even saying its a bad idea. -- I'm saying that this doesn't need to be paraded around as another reason to go use Linux because Joe Luser doesn't understand what an Active X plugin is or that MS is taking non-Active X plugin's out. Joe Luser understands that he can get Quicktime etc. [insert your favorite non active X plugin here] for free on Windows. How long will it be before Apple and others release their plugins as Active X plugins?
And that can cause problems. The website says that the plugin costs $19.95. I understand the need to compensate developers for their work but charging for a plugin that is free (as in beer) on other platforms is not going to migrate people to Linux. This will be news when there are free plugins that install right and work just as well.
Maintainability just sucks.
No. Programmer's who can't/won't write commented, readable code suck. Last time I checked you can make any language look like a mess.
Or at least the author loses abunch of credibility with a general statement like this: because becoming an Elementary teacher is the only way to graduate from college without needing to take a single science course
I must admin I thought /. was misquoting when I first read that but it is in the article. This is a very generalized statement. The school I went to and most liberal arts school I've ever heard of makes all students take basic courses which include science. My beautiful and wonderful fiance' was an Elementary Ed major, in her major she was required to take a class for teaching science to children-- all elementary ed majors were because they would probably end up teaching it. The secondary ed people were the ones who could get out of it because in middle school and high school there is more specialization.
I'd love to see a little more proof besides just an overgenralized statement. I think the reason we have scientific illiterates is the same reason why we have illiterates in any given field-- because some people play the system, know the right people or have the right parents or the athletic scholarships all of which allow them to buy their way through school.
I agree with you except that unfortunatly in the United States the drug companies spend more money on advertising than on research.
given the history of creationist lies
Before I go on let me say that I'm not a creationist and I don't really care how the universe was formed. (It was and I'm here and okay with that). I just have one question: How can you claim someone is lying when we are discussing theories? Being raised in a religious environment I must say that yes some creationist's are quacks, but some of them have done good research and have good evidence to support what they believe. On the flip side some evolutionists are quacks but some also have good theories. Just because at theory is main stream doesn't mean that it has to be true (like the theory that M$ products are great... we all know about that one :)). And religion aside, if someone did prove that someone or something created the universe wouldn't that be just as important scientifically to definitive proof that there was a Big Bang[tm] or that evolution occurs? I certainly hope there is otherwise we have some pretty biased scientists running around out there.
Basically though, please back-up your claims before running around calling people liars, thanks.
Hey well maybe people will not use MSN because you'll have to download 10,000 2MB .wav files just so you can hear your name... then again maybe not and the hard drive people will again make a killing ... ahhhh people are sheep :)
P.S. Before you flame the 2MB thing is a joke: although you never know with M$
Search for Broadcast 2000 on Freshmeat.net it seams to be very good at both digital video and audio. I don't know for serious apps because i've only played with it but you might consider giving it a try. There is also video capture devices that work I believe the Broadcast 2000 site tells you which ones should.
No. What kind of logic is that. Where do you think that M$ got its start? In the office of course! People will start using Linux at work and then want it for home too. As demand grows so does demand for games and MP3 players.
On a side note for the most part games and MP3 players are sub-culture of teenagers. Joe User doesn't play Quake III
It would be great if all computers everywhere could talk to each other and work with each other without the amount of fuss we have to go through to do it today. The problem is lack of standards. If MS would use standard protocols, and commercial vendors would bother to write portable code, we wouldn't have a problem with OS dominating the world we'd have a variety of OSen that work together. Virii/worms/hackers would not be able to attack everyone because of that variety... at least not as easily.
This is profound ... how? When I was 15 I didn't have Internet access. I was still many of the good and bad things listed above and I can bet that 15 year olds for many decades if not centuries could be akin to this description. For once Jon is right. 15 year olds are arrogant. The reason that they are arrogant on the Internet is because they grew up with it. Oh well simple minds, simple concepts. At least Jon is dead on with this article, he's just stating the obvious :)
Start->Settings->Control Panel? Anyone? You sound like some of the guys I work with: "Where's Word I can't find the icon on the desktop!" :)
Not exactly. The problem is that MS is a monopoly, Thus bundling in this way is illegal because it is an abuse of their monopoly power. If KDE were to create their own distro with the GUI in the kernal where you couldn't take it out it would still be legal because they don't have a monopoly.
"One World, one Web, one Program" - Microsoft promotional ad
And how do you know that? Have you read my local newspaper? Or watched my local news? I'll apologize for the flame but you are taking one research report and then generalizing all others to say its right. This isn't journalism its sensationalism at its finest.
"One World, one Web, one Program" - Microsoft promotional ad