This is unbelievable. I tried adding my support to this sensible ticket, hoping all of us would cumulatively hold some sway over the developers (there are now three times as many posts below my first post as there are above).
I tried discussing this in IRC but the biggest promise I could get was elb saying that we might get manual resizing back if people are still complaining about this in three years (I was later blocked from #pidgin). This "wontfix" position has me even more worried now.
I tried letting it rest. Clearly many people replying to this ticket are much better at articulating their opinions than me. I had made my position known and there was no point belaboring it.
So we're only making it worse by complaining? Then what should we do... NOT complain? We are in a no win situation here.
If we had kept our mouths shut, respected your so called wisdom and refrained from getting involved... would you have really said "We will bring back auto-resizing because it looks like the users are considerate enough to deserve our attention." Absolutely not, you would not even know that people hated the auto-resizing if this were the case.
Now lets say most people kept their mouth shut but maybe 10 people or so posted well thought out constructive criticism on these forums. Then you would say we are a "vocal minority." I heard those exact words used on IRC. According to Ethan Blanton, some people did request an intelligent text box that you didn't have to resize. I'm not sure how many people requested this but something tells me it wasn't a majority either. If you really require a majority vote to revert a feature you are looking at over a million users.
Ok so getting the majority of Pidgin users to voice their opinions is not realistic, so we did the next best thing. We got a good one hundred people to respond to this ticket. It may not be a million but we did our best. Now what are you telling us? That our attitudes are so ungrateful that you are losing interest in reverting the feature?
What if by some miracle, hundreds of people HAD replied to this forum but had kept their cool and discussed the matter logically for these two months without getting impatient? Then you would say what seanegan already said... that users were just repeating "the same tired old points."
So if we complain, we lose, if we don't complain, we lose. Is there any way we can bow down to you and earn enough of your respect for you to consider this tiny code change? Of course not, there is no way to convince the developers that manual resizing is better. Their vision of what Pidgin should be is non-negotiable and every response to this ticket (the kind ones and the not-so-kind ones) has only reinforced that they are the ones in charge and that there is absolutely nothing we can do.
Gaim has always been very special to me. It was only the second open source application I ever used (after Firefox) and played a huge role introducing me to the world of GNU/Linux and other free software. Perhaps I am just afraid of change, and could eventually get used to auto-resizing. But now I am going to send one of your questions back down this two way street. I am not going to be open minded about auto-resizing because YOUR attitudes have not convinced me to change my lifestyle this way.
Alas, there is no way to restore manual resizing to the main branch of the program we used to love. Sure there are probably thousands of us who would be happier with manual resizing, and sure we helped make Pidgin what it is today, but the developers don't work for us, they work for themselves. We are just a bad case of FSUES.
I would rather let the user decide what features go into a program. Naturally there are limits to this... we don't want Pidgin to be a text editor, a web browser, an newsreader and an email clien
I guess you haven't seen the golden ratio yet then:
g = 1.6180339887...
g^2 = 2.6180339887...
1/g = 0.6180339887...
The 6180339887... thing is exactly the same.
I used g to represent the golden ration here, although the correct entity is the greek letter phi. I couldn't get phi to show up correctly here.
"But this isn't about 100% uptime. It's about not having to reboot for a kernel upgrade. You should still have hot failover if you want HA, this just removes one more thing that requires a reboot."
Know any storage device that can throw 300GB of data in 3 minutes and DOESN'T cost an arm and a leg? How is it going to help you to have a device that can write 10x faster than you can read from your storage?
...even though their current product is inferior to the competition in both the desktop and server space... Good luck trying to find something superior to Exchange + Outlook.
This sounds like a good idea, except for the fact that everyone that's not computer savvy would be totally lost when they try to buy a computer and can't find one which comes with Windows.
Only you forgot that for most of those services, there are other easy ways to generate revenue, and most of them DON'T apply to music. No, I don't want to listen to advertisements while listening some good music!
Regarding the steering wheel touch screen device: I hope they at least add a function to call 911 when they detect a forehead. I bet this will be the most used feature once you get something that distracting on the steering wheel...
I know you are being sarcastic, but what most people don't know is that even if we were able to build and fly such a thing, on a crash at high speed, all passengers would still die caused of Traumatic aortic rupture, caused by the severe impact on the chest.
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"04/14/2008 06:57:17 AM changed by ConnorBehan Â
This is unbelievable. I tried adding my support to this sensible ticket, hoping all of us would cumulatively hold some sway over the developers (there are now three times as many posts below my first post as there are above).
I tried discussing this in IRC but the biggest promise I could get was elb saying that we might get manual resizing back if people are still complaining about this in three years (I was later blocked from #pidgin). This "wontfix" position has me even more worried now.
I tried letting it rest. Clearly many people replying to this ticket are much better at articulating their opinions than me. I had made my position known and there was no point belaboring it.
So we're only making it worse by complaining? Then what should we do... NOT complain? We are in a no win situation here.
If we had kept our mouths shut, respected your so called wisdom and refrained from getting involved... would you have really said "We will bring back auto-resizing because it looks like the users are considerate enough to deserve our attention." Absolutely not, you would not even know that people hated the auto-resizing if this were the case.
Now lets say most people kept their mouth shut but maybe 10 people or so posted well thought out constructive criticism on these forums. Then you would say we are a "vocal minority." I heard those exact words used on IRC. According to Ethan Blanton, some people did request an intelligent text box that you didn't have to resize. I'm not sure how many people requested this but something tells me it wasn't a majority either. If you really require a majority vote to revert a feature you are looking at over a million users.
Ok so getting the majority of Pidgin users to voice their opinions is not realistic, so we did the next best thing. We got a good one hundred people to respond to this ticket. It may not be a million but we did our best. Now what are you telling us? That our attitudes are so ungrateful that you are losing interest in reverting the feature?
What if by some miracle, hundreds of people HAD replied to this forum but had kept their cool and discussed the matter logically for these two months without getting impatient? Then you would say what seanegan already said... that users were just repeating "the same tired old points."
So if we complain, we lose, if we don't complain, we lose. Is there any way we can bow down to you and earn enough of your respect for you to consider this tiny code change? Of course not, there is no way to convince the developers that manual resizing is better. Their vision of what Pidgin should be is non-negotiable and every response to this ticket (the kind ones and the not-so-kind ones) has only reinforced that they are the ones in charge and that there is absolutely nothing we can do.
Gaim has always been very special to me. It was only the second open source application I ever used (after Firefox) and played a huge role introducing me to the world of GNU/Linux and other free software. Perhaps I am just afraid of change, and could eventually get used to auto-resizing. But now I am going to send one of your questions back down this two way street. I am not going to be open minded about auto-resizing because YOUR attitudes have not convinced me to change my lifestyle this way.
Alas, there is no way to restore manual resizing to the main branch of the program we used to love. Sure there are probably thousands of us who would be happier with manual resizing, and sure we helped make Pidgin what it is today, but the developers don't work for us, they work for themselves. We are just a bad case of FSUES.
I would rather let the user decide what features go into a program. Naturally there are limits to this... we don't want Pidgin to be a text editor, a web browser, an newsreader and an email clien
IANAL but god dammit I would rather fly. Specially super-man style!
fsck!
Yes, but if you do pi^2 or 1/pi, you don't get the same sequence after the unit. That's why the golden ratio is so amazing.
I guess you haven't seen the golden ratio yet then:
g = 1.6180339887...
g^2 = 2.6180339887...
1/g = 0.6180339887...
The 6180339887... thing is exactly the same.
I used g to represent the golden ration here, although the correct entity is the greek letter phi. I couldn't get phi to show up correctly here.
Meh, way to miss what he just said:
"But this isn't about 100% uptime. It's about not having to reboot for a kernel upgrade. You should still have hot failover if you want HA, this just removes one more thing that requires a reboot."
Know any storage device that can throw 300GB of data in 3 minutes and DOESN'T cost an arm and a leg? How is it going to help you to have a device that can write 10x faster than you can read from your storage?
Yeah, I mean, which company is going to survive having only the government as a customer...
Theoretically unlimited.
Like, for example, the number of comments on this article is THEORETICALLY unlimited.
Oh, I though you meant this guy. He got a good mileage by metabolizing "that" fuel...
17.5 / 2 = 8.75
You sir, get a 0 on math.
You like being called an Engineer eh?
...even though their current product is inferior to the competition in both the desktop and server space... Good luck trying to find something superior to Exchange + Outlook.This sounds like a good idea, except for the fact that everyone that's not computer savvy would be totally lost when they try to buy a computer and can't find one which comes with Windows.
Stop using online for the bank and try using the bank name...
The sad part is that one of the biggest Microsoft/IT related technology news in Brazil just fell for it...
And they call themselves Microsoft MVP!
And no, it is not April 1st in Brazil yet...
"Invalid query: Table 'jester5_emptyjokeclusters' is marked as crashed and should be repaired"
God it really works! I found this one to be very funny! LOL
Only you forgot that for most of those services, there are other easy ways to generate revenue, and most of them DON'T apply to music. No, I don't want to listen to advertisements while listening some good music!
Regarding the steering wheel touch screen device: I hope they at least add a function to call 911 when they detect a forehead. I bet this will be the most used feature once you get something that distracting on the steering wheel...
*smiles and nods*
It's worse than that: These are the "Vista Capable Logo" numbers.
http://xkcd.com/285/
Guess what! That's already available! But it costs more since it's all organized.
I guess there's no way to please you guys huh?
I know you are being sarcastic, but what most people don't know is that even if we were able to build and fly such a thing, on a crash at high speed, all passengers would still die caused of Traumatic aortic rupture, caused by the severe impact on the chest.
Because 1bi/month is not enough...