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A Step Towards Proving the Riemann Hypothesis
arbitraryaardvark writes "A new mathematical object has been discovered by Bristol University student Ce Bian. The Riemann hypothesis, unproven since 1859, has to do with the distribution of primes and something called L-functions. Bian has demonstrated the first known third-degree transcendental L-function. This apparently opens up a new way to go about looking for proofs of the Riemann hypothesis. There is an unclaimed $1 million prize for a valid proof. We've discussed a couple of earlier attempts to claim the prize."
Reimann botnets infiltrating hundreds of thousands of computers to work on the solution. Unfortunately, Comcast finds out and starts throttling their internet bandwidth. Math is set back 100 years.
Regardless of the money,
Ce Bian and Andrew Booker (and their computer) should at least win SOME prize and may need to practice their Sweedish.....
- Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, minutus carborata descendum pantorum.
Non-trivial zeroes of the zeta function are 1/2 because they naturally form as wholes, but as we all know a grue can't resist the tasty flesh of a non-trivial zero. I posit that the only way to prove the hypothesis is to kill a grue and vivisect it to search for the other half of the non-trivial zero. So until someone is brave enough to fight a grue and extract the flesh of the non-trivial zero, that million dollars is going unclaimed.
I got a catholic block.
If all the theorems/lemmas/etc used in the ultimate proof were each given an even share of the $1M, and we followed things back recursively, how much money would each person get.
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Cue the creepy, hushed voice-over:
In a University in Lower Saxony, a mathematician had formulated a remarkable conjecture. Its effects would be felt worldwide.
The Riemann Hypothesis, by Robert Ludlum. Now in paperback.
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(just smile and nod, smile and nod. they'll never know you have no idea what this means)
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. indymedia
Actually, the Riemann hypothesis is pretty important, given that a proof of it would tell us about the distribution of prime numbers, and prime numbers are the wheels which keep e-commerce turning (RSA anyone?) Also, concerning scientific results which sound like Robert Ludlum novels, my own personal favourite is the Born Approximation - the least popular in the Bourne series.
xterm -n 8
Not to be confused with the Hymen Riepothesis.
Uh oh... Uh oh fart.
Did you fart, Ray? Did you fucking fart?
Booker and Ce Bian constructed certain degree 3 L-functions, but it is best to think of their discovery as follows: there is a complicated 5-dimensional membrane known to mathematicians as "SL(3,Z)\SL(3,R)/SO(3)". This membrane has subtle number-theoretic symmetries, so that its modes of vibration encode number-theoretic information. These modes (and their vibrational frequencies) are being extensively studied, but they are very transcendental objects so they cannot be written down explicitely and must be computed numerically. While certain modes (and frequencies) were already known numerically (they can be constructed from vibrational modes of the 2-dimensional membrane "SL(2,Z)\SL(2,R)/SO(2)" via something known as the Gelbart-Jacuqet lift) we now have the the first numerical computation of "native" modes of the 5-dimensional membrane -- those that aren't related to lower-dimensional cases. To each such mode of vibration there is an associated "L-function (similar to the Riemann zeta function), and it is the L-functions that were constructed. In fact, verifying that the approximate L-functions that were found correspond to actual modes of vibration is not easy (in the 2-dimensional case there is important work of Booker with others about this).
In short, this is an important advance in automorphic forms, but it is so technical that it doesn't belong on SlashDot.
It is important to realize that while indeed there is a ("Generalized") Riemann Hypothesis associated to these L-functions, numerically computing them represents zero progress toward proving the Riemann hypothesis for these L-functions or the original Hypothesis for the Riemann zeta function. At most this will allow very approximately computing some of their zeros and thus a weak check on the GRH for these L-functions.
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The popular T.V. Show NUMB3RS had an episode ("Prime Suspect") in which criminals kidnapped a child and demanded as ransom a possible proof of the Riemann Hypothesis from a mathematician. The proof would be used to steal interest rates from an encrypted website.
Fascinating!
Ce Bian and Andrew Booker (and their computer) should at least win SOME prize and may need to practice their Sweedish.....
They might win some prize, but certainly not one that would involve any Swedish.
There is no Nobel prize for mathematics. The Fields medal is the closest equivalent.
There's always some way to simplify these problems. In the future they will have weeks of lecture on the solution and then at the end tell you that all you have to do is assume the inputs are periodic with no noise and then all you have to do is take the limit to infinity and it becomes a constant. Duh.
Good Will Hunting when you need him? He'd have figured this out overnight.
Actually, what the RH tells us about the distribution of prime numbers is be pretty useless regarding RSA. To get anywhere you need the Extended Riemann Hypothesis (covering Dirichlet L-functions) and even the full force of the "Generalized Riemann Hypothesis" (covering all automorphic L-functions) is not known to help with the really important problem here -- factoring.
The odds of making money solving math problems are much worse than the odds of winning at a casino. Best to spend your time getting laid.
If they'd have left it alone in 1858 we wouldn't be having this trouble. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
There is no Nobel Prize for mathematics. There is the Fields Medal, but it has nothing to do with Sweden.
Did this actually bring Ce Bian any closer to finally getting laid?
Interesting work on L-functions, but this has nothing to do with the Riemann Hypothesis.
Doesn't belong on Slashdot at all.
Riemann zeta function is the "mother of all L-functions".
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zeta(s)=sum(n=1, inf)(1*n^-s)
Dirichle L-function is defined as
L(f, s)=sum(n=1, inf)(f(n)*n^-s)
so when f(n)=1, Dirichle L-function becomes Riemann zeta function.
L-function is just another representation (called Euler product) of Dirichle L-function.
L(f, s)=prod(prime p=1, inf) P(p, s)
where
P(p,s)= 1 + f(p)p^-s + f(p^2)p^-2s +
The Euler product I figured must work similar to the usual prime number decomposition: you got the sum of 1's and you got a product of primes.
That is how far I got.
Now what the heck are degrees of those L-functions?
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Of course, as a scientist I do. But won't it also slaughter internet based commerce?
Who read his name as Sybian?
A proof of the Riemann Hypothesis itself won't have any effect on the security of encryption (if it did, you could compromise the encryption by just assuming the hypothesis is true and your exploit would work in nearly all cases). The only concern is if the process of developing the proof leads to an insight about the nature of prime numbers that weakens encryption in some other manner, but this wouldn't be the result of the Riemann Hypothesis itself.
What's all this about vibrating membranes? I thought this was supposed to be about math!
Heh, I guess that gaming the class is a good way of passing game theory classes, because I did that, too.
:-)
Except that I turned math problems into essay questions about how I had no earthly clue how to solve the actual problems all too often, but I said that I was sure I was supposed to use [techniques used in class] to get an answer that should be something like [results discussed in class] and got a lot of partial credit (well, enough to pass) for remembering theories I had serious trouble actually applying to those damn matrices
Then again, intuition can be useful in mathematics. In a previous linear algebra class, my professor put a question on the test that they had forgotten to have us study in class and I managed the only 100% score. For reasons I still don't understand, when asked for the dimension of a matrix (without yet knowing what that was), I correctly assumed it had something to do with the number of linearly independent equations in the matrix, reduced it and got the right answer (two). Everyone else just wrote down something like "4x4" because it was a 4x4 matrix...
...before 1859, when cars were pulled by horses and the Riemann hypothesis was still not unproven. Those were they days, I tell you, those they were.
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Submitter here. Right after hitting submit, I realized I'd forgotten to link to marginal revolutions, an economics blog that pointed me to the story.
http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2008/03/assorted-link-4.html
http://www.marginalrevolution.com/
infiltrating hundreds of thousands of computers to work on the solution
The solution isn't to be found through massive computing effort. They are looking for a proof, not a computation. They need creativity, not horsepower.
This article is related to Sage ( http://www.sagemath.org/ ), a free open-source math project. The article is about a computation (not using Sage) of an L-function, a computation about that L-function (using Sage), and a major new NSF-funded initiative to compute large tables of modular forms and L-functions that William Stein (director of the Sage project) is co-directing, which will have a large impact on Sage development.
Yes. Only in the US would there be an attempt to legislate that PI = 3.2
... the rest of the world isn't that much better either.
Mind you
By definition, 50% of the world's population has an IQ of less than 100.
So how long till we can use this to calculate the exact mass of a higgs boson particle?
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
I did not understand even one bit from the problem description, so I would like to approach this from another perspective: is there any practical benefits in proving the Riemann Hypothesis?
Did it come before or after the Bourne Ultimatum?