"The year of Linux arrives the year Adobe ports their software to Linux."
We hear that all the time but i don't believe there's any truth in that statement. I tried to switch MS office users to OO, and allthough it worked they all demanded to have MS office back. Even though a newer version came out and the company had to pay big dollars for the upgrades, the management said. So what, even i tried OO , but everything is soooo much different (meaning, language (dutch) was a bit inconsistent in comparison to MSoffice and some functions where in a different location).
Now i even understand why one of the highest management guy's over there didn't want to switch. He was kind of an Excel guru and used about every function in Excel, and had 5 years of data in Excel documents. Not all of them converted the right way(tm).
But other users used Excel only as a calculator , or add adresses to a name, and MS Word for birthday cards. And even they complained and bluntly refused to use OO. Management agreed with them offcourse.
So it isn't just Adobe's products, it's the whole mindset of people. Not to mention Desktop in the office where custom software has to run. Try bookkeeping on linux. The company who makes that software (biggest in the netherlands, the only one that has all the functionality we need) bluntly refuses to make a windows version. In the newest version they even require a Microsoft SQL server, wheras previous versions would run happily of a samba server.
Telebanking software. Banks refuse to make Linux clients. Tax software, no linux clients. Salary payment accounting software, No linux client, almost the same story as the bookkeeping i mentioned. Various government programs (automaticly transfer data about sick days, salaries, free time , vacation, days off etc) to all the various government departments, all Windows only.
We don't use adobe products. Only PDF readers and they are a dime a dozen.
1. Receive experimental funding from governmnent 2. Pay off NASA with the money you got for free anyway to gain some publicity. 3. Show people: ? 4. Collect more investment, experimental funding from whoever is now interrested.
Sure you are forgetting that in 2005 i had to have surgery to play games with mind controls,now i put on a helmet, quite a different approach won't you say?
Once you figure out the settings it's easy. My desktop has a AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3400+ and a 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R350 [Radeon 9800 Pro] 2.5 Gb of ram, X 7.1.1, ubuntu edgy eft and runs Linux main 2.6.17-10-generic kernel without any problems. With beryl.
I don't have a wireless nic in this one, so it seems that the ati drivers and the bcm43xx bite eachother in the ass...
On my laptop a compaq r4000 with a bcm43xx pcmcia network controller and ubuntu 6.10, xorg 7.1, beryl, and a ati 200M XPRESS controller it was a nightmare to get it all working together. Either my nic would fail, graphics would fail, x would fail , all would fail at the same time. I tried ndiswrapper, my system hangs on that one. (three different versions of ndiswrapper). All on amd64.
After a week or so trying different versions of all programs involved i came up with the right settings. A custom kernel 2.6.18.1, ati driver 8.29.6, x windows 7.1.1, If i try a newer kernel, the ati drivers won't compile, if i try an older kernelversion my wlan isn't properly supported, so i'm stuck at 2.6.18.1, and i want xen to run on my laptop, which uses 2.6.17.x i think so i'm out ofluck...
I think they did a good job postponing the option of a beryl/compiz/xgl/aixgl setup in ubuntu. If you get it working it's quite cool and worth the trouble. IMHO this kind of thing is always worth the trouble (i have a relatively high geek factor).
Dell ships with Windows pre-installed. It comes to Microsofts attention that Dell uses Linux internally for all their systems and LAN configuration. If Dell makes this public, customers will be demanding a computer from Dell with Linux pre-installed. Dell has however signed a contract with MS that Dell will ship every new computer with a copy of Windows pre-installed. Dell has a serious problem now. What should Dell do besides pay up the MS extortion money and keep things under the lid? Dell will lose credibility if it will go to public warfare on this one with MS.
I'd make it public too , but you and i have (in comparison) nothing to lose. If it is true than Microsoft sure as hell selects his targets by who they think will pay up offcourse and selects a target (victem) that doesn't want to see this information out in public. I mean if some Windows only shop A has customers that are trusting the company A because they only use Microsoft products. Microsoft discovers that company A actually runs on Linux on his internal network, i would say company A is a perfect candidate to squeeze some dollars out off...
It's plain and simple extortion me thinks, but hey, if they can pass it off as protecting their IP than more power to them. Fighting this won't change a thing. General public opinion is pro-microsoft, sad but true things have to become much and much and much worse before people start to wake up and revolt. I hope that day comes soon.
Because they are two pieces of software that aleady do what they do best. You shouldn't always mess with a good thing just because you can. 'Keep it simple stupid', and 'If it ain't broke don't fix it' come to mind.
No but a good hard, well aimed, holding nothing back kick in the nuts can leave them impotent, so they'll have to do some ugly procedures to survive it in the long run. A couple of identical blows in the meantime could leave them sterile, so if the current setups begin to die out. And Intel had no more babies waiting anymore, they will not be dethrowned, but will be getting an hounerable mention in the history books.
And by the logic you portreyed (sp?) it isn't any different to bug something else that could be considred the targets property, like his/her shoes, his/her watch or his/her necklace. So i think by bugging a car when there isn't a warrent there is a boundry crossed where there definately for a good reason.
The whole warrent system is useless, just stop using them alltogether
What about Educational and Medical Exclusion? i guess the traing he receives qualifies as educational, my guess is he pays less than the 25000 in taxes. And how much of the prize actually goes to medical purposes (pre flight testing, medical checkup etc )Worth to do some research on i guess...
What would it take to do something about the problem with insecure by default OS'es (i am not naming names here on purpose, misconfigured OpenBSD can be even insecure as default Windows Me)
Maybe a bot that infects 80% of all vurnable PC's and deletes all documents it can find on a certain date. Screws up your harddrive makes all your data CC numbers , all your private porn pictures and every nasty little detail it can smut you with to a public webpage.
Then maybe a public revolt will lead developers to make secure by default products.
You've got nothing to hide? Ok from now on we'll have a webcam in your bedroom living room, kitchen, car, toilet (which you can't use anyway because you have to poop an piss into a bucket since we are going to inspect your shit 'n piss) 24/7, strip searches on your front lawn every time you leave or enter the house, random and periodic urine and bloodtests for your family and friends, polygraphing every week but that goes without saying offcourse. HEY STOP FIDDELING WITH THAT WEBCAM! YOU SCUMBAG! that's better...
You've got nothing to hide, so what's the problem?
So a company with 80 employees will save 40.000,- which they can hire another employee with. Considering the re-education costs of Office->Office2007 is the same as office->OpenOffice.
Or use the 40.000,- to learn your sysadmins howto admin linux and windows clients so they can assist in transitioning complete Windows desktops to Linux Desktops whereever possible to save even more money...
You want to tell me that in 40 or 50 years of space travel nobody ever cut up a picture or used photoshop/gimp to apply existing ideas to next generation space ships?
What i remeber from my Lego days is that i ended up with (what i personally think) a good desing, with all the wrong colours, but with about a gazillion of unused Lego blocks. And missing Lego blocks offcourse.
OMG It's intelligent! See that at 20 seconds into the movie tries to go over the cable but bumps back he tries again but this time it jumps over! It has learned!!!
No but the ICT management that is involved in buying the new windows pc's know they have a choice between, windows, mac, linux and others. They can have a little testcase and buy 4 macs and set up 4 linux boxes and give a couple of kids a go at it.
I think this is a bad idea, OMG someone think about the children! no seriousl though. There are a lot of bright kids with plenty of good ideas. I rarely see students with money to spend on inventions, tests, prototypes etc. They need to buy food, clothes, gas/water/elect. beer/etc. But they do have brilliant ideas...
I am inclined to say: it serves them right. They wanted to save a couple of $ and nobody ever gets fired for buying microsoft. Well, suck it up and take it like a man then. If problems come from it, well though luck, just had to thought of that a bit earlier.
Personally i hope that they run in a shitload of problems and vendor lockin trouble. Not to bash Microsoft, i always try to avoid doing that. But to make them aware that there are other choices that can be made.
Being an opensource guy myself and the only way for some people to learn is to hit rock bottem first, and then crawl back up again.
Yeah sure, but if you look at the link more cerfully and go to cutomize you can choose "Windows 64 bit" "windows 32 bit" and "no windows". The windows 64 bit costs $42 more. There is no price difference for "no windows" and "windows 32 bit" which suggests that you are paying the microsoft tax anyways...
And why only RHEL? Isn't that the a version of linux? I don't want windows, i don't want support from them, so i don't want to pay the MS tax. That is not possible.
So dell doesn't really do the good thing(tm) here.
If one could travel back in time and show people this list would the world benefit. If one would go back 1 year.
What about 5 years? or 10? ( for all you smart asses, Yes i would bring a copy of the latest linux kernel sources with me when i go back offcourse:-) )
And if i hack into your computer and turn your computer into a zombie delivering a few milltion mails a day you won't mind paying the bill for a couple of million?
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"The year of Linux arrives the year Adobe ports their software to Linux."
We hear that all the time but i don't believe there's any truth in that
statement. I tried to switch MS office users to OO, and allthough it worked
they all demanded to have MS office back. Even though a newer version came
out and the company had to pay big dollars for the upgrades, the management
said. So what, even i tried OO , but everything is soooo much different
(meaning, language (dutch) was a bit inconsistent in comparison to MSoffice and
some functions where in a different location).
Now i even understand why one of the highest management guy's over there didn't
want to switch. He was kind of an Excel guru and used about every function in Excel,
and had 5 years of data in Excel documents. Not all of them converted the right way(tm).
But other users used Excel only as a calculator , or add adresses to a name, and MS Word
for birthday cards. And even they complained and bluntly refused to use OO. Management
agreed with them offcourse.
So it isn't just Adobe's products, it's the whole mindset of people. Not to mention
Desktop in the office where custom software has to run. Try bookkeeping on linux. The
company who makes that software (biggest in the netherlands, the only one that has all
the functionality we need) bluntly refuses to make a windows version. In the newest version
they even require a Microsoft SQL server, wheras previous versions would run happily of a
samba server.
Telebanking software. Banks refuse to make Linux clients.
Tax software, no linux clients.
Salary payment accounting software, No linux client, almost the same story as the
bookkeeping i mentioned.
Various government programs (automaticly transfer data about sick days, salaries, free time
, vacation, days off etc) to all the various government departments, all Windows only.
We don't use adobe products. Only PDF readers and they are a dime a dozen.
kind regards,
Ubuntu:
In the panel you go to system,
then administration
then network tools.
1. Receive experimental funding from governmnent
2. Pay off NASA with the money you got for free anyway to gain some publicity.
3. Show people: ?
4. Collect more investment, experimental funding from whoever is now interrested.
Sure you are forgetting that in 2005 i had to have surgery to play games
with mind controls,now i put on a helmet, quite a different approach
won't you say?
Once you figure out the settings it's easy. My desktop has a AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3400+
and a 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R350 [Radeon 9800 Pro]
2.5 Gb of ram, X 7.1.1, ubuntu edgy eft and runs Linux main 2.6.17-10-generic kernel without
any problems. With beryl.
I don't have a wireless nic in this one, so it seems that the ati drivers and the bcm43xx bite
eachother in the ass...
"How about: ./ati-driver-installer-8.33.6-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/6.10
# sh
# dpkg -i *deb"
On my laptop a compaq r4000 with a bcm43xx pcmcia network controller and ubuntu
6.10, xorg 7.1, beryl, and a ati 200M XPRESS controller it was a nightmare to get
it all working together. Either my nic would fail, graphics would fail, x would fail
, all would fail at the same time. I tried ndiswrapper, my system hangs on that one.
(three different versions of ndiswrapper). All on amd64.
After a week or so trying different versions of all programs involved i came up with
the right settings. A custom kernel 2.6.18.1, ati driver 8.29.6, x windows 7.1.1,
If i try a newer kernel, the ati drivers won't compile, if i try an older kernelversion
my wlan isn't properly supported, so i'm stuck at 2.6.18.1, and i want xen to run on
my laptop, which uses 2.6.17.x i think so i'm out ofluck...
I think they did a good job postponing the option of a beryl/compiz/xgl/aixgl setup
in ubuntu. If you get it working it's quite cool and worth the trouble. IMHO this kind
of thing is always worth the trouble (i have a relatively high geek factor).
Consider the following:
Dell ships with Windows pre-installed. It comes to Microsofts attention that
Dell uses Linux internally for all their systems and LAN configuration. If
Dell makes this public, customers will be demanding a computer from
Dell with Linux pre-installed. Dell has however signed a contract with MS that
Dell will ship every new computer with a copy of Windows pre-installed.
Dell has a serious problem now. What should
Dell do besides pay up the MS extortion money and keep things under the lid?
Dell will lose credibility if it will go to public warfare on this one with MS.
I'd make it public too , but you and i have (in comparison) nothing to lose.
If it is true than Microsoft sure as hell selects his targets by who they
think will pay up offcourse and selects a target (victem) that doesn't want
to see this information out in public. I mean if some Windows only shop A
has customers that are trusting the company A because they only use Microsoft
products. Microsoft discovers that company A actually runs on Linux on his
internal network, i would say company A is a perfect candidate to squeeze some
dollars out off...
It's plain and simple extortion me thinks, but hey, if they can pass it off as
protecting their IP than more power to them. Fighting this won't change a thing.
General public opinion is pro-microsoft, sad but true things have to become
much and much and much worse before people start to wake up and revolt. I hope that
day comes soon.
But i can be wrong to offcourse...
Because they are two pieces of software that aleady do what they do best.
You shouldn't always mess with a good thing just because you can. 'Keep it
simple stupid', and 'If it ain't broke don't fix it' come to mind.
No but a good hard, well aimed, holding nothing back kick in the nuts can leave them impotent,
so they'll have to do some ugly procedures to survive it in the long run. A couple of identical
blows in the meantime could leave them sterile, so if the current setups begin to die out.
And Intel had no more babies waiting anymore, they will not be dethrowned, but will be getting
an hounerable mention in the history books.
And by the logic you portreyed (sp?) it isn't any different to bug something else
that could be considred the targets property, like his/her shoes, his/her watch or
his/her necklace. So i think by bugging a car when there isn't a warrent there is
a boundry crossed where there definately for a good reason.
The whole warrent system is useless, just stop using them alltogether
What about Educational and Medical Exclusion? i guess the traing he receives qualifies as educational, my guess
is he pays less than the 25000 in taxes. And how much of the prize actually goes to medical purposes (pre flight
testing, medical checkup etc )Worth to do some research on i guess...
What would it take to do something about the problem with
insecure by default OS'es (i am not naming names here on purpose,
misconfigured OpenBSD can be even insecure as default Windows Me)
Maybe a bot that infects 80% of all vurnable PC's and deletes
all documents it can find on a certain date. Screws up your harddrive
makes all your data CC numbers , all your private porn pictures
and every nasty little detail it can smut you with to a public
webpage.
Then maybe a public revolt will lead developers to make secure
by default products.
what do you guys think?
Very usefull in combat indeed,
if you hear a signal someone is around
the corner waiting for you...
Yeaah,
But do they run Linux?
Could not resist the urge...
You've got nothing to hide? Ok from now on we'll have a webcam in your bedroom
living room, kitchen, car, toilet (which you can't use anyway because you have
to poop an piss into a bucket since we are going to inspect your shit 'n piss)
24/7, strip searches on your front lawn every time you leave or enter the house,
random and periodic urine and bloodtests for your family and friends, polygraphing
every week but that goes without saying offcourse. HEY STOP FIDDELING WITH THAT
WEBCAM! YOU SCUMBAG! that's better...
You've got nothing to hide, so what's the problem?
So a company with 80 employees will save 40.000,- which they can
hire another employee with. Considering the re-education costs
of Office->Office2007 is the same as office->OpenOffice.
Or use the 40.000,- to learn your sysadmins howto admin linux
and windows clients so they can assist in transitioning complete
Windows desktops to Linux Desktops whereever possible to save even
more money...
my 2 cts
You want to tell me that in 40 or 50 years of space travel nobody
ever cut up a picture or used photoshop/gimp to apply existing ideas
to next generation space ships?
What i remeber from my Lego days is that i ended up with (what i
personally think) a good desing, with all the wrong colours, but
with about a gazillion of unused Lego blocks. And missing Lego
blocks offcourse.
just my 2 cts.
OMG It's intelligent! See that at 20 seconds into the movie tries to go over the
cable but bumps back he tries again but this time it jumps over! It has learned!!!
I for one... nah... i don't...
No but the ICT management that is involved in buying the new windows pc's know
they have a choice between, windows, mac, linux and others. They can have a little
testcase and buy 4 macs and set up 4 linux boxes and give a couple of kids a go at it.
That isn't rocket science...
just my 2cts
I think this is a bad idea, OMG someone think about the children!
no seriousl though. There are a lot of bright kids with plenty of
good ideas. I rarely see students with money to spend on inventions,
tests, prototypes etc. They need to buy food, clothes, gas/water/elect.
beer/etc. But they do have brilliant ideas...
Your system would rule them out...
just a thought...
I am inclined to say: it serves them right. They wanted to save a couple of $ and
nobody ever gets fired for buying microsoft. Well, suck it up and take it like
a man then. If problems come from it, well though luck, just had to thought of that
a bit earlier.
Personally i hope that they run in a shitload of problems and vendor lockin trouble.
Not to bash Microsoft, i always try to avoid doing that. But to make them aware that
there are other choices that can be made.
Being an opensource guy myself and the only way for some people to learn is to hit rock
bottem first, and then crawl back up again.
just 2 cts.
Yeah sure, but if you look at the link more cerfully and go to cutomize you can choose
a spx/workstations?c=sg&cs=sgbsd1&l=en&s=bsd
"Windows 64 bit" "windows 32 bit" and "no windows". The windows 64 bit costs $42 more. There
is no price difference for "no windows" and "windows 32 bit" which suggests that you
are paying the microsoft tax anyways...
http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/compare.
And why only RHEL? Isn't that the a version of linux?
I don't want windows, i don't want support from them, so i don't want to pay the
MS tax. That is not possible.
So dell doesn't really do the good thing(tm) here.
If one could travel back in time and show people this list would the world benefit.
:-) )
If one would go back 1 year.
What about 5 years? or 10? ( for all you smart asses, Yes i would bring a copy of the latest linux kernel sources
with me when i go back offcourse
kind regards,
Robin
And if i hack into your computer and turn your computer into a zombie delivering
a few milltion mails a day you won't mind paying the bill for a couple of million?
or would you mind?
i have some objections to it.
kind regards,