(-_-); That was a joke towards a parent post that was flamebait. Notice how they wer anonymous. I was trying to be humble by pointing out I didn't phrase things as well as I could have. Oh well, that's how slashdot moderation works.
I think a lot of Apple's basic survival is based on uniqueness, or at least percieved uniqueness. For some odd reason, a lot of dock imitators seem to make their programs so similar it's scary. They don't go out to design a Dock, they go out to design an Mac OS X Dock.
I think E17 might be the best example of creating effects similar to Mac OS X, but not copying. For example, the icons in the dock of E17 pulse when moused over instead of growing. Well, at least with the default theme.
Seriously, I expected the general slashdot threads to go like this.
Slashdotter 1> The dock is so useless! I hate it!
Slashdotter 2> They patented it.
Slashdotter 1> Those bastards!
From what I have seen, the Apple Dock has a fairly unique implementation. I hope the patent is at least based on this uniqueness and is not overly vague. A lot of basic elements can be manipulated into Apple Dock like things, but it's not the same.
This is special in a similar way to writing a Java interpreter in JavaScript. Or weird. That might be the word. It does however serve as an example of how flexible the editing is in LittleBigPlanet, which I think was a large part of the point.
Yeah, region locking was the wrong word there. I was trying to say that was the first time I felt that Nintendo was intentionally trying to separate the Japanese and North American markets through artificial means (the tabs). Speaking of which, it was a lot of fun melting the tabs off back in the day.
I was a little off on the description of the FC. The controllers had a microphone on them, not a speaker. Also, there were volume controls on the controllers.
I actually don't think the NES and SNES were region locked per say. At least not intentionally.
The hardware between the FC and the NES was very different. The cartriges had a different amount of pins, meaning games had to literally be ported. The lock out chip (famous for creating the blinking power light and yellow screen) wasn't made to create separate regions, it was created to keep cheap/pirated games off of the market. The last revision of the NES removed the lock out chip functionality from the console itself.
If you noticed the totally different designs between the SNES and the SFC, this was because Nintendo was pretty damn sure a system with the SFC design wouldn't sell in the US. With the cool image that the Genesis was letting off, I don't think they would have been wrong with how toyish the SFC looked and it's multi-colored controllers. This was also after the NES, which revived the game market. The NES originally had a much slicker design for the US market but it sold horrible. Nintendo didn't want to repeat the same mistake that way either. Thus, Nintendo released a new, boxy system with boxy cartridges that was fairly large and used muted colors much like the NES, but fairly different from the FC and the SFC. The boxy, large designs were also employed in the cartridge shapes.
Another words, the cartridges being different sizes was not for region locking. If they were trying to create regioned cartridges, Japanese cartridges would not simply fit in and work in a SNES.
The first Nintendo system to have actual intentional region locking was the N64. Up until that time, I don't think any one had ever thought of doing that. It just wasn't in people's minds. Thankfully, there was a popular system that came out before the N64 known as the PSX that had shown Nintendo there was another way.;-)
Your right in that Nintendo seems to be on a general path to region locking and Sony seems to be doing the opposite. Regardless, the DSi issue especially is a shock to many because the time to pull a switch like that would have been when the original DS was released. Changing their policies mid-game feels a bit cheap.
One thing that I want to point out is that in a few spots the region locking was differing hardware/features. Usually the actually region locking was ridiculously light otherwise. There was no game of making modchips that had to use stealth modes not to get caught.
The Famicon had some extra pins in the cartriges that some developers used to develop better sound in their games, making them incompatible in the US. Also, the Famicon, much like the Wii, had speakers in the controllers. The two systems in many ways were totally different consoles.
Japanese games would fit into a SNES console and work with no problems whatsoever. The reverse was not possible because SNES cartridges are much larger than SFC cartridges.
The N64 employed slightly different tab placement that the notches on the bottom of the cartridges fit into. Break the tabs, and you have a non region locked console. This struck me as the first obvious attempt at enforcing regioning.
The region on the GameCube was determined by a single wire being grounded on the circuit board. No need for any special chips like other consoles. What was a huge annoyance as the memory cards using different formats. This would mean Japanese games would attempt to format American formatted memory cards and vice-versa. Was this also a form of region locking? Maybe...
I know nothing about the Wii as I don't own one.
I don't own a PSX either, but I do have one PSX-J game. I play it on an emulator because I would rather not have to buy a Japanese PSX. It'll be the same for the PS2 when I get fast enough of a computer. The PS3 was pleasant a surprise after those two. But still, Sony isn't too innocent with their PSP firmware race and blu-ray video regions. They are just the good guys right now. Are PSP movies regioned too?
In the end, most games are licensed for sale and usage in their specific regions. Until the big three stop putting that ridiculous label on everything, I will stay weary of all three. (If I was wrong somewhere in this post, someone please correct me.)
No, it really isn't. The old usage of the word has been eclipsed at this point. Not fair, but nothing you can do about it either. Insisting that "hacker" is still a positive label is needlessly muddying the language at this point.
General usage of the word has been eclipsed at this point. But people who do know the difference should not necessarily be randomly throwing them around regardless. While you can call everything a taskbar, sometimes calling a gnome-panel a gnome-panel is more clear and make more sense.
For everyone worried about malicious TIFF exploits, you might want to take a few seconds and re-read those jailbreak features listed on the AppSnapp page. See number 6? Not only does the team jailbreak your phone, add Installer.app and fix YouTube, but they also repair patch Safari's TIFF exploit hole. Yes, you read that right. These amazing hackers have done Apple a huge favor and fixed the very same exploit they used to jailbreak.
Jailbreaking the iPod touch/iPhone is now an utterly simple, one-click affair--which means if you've been waiting to jailbreak your iPod touch or iPhone (since the 1.1.1 firmware upgrade), the time is now. Just point your Safari browser to http://jailbreakme.com/ and click the Install AppSnapp link. It may sound scary, but the web site takes advantage of a mobile Safari exploit to install Installer.app (the gateway application for installing more applications) to your device. If you give it a try, here's what you can expect.
IANAL, but I'm pretty sure that still isn't theft, that's plagiarism and/or fraud.
That wouldn't surprise me. I just wish more people would say what you did instead of attempt to whore mod points or pull a rebellious "anti-group think" when it doesn't make any sense.
First of all, he's right: it's hypocritical to call it "stealing" just because it's about Free Software, when doing so in (for example) an RIAA article would get you flamed to a crisp.
The people who argue this case isn't stealing tend to blatently ignore the patent portion of the argument instead of even trying to explain around it. It has nothing to do with it being free software in this case. The author of the code did actually lose something. In an RIAA articles we aren't talking about people taking away the rights of the publishers to publish their songs. It's an apple to oranges argument.
Thanks. It took me a while to figure out what he was saying. He corrected something I said and then added something wrong of his own. It didn't help that I kept copy and pasting my wrong part and didn't notice either. *sigh* It would be nice if slashdot at least supported unicode characters.
I know you haven't been reading my messages because a few ago I did change it to (u) from (wa).;-) You need to get off of your high horse. When you get people pissed off, they stop reading, which is exactly what happened to you.
I have been saying all along that you type wii to get the correct letters. That is what it is about. You're the one who keeps changing the topic. Who is the one who said that the original poster was asking about waapuro?
Just so you know, I have been pasting large parts of my conversation since the beginning.;-) I think I am going to add you to my friends list. This has been fun and I like searching the webs for info.
I wonder if purchases from the virtual console will also work on the DS? I mean, if they are changing Wii points to Nintendo points, we can expect an eventual class action suit, right?
Someone above said something about how this new product will stand independent of the DS (at least for now). That makes sense as it mitigates the problems with releasing a new system too early. But at the same time, it means Nintendo will have different levels of DS and that doesn't sound like a standard strategy of theirs.
You did not type UII to get those letters. Fess up. It's becoming pretty obvious that you are not interested at all in having an honest discussion, though.
No, you did a google search for (u)(small i)(-) in katakana. You type wi- to get the correct hiragana to come out. ui- has nothing to do with waapuro as you're suggesting typing uii will make the correct kana come out. uii in romanji doesn't even return any results that pertain to the Wii when you put it in google. http://www.google.ca/search?hl=ja&q=uii&btnG=Google+%E6%A4%9C%E7%B4%A2
No, "uii" and "wii" are BOTH valid informal waapuro romanizations of that word.
With your definition, pretty much anything could be a correct romanization. Maybe if it was "UiI" or something it would make more sense. I just tried typing wii and uii on a Windows machine. Only the wii one came out right. That means that uii isn't waapuro on Windows either. Where are you getting your information from?
Sure. Unusual waapuro, but it is. What's the relevance?
Wikipedia said that waapuro is special because it is closer to spoken Japanese. Aka, ha = wa, wo = o. That means wii is waapuro and uii isn't. You're the one who said to check out wikipedia.
I get the feeling you haven't been reading mine either.
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(-_-); That was a joke towards a parent post that was flamebait. Notice how they wer anonymous. I was trying to be humble by pointing out I didn't phrase things as well as I could have. Oh well, that's how slashdot moderation works.
I think a lot of Apple's basic survival is based on uniqueness, or at least percieved uniqueness. For some odd reason, a lot of dock imitators seem to make their programs so similar it's scary. They don't go out to design a Dock, they go out to design an Mac OS X Dock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLZGFsA82gk&feature=related
I think E17 might be the best example of creating effects similar to Mac OS X, but not copying. For example, the icons in the dock of E17 pulse when moused over instead of growing. Well, at least with the default theme.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10kg2aSB8q4&feature=related
Meh. My 2 cents.
Seriously, I expected the general slashdot threads to go like this.
Slashdotter 1> The dock is so useless! I hate it!
Slashdotter 2> They patented it.
Slashdotter 1> Those bastards!
From what I have seen, the Apple Dock has a fairly unique implementation. I hope the patent is at least based on this uniqueness and is not overly vague. A lot of basic elements can be manipulated into Apple Dock like things, but it's not the same.
This is special in a similar way to writing a Java interpreter in JavaScript. Or weird. That might be the word. It does however serve as an example of how flexible the editing is in LittleBigPlanet, which I think was a large part of the point.
Yeah, region locking was the wrong word there. I was trying to say that was the first time I felt that Nintendo was intentionally trying to separate the Japanese and North American markets through artificial means (the tabs). Speaking of which, it was a lot of fun melting the tabs off back in the day.
Yes I am. ;) The post had some pretty questionable phrasing in general to boot.
I was a little off on the description of the FC. The controllers had a microphone on them, not a speaker. Also, there were volume controls on the controllers.
I wish I could find a picture of the original NES design that had failed. But at least wikipedia mentions it in their NES article under the title "Original chassis/casing". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Entertainment_System
I actually don't think the NES and SNES were region locked per say. At least not intentionally.
The hardware between the FC and the NES was very different. The cartriges had a different amount of pins, meaning games had to literally be ported. The lock out chip (famous for creating the blinking power light and yellow screen) wasn't made to create separate regions, it was created to keep cheap/pirated games off of the market. The last revision of the NES removed the lock out chip functionality from the console itself.
If you noticed the totally different designs between the SNES and the SFC, this was because Nintendo was pretty damn sure a system with the SFC design wouldn't sell in the US. With the cool image that the Genesis was letting off, I don't think they would have been wrong with how toyish the SFC looked and it's multi-colored controllers. This was also after the NES, which revived the game market. The NES originally had a much slicker design for the US market but it sold horrible. Nintendo didn't want to repeat the same mistake that way either. Thus, Nintendo released a new, boxy system with boxy cartridges that was fairly large and used muted colors much like the NES, but fairly different from the FC and the SFC. The boxy, large designs were also employed in the cartridge shapes.
Another words, the cartridges being different sizes was not for region locking. If they were trying to create regioned cartridges, Japanese cartridges would not simply fit in and work in a SNES.
The first Nintendo system to have actual intentional region locking was the N64. Up until that time, I don't think any one had ever thought of doing that. It just wasn't in people's minds. Thankfully, there was a popular system that came out before the N64 known as the PSX that had shown Nintendo there was another way. ;-)
Your right in that Nintendo seems to be on a general path to region locking and Sony seems to be doing the opposite. Regardless, the DSi issue especially is a shock to many because the time to pull a switch like that would have been when the original DS was released. Changing their policies mid-game feels a bit cheap.
One thing that I want to point out is that in a few spots the region locking was differing hardware/features. Usually the actually region locking was ridiculously light otherwise. There was no game of making modchips that had to use stealth modes not to get caught.
I don't own a PSX either, but I do have one PSX-J game. I play it on an emulator because I would rather not have to buy a Japanese PSX. It'll be the same for the PS2 when I get fast enough of a computer. The PS3 was pleasant a surprise after those two. But still, Sony isn't too innocent with their PSP firmware race and blu-ray video regions. They are just the good guys right now. Are PSP movies regioned too?
In the end, most games are licensed for sale and usage in their specific regions. Until the big three stop putting that ridiculous label on everything, I will stay weary of all three. (If I was wrong somewhere in this post, someone please correct me.)
No, it really isn't. The old usage of the word has been eclipsed at this point. Not fair, but nothing you can do about it either. Insisting that "hacker" is still a positive label is needlessly muddying the language at this point.
General usage of the word has been eclipsed at this point. But people who do know the difference should not necessarily be randomly throwing them around regardless. While you can call everything a taskbar, sometimes calling a gnome-panel a gnome-panel is more clear and make more sense.
For everyone worried about malicious TIFF exploits, you might want to take a few seconds and re-read those jailbreak features listed on the AppSnapp page. See number 6? Not only does the team jailbreak your phone, add Installer.app and fix YouTube, but they also repair patch Safari's TIFF exploit hole. Yes, you read that right. These amazing hackers have done Apple a huge favor and fixed the very same exploit they used to jailbreak.
http://lifehacker.com/software/how-to/jailbreak-your-iphone-or-ipod-touch-with-one-click-316287.php
Jailbreaking the iPod touch/iPhone is now an utterly simple, one-click affair--which means if you've been waiting to jailbreak your iPod touch or iPhone (since the 1.1.1 firmware upgrade), the time is now. Just point your Safari browser to http://jailbreakme.com/ and click the Install AppSnapp link. It may sound scary, but the web site takes advantage of a mobile Safari exploit to install Installer.app (the gateway application for installing more applications) to your device. If you give it a try, here's what you can expect.
IANAL, but I'm pretty sure that still isn't theft, that's plagiarism and/or fraud.
That wouldn't surprise me. I just wish more people would say what you did instead of attempt to whore mod points or pull a rebellious "anti-group think" when it doesn't make any sense.
First of all, he's right: it's hypocritical to call it "stealing" just because it's about Free Software, when doing so in (for example) an RIAA article would get you flamed to a crisp.
The people who argue this case isn't stealing tend to blatently ignore the patent portion of the argument instead of even trying to explain around it. It has nothing to do with it being free software in this case. The author of the code did actually lose something. In an RIAA articles we aren't talking about people taking away the rights of the publishers to publish their songs. It's an apple to oranges argument.
Thanks. It took me a while to figure out what he was saying. He corrected something I said and then added something wrong of his own. It didn't help that I kept copy and pasting my wrong part and didn't notice either. *sigh* It would be nice if slashdot at least supported unicode characters.
I know you haven't been reading my messages because a few ago I did change it to (u) from (wa). ;-) You need to get off of your high horse. When you get people pissed off, they stop reading, which is exactly what happened to you.
I have been saying all along that you type wii to get the correct letters. That is what it is about. You're the one who keeps changing the topic. Who is the one who said that the original poster was asking about waapuro?
Just so you know, I have been pasting large parts of my conversation since the beginning. ;-) I think I am going to add you to my friends list. This has been fun and I like searching the webs for info.
I wonder if purchases from the virtual console will also work on the DS? I mean, if they are changing Wii points to Nintendo points, we can expect an eventual class action suit, right?
Someone above said something about how this new product will stand independent of the DS (at least for now). That makes sense as it mitigates the problems with releasing a new system too early. But at the same time, it means Nintendo will have different levels of DS and that doesn't sound like a standard strategy of theirs.
CmdrTaco? Is that you?
You did not type UII to get those letters. Fess up. It's becoming pretty obvious that you are not interested at all in having an honest discussion, though.
Lets see a single link about uii. :-p
No, you did a google search for (u)(small i)(-) in katakana. You type wi- to get the correct hiragana to come out. ui- has nothing to do with waapuro as you're suggesting typing uii will make the correct kana come out. uii in romanji doesn't even return any results that pertain to the Wii when you put it in google. http://www.google.ca/search?hl=ja&q=uii&btnG=Google+%E6%A4%9C%E7%B4%A2
No, "uii" and "wii" are BOTH valid informal waapuro romanizations of that word.
With your definition, pretty much anything could be a correct romanization. Maybe if it was "UiI" or something it would make more sense. I just tried typing wii and uii on a Windows machine. Only the wii one came out right. That means that uii isn't waapuro on Windows either. Where are you getting your information from?
Please, please, please actually read my posts! I provided Google links that clearly showed that "wa" is wrong.
You provided Google links that clearly showed I was right. I even explained why. But you didn't read my posts...
Sure. Unusual waapuro, but it is. What's the relevance?
Wikipedia said that waapuro is special because it is closer to spoken Japanese. Aka, ha = wa, wo = o. That means wii is waapuro and uii isn't. You're the one who said to check out wikipedia.
I get the feeling you haven't been reading mine either.
Also, it'd be polite of you if you were to admit that "Wii" is not written "(wa)(i[small])(-)", as you claimed in this post [slashdot.org].
What are you talking about? You have pointed out multiple times with your examples that (wa)(i[small])(-) is right.