Please don't get me wrong. Those who committed or aided the horrible terrorist act have sinned beyond my imagination.
I just want to know why. Most people I've met are generally good... and when they exibhit bad behavior it is often circumstances which have pushed them there.
We must consider the root cause of this problem if we are going to fix it. Sometimes it requires an inward look, walk in the other person's shoes for a bit and ask youself... really ask your self, would you act any differently?
I agree... the *specific* individuals involved are evil -- the problem is the *environment* which has created/encouraged/supported those individuals. If we are even partially responsible for that environment it is our task to clean our own house before we may demand the same of others.
CSPAN = Congress "Live" In particular, I was focusing on CSPAN2 so that I may better assess what kind of leadership we have in this horrible time of crisis. Most of it is very good, just a bit too much war mongering, IMHO.
When we go to prosecute a murder, we look
for intent. I find it funny that very
little media has given us a detailed
background of the history and possible
motivations of the terrorists. This was
obviously not a spur-of-the-moment thing.
It took determination, planning, willing
to give up one's life. I would like to see
less talk of War and more of Why.
In short, I've listened to CSPAN all day
today and yesterday. Lots of talk of
war, getting retribution, but no analysis
of what part we have played in this story.
Jordanian Perspective about Attacks on America
Middle East News Online
By Edna Yaghi for Middle East News Online
Posted Wednesday September 12, 2001 - 06:00:52 PM EDT
While Israeli bulldozers continue to destroy Palestinian homes in the Beit Hanina district of Arab East Jerusalem and while 2 Palestinians in Nablus were killed and 20 injured as Israeli tanks shelled a refugee camp in the West Bank city of Jenin, Tuesday, September 11, 2 hijacked planes cut through the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York City and a third plane dove done into the Pentagon in Washington, D.C.
These attacks, the worst ever on the U.S. mainland in modern history, struck at the heart of the American people and paralyzed the entire nation.
Thousands of innocent people may have lost their lives in a most tragic way. Surely, no peace loving person can condone the killing of civilian people regardless of what race, nationality or creed they possess.
Yet, America's blind and unconditional support for Israeli atrocities and crimes against the Palestinian people, plus the ongoing American assault against the Iraqis was bound to boomerang sooner or later. It is, after all, American made weapons that demolish, bomb, cut down and shoot Palestinians in the Occupied Territories. American planes are the ones that also randomly bomb Iraqi civilian targets.
One people are no more human than any other. As Americans grieve for the loss of their loved ones, so do Palestinians grieve for the senseless deaths of their people and the same goes for the Iraqis as well.
For nearly a year, the Palestinian people have been under Israeli siege. Every day Palestinians die in their homes, going to school, going to work, trying to get through an Israeli checkpoint or on the streets where they are open targets for Israeli tanks and snipers.
Every day Iraqi babies die because of the sanctions. Every month the death toll of Iraqi children surpasses 5,000. And George Jr. has taken over the job of bombarding Iraqis by air to make sure that their misery continues.
For the first time in a long time, the American people experienced how it feels to be attacked. People ran in desperate fear through the streets of New York City. Some hid behind cars. Others could not escape death.
America will never be the same again. The attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon have proved that the greatest and only super power in the world is not invincible. No mater who is responsible for the attacks on America and not matter how viciously the Americans choose to retaliate, American foreign policy is what brought this all on. Perhaps this is the beginning of the decline of the great American Empire.
All good and bad things eventually come to an end. Americans should become aware of just how detrimental their foreign policy is and for a change, stand on the side of justice instead of supporting injustice all over the world.
Espen Skoglund wrote: While I wholeheartedly agree that one shouldn't give in to terrorism, I am pretty stunned by the total lack of concern people have in finding the cause of the attacks.... Even if it turns out to be bin Laden having a sickingly hatred agains the US and Americans, the answer still prompts the question: "Why? There surely must be a reason for the hatred?"
This is more or less the reasoning that I'd like to hear more of. I listened to our congress all day yesterday and most of today. Talks of war! Talks of retribution! Not one, not one senator talked of reflection. This is especially disconcerding givin that they claim to be good
Christians. Christ talked about reflection.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that some people's objections to not trying to learn, to being too bullheaded, to not being willing to adapting at any cost, might have played a significant role in the last days event.
I agree here. This story is indeed tragic. To be tragic one needs a fatal flaw. In the US we have that fatal flaw; the notion of supremesy, manifest destiny, and arrogance. Very unsettling that the journalists are correctly calling the bombing tragic...
To answer the question: What we must do? We must educate those around us, and teach others to not stand idle while fellow humans are being treated unjustly (esp with our money). To do this we must work at the grass roots, and we must strive to bring our capitalism and democracy back into ballance. If we don't we will lose both our democracy and capitalism; and our freedom and security.
Re:The views of a Muslim in NY
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Also, the bible talks of the trininty, Jesus (the example god wishes us to follow), Almighty Father (God Himself) and the Holy Spirit (the part of god that is in each of us). Don't be confused with figurative vs literal speech.
Beautyful Commentary by Alex Chadwick of NPR
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At 11:58 a most wonderful commentary I heared on NPR. It ended something like this... "we call them cowards, thugs... but this required calculation, determination, hatred... it is clear that our enemy knew us well... we must now ask, do we know our enemy?"
Re:Poll: Rebuild Trade Center or Not?
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Yes we must build another office building! (horrible noises) Not another office building?
Yes. Then you will build it here besides this office building, only slightly higher so you get the two-level effect with the little tas running down the middle.
Arkham One wrote: I wonder why people who work in these super-high buildings dont't equip themselves with... parachutes!
Damn. I thought my parachute clause in my employment contract was going to accomidate
this eventuality.
On a more serious note, if you don't also have a gun, your parachute won't be very useful to you... unless you are damn quick.
It is un-Islamic to kill innocent people
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There is an interesting Ny Times article which describes a reporter's interviews with Afghanistan People.
[A] 25-year-old constable sat on the floor beneath a single dangling light bulb. His name was Muhammad Anwar. He had heard something about the attack in America but he had no idea how many were killed or what cities were involved. Indeed, it seemed unlikely that he had ever heard of New York.
"Attacks like these are not a good thing because Muslims live all over the world and Muslims may have been killed," Mr. Anwar said hesitantly. By his reckoning, Americans were enemies of Afghanistan, as were Jews and Christians. He thought about this a bit more and retracted it partially. "There must have been all kinds of people in the building, not just bad Jews but good Jews, not just bad Christians but good ones." He remembered something he had learned in his madrassa, or religious school. "It is un-Islamic to kill innocent people," he said.
Will our War on Terrorism in include the IRA?
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Or are we just going to target the Arab
terrorist organizations?
Re:inside a terrorist's head
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Please be careful about attributing these "good" things to capitalism. This is not strictly true. Only when you have *both* Capitalism and Democracy in ballence do these things occur. In the last 10 years our Capitalism has been taking too much credit for our Democracy, and Corporations are getting more power then the People. This is a problem. Capitalism is good, Capitalism taken to its extreme is Totalitarian and we must use Democracy wisely to keep it in check; to harness the firey beast if you will... please consider this.
Re:Osama Bin Laden uses PGP to thwart intelligence
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One of the reasons the CIA lost track of Osama Bin Laden was due to his switching from cell phones to PGP and the Internet for communications. Somehow i'm feeling a little guilty...
Please... please... don't think like this.
Let's think about Ben Franklin's prophesy,
if you give away freedom for security you
end up with neither.
We must turn our cheek and lead by example,
the bulk of the world are filled with decent
people and they will follow and shun those
who turn to barbaric acts. Responding with barbarism only breads contempt. We must act fairly and pull those from distress -- for it
is very much an act of desperation that we
have witnessed yesterday. Pity our enemy for
they have probably not had the opportunity to
see any other way.
On the home front we must fight a vigorous
intellectual challenge for our freedom. Only
today Sen Kennedy said in one sentance that
we will be returning to normalicy and then
a brief minute later said that we are at war,
and we must be willing to give up certain
liberties while we are at war (12:30 PM Today).
As we get more and more technologically advanced and the gap between the rich and the poor widens we must struggle to ballance captialism with our democracy; so that neither has the upper hand.
This is what we must struggle with; educating
our leaders so that they make the correct
choice for the people of the world -- the
choice of Jesus who turns his cheek and
teaches others to fish!
We are no longer a people of the U.S. we
are a people of the world and we must start
acting like such a people and stop looking
for borders which no longer exist.
An AC just wrote: The attacks yesterday actually are the end of hijacking. Up until yesterday, people on a plane could assume they would live through it by cooperating. Now, people on the plane will fear they'll die even if they cooperate, and be used to kill thousands more. Three guys with little knives won't be able to take over a plane full of passengers. They may kill many passengers, but the hijackers will be beaten into bloody pulp.
I am listening to our Senate on CSPAN at this time. It is repetitive. Each senator talks of anger, fear, resolve, compares to Pearl Harbor. I hear talks of revenge, "they will pay the highest price", "make those who harbor these criminals comply", "The first attack will not be the last. We must prepare ourselves for the worst. And take this fight in places that we are not prepared." Not that these talks are bad; but they did not seem to be balanced with concern for democracy. They seem to be driven from rage.
In particular, there was a complete lack of talk regarding our "country image". This is no longer the 70's when we could fund dictatorships with arms and money. We must be far more careful and use our money and power not to opress, but as a force of freedom. Clearly our behavior in the middle east could be much better.
Put yourself in palenstinian shoes. Imagine your father being humilated in front of you (stripped and then walked on or something that stupid) and then shot with an American M16 with American Apache helicopters over head. What do these people begin to think? Imagine having to wait through a 2 hour check-point just to get to work, and then 2 hour line up on the way back; showing your id, randomally corralled and cavidy searched. Seriously. You would grow up completly numb. Completely without value. Irrational.
Sound like our terriorists, hunh? What happens if we actually *made* those terrorists with our own actions? What do we have to say for ourselves?
I say now is not the time for comdemnation, but a time for reflection. Let us not judge those less we walk in their shoes and drink from their cup. Let us not restrict the freedoms of others less we loose our democracy. Let us follow the doctrine of the second testiment, the god of compassion. Let us not give fishes, but teach those in need to fish. Let's stop being so selfish and self-righteous. Only when we have humility can we truly be in the position to defend ouselves to the world, and then we won't have to. Reasonably people will abhor talks of terrorism against the united states.
AT 12:55 in the Senate today Senator Kerry just suggested that we should rebuild the twin towers. He went on to say that this is the only adequate monument that could possibly be raised, a tribute to our democracy and capitalism. He said to those who would mark the new building as a target: "We have no shortage of tall buildings or monuments; this is not a question of targets, it is a question of our strength and of our national resolve."
Following is a message which my one of my best friends passed along with permission to distribute to those who might be interested. It fills in the details that I missed in my original conversation with him and attempted to relate to you.
Tom has given me permission to distribute the message - please feel free to post it if you deem it appropriate.
Sincerely,
Art Russell Major, US Army (Retired)
Message Follows:
Today was a tragedy for all of America and to my family, a very personal one. Lynn and my Niece Liz's husband, Jeremy Glick was on United flight 93 this morning. When the Hijackers took control of flight 93. Jeremy called my niece who in-turn conferenced him to 911. Jeremy relayed to the police what was happening as the hijacking unfolded. As our niece Liz listened, Jeremy told the police there were three Arab terrorists with knives and a large red box that they claimed contained a bomb. Jeremy tracked the second by second details and relayed them to the police by phone. After several minutes of describing the scene, Jeremy and several other passengers decided there was nothing to lose by rushing the hijackers. Although United Flight 93 crashed outside of Pittsburgh, with the loss of all souls. Jeremy and the other patriotic heroes saved the lives of many people on the ground that would have died if the Arab terrorists had been able to complete their heinous mission.
Please offer your prayers for all of those who perished or were injured in this tragic of all days and to our niece Liz Glick and her 2-month-old child, Emerson, who are left without their loving Husband and Father.
May we remember Jeremy and the other brave souls as heroes, soldiers and Americans' on United flight 93 whom so gallantry gave their lives to save many others.
Lynn, our four adult children and I are headed to New York to be with our family during this time of great sadness
It looks like all passengers and flight personnel (including the pilots) on the the flight bound for Pentagon were herded to the back of the plane by hijackers armed with knives and cardboard cutters.
This just goes to show we have no public training on how to handle this situtation. I don't think a "high-tech" solution, like banning encryption is needed. How about something simple... educate the public?
"This looks like the signature of Osama bin Laden," said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, who had been briefed by high-level government officials on the attacks. "We're going to find out who did this and we're going after the bastards."
Sen. John Kerry, D-Massachusetts, agreed."I have no doubt in my mind it's Osama bin Laden," he told CNN. "It's very much in keeping with the threats he has made."
Bush: "Make no mistake, The United States will hunt down and punish those responsible for these cowardly acts"
From the article Mecham (the bad guy) wrote:
While the committee's report is indisputably strong and viable, I believe you may wish to respond to those privacy concerns which are legitimate, such as protecting the confidentiality of official chambers communications. I believe that making the minor changes suggested above will respond to those privacy concerns and help forge consensus on the committee's recommendations.
Thus, they didn't blink. He said that the Judge has a few minor concerns, strictly limited to chamber communication. This is far from over.
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Please don't get me wrong. Those who committed or aided the horrible terrorist act have sinned beyond my imagination.
I just want to know why. Most people I've met are generally good... and when they exibhit bad behavior it is often circumstances which have pushed them there.
We must consider the root cause of this problem if we are going to fix it. Sometimes it requires an inward look, walk in the other person's shoes for a bit and ask youself... really ask your self, would you act any differently?
I agree... the *specific* individuals involved are evil -- the problem is the *environment* which has created/encouraged/supported those individuals. If we are even partially responsible for that environment it is our task to clean our own house before we may demand the same of others.
Aye.. I am not exactly anti-violence here... But even a whacko like me knows you don't fight fire with fire... You fight fire with water
Thanks... you made my day.
CSPAN = Congress "Live" In particular, I was focusing on CSPAN2 so that I may better assess what kind of leadership we have in this horrible time of crisis. Most of it is very good, just a bit too much war mongering, IMHO.
When we go to prosecute a murder, we look
for intent. I find it funny that very
little media has given us a detailed
background of the history and possible
motivations of the terrorists. This was
obviously not a spur-of-the-moment thing.
It took determination, planning, willing
to give up one's life. I would like to see
less talk of War and more of Why.
In short, I've listened to CSPAN all day
today and yesterday. Lots of talk of
war, getting retribution, but no analysis
of what part we have played in this story.
Best,
Clark
The Middle East Wire is very interesting read. I've especially enjoyed their Commentary and Interviews. For example, here is one very good article...
Jordanian Perspective about Attacks on America
Middle East News Online
By Edna Yaghi for Middle East News Online
Posted Wednesday September 12, 2001 - 06:00:52 PM EDT
While Israeli bulldozers continue to destroy Palestinian homes in the Beit Hanina district of Arab East Jerusalem and while 2 Palestinians in Nablus were killed and 20 injured as Israeli tanks shelled a refugee camp in the West Bank city of Jenin, Tuesday, September 11, 2 hijacked planes cut through the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York City and a third plane dove done into the Pentagon in Washington, D.C.
These attacks, the worst ever on the U.S. mainland in modern history, struck at the heart of the American people and paralyzed the entire nation.
Thousands of innocent people may have lost their lives in a most tragic way. Surely, no peace loving person can condone the killing of civilian people regardless of what race, nationality or creed they possess.
Yet, America's blind and unconditional support for Israeli atrocities and crimes against the Palestinian people, plus the ongoing American assault against the Iraqis was bound to boomerang sooner or later. It is, after all, American made weapons that demolish, bomb, cut down and shoot Palestinians in the Occupied Territories. American planes are the ones that also randomly bomb Iraqi civilian targets.
One people are no more human than any other. As Americans grieve for the loss of their loved ones, so do Palestinians grieve for the senseless deaths of their people and the same goes for the Iraqis as well.
For nearly a year, the Palestinian people have been under Israeli siege. Every day Palestinians die in their homes, going to school, going to work, trying to get through an Israeli checkpoint or on the streets where they are open targets for Israeli tanks and snipers.
Every day Iraqi babies die because of the sanctions. Every month the death toll of Iraqi children surpasses 5,000. And George Jr. has taken over the job of bombarding Iraqis by air to make sure that their misery continues.
For the first time in a long time, the American people experienced how it feels to be attacked. People ran in desperate fear through the streets of New York City. Some hid behind cars. Others could not escape death.
America will never be the same again. The attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon have proved that the greatest and only super power in the world is not invincible. No mater who is responsible for the attacks on America and not matter how viciously the Americans choose to retaliate, American foreign policy is what brought this all on. Perhaps this is the beginning of the decline of the great American Empire.
All good and bad things eventually come to an end. Americans should become aware of just how detrimental their foreign policy is and for a change, stand on the side of justice instead of supporting injustice all over the world.
Espen Skoglund wrote: While I wholeheartedly agree that one shouldn't give in to terrorism, I am pretty stunned by the total lack of concern people have in finding the cause of the attacks. ... Even if it turns out to be bin Laden having a sickingly hatred agains the US and Americans, the answer still prompts the question: "Why? There surely must be a reason for the hatred?"
This is more or less the reasoning that I'd like to hear more of. I listened to our congress all day yesterday and most of today. Talks of war! Talks of retribution! Not one, not one senator talked of reflection. This is especially disconcerding givin that they claim to be good
Christians. Christ talked about reflection.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that some people's objections to not trying to learn, to being too bullheaded, to not being willing to adapting at any cost, might have played a significant role in the last days event.
I agree here. This story is indeed tragic. To be tragic one needs a fatal flaw. In the US we have that fatal flaw; the notion of supremesy, manifest destiny, and arrogance. Very unsettling that the journalists are correctly calling the bombing tragic...
To answer the question: What we must do? We must educate those around us, and teach others to not stand idle while fellow humans are being treated unjustly (esp with our money). To do this we must work at the grass roots, and we must strive to bring our capitalism and democracy back into ballance. If we don't we will lose both our democracy and capitalism; and our freedom and security.
Also, the bible talks of the trininty, Jesus (the example god wishes us to follow), Almighty Father (God Himself) and the Holy Spirit (the part of god that is in each of us). Don't be confused with figurative vs literal speech.
At 11:58 a most wonderful commentary I heared on NPR. It ended something like this... "we call them cowards, thugs ... but this required calculation, determination, hatred ... it is clear that our enemy knew us well ... we must now ask, do we know our enemy?"
Yes we must build another office building! (horrible noises) Not another office building?
Yes. Then you will build it here besides this office building, only slightly higher so you get the two-level effect with the little tas running down the middle.
Arkham One wrote: I wonder why people who work in these super-high buildings dont't equip themselves with... parachutes!
Damn. I thought my parachute clause in my employment contract was going to accomidate
this eventuality.
On a more serious note, if you don't also have a gun, your parachute won't be very useful to you... unless you are damn quick.
There is an interesting Ny Times article which describes a reporter's interviews with Afghanistan People.
[A] 25-year-old constable sat on the floor beneath a single dangling light bulb. His name was Muhammad Anwar. He had heard something about the attack in America but he had no idea how many were killed or what cities were involved. Indeed, it seemed unlikely that he had ever heard of New York.
"Attacks like these are not a good thing because Muslims live all over the world and Muslims may have been killed," Mr. Anwar said hesitantly. By his reckoning, Americans were enemies of Afghanistan, as were Jews and Christians. He thought about this a bit more and retracted it partially. "There must have been all kinds of people in the building, not just bad Jews but good Jews, not just bad Christians but good ones." He remembered something he had learned in his madrassa, or religious school. "It is un-Islamic to kill innocent people," he said.
Or are we just going to target the Arab
terrorist organizations?
Does the quarterback steal the geek's lunch?
Please be careful about attributing these "good" things to capitalism. This is not strictly true. Only when you have *both* Capitalism and Democracy in ballence do these things occur. In the last 10 years our Capitalism has been taking too much credit for our Democracy, and Corporations are getting more power then the People. This is a problem. Capitalism is good, Capitalism taken to its extreme is Totalitarian and we must use Democracy wisely to keep it in check; to harness the firey beast if you will... please consider this.
One of the reasons the CIA lost track of Osama Bin Laden was due to his switching from cell phones to PGP and the Internet for communications. Somehow i'm feeling a little guilty...
Please... please... don't think like this.
Let's think about Ben Franklin's prophesy,
if you give away freedom for security you
end up with neither.
We must turn our cheek and lead by example,
the bulk of the world are filled with decent
people and they will follow and shun those
who turn to barbaric acts. Responding with barbarism only breads contempt. We must act fairly and pull those from distress -- for it
is very much an act of desperation that we
have witnessed yesterday. Pity our enemy for
they have probably not had the opportunity to
see any other way.
On the home front we must fight a vigorous
intellectual challenge for our freedom. Only
today Sen Kennedy said in one sentance that
we will be returning to normalicy and then
a brief minute later said that we are at war,
and we must be willing to give up certain
liberties while we are at war (12:30 PM Today).
As we get more and more technologically advanced and the gap between the rich and the poor widens we must struggle to ballance captialism with our democracy; so that neither has the upper hand.
This is what we must struggle with; educating
our leaders so that they make the correct
choice for the people of the world -- the
choice of Jesus who turns his cheek and
teaches others to fish!
We are no longer a people of the U.S. we
are a people of the world and we must start
acting like such a people and stop looking
for borders which no longer exist.
Best,
Clark
An AC just wrote: The attacks yesterday actually are the end of hijacking. Up until yesterday, people on a plane could assume they would live through it by cooperating. Now, people on the plane will fear they'll die even if they cooperate, and be used to kill thousands more. Three guys with little knives won't be able to take over a plane full of passengers. They may kill many passengers, but the hijackers will be beaten into bloody pulp.
Mod this one up.
I am listening to our Senate on CSPAN at this time. It is repetitive. Each senator talks of anger, fear, resolve, compares to Pearl Harbor. I hear talks of revenge, "they will pay the highest price", "make those who harbor these criminals comply", "The first attack will not be the last. We must prepare ourselves for the worst. And take this fight in places that we are not prepared." Not that these talks are bad; but they did not seem to be balanced with concern for democracy. They seem to be driven from rage.
In particular, there was a complete lack of talk regarding our "country image". This is no longer the 70's when we could fund dictatorships with arms and money. We must be far more careful and use our money and power not to opress, but as a force of freedom. Clearly our behavior in the middle east could be much better.
Put yourself in palenstinian shoes. Imagine your father being humilated in front of you (stripped and then walked on or something that stupid) and then shot with an American M16 with American Apache helicopters over head. What do these people begin to think? Imagine having to wait through a 2 hour check-point just to get to work, and then 2 hour line up on the way back; showing your id, randomally corralled and cavidy searched. Seriously. You would grow up completly numb. Completely without value. Irrational.
Sound like our terriorists, hunh? What happens if we actually *made* those terrorists with our own actions? What do we have to say for ourselves?
I say now is not the time for comdemnation, but a time for reflection. Let us not judge those less we walk in their shoes and drink from their cup. Let us not restrict the freedoms of others less we loose our democracy. Let us follow the doctrine of the second testiment, the god of compassion. Let us not give fishes, but teach those in need to fish. Let's stop being so selfish and self-righteous. Only when we have humility can we truly be in the position to defend ouselves to the world, and then we won't have to. Reasonably people will abhor talks of terrorism against the united states.
Kind Regards,
Clark Evans
AT 12:55 in the Senate today Senator Kerry just suggested that we should rebuild the twin towers. He went on to say that this is the only adequate monument that could possibly be raised, a tribute to our democracy and capitalism. He said to those who would mark the new building as a target: "We have no shortage of tall buildings or monuments; this is not a question of targets, it is a question of our strength and of our national resolve."
This was posted to Jerry Pournelle's site.
...
Dear Jerry,
Following is a message which my one of my best friends passed along with permission to distribute to those who might be interested. It fills in the details that I missed in my original conversation with him and attempted to relate to you.
Tom has given me permission to distribute the message - please feel free to post it if you deem it appropriate.
Sincerely,
Art Russell Major, US Army (Retired)
Message Follows:
Today was a tragedy for all of America and to my family, a very personal one. Lynn and my Niece Liz's husband, Jeremy Glick was on United flight 93 this morning. When the Hijackers took control of flight 93. Jeremy called my niece who in-turn conferenced him to 911. Jeremy relayed to the police what was happening as the hijacking unfolded. As our niece Liz listened, Jeremy told the police there were three Arab terrorists with knives and a large red box that they claimed contained a bomb. Jeremy tracked the second by second details and relayed them to the police by phone. After several minutes of describing the scene, Jeremy and several other passengers decided there was nothing to lose by rushing the hijackers. Although United Flight 93 crashed outside of Pittsburgh, with the loss of all souls. Jeremy and the other patriotic heroes saved the lives of many people on the ground that would have died if the Arab terrorists had been able to complete their heinous mission.
Please offer your prayers for all of those who perished or were injured in this tragic of all days and to our niece Liz Glick and her 2-month-old child, Emerson, who are left without their loving Husband and Father.
May we remember Jeremy and the other brave souls as heroes, soldiers and Americans' on United flight 93 whom so gallantry gave their lives to save many others.
Lynn, our four adult children and I are headed to New York to be with our family during this time of great sadness
All of my best,
Tom
We find
It looks like all passengers and flight personnel (including the pilots) on the the flight bound for Pentagon were herded to the back of the plane by hijackers armed with knives and cardboard cutters.
This just goes to show we have no public training on how to handle this situtation. I don't think a "high-tech" solution, like banning encryption is needed. How about something simple... educate the public?
"This looks like the signature of Osama bin Laden," said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, who had been briefed by high-level government officials on the attacks. "We're going to find out who did this and we're going after the bastards."
Sen. John Kerry, D-Massachusetts, agreed."I have no doubt in my mind it's Osama bin Laden," he told CNN. "It's very much in keeping with the threats he has made."
Bush: "Make no mistake, The United States will hunt down and punish those responsible for these cowardly acts"
Yes. Even in the same locations. Looks like we found our perpertrator.
If this is indeed an attack from Palistine, I must say, I really cannot blame them.
I've heared countless stories of humiliation of the Palistine peoples on behalf of the Isralies...
We support the Isralies...
*sigh*
From the article
Mecham (the bad guy) wrote:
While the committee's report is indisputably strong and viable, I believe you may wish to respond to those privacy concerns which are legitimate, such as protecting the confidentiality of official chambers communications. I believe that making the minor changes suggested above will respond to those privacy concerns and help forge consensus on the committee's recommendations.
Thus, they didn't blink. He said that the Judge has a few minor concerns, strictly limited to chamber communication. This is far from over.