I think the point he was trying to make is that if he has to go through all the pain of converting a DRMed file why not juts skip tat and download it for free in non-DRM format in the first place?
That's the thing I don't get about this arguement. As a personal anecdote I was in a popular IRC book pirating channel on the day Harry potter 5 was released. Piracy was happening so fast in there that you were able to get each chapter from scans as you were finishing the previous one.
The fact is ebooks couldn't make book piracy any simpler than it already is. The pirates have already got it covered
Disclaimer: I own the HP series in hard copy as well as any other books I download that are legally available in my area.
You know, the analogy is somewhat unneeded in this case, though pretty apt. Try this:
John Doe likes DOSing servers, he buys a fat 8Gbps pipe, tells his friends how he bought it to DoS servers then DOSes the itunes servers. How much jail time/fines does John Doe get?
Technically, if you own the game and copy it to SD card yourself then it is format shifting, not piracy. Owning the game and downloading it is often illegal, but morally I'd consider it not piracy. Downloading games you don't own is piracy.
Does the standard run linux or windows?
Which of the 400 different controllers on the PC market do you use? And which drivers?
ATI or Nvidia graphics? Because picking one locks out the other to a degree.
The reason consoles exist is because once you dictate a standard down to the point where everything always works you can pretty much only have a console.
I realise it would be awesome for me and most of my friends if developers dropped consoles and went PC full time but think of the children (GASP! it's relevant); Little Timmy doesn't want to spend any time fiddling with settings to make his new game work, he just wants to plug it in and go.
Script kiddie 1: I hax0red your Box and deleted your pronz lol!
Script kiddie 2: Well I hax0red your Box, enjoy your broken arm.
It's somewhat frustrating that a lot of possibly cool consumer goodies are ruined by their potential to kill/injure the user. If only humanity wouldn't inevitably find the way to damage themselves.
I'd be more likely to think the average age of death for obese people/smokers would be closer to 60, at this point you're on government paid pensions in my country. Healthy people could be running on welfare dollars for 30 years more.
The "average" ratio on, for example bit torrent should always be 100% since everyone downloading is getting the file from someone else that downloaded it. I guess the original seeder would put the ratio slightly above 100% but I'm sure you get my point.
The thing is that average is likely propped up by a small minority of high ratio users and your average john doe would have a low ratio. From reporting here, the RIAA has been going after average people rather than high ratio people. at a guess I'd say my ratio never topped 80%, which is pretty good IMO as my max upload was 1/4 of my max download. My point is that most people will only ever upload maximum 1 CD for each CD. Even with double dipping by charging uploader and downloader it would make most people liable for 2X[cost of CD] not 100,000 X[cost of CD]
Seems people have graduated from not reading the article, just the summary to only reading the title. Would help if the titles were more vague/accurate though.
I can see your point there but in my admittedly limited experience, religions tend to take an absolute view when they tell you to do/not do something. I'd be interested in seeing any situations, particularly in Christian religions, when "god says" type rules have an "unless" clause if you know any off the top of your head.
To those people that pointed out the difference between dogma and church law, I get the distinction now and was perhaps using a bad example, I was trying to refer to things that are essentially considered "god's will" So I guess that means dogma but for the common man I can't see much difference between dogma and what the church is telling you is correct.
That is the thing, artificial legs for this guy just happened so I can't personally call it cheating. HOWEVER, if they let him in then the dude that goes "hey, 25% increase in efficiency, make me 2 feet shorter and hook me up doc!" Would have someone to point to as a precedent to letting him in.
On the Chess side of things I had a friend in high school that could pick up radio transmissions on his hearing aids so that is the probable reason they were banned, plus it's no disadvantage in chess to not be able to hear.
I think you missed just why the church changing with the times is silly.
Let's say I stand up last week and say "God says we should only wear black shirts all the time". This is god's will so we should clearly obey it. Come summer black shirts are suddenly a really bad idea so I say. "Uhh, maybe god doesn't mind if we don't wear black shirts all the time".
By claiming that your rules are divine will at ANY point in time means that they must be divine will at ALL points in time as divinity by its very nature is unchanging. So if you have a rule that says "God says priests can't marry" then changing it is not something you can ever do without putting the lie to all your other "god says" rules.
Try this, get a big, familiar yellow M and copy it onto a bunch of red t-shirts. See how long it takes for you to get a Mac. lawsuit when you try to sell them. Sure, you aren't selling burger but you are still infringing trademark.
The fact is Ford has licensed companies to sell Ford branded calenders. How would it look to those companies if Ford let the BMC get away with doing it for free?
What impresses me is areas where google has street view. Spend a couple minutes cruising around the map and you could get a shot of the exact spot you are standing on. This map for instance shows the approximate range you need to cover. Now if I was standing in front of Macy's, where in this picture would I be?
Very cool in my opinion. That said, if you can afford data charges for google maps, you have GPS on your phone already.
This reeks of someone at the ESRB being bought to me. The games content certainly feels like adult material. I wouldn't like to think of my kid-brother, at 16, playing it. He's nowhere near mature enough. The 'AO' standard really is a better fit for this particular title, unless they have made some changes that I'm not aware of...
Seems to me that this is where the problem lies. People just don't know what the ratings mean. According to the ESRB website, only T games and below are suitable for your kid brother. The description for M rating sounds pretty damn close to a Manhunt game to me. Since most of Manhunt is about sneaking around AVOIDING conflict I'd hardly think there would be "prolonged scenes of intense violence" in any frequency.
MATURE
Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.
ADULTS ONLY
Titles rated AO (Adults Only) have content that should only be played by persons 18 years and older. Titles in this category may include prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and nudity.
Current system: I invest $100, sell my product for a few weeks and make $1 billion (extreme example YMMV) then vanish to Bahama. In this case no one else is legally able to sell my product, essentially killing it and losing any benefit to science and the arts it would have provided (legally anyway, something that profitable is definitely going to be stripped and reverse engineered).
GPP's Situation: As above except by the time I've vanished with my profits some other company can start [legally] producing my invention, world wins. The only loophole is that someone could move in on me bang on when I hit $1000 but frankly I only have a right to make money off my invention, not to become ludicrously rich. How would the world be today if some of the great american inventions stopped inventing because they knew they, their family and the 5 shell companies they founded can all get fat off the riches of a patent on lightbulbs?
Heh, it's yellow and blatantly obvious on my screen what is paid for. On top of that Google is FREE so how can anything they do even be considered the province of a body that exists to "Promote competition and fair trade in the market place" yay for Google for that quote. Since you aren't paying anything for the service, what right do you have to dictate how it is presented?
Reading the article though, Trading Post's role in this stinks badly, they are definitely at fault for infringing on trademarks in their advertisements. Perhaps Google needed some more diligence from this angle as well but they have every right to present whatever data they want for any given search. If every search returned the goatse man when safe searching is disabled then that is Google's choice, they have no responsibility to be even the slightest bit accurate IMO. If Google were legally held to a standard of accuracy that would be extremely bad.
Side note: No sponsored ads for me in Firefox, thought they had stopped showing them for Australians but it turns out adblock is awesome.
so if I get trusted software version 1.(n+1) and have to install it as admin - I do this monthly by the way - and the program asks me to elevate its privileges so it can install (which it does) I should get a bitch slap for saying yes? Why should windows have to tell if I'm being an idiot or not?
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I think the point he was trying to make is that if he has to go through all the pain of converting a DRMed file why not juts skip tat and download it for free in non-DRM format in the first place?
That's the thing I don't get about this arguement.
As a personal anecdote I was in a popular IRC book pirating channel on the day Harry potter 5 was released. Piracy was happening so fast in there that you were able to get each chapter from scans as you were finishing the previous one.
The fact is ebooks couldn't make book piracy any simpler than it already is. The pirates have already got it covered
Disclaimer: I own the HP series in hard copy as well as any other books I download that are legally available in my area.
You know, the analogy is somewhat unneeded in this case, though pretty apt. Try this:
John Doe likes DOSing servers, he buys a fat 8Gbps pipe, tells his friends how he bought it to DoS servers then DOSes the itunes servers. How much jail time/fines does John Doe get?
Technically, if you own the game and copy it to SD card yourself then it is format shifting, not piracy. Owning the game and downloading it is often illegal, but morally I'd consider it not piracy. Downloading games you don't own is piracy.
Two valid points,but I'd be leaning more towards:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea
Computer: "is piracy illegal?"
Student: "Yes"
Faculty: "You deliberately did something illegal!"
Does the standard run linux or windows?
Which of the 400 different controllers on the PC market do you use? And which drivers?
ATI or Nvidia graphics? Because picking one locks out the other to a degree.
The reason consoles exist is because once you dictate a standard down to the point where everything always works you can pretty much only have a console.
I realise it would be awesome for me and most of my friends if developers dropped consoles and went PC full time but think of the children (GASP! it's relevant); Little Timmy doesn't want to spend any time fiddling with settings to make his new game work, he just wants to plug it in and go.
I can see it now:
Script kiddie 1: I hax0red your Box and deleted your pronz lol!
Script kiddie 2: Well I hax0red your Box, enjoy your broken arm.
It's somewhat frustrating that a lot of possibly cool consumer goodies are ruined by their potential to kill/injure the user. If only humanity wouldn't inevitably find the way to damage themselves.
I read it like this:
Semantic web getting real [player]
and immediately thought "it was bad enough when the original web got it"
I'd be more likely to think the average age of death for obese people/smokers would be closer to 60, at this point you're on government paid pensions in my country. Healthy people could be running on welfare dollars for 30 years more.
The "average" ratio on, for example bit torrent should always be 100% since everyone downloading is getting the file from someone else that downloaded it. I guess the original seeder would put the ratio slightly above 100% but I'm sure you get my point.
The thing is that average is likely propped up by a small minority of high ratio users and your average john doe would have a low ratio. From reporting here, the RIAA has been going after average people rather than high ratio people. at a guess I'd say my ratio never topped 80%, which is pretty good IMO as my max upload was 1/4 of my max download. My point is that most people will only ever upload maximum 1 CD for each CD. Even with double dipping by charging uploader and downloader it would make most people liable for 2X[cost of CD] not 100,000 X[cost of CD]
"NYC Wants to Ban Geiger Counters"
Seems people have graduated from not reading the article, just the summary to only reading the title. Would help if the titles were more vague/accurate though.
I can see your point there but in my admittedly limited experience, religions tend to take an absolute view when they tell you to do/not do something. I'd be interested in seeing any situations, particularly in Christian religions, when "god says" type rules have an "unless" clause if you know any off the top of your head.
To those people that pointed out the difference between dogma and church law, I get the distinction now and was perhaps using a bad example, I was trying to refer to things that are essentially considered "god's will" So I guess that means dogma but for the common man I can't see much difference between dogma and what the church is telling you is correct.
That is the thing, artificial legs for this guy just happened so I can't personally call it cheating. HOWEVER, if they let him in then the dude that goes "hey, 25% increase in efficiency, make me 2 feet shorter and hook me up doc!" Would have someone to point to as a precedent to letting him in.
On the Chess side of things I had a friend in high school that could pick up radio transmissions on his hearing aids so that is the probable reason they were banned, plus it's no disadvantage in chess to not be able to hear.
I think you missed just why the church changing with the times is silly.
Let's say I stand up last week and say "God says we should only wear black shirts all the time". This is god's will so we should clearly obey it. Come summer black shirts are suddenly a really bad idea so I say. "Uhh, maybe god doesn't mind if we don't wear black shirts all the time".
By claiming that your rules are divine will at ANY point in time means that they must be divine will at ALL points in time as divinity by its very nature is unchanging. So if you have a rule that says "God says priests can't marry" then changing it is not something you can ever do without putting the lie to all your other "god says" rules.
Try this, get a big, familiar yellow M and copy it onto a bunch of red t-shirts. See how long it takes for you to get a Mac. lawsuit when you try to sell them. Sure, you aren't selling burger but you are still infringing trademark. The fact is Ford has licensed companies to sell Ford branded calenders. How would it look to those companies if Ford let the BMC get away with doing it for free?
What impresses me is areas where google has street view. Spend a couple minutes cruising around the map and you could get a shot of the exact spot you are standing on.
This map for instance shows the approximate range you need to cover. Now if I was standing in front of Macy's, where in this picture would I be?
Very cool in my opinion. That said, if you can afford data charges for google maps, you have GPS on your phone already.
This reeks of someone at the ESRB being bought to me. The games content certainly feels like adult material. I wouldn't like to think of my kid-brother, at 16, playing it. He's nowhere near mature enough. The 'AO' standard really is a better fit for this particular title, unless they have made some changes that I'm not aware of...
Seems to me that this is where the problem lies. People just don't know what the ratings mean. According to the ESRB website, only T games and below are suitable for your kid brother. The description for M rating sounds pretty damn close to a Manhunt game to me. Since most of Manhunt is about sneaking around AVOIDING conflict I'd hardly think there would be "prolonged scenes of intense violence" in any frequency.
MATURE
Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.
ADULTS ONLY
Titles rated AO (Adults Only) have content that should only be played by persons 18 years and older. Titles in this category may include prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and nudity.
Hell, turn your TV face up Ala Gallaga and put the wiimote on the roof and you've got some high level awesome right there.
I think you aren't getting his point.
Current system: I invest $100, sell my product for a few weeks and make $1 billion (extreme example YMMV) then vanish to Bahama. In this case no one else is legally able to sell my product, essentially killing it and losing any benefit to science and the arts it would have provided (legally anyway, something that profitable is definitely going to be stripped and reverse engineered).
GPP's Situation: As above except by the time I've vanished with my profits some other company can start [legally] producing my invention, world wins. The only loophole is that someone could move in on me bang on when I hit $1000 but frankly I only have a right to make money off my invention, not to become ludicrously rich. How would the world be today if some of the great american inventions stopped inventing because they knew they, their family and the 5 shell companies they founded can all get fat off the riches of a patent on lightbulbs?
All well and true, except that the discussion was about hard drives and now it is about Nazis so there we go with how Godwin's eventually works.
Heh, it's yellow and blatantly obvious on my screen what is paid for. On top of that Google is FREE so how can anything they do even be considered the province of a body that exists to "Promote competition and fair trade in the market place" yay for Google for that quote. Since you aren't paying anything for the service, what right do you have to dictate how it is presented?
Reading the article though, Trading Post's role in this stinks badly, they are definitely at fault for infringing on trademarks in their advertisements. Perhaps Google needed some more diligence from this angle as well but they have every right to present whatever data they want for any given search. If every search returned the goatse man when safe searching is disabled then that is Google's choice, they have no responsibility to be even the slightest bit accurate IMO. If Google were legally held to a standard of accuracy that would be extremely bad.
Side note: No sponsored ads for me in Firefox, thought they had stopped showing them for Australians but it turns out adblock is awesome.
...and the human race ended because bob forgot to disable wifi. Damn.
so if I get trusted software version 1.(n+1) and have to install it as admin - I do this monthly by the way - and the program asks me to elevate its privileges so it can install (which it does) I should get a bitch slap for saying yes? Why should windows have to tell if I'm being an idiot or not?
wait, you can't run programs that do things with the users' permission on linux? How odd.