Honestly, what is the benefit to our species as a whole to continue to create genetically wrong humans Like fish with legs? Evolution is driven by mutation, weird things that may or may not work under various conditions. Greater genetic diversity is the driving force of evolution, even if the benefits are not immediately apparent. Besides, without that empathy you speak of, humans would just be weak, yet intelligent, monkeys. Its that empathy that has allowed humans to build a civilization and become the dominant species on the planet. Without that empathy, do you think we'd have any of Stephen Hawking's theories? Hasn't that empathy, caring for the 'unfit' paid off? It seems it is you who doesn't know how evolution works.
Eugenics might work in the short run, but I doubt it would be a very bad thing in the long run. First off, by selecting such traits, you decrease the amount of genetic difference between offspring. Sure, they might all live to be 120 and be able to bench press a truck, but that won't be much consolation when a single virus kills everyone. I find the commercial banana to be a good example. Years of breeding the best fruit and healthiest plants, and it is very possible that a single disease could ravage the population because of that lead to too much genetic similarity between plants. You can also look at the cheetah population to see the long term results of a small breeding pool. You stop the 'unfit' from breeding, you're going to have one hell of a mess on your hands in a few generations. Personally, I'll take cancer and obesity over crippling birth defects and constant fear of illness.
And besides, evolutionarly speaking, life evolves by trying new and weird things. Maybe fat and ugly is the next phase in human evolution. Do you know? Do you think anyone knows enough to direct human evolution? Then shut up.
Oh, and there's the fact that you'd have to be one immoral bastard to decide that certain groups arn't allowed to have kids.
Probably because that's the second time today the first comment was some inane religion bashing post that was neither funny nor on topic. Sorry, but it's pretty old, and it gets the trolls going.
Holy shit, are you telling me that a group that is, on average, less affluent and has poorer education actually scores lower on tests that measure intelligence. Wow, you've got a deathgrip on the obvious! Hey, just for fun, lets through out the scientific method, ignore the fact that that, on average, blacks and whites have different environmental factors, and attribute the whole thing to genetics, despite the fact that there are a shitload of utterly brilliant black people out there. With a little fact twisting, data manipulation, and some fabricated numbers from a few decades ago, we can get science to fit centuries old and scientifically unfounded preconceptions! Yay!
Back in the real world, we'll call it what it is: racism. An archaic notion for the simpleminded who need some excuse to make themselves feel superior. Explain to me how it is that hundreds, I mean, thousands, check that, MILLIONS of blacks operate on the same level as whites if they're so dumb. Oh, never mind, I know that one: intelligence is a result of social factors, race has nothing to do with it..
I'll see your Lynn and raise you a Flynn. Of course, the rising IQ Flynn observed was rising far too fast for genetics to have been involved, which says a lot about the genetic aspect of IQ.
One thing I'd like to point out about the intro is that it's just that: an intro to a movie. Nothing more. As a Trevor type who descended from a Clevon type, I find it sad that so many people are so ignorant of genetics/sociology (and full of themselves, like Wonder Gamete here) to believe that the 'idiots' are going to overpopulate and subsequently take over the world unless the 'smart' people do something about it. Lamarckian evolution was proved false long ago; just because a group of people isn't educated and therefore doesn't make use of their intelligence does not mean that their children will be stupid. They're just more likely to go uneducated and continue the cycle. What I'm saying is, it's nothing a little education couldn't cure, and even if nothing is done about it, intelligent people will never die out, they'll just rise up from 'unintelligent' sources. /soapbox.
Come off it. I know a creations who's an architect. Do you know more about architecture than her? I know one who's a nuclear engineer. What do you know about nuclear engineering? I know creations in the fields of medicine, physics, chemistry, law, biology, engineering, ect, ect, ect. Are you telling me that because they're unscientific in that one aspect that they're all idiots? Millions of creationists, and not a single intellectual in the bunch? Somehow, I doubt that's even remotely the case.
Those nations could encourage economic prosperity that would encourage their citizens to create web pages, thus increasing how much of the internet they 'control'.......or they could just bitch that the people who invented the internet used their native language.
There is a genetic cap on how valuable an individual can become The complete and proper reply to such a comment is as follows: Bullshit. I'm sure your genetic cap is thought the roof; genetic determinists always have the best genes, funny how that works.. Seriously, read a sociology book or something. Maybe a black history book, too; people said that every black person who accomplished something great was 'genetically inferior' too. And the Mismeasure of Man, read that one. That genetic cap stuff makes no more sense than divine right of monarchs. Its elitist, classist (and usually racist/sexist), harmful to society, and scientifically unfounded. Besides, there are exceptions on every level; are you really trying to tell me we shouldn't even give people the chance to make something of themselves because some genetic deterministic asshole deemed them inferior; are you seriously saying we should just form a caste system to replace trying to give everyone a fair chance? Because that is one fucked up ideology you've got, and as an intelligent 'genetically challenged' person myself, shit like that is the stuff of nightmares.
The words do not have to be there in order for the principle to exist. Translation: Well, they're not there, and the constitution doesn't forbid religious institutions (or any group, of that matter) trying to sway the government, but if I shout 'Separation of Church and State' loud enough, people will just listen to me and not think for themselves.
Lobbies influence the government, interest groups influence the government, activists influence the government, got a reason religious organizations shouldn't?
Well, no, I'd say that the other 91% aren't spoiled rich kids in their entirety, but your own source says that 46% came from 'independent, parochial, and other schools,' again not indicating that they all came from elite prep schools, but I'd be willing to bet that a lot of that 46% did. That, to me, doesn't indicate that there were too many more people in the 20-50 grand range as are in the >$20,000 range. Most likely the vast majority of those who attended public schools were economically similar, and few went to 'bad neighborhood' schools. I will make note that I'm not accusing these people of being millionaires or anything; I consider anyone with an income over 75 grand to be quitee privileged.
While I do realize that Yale will financially help students who need it (and at their prices, most do), the barrier for many is still admission. Is it still a meritocracy if someone coming from a crappy school with apathetic, incompetent teachers is ranked against someone coming from an elite prep school, or even a significantly better public one? No, it remains, for the most part at least, an educational plutocracy. Have you met anyone at Yale who appeared to have been average at best in high shcool, but still got in by logically explaining the hindrances that few meet up with that they were fated to encounter, and were granted admission, not by achieving the near perfection of their fortunate peers, but by doing extremely well with what fate had dealt them and still retaining the will to succeed, lacking only the proper conditions to do so? I highly, highly doubt it.
there's a major-league law of diminishing returns with SAT coaching, which in practice means that you can coach a raw 500 kid to a 600, but it's a lot harder to coach a raw 600 kid to a 700, and no one ever coached a rich kid of average ability from a 500 to an 800 Source please. That sounds pretty unlikely to me. Besides, most of them where likely got highr scores before the SAT prep. The right schooling tends to produce high scorers, and even if they didn't get those scores, I don't find it plausible to believe that a good SAT tutor couldn't raise their score a very significant amount.. I'm not saying that the rich kids of Yale are necessarily idiots (although I won't refrain from calling them such), merely average and lucky to have had the right conditions to succeed.
So, yes, I still do believe that most of Yale's (or any Ivy, for that matter) students are 'idiots' who got in because they were born in to the right people. I would like to believe otherwise, but will not do so until the facts say otherwise.
And by the way, your source also makes no mention of work study.
Only 9% were even eligible for a Pell Grant. They're not all spoiled rich kids, but I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority are. It's pretty sad how unimportant the mental aspects of students are in higher education highest colleges, but in the battle between brains and blood, education and plutocracy, bet on the bad guys:(
I think Trey Parker put it best when he said, "Out of all the ridiculous religion stories -- which are greatly, wonderfully ridiculous -- the silliest one I've ever heard is, 'Yeah, there's this big, giant universe and it's expanding and it's all going to collapse on itself and we're all just here, just 'cuz. Just 'cuz. That to me, is the most ridiculous explanation ever."
Sorry, but that's probably not going to happen. The oil lobbies are too powerful, and won't hesitate to to make sure this never sees the market. It's happened before.
Have you ever heard of Synsepalum dulcificum, aka the Miracle berry? It contains a substance called Miraculin that alters the way humans taste. Basically, sour becomes sweet when you have some of it make contact with your tongue. Sounds like a great low calorie sugar substitute, right? I mean, sugar's not good for you, and this stuff would eliminate the need to put sugar in a lot of products.
Well, Miraculin was isolated, proven safe, but couldn't go to the market because the sugar lobby gave it the smack down. They knew that it could ravage the sugar industry, so they played strong arm. If this Ciguatoxin is proven safe and usable for keeping warm, and people would only need to heat their homes to safe levels instead of warm and comfortable tempatures, I'd wager that the oil industry would do the same thing and get the FDA to declare this stuff unsafe as well.
Thanks for sharing that link. I just realized that I recently purchased multiple albums on the list, and now feel like a total swine. I'll do my homework next time.
Big-name computer makers fear that the XO will steal away an overlooked two-billion-person market. Why should anyone care what they think? If they're not going to produce a similar product that that two billion person market can afford, to heck with them. Of course they'll loose the sale if no one can afford their product.
Flamebait: Because there's no such thing as -1 Disagree. Come on, where am I wrong with the idea that resources should be used wisely, never mind the mutterings of luddites?
Come off it, that's just spreading paranoia. Is is ZOMG BiG BrOtHeR!!!1! when cops do this the old fashioned way? This is just law enforcement using better tools. It's just one less things for cops to do, aka one more (probably better) thing they can be doing elsewhere.
Do you think we should just stop using technology because it has the possibility to be abused?
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That's called heterosis, and it's another reason of why eugenics doesn't work.
Eugenics might work in the short run, but I doubt it would be a very bad thing in the long run. First off, by selecting such traits, you decrease the amount of genetic difference between offspring. Sure, they might all live to be 120 and be able to bench press a truck, but that won't be much consolation when a single virus kills everyone. I find the commercial banana to be a good example. Years of breeding the best fruit and healthiest plants, and it is very possible that a single disease could ravage the population because of that lead to too much genetic similarity between plants. You can also look at the cheetah population to see the long term results of a small breeding pool. You stop the 'unfit' from breeding, you're going to have one hell of a mess on your hands in a few generations. Personally, I'll take cancer and obesity over crippling birth defects and constant fear of illness.
And besides, evolutionarly speaking, life evolves by trying new and weird things. Maybe fat and ugly is the next phase in human evolution. Do you know? Do you think anyone knows enough to direct human evolution? Then shut up.
Oh, and there's the fact that you'd have to be one immoral bastard to decide that certain groups arn't allowed to have kids.
Probably because that's the second time today the first comment was some inane religion bashing post that was neither funny nor on topic. Sorry, but it's pretty old, and it gets the trolls going.
Holy shit, are you telling me that a group that is, on average, less affluent and has poorer education actually scores lower on tests that measure intelligence. Wow, you've got a deathgrip on the obvious! Hey, just for fun, lets through out the scientific method, ignore the fact that that, on average, blacks and whites have different environmental factors, and attribute the whole thing to genetics, despite the fact that there are a shitload of utterly brilliant black people out there. With a little fact twisting, data manipulation, and some fabricated numbers from a few decades ago, we can get science to fit centuries old and scientifically unfounded preconceptions! Yay!
Back in the real world, we'll call it what it is: racism. An archaic notion for the simpleminded who need some excuse to make themselves feel superior. Explain to me how it is that hundreds, I mean, thousands, check that, MILLIONS of blacks operate on the same level as whites if they're so dumb. Oh, never mind, I know that one: intelligence is a result of social factors, race has nothing to do with it..
I'll see your Lynn and raise you a Flynn. Of course, the rising IQ Flynn observed was rising far too fast for genetics to have been involved, which says a lot about the genetic aspect of IQ.
One thing I'd like to point out about the intro is that it's just that: an intro to a movie. Nothing more. As a Trevor type who descended from a Clevon type, I find it sad that so many people are so ignorant of genetics/sociology (and full of themselves, like Wonder Gamete here) to believe that the 'idiots' are going to overpopulate and subsequently take over the world unless the 'smart' people do something about it. Lamarckian evolution was proved false long ago; just because a group of people isn't educated and therefore doesn't make use of their intelligence does not mean that their children will be stupid. They're just more likely to go uneducated and continue the cycle. What I'm saying is, it's nothing a little education couldn't cure, and even if nothing is done about it, intelligent people will never die out, they'll just rise up from 'unintelligent' sources.
/soapbox.
Sub-Terrania (Sega Genesis)? Great music, really good at setting the mood on some levels. I love the Crystal Space track.
Come off it. I know a creations who's an architect. Do you know more about architecture than her? I know one who's a nuclear engineer. What do you know about nuclear engineering? I know creations in the fields of medicine, physics, chemistry, law, biology, engineering, ect, ect, ect. Are you telling me that because they're unscientific in that one aspect that they're all idiots? Millions of creationists, and not a single intellectual in the bunch? Somehow, I doubt that's even remotely the case.
I don't get it. Where's the funny?
Did you guys ever find the first couple of episodes, and how did you lose them anyway?
Those nations could encourage economic prosperity that would encourage their citizens to create web pages, thus increasing how much of the internet they 'control'.......or they could just bitch that the people who invented the internet used their native language.
Lobbies influence the government, interest groups influence the government, activists influence the government, got a reason religious organizations shouldn't?
While I do realize that Yale will financially help students who need it (and at their prices, most do), the barrier for many is still admission. Is it still a meritocracy if someone coming from a crappy school with apathetic, incompetent teachers is ranked against someone coming from an elite prep school, or even a significantly better public one? No, it remains, for the most part at least, an educational plutocracy. Have you met anyone at Yale who appeared to have been average at best in high shcool, but still got in by logically explaining the hindrances that few meet up with that they were fated to encounter, and were granted admission, not by achieving the near perfection of their fortunate peers, but by doing extremely well with what fate had dealt them and still retaining the will to succeed, lacking only the proper conditions to do so? I highly, highly doubt it. there's a major-league law of diminishing returns with SAT coaching, which in practice means that you can coach a raw 500 kid to a 600, but it's a lot harder to coach a raw 600 kid to a 700, and no one ever coached a rich kid of average ability from a 500 to an 800 Source please. That sounds pretty unlikely to me. Besides, most of them where likely got highr scores before the SAT prep. The right schooling tends to produce high scorers, and even if they didn't get those scores, I don't find it plausible to believe that a good SAT tutor couldn't raise their score a very significant amount.. I'm not saying that the rich kids of Yale are necessarily idiots (although I won't refrain from calling them such), merely average and lucky to have had the right conditions to succeed.
So, yes, I still do believe that most of Yale's (or any Ivy, for that matter) students are 'idiots' who got in because they were born in to the right people. I would like to believe otherwise, but will not do so until the facts say otherwise.
And by the way, your source also makes no mention of work study.
Only 9% were even eligible for a Pell Grant. They're not all spoiled rich kids, but I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority are. It's pretty sad how unimportant the mental aspects of students are in higher education highest colleges, but in the battle between brains and blood, education and plutocracy, bet on the bad guys :(
I think Trey Parker put it best when he said, "Out of all the ridiculous religion stories -- which are greatly, wonderfully ridiculous -- the silliest one I've ever heard is, 'Yeah, there's this big, giant universe and it's expanding and it's all going to collapse on itself and we're all just here, just 'cuz. Just 'cuz. That to me, is the most ridiculous explanation ever."
Sorry, but that's probably not going to happen. The oil lobbies are too powerful, and won't hesitate to to make sure this never sees the market. It's happened before.
Have you ever heard of Synsepalum dulcificum, aka the Miracle berry? It contains a substance called Miraculin that alters the way humans taste. Basically, sour becomes sweet when you have some of it make contact with your tongue. Sounds like a great low calorie sugar substitute, right? I mean, sugar's not good for you, and this stuff would eliminate the need to put sugar in a lot of products.
Well, Miraculin was isolated, proven safe, but couldn't go to the market because the sugar lobby gave it the smack down. They knew that it could ravage the sugar industry, so they played strong arm. If this Ciguatoxin is proven safe and usable for keeping warm, and people would only need to heat their homes to safe levels instead of warm and comfortable tempatures, I'd wager that the oil industry would do the same thing and get the FDA to declare this stuff unsafe as well.
Go even has its on Linix distro: Hikarunix.
Thanks for sharing that link. I just realized that I recently purchased multiple albums on the list, and now feel like a total swine. I'll do my homework next time.
Flamebait: Because there's no such thing as -1 Disagree. Come on, where am I wrong with the idea that resources should be used wisely, never mind the mutterings of luddites?
Come off it, that's just spreading paranoia. Is is ZOMG BiG BrOtHeR!!!1! when cops do this the old fashioned way? This is just law enforcement using better tools. It's just one less things for cops to do, aka one more (probably better) thing they can be doing elsewhere.
Do you think we should just stop using technology because it has the possibility to be abused?
...well, this is embarrassing...my mistake. I guess I'll try to RTFA from now on.