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Fish Poison Makes Hot Feel Cold and Vice Versa
SoyChemist writes "Ciguatoxin causes bizarre neurological symptoms including temperature reversal, a burning sensation, and an imaginary feeling of loose teeth. It is produced by algae and accumulates in the fatty flesh of tropical fish. While traveling to the tropics, a man from England ate some bad seafood that contained the unusual poison. His story, and the tale of some unfortunate sailors of an earlier age who suffered the same affliction, appeared in the current issue of Practical Neurology and was summarized on the Wired Science Blog. Both the Wired blog and the peer-reviewed journal neglected to mention that the potent neurotoxin has been made from scratch by organic chemists."
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paradoxical dysaesthesia is hot.
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So since when is poison causing bodily harm and unusual feeling news?
Wow! Imagine what a beowulf cluster of those would feel like!
Help Me! I'm trapped in the tubes! Oh noes! Here comes a internet!
Bad time for bad fish.
Errr I mean...Hot!
Ah yes, good old XNOR poison... It's been a long time old friend.
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C'mon, this is common knowledge among people who hang around the pacific. If you catch a large fish, don't eat the whole thing... eat some, and share around to dilute the risk. People have known this for over 30 years. Large fish have higher risk just because they are older.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciguatera
...would "Practical Neurology" be where you go if you're planning on having a drinking buddy do your brain surgery?
the Japanese Agriculture Ministry is not in charge of gundam but they apparently are responsible for the synthetisis of imaginary loose teeth inducing poison.
Sir, if we invert the polarity of the brain receptors we can create a quantum power surge that will destroy the pirate ship. I just need these algae.
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The article failed to mention where can I get some of this poison? I need to cut down on my heating bill this winter.
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In the Sea of Cortés (Golfo de California), there is a fish known by locals as the 'botete'. It is a type of puffer fish. It causes exactly this kind of problem.
Very interesting the way neurotoxins work...
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Fish poisson?
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It would be great if we found a way to selectively "switch" some receptors. Like, when people suffer from burns to ease their pain. Or maybe in a deodorant that tells your skin it's freezing so you don't sweat in the first place.
The former I'm not too sure about (whether it works or is even a good idea), the latter sounds silly to me, so what could we make out of that? I'm usually not someone asking for applications for a discovery to be "useful", but this is intriguing. Anyone got an idea what to do with that?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
the potent neurotoxin has been made from scratch by organic chemists ...who are at this moment being transported to Guantanamo Bay for "re-education".
Given the state of our NHS and the mythical availability of dental treatment, I wouldn't put the blame for any feeling of loose teeth down to poison alone...
Someone must have patented a method for getting atoms to rearrange into clusters (hereinafter referred to as molecules) of a desired composition with test tubes and bunsen burners and stuff...
At the bottom of the
Don't give the Bush administration any more ideas.
When the axe came to the forest, the trees said, "Look out - the handle was once one of us."
US Coast Guard has stopped a shipment of fish fat from being delivered off the coast of Florida. The smugglers claimed to be mere fishermen, but when one of them was burned by a splash of water, authorities became suspicious.
Can do this too. And cheaper.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
"... summarized on the Wired Science Blog." or Weird Science Blog, going by the weird scientific articles being posted on there.
In soviet russia, unusual fish poison that makes you feel hot as cold and cold as hot makes you feel hot as hot and cold as cold.
Why is the assumption always that
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Personally, I have enjoyed the odd view some of my fellow
Enjoy the moment, we have so few.
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....Rectal Cranial Inversion. Sadly, most people already suffer from the latter without knowing.
Now that it's been synthesized, will this become the next recreational drug in countries where it's legal?
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described the amusing case in the October issue of Practical Neurology
Amusing?
including temperature reversal, intense pruritus and increased nociception [...] improved over a period of 10 months
This sounds very unpleasant. This might be amusing if it happened to Osama, but otherwise, this isn't something you'd wish on someone's dog.
and I tried to tell my mom!
Poissons = Poison
I always enjoy reading stories like this where some interesting or subtle medical effect is at work. It evokes images of proactive doctors working closely with patients to really understand their problems and symptoms, delving deep into the pathology of whatever condition they are complaining about. But in my experience, typical doctors in the US are not in the least bit interested in actually studying medical conditions that come across their desk (or, more appropriately, forwarding the situation on to a research pathologist). They usually have a pragmatic "if it hurts when you do that, then don't do that" or "if you are bleeding, I can help you but otherwise you are on your own" attitude. If I came to my doctor and said "hot and cold are reversed after I ate some shellfish," I'm pretty sure the response would be "then don't eat it next time, it just happens to some unlucky people. Drink some water, get some rest, it will go away in a month. That will be $200. Next!" In fact, I'm pretty sure the discussion of shellfish wouldn't even come up because the conversation never seems to get as far as that. I speak with some experience here because I have suffered from a couple of unusual (but not deadly) medical conditions. The response is always the same: "some unlucky people just have that and we don't know why. Have a nice day." Is it something I ate? Something I did? Something in my physiology? Something genetic? "We don't know. Have a nice day." But wouldn't they want to know? I blame this intellectual laziness on HMOs, which tend to put otherwise motivated doctors in a terrible bind. If a doctor wants to do some test to study an unusual condition, they have to justify it to a big business that will determine if the procedure was "necessary." If the procedure is deemed unnecessary but is done anyway, then the patient gets stuck with the bill. If the patient defaults, then the doctor must pay out of pocket. Such procedures are usually very expensive and doctors who do informative procedures that the HMO deems "unnecessary" (even if they are totally legitimate) can easily go bankrupt. In short, there is no motivation for doctors under HMOs to go the extra mile to really understand the cases they are studying in detail.
i\hbar\dot{\psi}=\hat{H}\psi
Symptoms last for 10 months and possibly more, I hope for you that its one long rave party because you are going to real unhappy if it's over before then.
I may agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to face the consequences of saying it.
I wonder if Ciquatoxin can make bad sex feel good.....
Knowing Google's lust for data collection, the Soviet Union is still alive and well inside the psyche of Sergey Brin....
Sorry, but that's probably not going to happen. The oil lobbies are too powerful, and won't hesitate to to make sure this never sees the market. It's happened before.
Have you ever heard of Synsepalum dulcificum, aka the Miracle berry? It contains a substance called Miraculin that alters the way humans taste. Basically, sour becomes sweet when you have some of it make contact with your tongue. Sounds like a great low calorie sugar substitute, right? I mean, sugar's not good for you, and this stuff would eliminate the need to put sugar in a lot of products.
Well, Miraculin was isolated, proven safe, but couldn't go to the market because the sugar lobby gave it the smack down. They knew that it could ravage the sugar industry, so they played strong arm. If this Ciguatoxin is proven safe and usable for keeping warm, and people would only need to heat their homes to safe levels instead of warm and comfortable tempatures, I'd wager that the oil industry would do the same thing and get the FDA to declare this stuff unsafe as well.
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Then why do the kids in the subway call each other "my nigger"? Part of racism is a double standard. It is no less racist for the-N-word to be forbidden to white men but acceptable from black men, than the obvious racism in the original troll post. Anyone who gets offended by me saying "nigger" and then goes on to enjoy the same word in their music is pretending at victimhood. That is the largest obstruction to clearing up the remaining real racism left in this country.
If you actually did lose your teeth, does it then cause phantom teeth syndrome? Cuz that would be the opposite I guess.
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... that this is the one fish poison I'll want to take all year?
(Think of the Eskimo market!)
timothy
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"what the hell is my wife taking that makes her cold even when I'm sweating bullets!"
Don't worry, in a few more years, she'll be feeling hot all the time. And she'll yell at you a lot. For no reason you're aware of.
But on the plus side, all your hair will fall out, and your children will consider you stupid. Which, all things considered, you are.
Enjoy staying home and posting on /.
to call it a cure! ;)
Tsunami -- You can't bring a good wave down!
I noticed that I always catch a fish minutes after my buddy arrives!
Tsunami -- You can't bring a good wave down!
If terrorists poisoned Canadians and Wisconsins with this, would the people be frightened and angry or would be happy that they could break out their shorts in the middle of winter?
Whén I was in the Séa of Cortés, wé éxpériéncéd that diséasé whén wé até Totuava caught thé day béforé. I think it wasn't cookéd thoroughly, so wé sufféréd from our stupidity. Cook the food, péoplé! Sushi'd bass, or anything éatén partially-cookéd is stupid. Yés, that means Japanésé are stupid too. Don't éat raw Japanésé; gotta cook thém all, gotta cook thém all!
PS: you shouldn't havé uséd that "é" thing in your post. Now I'll bé using it for the rémaindér of my trolling days on thé océans of Slashdot.
...then you're doing it wrong.
The solution is technical, not chemical.
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So let me get this straight... you're saying that the answer to global warming is this fish poison???
Does Al Gore know about this???
(Did he invent the stuff???)
hey won't dismiss you just like that. They'll first try two or three expensive medicines by the drug company sponsoring them that week, and THEN dismiss you. Well, after also prescribing the antidote (if any) to their earlier prescriptions.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Dude, if you stay in your Mom's basement chopping up body parts, you're not a nerd, you're Norman Bates.
That's an interesting question. There are many chronic pain disorders that still do not have a satisfactory treatment.
An example;
Polyneuropathy- (burning sensations, tingling, pain), the primary treatment is a nerve block (no, not a vulcan neck pinch). A long needle shoved into a nerve bundle.
Who would have thought that cayenne pepper concentrate, applied topically, would have been a good pain management technique?
Certainly this condition has been known of since Captain Cook but there are plenty of conditions that we only know about in a superficial way. Basic science and research are how we discover new pharmaceuticals and treatment regimens.
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XNOR is like logical equivalence, not like negation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XNOR_gate
If a baby duck is a "duckling," why would anyone want to eat "dumplings?"
Thank You AC - i have never understood why others don't get that - and while i normaly don't mod AC posts if i had had mod points today i would have +1 Under rated - people need to think abou this..
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Here's a pdf of the original article on the synthesis if anyone's interested. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pnas.org%2Fcgi%2Freprint%2F101%2F33%2F12013.pdf&ei=erUTR57JE5LEeYrayIYL&usg=AFQjCNEdKUQCEoCn2c5p0C-rHylZGOZqww&sig2=L95qB9-XEbWRsfJCe7J7Eg
I second that, sir.
Wow, a "christian" and a racist. You're just as bad as the trolls you posted under. Judging from your post history, it's hard to tell if you're a troll or just a moron. It seems you are equal parts of both.
Censorship? Hardly. You can still read the post. It's just that *educated* people are past your redneck inbred antebellum racist bullshit and thus such twaddle gets modded accordingly. Censorship. Riiiight.
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