At first I thought Marriott was going to fire this guy. Then I realized that he just gave himself job security. What network admin will want to deal with this particular nightmare? Not I.
Its all relative to your beliefs and principles. Someone who is of the liberal left will see CNN as more fair even if they do not see themselves as a part liberal left. While someone who is of the conservative right, damn stupid to identify with right or left anyways, will see Fox News as more fair. The fact is that both have their own agendas. Which is what I was trying to point out in the beginning by the way. To say otherwise is naive. I hate watching the news because the stories are so pathetically spun to support this or that view on both sides!!! The only thing that is honest about news anymore are the pundits!! And if you don't believe me why do journalists support one politician over another when they claim to be neutral? And why are their stories always supportive of their decisions? Both sides use the media as a battle field and I'm sick of it.
Every media outlet Fox, CNN, CBS, MSNBC, etc. Has its own agenda. To believe otherwise is just foolhardy. The only problem was that the Right felt misrepresented in the media and so Fox News became a bastion for them. Same as the CNN is a bastion for the left. Personally I can't stand either though the blunt spoken O'Reilly is hilarious to listen to every once in a while. That is the problem with creating a vacuum, something fills it. If the media had done their job properly and represented both sides instead of trying to control public opinion we wouldn't be in the mess we are now. And personally I blame Political Correctness for the fact that a lot of issues weren't represented in the media properly. Celebrities have always been easy, not to mention safe, targets.
I was just pointing out that businesses and governments as entities had just as much right to restrict access to information as you and I do. However, since you, and several others I might add, have treated my post as if it was advocating censorship in its entirety I will treat your post as advocating total information availability. Where your personal information that is at work including what sites you browse on their computers, what HR complaints that have been filed against you, your social security number, and what account your direct deposit or checks are deposited in. As well as, the sites you visit while at home because your ISP cannot restrict that information because they are a business. Or how about all the information that the FBI or local police has on anyone in your family, as part of a legal investigation, that may be untoward and publicly damaging because they are part of the government and must make all information they have public. There are good and bad reasons to restrict data. The question has and always will be: "How much should be restricted?". That will not change in our lifetimes if at all.
I apologize if I was unclear. I was pointing out that in this day and age privacy is more of a grey area than we wish. With a little time, money and knowledge I can get the specifics for what a person I know likes to browse, what they email, etc. And you can argue if that is right or wrong. It may even be illegal in some cases. Background checks are legal. Sniffing packets for clear text email might be illegal but, its hard to argue that something sent in the clear is knowledge that is forbidden to the eavesdropper. Most people think that since they are in their home when they send the information it is private. However, it is sent to a server that may not even be in the same state let alone the same country and those are property of corporations and governments. Who is to deny them access on their own equipment? It may be inadmissible in a court of law, but you can't say the information isn't accessible to them since its on their equipment. It may be some of us will copyright our lives and personal information. (silly, but may be necessary in future.) And despite how you think your government should be obligated to inform you of everything you desire they have the right to restrict certain information from you. The same right you have to restrict certain information from them.
What I mean is privacy is one of those grey areas. Our founding fathers didn't expect it and the fact that it has grown to be such a big issue these days is because people actually think that what others think of them is more important than what they have done. And to expect privacy is a laughable concept. What you post on the internet or send through email, unless encrypted, is available to anyone who has the knowledge to access it. What I was pointing out was that organizational entities also have the right to privacy and to restrict knowledge about itself if any of us do. You just need to know how.
Everyone is so quick to demand privacy, but aren't as quick to allow other entities like businesses, governments, and other organizations the right to the same privacy. However, privacy is a tricky issue. The US Constitution never mentioned the right to privacy and I'm sure that the founding father's would've found it laughable if someone mentioned it to them. We in America are guaranteed our right to live the way we want as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights or on mutually agreed upon laws. Doesn't mean that the government can't know about how you live your life. It just can't interfere with it if its not against the law. I'm not defending any position mind you. But, if you deserve the right to withhold information from the government so do they. Not all knowledge is in your best interest.
You can restrict a lot if you put your mind to it. The other countries will do as the US wishes because they don't want their sensitive military and intelligence data posted in a public forum as well. Quid pro quo. We don't want this information released to the general public and you don't want this information released.
AT&T uses dsl for their internet service. I find it amusing that they even offered voip. You have a phone connection right there to use. Who cares if their long distance is cheaper. You still have to pay for the entire service.
It isn't really freedom of speech as it is privacy issues. As if whatever you do on the internet or the calls you make are really private. I can pretty much say what I want. Whether I get a visit from the secret service or not is something else entirely. Something that Clinton abused fairly often as I'm sure Nixon did as well. The times I've heard of people getting visited for what they posted in a public forum have been few and far between.
The only way they can make this work is to have proxy servers that they themselves control. But the way that they seem to want it to be done is have the isp block the content themselves. Which would place more of a burden on an overburdened infrastructure and would mean that the cost for internet access would go up while the experience would be worse. I wouldn't be surprised if Canada was then banned from the internet. Which would actually make the internet a better place for the rest of us. Too bad for the Canadians unfortunately.
Saw the video. Had some interesting theories and ideas. The most interesting was the motives of the people supporting the idea of man made global warming. Think even if you don't agree with it you should watch it. Gives a good look into both sides. I especially liked the fact that you can bet what the weather would be against what the national weather service does.
I agree that we are the cause of some species becoming extinct. But to take the "everything that is wrong with the earth is our fault" approach is arrogant. And wrong in my opinion. We don't know what is standard. Old records have shown to be "unreliable" by mainstream scientists. And no one seriously kept track of extinct species until a few decades ago. There isn't that much of a baseline in my opinion to point at it and say that we caused all of those species to die. Hunting really has nothing to do with it. Hunter's have rules about what is safe to hunt. They don't want their game to die out anymore than you do. And about the water. The only clean water was fast moving streams, mostly from mountains. It is still that way. Disease was common back then. People died from things like cholera and influenza daily. They had to live with it. And yes the water nowadays is generally dirtier. But that can be chocked up to population density. A bigger population requires more livestock. Corporations, nowadays, are more careful about where they send their wastes and how they manage it. People who think otherwise have seen to much Captain Planet. Corporations aren't full of people whose mission in life is to pollute the earth. They are people just like you and me. Yes, they care about their profit margin. But not to the exclusion of all else. Also, have you taken a fish out of a pond and placed it into a bowl of "clean" water? It dies within a few days. That is the cost that I think of when people talk about the cost of cleaning water. More damage has been caused by good intentions than anything that was done by pragmatic business men.
I hate posting in slashdot. Mostly when I do it is as Anonymous Coward. Not because I am a coward but because I don't want to hear back from people who don't think before they post. They just react to one word. I am not anti-Global Warming. I feel that there is very little truth being said by the media. And I relish the chance to debate it. However, I am beginning to rethink that. In a world where people only respond to what is said, not meant, people who actually think and can get the message are few and far between. Most of my posts have been about history. Posting even somewhat conservative comments into slashdot is like putting your arm into the cage of a hungry tiger. You will most likely lose the arm. If not it will be horribly mauled and you are left with the vague feeling that it was stupid to have done so. I am not sure if that was something that the poeple who started slashdot wanted but that is what it has become. A place where people can get together and bolster their beliefs and views and belittle others. It seems like some people have found religion.
You can't dump your industrial waste unfiltered into the oceans
You call that managing the earth? That's self management. That's not dirtying your own backyard. The days when corporations dumped chemicals into the water are long gone. No one who has a brain does that. You are just letting episodes of Captain Planet get in the way of your thinking. It is not Global Warming that we should be afraid of. It is the arrogance of people like you. Just so you don't have to change you are willing to risk everything that was built. We have the technology to survive Global Warming. We don't have the technology to survive from whatever people like you have planned. Still not sure what I'm talking about? What I am talking about is that there is talk of dropping chemicals into the atmosphere in an effort to reduce greenhouse gases, or how about my personal favorite. Building a mirror in space to block the sun's rays from the earth. How can we think we can manage an entire world's climate when we can't even manage one small little ecosystem. And we will survive. Our way of life won't but we as a race will survive. And that is what you are afraid of. Losing your way of life. Change and light are the only constants in this world. Keep that in mind.
Carbon Dioxide does have very little to do with global warming. Carbon Dioxide makes up to less than two percent of the atmosphere. It is mostly water vapor and nitrogen. And carbon dioxide mostly comes from the living rather than the automated. To institute absolute control of carbon dioxide emissions we will have to institute exact population and livestock limits around the globe. Most people won't stand for it. I know I won't. I'd rather emigrate to Mars. Who will join me? I'm more worried about the "solution" to global warming.
What about the fact that we are facing extinction of staggering number of species, due to our mismanagement of the earth?
Who says we have manage earth? And the fact that species are becoming extinct is normal. Things die. Whether its a single individual or entire species. The only thing that has changed is the unprecedented numbers. And they're not even sure whether that's because of the fact that there's much more observation being done within the last 10 to 30 years than in the totality of human history. What about the fact that 20% of the world population doesn't have access to clean water?
There used to be 90% to 98% without clean water. That's why wine was the liquid of choice in those ages. It was cleaner. Water was disease ridden back then. Don't make the mistake of applying todays standards to the past. Whether of ethics or technology.
Actually its a Sunday. The Lord's day of rest. Sounds like some cosmic joke. He's determined to make everyone's sarcastic reply true. Pigs will fly in 2022 thanks to the Koreans. And why do you think its getting hotter here? Hell's developed a leak and will be frozen by 2011. And finally my descendants are going to have some Arizona beach front property by 2038!!!
There are many different interpretations of the bible. NOT all of them agree with one another!!! And there are errors in the bible. Translation to a different language gives the translator wide interpretive powers. Just because it says a certain thing in english doesn't mean that was what was said in latin or hebrew!!!
Lets just say that I'm not as scared of Global Warming as I'm scared of Humanity's solution to Global Warming. I've heard some of the craziest suggestions to stop Global Warming. From a giant mirror in space to actually releasing agents into the atmosphere that will reduce the greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. That has always struck me as extremely arrogant thinking. Who are we to manage the climate. We can't even manage the wildlife in our wildlife management programs. What are we going to do when we need a cure for our cure to Global Warming? Especially with all the evidence that it can fix itself. Higher temperatures due to the proximity of the sun. Water vapor being the primary greenhouse gas. This suggests that it can fix itself. We just need to prepare to wait it out. The fact that we believe we can avert something like this when we can't even avert a hurricane is staggeringly arrogant. It just goes to show how much people value their comfort doesn't it.
What I meant was that due to the media there is a tunnel vision when the subject of Global Warming comes up. Those that deny it can't conceive of a way that it can happen. Those that support it can't seem to concede that it is a natural phenomenon and/or that mankinds contribution is negligible. Again try reading those links. The second and third ones are very informative of both media hyperbole and water vapor's influence on Global Warming. Most statistics presented to the public don't have water vapor's influence factored in and are therefore skewed, again covered in the second link, which give's a wrong impression of Global Warming. This can lead to a disaster as we try to correct it as do most politically applied solutions. If you don't believe me look at the mess politicians created of Vietnam and the mess they are currently creating of Iraq.
I'd like to announce the Escape to Mars Fund. Very soon Global Warming will have destroyed our planet. So I am announcing a Escape to Mars Project. However, I am unable to fund it on my own and require some monetary help. If you are interested in funding the project please respond to this post. If you are interested in applying to be a part of this project respond to this post with a essay about how Global Warming will destroy this world.
The only way we are going to be able to have the control of carbon dioxide emission that we need is if we institute strict state run birth control. And even if that were done it still wouldn't do anything to stop Global Warming. The main green house gas is water vapor and that is something that we really cannot control. Carbon dioxide emissions really aren't what the media is making it out to be. And that is what the so-called corporate sellouts are criticizing. Not the fact that something needs to be done. But the fact that the media is distorting a issue they have no idea about. And yes there are scientists that make these crazy claims as well. But just like in any issue that has public fervor there are those who are willing to sell their "principles" to make a fast buck. Global Warming may be real but we are no closer to finding out what is causing it than we are to sending a man to alpha centauri or some such planet. (moon was already taken)
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At first I thought Marriott was going to fire this guy. Then I realized that he just gave himself job security. What network admin will want to deal with this particular nightmare? Not I.
Its all relative to your beliefs and principles. Someone who is of the liberal left will see CNN as more fair even if they do not see themselves as a part liberal left. While someone who is of the conservative right, damn stupid to identify with right or left anyways, will see Fox News as more fair. The fact is that both have their own agendas. Which is what I was trying to point out in the beginning by the way. To say otherwise is naive. I hate watching the news because the stories are so pathetically spun to support this or that view on both sides!!! The only thing that is honest about news anymore are the pundits!! And if you don't believe me why do journalists support one politician over another when they claim to be neutral? And why are their stories always supportive of their decisions? Both sides use the media as a battle field and I'm sick of it.
Every media outlet Fox, CNN, CBS, MSNBC, etc. Has its own agenda. To believe otherwise is just foolhardy. The only problem was that the Right felt misrepresented in the media and so Fox News became a bastion for them. Same as the CNN is a bastion for the left. Personally I can't stand either though the blunt spoken O'Reilly is hilarious to listen to every once in a while. That is the problem with creating a vacuum, something fills it. If the media had done their job properly and represented both sides instead of trying to control public opinion we wouldn't be in the mess we are now. And personally I blame Political Correctness for the fact that a lot of issues weren't represented in the media properly. Celebrities have always been easy, not to mention safe, targets.
I was just pointing out that businesses and governments as entities had just as much right to restrict access to information as you and I do. However, since you, and several others I might add, have treated my post as if it was advocating censorship in its entirety I will treat your post as advocating total information availability. Where your personal information that is at work including what sites you browse on their computers, what HR complaints that have been filed against you, your social security number, and what account your direct deposit or checks are deposited in. As well as, the sites you visit while at home because your ISP cannot restrict that information because they are a business. Or how about all the information that the FBI or local police has on anyone in your family, as part of a legal investigation, that may be untoward and publicly damaging because they are part of the government and must make all information they have public. There are good and bad reasons to restrict data. The question has and always will be: "How much should be restricted?". That will not change in our lifetimes if at all.
I apologize if I was unclear. I was pointing out that in this day and age privacy is more of a grey area than we wish. With a little time, money and knowledge I can get the specifics for what a person I know likes to browse, what they email, etc. And you can argue if that is right or wrong. It may even be illegal in some cases. Background checks are legal. Sniffing packets for clear text email might be illegal but, its hard to argue that something sent in the clear is knowledge that is forbidden to the eavesdropper. Most people think that since they are in their home when they send the information it is private. However, it is sent to a server that may not even be in the same state let alone the same country and those are property of corporations and governments. Who is to deny them access on their own equipment? It may be inadmissible in a court of law, but you can't say the information isn't accessible to them since its on their equipment. It may be some of us will copyright our lives and personal information. (silly, but may be necessary in future.) And despite how you think your government should be obligated to inform you of everything you desire they have the right to restrict certain information from you. The same right you have to restrict certain information from them.
What I mean is privacy is one of those grey areas. Our founding fathers didn't expect it and the fact that it has grown to be such a big issue these days is because people actually think that what others think of them is more important than what they have done. And to expect privacy is a laughable concept. What you post on the internet or send through email, unless encrypted, is available to anyone who has the knowledge to access it. What I was pointing out was that organizational entities also have the right to privacy and to restrict knowledge about itself if any of us do. You just need to know how.
Everyone is so quick to demand privacy, but aren't as quick to allow other entities like businesses, governments, and other organizations the right to the same privacy. However, privacy is a tricky issue. The US Constitution never mentioned the right to privacy and I'm sure that the founding father's would've found it laughable if someone mentioned it to them. We in America are guaranteed our right to live the way we want as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights or on mutually agreed upon laws. Doesn't mean that the government can't know about how you live your life. It just can't interfere with it if its not against the law. I'm not defending any position mind you. But, if you deserve the right to withhold information from the government so do they. Not all knowledge is in your best interest.
You can restrict a lot if you put your mind to it. The other countries will do as the US wishes because they don't want their sensitive military and intelligence data posted in a public forum as well. Quid pro quo. We don't want this information released to the general public and you don't want this information released.
I don't know of any extradition treaty with Iran right now in the US or Australia. That's what it is....a Treaty.
AT&T uses dsl for their internet service. I find it amusing that they even offered voip. You have a phone connection right there to use. Who cares if their long distance is cheaper. You still have to pay for the entire service.
It isn't really freedom of speech as it is privacy issues. As if whatever you do on the internet or the calls you make are really private. I can pretty much say what I want. Whether I get a visit from the secret service or not is something else entirely. Something that Clinton abused fairly often as I'm sure Nixon did as well. The times I've heard of people getting visited for what they posted in a public forum have been few and far between.
The only way they can make this work is to have proxy servers that they themselves control. But the way that they seem to want it to be done is have the isp block the content themselves. Which would place more of a burden on an overburdened infrastructure and would mean that the cost for internet access would go up while the experience would be worse. I wouldn't be surprised if Canada was then banned from the internet. Which would actually make the internet a better place for the rest of us. Too bad for the Canadians unfortunately.
Saw the video. Had some interesting theories and ideas. The most interesting was the motives of the people supporting the idea of man made global warming. Think even if you don't agree with it you should watch it. Gives a good look into both sides. I especially liked the fact that you can bet what the weather would be against what the national weather service does.
I agree that we are the cause of some species becoming extinct. But to take the "everything that is wrong with the earth is our fault" approach is arrogant. And wrong in my opinion. We don't know what is standard. Old records have shown to be "unreliable" by mainstream scientists. And no one seriously kept track of extinct species until a few decades ago. There isn't that much of a baseline in my opinion to point at it and say that we caused all of those species to die. Hunting really has nothing to do with it. Hunter's have rules about what is safe to hunt. They don't want their game to die out anymore than you do. And about the water. The only clean water was fast moving streams, mostly from mountains. It is still that way. Disease was common back then. People died from things like cholera and influenza daily. They had to live with it. And yes the water nowadays is generally dirtier. But that can be chocked up to population density. A bigger population requires more livestock. Corporations, nowadays, are more careful about where they send their wastes and how they manage it. People who think otherwise have seen to much Captain Planet. Corporations aren't full of people whose mission in life is to pollute the earth. They are people just like you and me. Yes, they care about their profit margin. But not to the exclusion of all else. Also, have you taken a fish out of a pond and placed it into a bowl of "clean" water? It dies within a few days. That is the cost that I think of when people talk about the cost of cleaning water. More damage has been caused by good intentions than anything that was done by pragmatic business men.
I hate posting in slashdot. Mostly when I do it is as Anonymous Coward. Not because I am a coward but because I don't want to hear back from people who don't think before they post. They just react to one word. I am not anti-Global Warming. I feel that there is very little truth being said by the media. And I relish the chance to debate it. However, I am beginning to rethink that. In a world where people only respond to what is said, not meant, people who actually think and can get the message are few and far between. Most of my posts have been about history. Posting even somewhat conservative comments into slashdot is like putting your arm into the cage of a hungry tiger. You will most likely lose the arm. If not it will be horribly mauled and you are left with the vague feeling that it was stupid to have done so. I am not sure if that was something that the poeple who started slashdot wanted but that is what it has become. A place where people can get together and bolster their beliefs and views and belittle others. It seems like some people have found religion.
You can't dump your industrial waste unfiltered into the oceans
You call that managing the earth? That's self management. That's not dirtying your own backyard. The days when corporations dumped chemicals into the water are long gone. No one who has a brain does that. You are just letting episodes of Captain Planet get in the way of your thinking. It is not Global Warming that we should be afraid of. It is the arrogance of people like you. Just so you don't have to change you are willing to risk everything that was built. We have the technology to survive Global Warming. We don't have the technology to survive from whatever people like you have planned. Still not sure what I'm talking about? What I am talking about is that there is talk of dropping chemicals into the atmosphere in an effort to reduce greenhouse gases, or how about my personal favorite. Building a mirror in space to block the sun's rays from the earth. How can we think we can manage an entire world's climate when we can't even manage one small little ecosystem. And we will survive. Our way of life won't but we as a race will survive. And that is what you are afraid of. Losing your way of life. Change and light are the only constants in this world. Keep that in mind.
Carbon Dioxide does have very little to do with global warming. Carbon Dioxide makes up to less than two percent of the atmosphere. It is mostly water vapor and nitrogen. And carbon dioxide mostly comes from the living rather than the automated. To institute absolute control of carbon dioxide emissions we will have to institute exact population and livestock limits around the globe. Most people won't stand for it. I know I won't. I'd rather emigrate to Mars. Who will join me? I'm more worried about the "solution" to global warming.
What about the fact that we are facing extinction of staggering number of species, due to our mismanagement of the earth?
Who says we have manage earth? And the fact that species are becoming extinct is normal. Things die. Whether its a single individual or entire species. The only thing that has changed is the unprecedented numbers. And they're not even sure whether that's because of the fact that there's much more observation being done within the last 10 to 30 years than in the totality of human history.
What about the fact that 20% of the world population doesn't have access to clean water? There used to be 90% to 98% without clean water. That's why wine was the liquid of choice in those ages. It was cleaner. Water was disease ridden back then. Don't make the mistake of applying todays standards to the past. Whether of ethics or technology.
Actually its a Sunday. The Lord's day of rest. Sounds like some cosmic joke. He's determined to make everyone's sarcastic reply true. Pigs will fly in 2022 thanks to the Koreans. And why do you think its getting hotter here? Hell's developed a leak and will be frozen by 2011. And finally my descendants are going to have some Arizona beach front property by 2038!!!
There are many different interpretations of the bible. NOT all of them agree with one another!!! And there are errors in the bible. Translation to a different language gives the translator wide interpretive powers. Just because it says a certain thing in english doesn't mean that was what was said in latin or hebrew!!!
Lets just say that I'm not as scared of Global Warming as I'm scared of Humanity's solution to Global Warming. I've heard some of the craziest suggestions to stop Global Warming. From a giant mirror in space to actually releasing agents into the atmosphere that will reduce the greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. That has always struck me as extremely arrogant thinking. Who are we to manage the climate. We can't even manage the wildlife in our wildlife management programs. What are we going to do when we need a cure for our cure to Global Warming? Especially with all the evidence that it can fix itself. Higher temperatures due to the proximity of the sun. Water vapor being the primary greenhouse gas. This suggests that it can fix itself. We just need to prepare to wait it out. The fact that we believe we can avert something like this when we can't even avert a hurricane is staggeringly arrogant. It just goes to show how much people value their comfort doesn't it.
What I meant was that due to the media there is a tunnel vision when the subject of Global Warming comes up. Those that deny it can't conceive of a way that it can happen. Those that support it can't seem to concede that it is a natural phenomenon and/or that mankinds contribution is negligible. Again try reading those links. The second and third ones are very informative of both media hyperbole and water vapor's influence on Global Warming. Most statistics presented to the public don't have water vapor's influence factored in and are therefore skewed, again covered in the second link, which give's a wrong impression of Global Warming. This can lead to a disaster as we try to correct it as do most politically applied solutions. If you don't believe me look at the mess politicians created of Vietnam and the mess they are currently creating of Iraq.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/11/11 10_051110_warming.html . html / causes12.jsp
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/edu/gwdebate/
http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibitgcc
These are only some of the links you get when you google water vapor and global warming. You might want to read them.
I'd like to announce the Escape to Mars Fund. Very soon Global Warming will have destroyed our planet. So I am announcing a Escape to Mars Project. However, I am unable to fund it on my own and require some monetary help. If you are interested in funding the project please respond to this post. If you are interested in applying to be a part of this project respond to this post with a essay about how Global Warming will destroy this world.
The only way we are going to be able to have the control of carbon dioxide emission that we need is if we institute strict state run birth control. And even if that were done it still wouldn't do anything to stop Global Warming. The main green house gas is water vapor and that is something that we really cannot control. Carbon dioxide emissions really aren't what the media is making it out to be. And that is what the so-called corporate sellouts are criticizing. Not the fact that something needs to be done. But the fact that the media is distorting a issue they have no idea about. And yes there are scientists that make these crazy claims as well. But just like in any issue that has public fervor there are those who are willing to sell their "principles" to make a fast buck. Global Warming may be real but we are no closer to finding out what is causing it than we are to sending a man to alpha centauri or some such planet. (moon was already taken)