He who invokes unrelated imagery of Nazi Germany to make a point really has nothing to stand on other than ignorance. I think the Godwin law-breaker is the loser, not the one who calls out the obvious logical fallacies associated with Godwin's law. Plus, it's funny. Lighten up.
but don't try to tell the rest of us that we are suckers for not buying a hybrid car because it is cheaper than either the non-hybrid version or a comparable alternative non-hybrid vehicle.
To the contrary, all I see in this thread is a bunch of people spouting erroneous stats about how long it takes to make your money back, and how "expensive" it is to replace batteries. These sort of attacks against hybrid owners boggle my mind...what the hell do I care what someone else drives, and no, I don't really think a hybrid owner is trying to tell me anything, no more than a Macbook user at the coffee store is trying to tell me anything. Your perception is not my reality.
I don't drive a hybrid (I like fast cars with high horsepower and the inevitable low mpg tradeoff that accompanies high horsepower), but I don't see how it doesn't make perfect financial sense to buy a Toyota Prius (I'm not talking about a shoe-horned hybrid civic, because it isn't designed as a hybrid from the ground up), ESPECIALLY if you sit in stop-and-go gridlock every morning on the way to work. Factor in the well-documented Toyota reliability, and it is silly to criticize anyone's purchase of a Prius based on financial logic alone, because over the life of the car, the Prius owner saves more money, period.
Not to mention, there's always the "Popular Mechanics" crowd that likes to adopt neat new technologies like this, regardless of financial considerations. Buying a car is not logical in any case, so why all the posts criticizing people's choice of a Prius?
I think many people don't understand how a hybrid works. The city mpg is far better for a hybrid than long highway trips, because on highway trips, you are using gas the entire time. In the stop-and-go gridlock of urban areas, the Prius is known to get near 60mpg...it's a perfect commuter car, but a lousy road trip car.
Hybrids cost more == you pay more. They are more green, but they frakking cost more than a non-hybrid car so you are going to pay more for it. I don't understand why this is so goddamn complicated.
A Prius (hybrid car) does not cost more than a Porsche 911 (non-hybrid car). Ok, I toy with your logic, but it's a true statement, albeit ridiculous. Since there is no such thing as a non-hybrid Prius, there is no way to say that a Prius costs more. Maybe that's why it is so goddamn complicated, because people keep making impossible comparisons?
The problem is that the hybrid costs $3000 more up front
$3000 more than what? A gas version of the Prius? Sorry, but you can't compare something to something else that doesn't even exist.
This argument really holds no water, because I could say something like, "it would take 15 years to make my money back if I spent $25,000 on a 50mpg hybrid, instead of $9,000 on a 35-mpg Hyundai". Take it to the other extreme and I could argue that I made my money back in the Prius the moment I bought it, because I choose to compare it to a Corvette. The least you could do is break-down the ownership costs of a gas powered Camry vs. a hybrid-powered Camry (or Civic, or Tahoe, or Escape, or any myriad of vehicles that have a gas and a hybrid version available).
What is up with all these old-wives' tales that have long been proven to be wrong? According to the David Pogue article on the NYTimes site, Toyota has NOT REPLACED A SINGLE BATTERY YET, due to normal wear and tear. They are designed to last 15 years, and so far, none have had to be replaced (hybrids haven't been around for 15 years). They also come in packs, where only part of the battery would have to be replaced (if they have some sort of failure), which cost as little as a couple hundred bucks.
I'm no fan of hybrids, being a car-guy and all, but these insecure lies are getting old.
Related to, but not exactly the same, would be the reason Windows has a "recycle bin" and not a "trash". Or the reason Windows has a File--Exit command instead of File--Close. Apple had them first (and I think even patented the word "close" for closing a program, but may be urban legend), so Microsoft steered clear of those terms (and got the added benefit of seeming "green" with the recycle bin).
I was away from MTGO for a couple of years. What a shock when I tried to come back. They actually made the worst game interface ever even worse. AND they had TWO versions to fix it since the last time I played!!!
Ok I didn't RTFA but doesn't it only really matter for what municipality you live in, and not the state/region average? In that scenario, my service far outpaces every one listed in the summary, at somewhere around 15Mbps for $25/month.
I thought the same thing. It is pretty presumptious of Cnet to think "tech" people share a single ideology. In fact, we "tech" people are less group-think than most other associations I have (musicians, karters, military folks).
It has become cliche, especially on slashdot, because it is misused. Correlation does not PROVE causation is the correct statement, but slashdotters gotta throw in the correlation!=causation, when the original poster is making no such claim. Just by pointing out a particular correlation exists, does not mean the original poster is implying causation. So in short, posting correlations on slashdot!=causation.
If I want to pay extra to have more fun, more power to me. Maybe you find grinding in the Outlands for seven hours just to get the gold you need for an epic mount to be fun, but I don't.
Arguments with REAL substance don't need to rely on tired cliches. You can't just yell causation!=correlation without picking apart the original post's claim of said correlation.
As it goes in college classes everywhere, "Crime rates are higher when ice cream sales are up". There is absolutely NOTHING WRONG with this correlation, until I infer causation when I say, "so Ice Cream causes crime". But until I make that logical error, there is nothing wrong with posting correlation in support of one's argument (and indeed most of us have done so in many a college paper)
Don't yell at me and say causation!=correlation when I've made no statement inferring correlation. Then, when I do make an erroneous correlation, don't yell causation!=correlation at me and be done with your argument. If you want to be insightful, explain the intervening variables that make my correlation erroneous.
You lost me at Correlation !=Causation. Seriously...what yells "I'm a college Freshman!!!" louder than this stupid cliche? Congrats on taking a Logic 101 class. Please refrain from such intellect-insulting cliches in the future...
Liberals recognize that fossil fuels are quickly running out and "drilling for more" won't be possible sometime in the future
The problem with this strategy is they were pushing the exact same ideas on me when I was in elementary school in the 1970s. Alas, we STILL haven't run out of oil, although everyone back then said we would be out of oil in 20 years. So while it may not be possible to drill for oil "sometime in the future", that "sometime" most likely won't happen during our lifetime.
the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation, is predicted to hold global temperatures steady for the next decade before global warming takes our planet into new warmth.
Uhhh, I thought Global Warming was here and now....demonstrably... But now we have a holding pattern for 10 years before it really kicks in? I'm super-serial, this fear-mongering is getting old.
I gained access to her emails just to see if she was spying on me...it sucked.
All it did for me was make me feel worse about myself.
To anyone thinking about doing the same, I strongly recommend not doing it.
While not quite the same thing, I suspected my ex-wife of shennanigans so I turned on the AOL Instant Messenger feature that keeps a record of chats. I found out all the details of how she was cheating on me. I didn't feel one bit of remorse for doing so. Maybe if I had to hack into her email or something like that I might have felt worse about it.
God dammit I hate being trolled, but here goes. From Wikipedia's entry on Zunes:
On May 6, 2008, Microsoft announced that it had sold just over 2 million Zunes. Roughly one million of those were sold since the second generation Zunes launched in November 2007.
So there's roughly 1 million second generation Zunes sold from Nov. 2007-May 2008.
Contrast that to the 22.1 million iPods sold from Oct. 2007-December 2007. That would be 21.1 million more iPods in a four month less span of time. I'm sure this trend continues through FY 2008 as well.
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He who invokes unrelated imagery of Nazi Germany to make a point really has nothing to stand on other than ignorance. I think the Godwin law-breaker is the loser, not the one who calls out the obvious logical fallacies associated with Godwin's law. Plus, it's funny. Lighten up.
but don't try to tell the rest of us that we are suckers for not buying a hybrid car because it is cheaper than either the non-hybrid version or a comparable alternative non-hybrid vehicle.
To the contrary, all I see in this thread is a bunch of people spouting erroneous stats about how long it takes to make your money back, and how "expensive" it is to replace batteries. These sort of attacks against hybrid owners boggle my mind...what the hell do I care what someone else drives, and no, I don't really think a hybrid owner is trying to tell me anything, no more than a Macbook user at the coffee store is trying to tell me anything. Your perception is not my reality.
I don't drive a hybrid (I like fast cars with high horsepower and the inevitable low mpg tradeoff that accompanies high horsepower), but I don't see how it doesn't make perfect financial sense to buy a Toyota Prius (I'm not talking about a shoe-horned hybrid civic, because it isn't designed as a hybrid from the ground up), ESPECIALLY if you sit in stop-and-go gridlock every morning on the way to work. Factor in the well-documented Toyota reliability, and it is silly to criticize anyone's purchase of a Prius based on financial logic alone, because over the life of the car, the Prius owner saves more money, period.
Not to mention, there's always the "Popular Mechanics" crowd that likes to adopt neat new technologies like this, regardless of financial considerations. Buying a car is not logical in any case, so why all the posts criticizing people's choice of a Prius?
I think many people don't understand how a hybrid works. The city mpg is far better for a hybrid than long highway trips, because on highway trips, you are using gas the entire time. In the stop-and-go gridlock of urban areas, the Prius is known to get near 60mpg...it's a perfect commuter car, but a lousy road trip car.
Hybrids cost more == you pay more. They are more green, but they frakking cost more than a non-hybrid car so you are going to pay more for it. I don't understand why this is so goddamn complicated.
A Prius (hybrid car) does not cost more than a Porsche 911 (non-hybrid car). Ok, I toy with your logic, but it's a true statement, albeit ridiculous. Since there is no such thing as a non-hybrid Prius, there is no way to say that a Prius costs more. Maybe that's why it is so goddamn complicated, because people keep making impossible comparisons?
The problem is that the hybrid costs $3000 more up front
$3000 more than what? A gas version of the Prius? Sorry, but you can't compare something to something else that doesn't even exist.
This argument really holds no water, because I could say something like, "it would take 15 years to make my money back if I spent $25,000 on a 50mpg hybrid, instead of $9,000 on a 35-mpg Hyundai". Take it to the other extreme and I could argue that I made my money back in the Prius the moment I bought it, because I choose to compare it to a Corvette. The least you could do is break-down the ownership costs of a gas powered Camry vs. a hybrid-powered Camry (or Civic, or Tahoe, or Escape, or any myriad of vehicles that have a gas and a hybrid version available).
What is up with all these old-wives' tales that have long been proven to be wrong? According to the David Pogue article on the NYTimes site, Toyota has NOT REPLACED A SINGLE BATTERY YET, due to normal wear and tear. They are designed to last 15 years, and so far, none have had to be replaced (hybrids haven't been around for 15 years). They also come in packs, where only part of the battery would have to be replaced (if they have some sort of failure), which cost as little as a couple hundred bucks.
I'm no fan of hybrids, being a car-guy and all, but these insecure lies are getting old.
Does the Ford Escape Hybrid not count as a light truck?
Woe is me, the IT professional tethered to a BlackBerry 24/7. Seriously, have some perspective.
Related to, but not exactly the same, would be the reason Windows has a "recycle bin" and not a "trash". Or the reason Windows has a File--Exit command instead of File--Close. Apple had them first (and I think even patented the word "close" for closing a program, but may be urban legend), so Microsoft steered clear of those terms (and got the added benefit of seeming "green" with the recycle bin).
I was away from MTGO for a couple of years. What a shock when I tried to come back. They actually made the worst game interface ever even worse. AND they had TWO versions to fix it since the last time I played!!!
Or Magic the Gathering Online (reformed junkie of both, btw)
Ok I didn't RTFA but doesn't it only really matter for what municipality you live in, and not the state/region average? In that scenario, my service far outpaces every one listed in the summary, at somewhere around 15Mbps for $25/month.
I thought the same thing. It is pretty presumptious of Cnet to think "tech" people share a single ideology. In fact, we "tech" people are less group-think than most other associations I have (musicians, karters, military folks).
It has become cliche, especially on slashdot, because it is misused. Correlation does not PROVE causation is the correct statement, but slashdotters gotta throw in the correlation!=causation, when the original poster is making no such claim. Just by pointing out a particular correlation exists, does not mean the original poster is implying causation. So in short, posting correlations on slashdot!=causation.
iTunes (on the Mac) is great--nothing apologist about that.
If I want to pay extra to have more fun, more power to me. Maybe you find grinding in the Outlands for seven hours just to get the gold you need for an epic mount to be fun, but I don't.
Unless of course you have a Mac...
Arguments with REAL substance don't need to rely on tired cliches. You can't just yell causation!=correlation without picking apart the original post's claim of said correlation.
As it goes in college classes everywhere, "Crime rates are higher when ice cream sales are up". There is absolutely NOTHING WRONG with this correlation, until I infer causation when I say, "so Ice Cream causes crime". But until I make that logical error, there is nothing wrong with posting correlation in support of one's argument (and indeed most of us have done so in many a college paper)
Don't yell at me and say causation!=correlation when I've made no statement inferring correlation. Then, when I do make an erroneous correlation, don't yell causation!=correlation at me and be done with your argument. If you want to be insightful, explain the intervening variables that make my correlation erroneous.
You lost me at Correlation !=Causation. Seriously...what yells "I'm a college Freshman!!!" louder than this stupid cliche? Congrats on taking a Logic 101 class. Please refrain from such intellect-insulting cliches in the future...
damn you....I just posted anonymously, only to find out that my racist comment is not only racist, but redundant as well...
Liberals recognize that fossil fuels are quickly running out and "drilling for more" won't be possible sometime in the future
The problem with this strategy is they were pushing the exact same ideas on me when I was in elementary school in the 1970s. Alas, we STILL haven't run out of oil, although everyone back then said we would be out of oil in 20 years. So while it may not be possible to drill for oil "sometime in the future", that "sometime" most likely won't happen during our lifetime.
the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation, is predicted to hold global temperatures steady for the next decade before global warming takes our planet into new warmth.
Uhhh, I thought Global Warming was here and now....demonstrably ... But now we have a holding pattern for 10 years before it really kicks in? I'm super-serial, this fear-mongering is getting old.
and was enjoying pleasuring herself naked in chatrooms.
My only question is why weren't you enjoying it as well?
I gained access to her emails just to see if she was spying on me...it sucked.
All it did for me was make me feel worse about myself.
To anyone thinking about doing the same, I strongly recommend not doing it.
While not quite the same thing, I suspected my ex-wife of shennanigans so I turned on the AOL Instant Messenger feature that keeps a record of chats. I found out all the details of how she was cheating on me. I didn't feel one bit of remorse for doing so. Maybe if I had to hack into her email or something like that I might have felt worse about it.
On May 6, 2008, Microsoft announced that it had sold just over 2 million Zunes. Roughly one million of those were sold since the second generation Zunes launched in November 2007.
So there's roughly 1 million second generation Zunes sold from Nov. 2007-May 2008.
Contrast that to the 22.1 million iPods sold from Oct. 2007-December 2007. That would be 21.1 million more iPods in a four month less span of time. I'm sure this trend continues through FY 2008 as well.
And JUST FOR YOU....http://www.macworld.com/article/131874/2008/01/ipodsales.html There, happy now?