Where did you get 5 Trillion? It is 500billion (which is still an incredible amount to claim when you consider the base budget for the department of defense and war activities is 676billion, I was going to throw a dhs document but this terrible source actually does a good job of putting everything into context: http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/real-us-national-security-budget-1-trillion.)
... or more accurately, the more money you make the more acceptable it is.
Doesn't matter how poor or rich you are, it's a question of power not money. Having money tends to imply power, but the two aren't truly link, for example: A billionaire can fold to congress which is filled with millionaires. And at the same time, those with power tend to like getting there toys, so they sell off a portion of there power in trade for money.
However, with Dell you don't need to match the specs to get computers that can run Adobe Photoshop CS6 while with mac you get more hardware than the average school is going to need.
I am in charge of an IT department for a multi-national bank, here is the deal, I have $x in my budget, if I have any left over I lose that much from my budget next year even if I need more (for hiring, new equipment, new software, etc). However, if I spend it all, then I can ask for more.
So things seem pretty much the same to me... I make up costs to dump my budget at the end of the year so that I can retain my current staff and maybe hire on a another 1 or 2 people.
Here's the thing though, they don't need to buy apple products in which they pay a rather large brand tax for. Dell caters at cost to public institutions. They could build similar systems for a quarter to half the cost (depending on the discount provided by apple). iPads could be replaced by equivalent $200 android or windows tablets. Etc etc etc.
Bandwidth, staff, servers, server maintenance, disaster recovery, security tests/probes/etc, growing customer count, huge initial fees, continual expansion to the last mile, insurance, frivolous lawsuits, real lawsuits, patent lawsuits (see frivolous), lawsuits from apple (once again, see frivolous) etc etc etc. There are costs to running any item, network is technically an infinite resource however it's also a finite resource at any one time (meaning that it won't run out over long periods of time, but in short spurts there is only so much traffic that can go through at any one time).
There are costs to running any type of service, does it justify $30/month for 1000minutes or 25cents/text, hell no. That's just pure greed, in the mobile cartel has control over it. A non profit mobile service would cost your average consumer probably around a few dollars/month tops. The problem is getting the initial clientel to make up for the losses. You'd have to start charging an arm and a leg, and once your clients are used to it and you have a market share, what's the point in dropping in cost?
In my defense, I'm not saying the world is doomed because his software is TPB. My point was more to the effect that these companies can take that kind of loss, a small company has a much harder time loosing sales then megacorp.
The real question is this: Are you really charging the right price if someone is going elsewhere for your software (like TPB). It's part of the reason why most companies do either a "per person" or "per CPU" or etc type pricing model to make it far more affordable for small companies (plus vendor lock in) and profitable on much larger companies.
Keep in mind, pirating is always going to happen, even with fair prices, so back to my original post on helping slow that down even.
"Yes, your software turned up on TPB. So has software from Microsoft, and from Adobe, and from Bethesda, and from... well pretty much every software company on the fucking planet. So your first job is to get over yourself and realize that all that has to happen is for someone to crack or strip out your copy protection once, and that's that, the DRM is meaningless and a wasted cost to you."
Yes, and these are much larger companies.
To the ask slashdot article writer: Here's the better question, why are people pirating your software? Could it be because you think ~$10k is justifiable for video editing software and they very obviously don't. But they do think your software is better than Brand X which they could have gone with.
Really your best bet is a call home system with a revolving response that's encrypted on the app and web side (using something like an RSA token). It's a fairly simple setup and you could still allow people to use it if they're not connected to the web, just set in motion a small controller that says "if offline for more than 10consecutive days OR 60 days connected and unconnected days within one year". That stops people from just resolving it back to 127.0.0.1 and if the request and response tokens are encrypted with a nounce it's going to be rather difficult to crack it.
Seriously though, would take a competent developer no more than 1 day to build the code for that, 1 day to implement it, and your QA would only need a few hours to test it. But if none of your competent developers can figure out how to do this, PM me or leave me contact info and I'll send you code in whatever (mainstream) language you like...
They know where you live, fairly to safe if it doesn't have a signal a good place to check for you would be home. They want to know where you are going, who you are meeting with, etc. The best part is, doing something like that (and if they did track all records) you lose an alibi. "Sir person x, who we know you had a disagreement with, was murdered between the hours of 1am and 2am, being that you claim to be home but your phone was shut off just prior to the murder, I think we can safely assume you are guilty as the circumstantial evidence is clear. Would you like to accept our plea bargain of 15 years in jail, or we could come after you for multiple life sentences".
They present something like to a jury and show a motive (even a strawman motive) and good luck, welcome to our system. They want you in prison if you don't conform with everyone else. Trust me on this, I've seen people convicted and sent to 10+ years (because they thought there was no way they would lose) in jail for things they truly didn't do. Either a, at the wrong place at the wrong time or b, no alibi and motive was there (however they were in bed, but young children don't count as an alibi).
They claim "innocent till proven guilty" but the fact is, they have to arrest someone, innocent or not. If they can't find the real guy, or the real guy is too wealthly, integral, important, they don't think it would be an easy conviction; they will do what it takes to find someone with motive, no alibi (or wrong place wrong time), that doesn't fit in the aforementioned categories. It's a fucking joke and everyone knows this, people may cry out, but then the DA goes on a smear campaign to make this person look evil (the news doesn't help) and guilty as sin. It's the truth of the fact and I had to spend 8 years without my mother as a young child because of it. But anyone who has had to actually deal with the system really knows, I'm not just jaded.
And yet that could be said for millions of other reasons. Correlation doesn't mean causation, in for one of the few times I believe this is a case. I was vaccinated, my children are vaccinated, and I'm sorry, but if he is right, a few infant deaths (as devastating as it is) is better than a polio pandemic, etc. It's the best way to handle viruses at the moment.
However, under that same concept we should murder old people, prisoners (okay I do agree with capital punishment, however I disagree with imprisoning non-violent drug related offenders), the mentally disabled, the chronically unemployed, the severely uneducated (such as illiterate). They are all a fiscal drain, so under the same premise to balance the budge we should kill them all.
That is why you can't do it as numbers and why it's a moral issue. So my moral response to this is: I used to support 'womans right to choice' however I have sense decided that is incorrect (mostly since having a child). I still believe in first tri-mester abortions, or aborting if the child would endanger the mothers life. But I absolutely do not agree with a second term + abortion because it's inconvienant or because it reminds you of "him". Suck it up, child or no child, you will always be reminded of him, if it's a financial responsibility thing... well hopefully we have a form of universal health care and give it up to adoption. But allowing every woman to have access to Plan B and BC should cut down on the all ready high rate of unplanned births.
So I don't completely agree with radical prolifers (baby before mother) and I think women have a right to choose to use contraception (condoms, pepperspray (kinky ), and birth control should be part of every purse), and should have control over the first 14 weeks. At 10 weeks we knew our second was a boy though and was 'amovin and 'ascootin around for the images. So to say no brain activity is false.
Unemployment is 8.6%, because he says Obama is doing a bad job doesn't make it true. And since Obama has been elected they've been blaming Obama for everything (even if they're party agree's with the stance). I personally dislike Obama for ACTA, NDAA, TSA, Warantless phone tapping, etc. He is all for a one socially minded people, if you don't agree then you shouldn't be part of society (hence jail). This is true fascism.
However, his republican counterparts (excluding Paul) seem to agree with him on NDAA, TSA, ACTA, etc. So I have to throw out the fascism part in comparison and look at the rest of the issues.
- Unemployment in 2009: 11.6% 2012: 8.4% (I'd say that's not too bad of a drop since it was rising while he was in office). The problem was created by a bubble the republican party could have stopped from 2000-2008. I can't trust them to be able to handle it.
- Social Rights (aka Obamacare, aka Health care) he failed to get Universal Healthcare, couldn't get it through congress so a negative to him but -10 to republicans in general for the reason it couldn't get through. The reason for "having to sign up" makes sense to me, though stands against my feelings of privacy, but I pay taxes anyways...
- Patent reform: Both parties stand in the same place right now....
- Research and Development: I know where Obama stands on this, I actually liked Gingrichs "space colony", -1 for Obama on killing NASA. Don't know where the repubs stand...
- Foreign Policy: They all want the war to keep going and going and going. Afghanistan will never be over.
- National Debt: I don't believe in killing social welfare policies to pay off.1% of our debt. A) won't make a difference, B) will only hurt the poor. There was talk about taking on the entitlements which would make a much larger difference, however that has died. So -1 to repubs.
- (University) Education costs: -1 to Obama, government has no right here...
- Green energy: I don't care about global warming, I want to see huge money invested in battery technology, all things considered the basic concepts of it is still over 2000 years old. Also, a renewable source long term is cheaper and more effective then one that will eventually run out.
- Taxes: Okay, I don't want to see taxes raise, however if they passed a law that said "3% tax increase to combat national debt AND nothing else, also national debt will not raise beyond current rates + inflation" I would be all over that. Otherwise, I don't see a need to up my taxes, cut DoD, cut entitlements. Stop giving tax breaks (I don't believe in regonomics, they pocket the extra, they don't hire wasted resources, regonomics only works on the general spenders (aka the 97% not the top 3%)).
The point is: Both parties are fascists, both parties believe in screwing us, but on the rest of the issues (general poor middle class) Obama has kept to a lot of his promises. It's either going to be Paul or Obama for me (in that order). I'm hoping by not needing funding in 4 years that Obama will use this term to do the right thing . But I'm probably dreaming.
Being that they are now less pissy that he changed it to say "Insurance companies have to provide it if the company is religiously objective to it". What I like is that they are pissing and moaning about government mixing with religion, however they are still pushing to ban gay marriage... Hypocrites
Only a few thousand? Man you must live in a third world country, it's about $35,000/child/year to house a kid in an orphanage.
But hey, let's not even think about that the overall savings, when gp can get pregnant or has a medical condition that requires the hormones in bc, you tell me again. I mean, why the hell should we pay for cancer treatment when you don't have cancer?
I've lived through two tornadoes, one on the outskirts of Wyndotte when I was 14 at a family meetup. We were really lucky my uncle (at his house) had a cemented basement, the tornado barreled right through his house with two half houses on each side. And one when I was 4 that blew out the windows in my pre-school. So they do happen but the ice storms, wind storms(70-100mph), cold snaps(-20f), and heat waves (110f+) are going to be far more destructive. I have to admit I know very little about the KCK council and thank (a higher power) that I live in Johnson County.
Microsoft wasn't anti-competitive because it was forcing people to use IE to go download FF or whatever and it's a joke the european courts ruled that way. Most peoples response to that article were pretty much indifference with a few anti-MS zealots going another way. The MS bashing on/. have dropped tremendously of recent because apple has been taking a huge part of the marketshare.
You want to know what is anti-competitive? Walled off app markets (Apple/MS), paying major manufacturers to use only your software (MS to DELL, HP, IBM) so that you win 90% of the market and don't give your competitors a chance, not allowing people to work/fix/anything with there own computers (apple), locking your phone into one provider (apple), etc etc etc.
I don't recall the last time google made an OS that could only use google search (even chromeOS offers others on setup, android all you have to go and set the homepage), I don't recall Google paying off HTC, Samsung, etc to make only android only phones and not iPhone or Windows Mobile... This BS about Real Names and stuff like that isn't evil. Don't like, don't use it!
Nevermind if you are going to choose Kansas, this is the best area to choose with the highest level of income and (iirc) the biggest area of people (well assuming the expand to Johnson County which is the burbs of KC).
As a Shawnee, KS (just about 5minutes from North Kansas City, KS) resident I can only think of one tornado that has come close to this area in the last 12 years (I think there might have been one in 1999) and the amount of damage it did was rip a few roof tiles off a house. Tornados do a pretty good job of staying out of this area, however that doesn't mean we don't get 70-100mph winds every so often that knock down said poles. Honestly, those days seem to do more damage in this area than tornados do.
5 to 10? I'm gonna say 4 years ago and counting we've been regretting it. Think if during the recession all those jobs we created in China came back here (or never left in the first place), it would mean more spending Americans, which would mean more service jobs, etc etc etc. I understand and accept global trade but come on what we've given China is half our economy.
IF and only IF it was actually hacked, it's probably because the rail control system is connected to a personal PC which has a connection to the internet. I'm assuming being the person who controls those rails is a very very boring job and probably downloaded something they shouldn't have. The so called "hacker" logged on, notice it controlled the trains and decided to have some fun.
I can wager that's how the events worked out if your case (far more likely) isn't right.
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... or more accurately, the more money you make the more acceptable it is.
Doesn't matter how poor or rich you are, it's a question of power not money. Having money tends to imply power, but the two aren't truly link, for example: A billionaire can fold to congress which is filled with millionaires. And at the same time, those with power tend to like getting there toys, so they sell off a portion of there power in trade for money.
However, with Dell you don't need to match the specs to get computers that can run Adobe Photoshop CS6 while with mac you get more hardware than the average school is going to need.
I am in charge of an IT department for a multi-national bank, here is the deal, I have $x in my budget, if I have any left over I lose that much from my budget next year even if I need more (for hiring, new equipment, new software, etc). However, if I spend it all, then I can ask for more. So things seem pretty much the same to me... I make up costs to dump my budget at the end of the year so that I can retain my current staff and maybe hire on a another 1 or 2 people.
Here's the thing though, they don't need to buy apple products in which they pay a rather large brand tax for. Dell caters at cost to public institutions. They could build similar systems for a quarter to half the cost (depending on the discount provided by apple). iPads could be replaced by equivalent $200 android or windows tablets. Etc etc etc.
Thank goodness I don't say random things without proof or evidence! Eh comrade?
"Guns don't kill people. People kill people."
Why haven't these police officers been arrested?
Arrested by who? Their peers who do not want to be videotaped either?
Internal Affairs...
Bandwidth, staff, servers, server maintenance, disaster recovery, security tests/probes/etc, growing customer count, huge initial fees, continual expansion to the last mile, insurance, frivolous lawsuits, real lawsuits, patent lawsuits (see frivolous), lawsuits from apple (once again, see frivolous) etc etc etc. There are costs to running any item, network is technically an infinite resource however it's also a finite resource at any one time (meaning that it won't run out over long periods of time, but in short spurts there is only so much traffic that can go through at any one time).
There are costs to running any type of service, does it justify $30/month for 1000minutes or 25cents/text, hell no. That's just pure greed, in the mobile cartel has control over it. A non profit mobile service would cost your average consumer probably around a few dollars/month tops. The problem is getting the initial clientel to make up for the losses. You'd have to start charging an arm and a leg, and once your clients are used to it and you have a market share, what's the point in dropping in cost?
In my defense, I'm not saying the world is doomed because his software is TPB. My point was more to the effect that these companies can take that kind of loss, a small company has a much harder time loosing sales then megacorp.
The real question is this: Are you really charging the right price if someone is going elsewhere for your software (like TPB). It's part of the reason why most companies do either a "per person" or "per CPU" or etc type pricing model to make it far more affordable for small companies (plus vendor lock in) and profitable on much larger companies.
Keep in mind, pirating is always going to happen, even with fair prices, so back to my original post on helping slow that down even.
"Yes, your software turned up on TPB. So has software from Microsoft, and from Adobe, and from Bethesda, and from... well pretty much every software company on the fucking planet. So your first job is to get over yourself and realize that all that has to happen is for someone to crack or strip out your copy protection once, and that's that, the DRM is meaningless and a wasted cost to you."
Yes, and these are much larger companies.
To the ask slashdot article writer: Here's the better question, why are people pirating your software? Could it be because you think ~$10k is justifiable for video editing software and they very obviously don't. But they do think your software is better than Brand X which they could have gone with.
Really your best bet is a call home system with a revolving response that's encrypted on the app and web side (using something like an RSA token). It's a fairly simple setup and you could still allow people to use it if they're not connected to the web, just set in motion a small controller that says "if offline for more than 10consecutive days OR 60 days connected and unconnected days within one year". That stops people from just resolving it back to 127.0.0.1 and if the request and response tokens are encrypted with a nounce it's going to be rather difficult to crack it.
Seriously though, would take a competent developer no more than 1 day to build the code for that, 1 day to implement it, and your QA would only need a few hours to test it. But if none of your competent developers can figure out how to do this, PM me or leave me contact info and I'll send you code in whatever (mainstream) language you like...
They know where you live, fairly to safe if it doesn't have a signal a good place to check for you would be home. They want to know where you are going, who you are meeting with, etc. The best part is, doing something like that (and if they did track all records) you lose an alibi. "Sir person x, who we know you had a disagreement with, was murdered between the hours of 1am and 2am, being that you claim to be home but your phone was shut off just prior to the murder, I think we can safely assume you are guilty as the circumstantial evidence is clear. Would you like to accept our plea bargain of 15 years in jail, or we could come after you for multiple life sentences".
They present something like to a jury and show a motive (even a strawman motive) and good luck, welcome to our system. They want you in prison if you don't conform with everyone else. Trust me on this, I've seen people convicted and sent to 10+ years (because they thought there was no way they would lose) in jail for things they truly didn't do. Either a, at the wrong place at the wrong time or b, no alibi and motive was there (however they were in bed, but young children don't count as an alibi).
They claim "innocent till proven guilty" but the fact is, they have to arrest someone, innocent or not. If they can't find the real guy, or the real guy is too wealthly, integral, important, they don't think it would be an easy conviction; they will do what it takes to find someone with motive, no alibi (or wrong place wrong time), that doesn't fit in the aforementioned categories. It's a fucking joke and everyone knows this, people may cry out, but then the DA goes on a smear campaign to make this person look evil (the news doesn't help) and guilty as sin. It's the truth of the fact and I had to spend 8 years without my mother as a young child because of it. But anyone who has had to actually deal with the system really knows, I'm not just jaded.
And yet that could be said for millions of other reasons. Correlation doesn't mean causation, in for one of the few times I believe this is a case. I was vaccinated, my children are vaccinated, and I'm sorry, but if he is right, a few infant deaths (as devastating as it is) is better than a polio pandemic, etc. It's the best way to handle viruses at the moment.
Practice safe pollination, kids; don't want to get the branch rot.
However, under that same concept we should murder old people, prisoners (okay I do agree with capital punishment, however I disagree with imprisoning non-violent drug related offenders), the mentally disabled, the chronically unemployed, the severely uneducated (such as illiterate). They are all a fiscal drain, so under the same premise to balance the budge we should kill them all. That is why you can't do it as numbers and why it's a moral issue. So my moral response to this is: I used to support 'womans right to choice' however I have sense decided that is incorrect (mostly since having a child). I still believe in first tri-mester abortions, or aborting if the child would endanger the mothers life. But I absolutely do not agree with a second term + abortion because it's inconvienant or because it reminds you of "him". Suck it up, child or no child, you will always be reminded of him, if it's a financial responsibility thing... well hopefully we have a form of universal health care and give it up to adoption. But allowing every woman to have access to Plan B and BC should cut down on the all ready high rate of unplanned births. So I don't completely agree with radical prolifers (baby before mother) and I think women have a right to choose to use contraception (condoms, pepperspray (kinky ), and birth control should be part of every purse), and should have control over the first 14 weeks. At 10 weeks we knew our second was a boy though and was 'amovin and 'ascootin around for the images. So to say no brain activity is false.
Unemployment is 8.6%, because he says Obama is doing a bad job doesn't make it true. And since Obama has been elected they've been blaming Obama for everything (even if they're party agree's with the stance). I personally dislike Obama for ACTA, NDAA, TSA, Warantless phone tapping, etc. He is all for a one socially minded people, if you don't agree then you shouldn't be part of society (hence jail). This is true fascism. However, his republican counterparts (excluding Paul) seem to agree with him on NDAA, TSA, ACTA, etc. So I have to throw out the fascism part in comparison and look at the rest of the issues. - Unemployment in 2009: 11.6% 2012: 8.4% (I'd say that's not too bad of a drop since it was rising while he was in office). The problem was created by a bubble the republican party could have stopped from 2000-2008. I can't trust them to be able to handle it. - Social Rights (aka Obamacare, aka Health care) he failed to get Universal Healthcare, couldn't get it through congress so a negative to him but -10 to republicans in general for the reason it couldn't get through. The reason for "having to sign up" makes sense to me, though stands against my feelings of privacy, but I pay taxes anyways... - Patent reform: Both parties stand in the same place right now.... - Research and Development: I know where Obama stands on this, I actually liked Gingrichs "space colony", -1 for Obama on killing NASA. Don't know where the repubs stand... - Foreign Policy: They all want the war to keep going and going and going. Afghanistan will never be over. - National Debt: I don't believe in killing social welfare policies to pay off .1% of our debt. A) won't make a difference, B) will only hurt the poor. There was talk about taking on the entitlements which would make a much larger difference, however that has died. So -1 to repubs.
- (University) Education costs: -1 to Obama, government has no right here...
- Green energy: I don't care about global warming, I want to see huge money invested in battery technology, all things considered the basic concepts of it is still over 2000 years old. Also, a renewable source long term is cheaper and more effective then one that will eventually run out.
- Taxes: Okay, I don't want to see taxes raise, however if they passed a law that said "3% tax increase to combat national debt AND nothing else, also national debt will not raise beyond current rates + inflation" I would be all over that. Otherwise, I don't see a need to up my taxes, cut DoD, cut entitlements. Stop giving tax breaks (I don't believe in regonomics, they pocket the extra, they don't hire wasted resources, regonomics only works on the general spenders (aka the 97% not the top 3%)).
The point is: Both parties are fascists, both parties believe in screwing us, but on the rest of the issues (general poor middle class) Obama has kept to a lot of his promises. It's either going to be Paul or Obama for me (in that order). I'm hoping by not needing funding in 4 years that Obama will use this term to do the right thing . But I'm probably dreaming.
Being that they are now less pissy that he changed it to say "Insurance companies have to provide it if the company is religiously objective to it". What I like is that they are pissing and moaning about government mixing with religion, however they are still pushing to ban gay marriage... Hypocrites
Only a few thousand? Man you must live in a third world country, it's about $35,000/child/year to house a kid in an orphanage. But hey, let's not even think about that the overall savings, when gp can get pregnant or has a medical condition that requires the hormones in bc, you tell me again. I mean, why the hell should we pay for cancer treatment when you don't have cancer?
I've lived through two tornadoes, one on the outskirts of Wyndotte when I was 14 at a family meetup. We were really lucky my uncle (at his house) had a cemented basement, the tornado barreled right through his house with two half houses on each side. And one when I was 4 that blew out the windows in my pre-school. So they do happen but the ice storms, wind storms(70-100mph), cold snaps(-20f), and heat waves (110f+) are going to be far more destructive. I have to admit I know very little about the KCK council and thank (a higher power) that I live in Johnson County.
Microsoft wasn't anti-competitive because it was forcing people to use IE to go download FF or whatever and it's a joke the european courts ruled that way. Most peoples response to that article were pretty much indifference with a few anti-MS zealots going another way. The MS bashing on /. have dropped tremendously of recent because apple has been taking a huge part of the marketshare.
You want to know what is anti-competitive? Walled off app markets (Apple/MS), paying major manufacturers to use only your software (MS to DELL, HP, IBM) so that you win 90% of the market and don't give your competitors a chance, not allowing people to work/fix/anything with there own computers (apple), locking your phone into one provider (apple), etc etc etc.
I don't recall the last time google made an OS that could only use google search (even chromeOS offers others on setup, android all you have to go and set the homepage), I don't recall Google paying off HTC, Samsung, etc to make only android only phones and not iPhone or Windows Mobile... This BS about Real Names and stuff like that isn't evil. Don't like, don't use it!
Nevermind if you are going to choose Kansas, this is the best area to choose with the highest level of income and (iirc) the biggest area of people (well assuming the expand to Johnson County which is the burbs of KC).
As a Shawnee, KS (just about 5minutes from North Kansas City, KS) resident I can only think of one tornado that has come close to this area in the last 12 years (I think there might have been one in 1999) and the amount of damage it did was rip a few roof tiles off a house. Tornados do a pretty good job of staying out of this area, however that doesn't mean we don't get 70-100mph winds every so often that knock down said poles. Honestly, those days seem to do more damage in this area than tornados do.
5 to 10? I'm gonna say 4 years ago and counting we've been regretting it. Think if during the recession all those jobs we created in China came back here (or never left in the first place), it would mean more spending Americans, which would mean more service jobs, etc etc etc. I understand and accept global trade but come on what we've given China is half our economy.
IF and only IF it was actually hacked, it's probably because the rail control system is connected to a personal PC which has a connection to the internet. I'm assuming being the person who controls those rails is a very very boring job and probably downloaded something they shouldn't have. The so called "hacker" logged on, notice it controlled the trains and decided to have some fun.
I can wager that's how the events worked out if your case (far more likely) isn't right.