Back to the topic, I don't think it makes you a great person to make hateful remark about a dead individual based on his politics alone, you are making it personal.
There's a great piece that I like to quote from Altered Carbon, by Richard Morgan...
The personal, as everyone's so fucking fond of saying, is political. So if some idiot politician, some power player, tries to execute policies that harm you or those you care about, TAKE IT PERSONALLY. Get angry. The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here - it is slow and cold, and its theirs, hardware and soft-. Only the little people suffer at the hands of Justice; the creatures of power slide out from under with a wink and a grin. If you want justice, you will have to claw it from them. Make it PERSONAL. Do as much damage as you can. GET YOUR MESSAGE ACROSS. That way you stand a far better chance of being taken seriously next time. Of being considered dangerous. And make no mistake about this: being taken seriously, being considered dangerous marks the difference, the ONLY difference in their eyes, between players and little people. Players they will make deals with. Little people they liquidate. And time and again they cream your liquidation, your displacement, your torture and brutal execution with the ultimate insult that it's just business, it's just politics, it's just the way of the world, it's a tough life and that IT'S NOTHING PERSONAL. Well fuck them. Make it personal!
Sure, it's from a fiction book. But that doesn't mean it's not true!
Ok wiseass - give me an example of a true shared calendar application with clients that isn't called Exchange or Notes.
All I want is read and write access to one or more calendars, the ability to selectively 1. Share with everyone (read - write) 2. Share with everyone (read only) 3. Selectively share read-write with a number of other users 4. Share only availability information
If you can find this _just_ by googling, you're a better man than me.
I guess what is really being asked here is 'Could people using products please recommend one, because most of what is other there is pure immature bullshit, half implemented at best'.
Maybe it's because I don't pretend to know what I'm talking about, or maybe I am just stupid...why does ANYONE care what Microsoft charges for ANYTHING?
Well, I care a great deal. We're not talking about the prices of MS products like Windows, Exchange, etc. We're talking about what they should be allowed to charge for access to their proprietary API and protocol information.
The cost is not the only issue. More important than the cost, is how this information can be used and redistributed. Their initial offering made it impossible to use the specs to write Open Source software. This is anti-competitive, and that kind of behaviour is why they're in the dock in the first place.
We desperately need this information so that we write interoperable software and break their hold on the desktop.
Maybe in future, if we compare things to other things that are alike, that would make it clearer.
You see, comparing public provision of something with up-front-costs and no extra usage costs to something that with metered usage, and then posing the question about how you would feel about the costs is, well, stupid.
Every Monday, I type slower and make more mistakes, mostly because my hands are still sore / stiff from climbing or packing canopies on the weekend. By Friday I'm back up to my normal speed.
Well, when I say family, I mean extended family in some cases. We have a large asian community here where the patriarch continues in his role of absolute alpha male even after the kids leave the family home.
In the UK, they don't even hold a gun to their kids / wife's head - they just preach on about honouring the father and doing what they are told. In this circumstance, I have very little sympathy for the victims - they should grow a pair and tell daddy where to get off.
But in a country where guns are prevalent, I can see this being a real problem with no way out.
1. Go to relatives house 2. Hold gun to their head and insist that they vote for who you tell them to 3. Watch them cast the vote 4. Tell them that you will kill them and their pet rabbit if they tell anyone 5. Win the election
Sadly, that is a problem that will always exist if people aren't voting in a private cubicle in a public place.
After the recent postal voting in the UK, it was found that many heads of families coerced the rest of the family into voting a certain way. That just can't happen in a private cubicle where you can always lie to dad later, but vote for who you want to now.
Yeah, in theory it works like that in the UK. But try and return one sometime.
I've tried to return a CD and a DVD on different occasions that would not play in either of my players. Most stores (including Tesco and HMV) now have signs up telling you that they will only swap the DVD / CD for another of the same title and will not refund you. And the managers stick to this.
Invoking the sale of goods act made no difference and the DTI in Newham were completely uninterested.
I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and it's been bugging me more and more.
While Red Hat do comply with the letter of the GPL (the provide the source code) they don't do it in a very friendly or helpful way. By only distributing their sourcecode in a way that includes their trademarks, and then vigorously pursuing anyone who uses or distributes their trademarks, they make it difficult for you to actually use that source code.
You really have to take it apart, remove all of their trademarks, or just go through and find the changes from the last update before you can redistribute GPL code. That seems to go against the spirit of the GPL to me.
Added to that, some of their more useful software is not GPLd, and not only that, it is based on a proprietary closed source database.
Uh, how sure are you about that ? Does that mean you aren't patching your dev servers ?
From what I remember from RH licensing (although contract negotiations were two years ago, so things may have changed by now), the definition of support support included errata. Our legal team took this to mean that you can't install Red Hat errata (new packages to patch vulns and bugs) on servers not covered under the license / contract.
Additionally, you have to pay per seat for Satellite provisioning entitlements, so a dev server with a different deployment system makes life a pain in the ass.
In short, our legal team and Red Hat both advised that we had to buy licences for our dev servers. They did discount these generously, but the mere fact that there was any cost in testing and developing on Linux while there wasn't for Windows (due to the organisation site license) was always a big black mark against Linux.
And some decent audio equipment to record a score. And an editing suite / computer. And some means of distribution (even if that is just a computer with a DSL connection).
Two factor is not just two different sets of things that you know... There are 1. Things that you know (passwords, other security questions) 2. Things that you have (tokens, one time pads) 3. Things that you are (biometric details)
Your banks are just asking more questions, not actually implementing two factor authentication.
For all of my business banking I have a device similar to an RSA SecureID token. That's PROPER two factor authentication
An ADC select membership gives you 1 year's membership and that includes all Leopard builds (client and server). Sure, you have to download it, but I can't see that accounting for the other $500.
I've been very patient searching for a solution, there is *no* release quality open source alternative to Microsoft Exchange. One thing I've learnt is that those who most require calendar sharing / true groupware features are those that have the least patience for quirks.
And there lies the entire issue. The people who need exchange with all of its integration options are the people that deal in terms of money normally. These are the kind of people who ask questions like 'how many hours of my life will it take to make that solution work for me vs getting exchange out of the box'. They are more than happy to spend the money on Exchange because for the most part, it just works. The time they could spend fiddling with their phone / blackberry/ whatever is time that could be better spent earning revenue and that's what their job is.
For most people, Outlook / Exchange is Good Enough(tm), and you have to find something MUCH better to convince them to switch. You have to show benefits to their day-to-day life that are immediately visible. Open standards don't mean anything to these people and you can't sit in a corner yelling and hope that they change their mind.
Show me a single out of the box Linux solution that provides the following and I'll start selling it tomorrow!
1. Decent off-line e-mail access 2. Scheduling multiple people in multiple locations (timezones) at the same time as a resource (conference bridge / meeting room / combo of these) is available 3. Webmail 4. No need for managing users and passwords just for this solution (e.g. LDAP / AD integration) 5. Shared calendars 6. Multiple domains with the same user name (e.g. user@domain.com or \\domain\user for auth)
Sure, I can start with OpenLDAP (despite all the problems it has). Then I can bolt on an SMTP server that can authenticate against something else (e.g. Exim / Courier). Then I have to configure the SMTP server to do lookups against the LDAP server to validate incoming mail. That's going to add load, so I better chuck another LDAP server in here, and just this config with Exim / Courier is non-trivial.
Then I need a webmail solution. I can go for Squirrelmail and hope that my users never accidentally contact the Squirrelmail team for help and get abused, or I can go for IMP, which is just complex. Once I've picked one, it's time to integrate it with the LDAP / AD solution again so that we can do authentication this time.
So... what do we still have left? Calendaring and clients... Can anyone name a decent calendaring solution where I can do everything that the Outlook / Exchange combo lets me do? Can I easily see someone else's calendar? Can I choose to share my calendar with just a specific group of people? Can I Just publish my busy / free time?
The other option is to look at the so called exchange competitors out there, but they all have similar issues. None of them today offers a complete drop-in solution for Exchange, and until they do, they are just vapourware as far as their target market is concerned.
I bought my own ram from Crucial. Everything ran fine for about 1.5 years, then the machine started hanging randomly. After an OS reload, replacing the hard disk and some other stuff, I finally decided it might be the RAM.
Turns out it was... just not the RAM I thought it was going to be - the faulty stuff was the original Apple ram but the Crucial stuff was chugging along just fine:)
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There's a great piece that I like to quote from Altered Carbon, by Richard Morgan...
Sure, it's from a fiction book. But that doesn't mean it's not true!
Ok wiseass - give me an example of a true shared calendar application with clients that isn't called Exchange or Notes.
All I want is read and write access to one or more calendars, the ability to selectively
1. Share with everyone (read - write)
2. Share with everyone (read only)
3. Selectively share read-write with a number of other users
4. Share only availability information
If you can find this _just_ by googling, you're a better man than me.
I guess what is really being asked here is 'Could people using products please recommend one, because most of what is other there is pure immature bullshit, half implemented at best'.
Maybe it's because I don't pretend to know what I'm talking about, or maybe I am just stupid...why does ANYONE care what Microsoft charges for ANYTHING?
Well, I care a great deal. We're not talking about the prices of MS products like Windows, Exchange, etc. We're talking about what they should be allowed to charge for access to their proprietary API and protocol information.
The cost is not the only issue. More important than the cost, is how this information can be used and redistributed. Their initial offering made it impossible to use the specs to write Open Source software. This is anti-competitive, and that kind of behaviour is why they're in the dock in the first place.
We desperately need this information so that we write interoperable software and break their hold on the desktop.
The RIAA have no contracts with artists. The RIAA have absolutely nothing to do with artists at all.
Oh, sorry - I can see how I missed that.
Maybe in future, if we compare things to other things that are alike, that would make it clearer.
You see, comparing public provision of something with up-front-costs and no extra usage costs to something that with metered usage, and then posing the question about how you would feel about the costs is, well, stupid.
What the fuck do long distance bills have to do with Open access points ?
Every Monday, I type slower and make more mistakes, mostly because my hands are still sore / stiff from climbing or packing canopies on the weekend. By Friday I'm back up to my normal speed.
Will I ever be allowed to login again ?
Well, when I say family, I mean extended family in some cases. We have a large asian community here where the patriarch continues in his role of absolute alpha male even after the kids leave the family home.
In the UK, they don't even hold a gun to their kids / wife's head - they just preach on about honouring the father and doing what they are told. In this circumstance, I have very little sympathy for the victims - they should grow a pair and tell daddy where to get off.
But in a country where guns are prevalent, I can see this being a real problem with no way out.
Where? Where fucking where ?
1. Go to relatives house
2. Hold gun to their head and insist that they vote for who you tell them to
3. Watch them cast the vote
4. Tell them that you will kill them and their pet rabbit if they tell anyone
5. Win the election
Sadly, that is a problem that will always exist if people aren't voting in a private cubicle in a public place.
After the recent postal voting in the UK, it was found that many heads of families coerced the rest of the family into voting a certain way. That just can't happen in a private cubicle where you can always lie to dad later, but vote for who you want to now.
Yeah, in theory it works like that in the UK. But try and return one sometime.
I've tried to return a CD and a DVD on different occasions that would not play in either of my players. Most stores (including Tesco and HMV) now have signs up telling you that they will only swap the DVD / CD for another of the same title and will not refund you. And the managers stick to this.
Invoking the sale of goods act made no difference and the DTI in Newham were completely uninterested.
So I just stopped buying CDs and DVDs.
If they have scripted this, how do you explain the almost 4 week delay between the release of RHEL 5 and Centos 5 ?
RHN Satellite which uses Oracle as its database.
RHN Proxy is also not under an open source license, but does not use a proprietary database.
I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and it's been bugging me more and more.
While Red Hat do comply with the letter of the GPL (the provide the source code) they don't do it in a very friendly or helpful way. By only distributing their sourcecode in a way that includes their trademarks, and then vigorously pursuing anyone who uses or distributes their trademarks, they make it difficult for you to actually use that source code.
You really have to take it apart, remove all of their trademarks, or just go through and find the changes from the last update before you can redistribute GPL code. That seems to go against the spirit of the GPL to me.
Added to that, some of their more useful software is not GPLd, and not only that, it is based on a proprietary closed source database.
Uh, how sure are you about that ? Does that mean you aren't patching your dev servers ?
From what I remember from RH licensing (although contract negotiations were two years ago, so things may have changed by now), the definition of support support included errata. Our legal team took this to mean that you can't install Red Hat errata (new packages to patch vulns and bugs) on servers not covered under the license / contract.
Additionally, you have to pay per seat for Satellite provisioning entitlements, so a dev server with a different deployment system makes life a pain in the ass.
In short, our legal team and Red Hat both advised that we had to buy licences for our dev servers. They did discount these generously, but the mere fact that there was any cost in testing and developing on Linux while there wasn't for Windows (due to the organisation site license) was always a big black mark against Linux.
And some decent audio equipment to record a score. And an editing suite / computer. And some means of distribution (even if that is just a computer with a DSL connection).
You owe me a new keyboard - I just spewed coffee all over this one :)
Two factor is not just two different sets of things that you know... There are
1. Things that you know (passwords, other security questions)
2. Things that you have (tokens, one time pads)
3. Things that you are (biometric details)
Your banks are just asking more questions, not actually implementing two factor authentication.
For all of my business banking I have a device similar to an RSA SecureID token. That's PROPER two factor authentication
Where on earth do you get those numbers ?
An ADC select membership gives you 1 year's membership and that includes all Leopard builds (client and server). Sure, you have to download it, but I can't see that accounting for the other $500.
Someone else said it perfectly in this thread...
I've been very patient searching for a solution, there is *no* release quality open source alternative to Microsoft Exchange.
One thing I've learnt is that those who most require calendar sharing / true groupware features are those that have the least patience for quirks.
And there lies the entire issue. The people who need exchange with all of its integration options are the people that deal in terms of money normally. These are the kind of people who ask questions like 'how many hours of my life will it take to make that solution work for me vs getting exchange out of the box'. They are more than happy to spend the money on Exchange because for the most part, it just works. The time they could spend fiddling with their phone / blackberry/ whatever is time that could be better spent earning revenue and that's what their job is.
For most people, Outlook / Exchange is Good Enough(tm), and you have to find something MUCH better to convince them to switch. You have to show benefits to their day-to-day life that are immediately visible. Open standards don't mean anything to these people and you can't sit in a corner yelling and hope that they change their mind.
Show me a single out of the box Linux solution that provides the following and I'll start selling it tomorrow!
1. Decent off-line e-mail access
2. Scheduling multiple people in multiple locations (timezones) at the same time as a resource (conference bridge / meeting room / combo of these) is available
3. Webmail
4. No need for managing users and passwords just for this solution (e.g. LDAP / AD integration)
5. Shared calendars
6. Multiple domains with the same user name (e.g. user@domain.com or \\domain\user for auth)
Sure, I can start with OpenLDAP (despite all the problems it has). Then I can bolt on an SMTP server that can authenticate against something else (e.g. Exim / Courier). Then I have to configure the SMTP server to do lookups against the LDAP server to validate incoming mail. That's going to add load, so I better chuck another LDAP server in here, and just this config with Exim / Courier is non-trivial.
Then I need a webmail solution. I can go for Squirrelmail and hope that my users never accidentally contact the Squirrelmail team for help and get abused, or I can go for IMP, which is just complex. Once I've picked one, it's time to integrate it with the LDAP / AD solution again so that we can do authentication this time.
So... what do we still have left? Calendaring and clients... Can anyone name a decent calendaring solution where I can do everything that the Outlook / Exchange combo lets me do? Can I easily see someone else's calendar? Can I choose to share my calendar with just a specific group of people? Can I Just publish my busy / free time?
The other option is to look at the so called exchange competitors out there, but they all have similar issues. None of them today offers a complete drop-in solution for Exchange, and until they do, they are just vapourware as far as their target market is concerned.
What makes you think the RIAA _have_ any copyrights? They don't! The labels that are member companies have copyrights.
I really wish we would stop lumping these all together so that the record companies are shielded.
Thanks, that was quite interesting...
:D
Do you have any explanation for the other 94% though?
I call bullshit. Show me one reputable on-line retailer where I can get a machine with the same base spec as this new Apple for 1/3rd of the price.
No customisation at all please, just the base spec as it is shown on the Apple store.
I bought my own ram from Crucial. Everything ran fine for about 1.5 years, then the machine started hanging randomly. After an OS reload, replacing the hard disk and some other stuff, I finally decided it might be the RAM.
... just not the RAM I thought it was going to be - the faulty stuff was the original Apple ram but the Crucial stuff was chugging along just fine :)
Turns out it was
And flowers. And dinner. Because it's going to cost at least that to make the wife happy again :D