Wouldn't most people here be filtered out anyway? Maybe I have a skewed idea of how jury selection works but aren't the selections questioned to see if they know about/have an opinion on the case? Which I'm sure most of us here do:P
I suppose the way a person percieves "opinion" really boils down to psychology, in a sense. Because to me it's very simple logic that an opinion cannot be right or wrong; It can make a statement about whether or not something is, but can't actually BE. And you obviously see this differently. None the less, I'm going to watch the sky for Skittle men now ):
opinion: a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty. If it's your *belief* its yours and yours alone, so it cannot be right or wrong. Whether or not it is right is a whole different issue....psycho:P
I think a lot of those points can be valid at times. But there is also a big other side to that story. Granted, i haven't been using Linux for all that long, but I have been increasingly able to find support in groups, mailing lists, on the web, and from friends. There's about 5 guys I have developed friendships with "via Linux" in a sense, and I have been able to get help from, and even help them all too often. Yes I have run into what seem like unanswerable questions just like anyone else, or with any other situation in life for that matter, but you can't neglect to recognize that there is a "brighter" side (:
It's not at all irresponsible. In fact it's very responible of Apple to do its best to test and make sure the patch takes care of the problem and doesn't cause more problems. The problem isn't entirely serious anyway seeing as how both the root account and ssh are disabled OOB. So must users who don't know there way around NetInfo don't even need to be concerned.
Yes, and so would I. But would you just threaten people who don't understand what the problem is with incredibly high fines? Suing is one thing, bullying people around is a completely different thing.
Well, if you look closely ours actually aren't the same. Your iBook has 0.9.7a, while my mirrordoor has 0.9.6i. My guess is that fink has installed the very newest version of it on your iBook, so the Apple update saw it was already updated, and did nothing. I would check and see if/usr/bin/openssl is a symlink to/sw/bin/openssl. The command would be "ls -l/usr/bin | grep openssl" (if you didn't know).
Only one is in/usr/bin. But I believe the updates are different for Panther and Jag anyway. As a friend of mine updated a Panther machine to that same version you have, but his Jaguar machine also returned the version I got. So maybe (as suggested by an AC in this thread) Apple just patched the current version in jag's case. I suppose I should be looking at technical docs at Apple for the answer to that. Thanks for the tip though. (:
I ran the update today, and it appears (naive?) that my OpenSSL was not updated. While the date seems accurate, the version is not the suggested update. I know I read somewhere yesterday (I can't find the link again today) that the fix was to update to 0.9.6j, although this is the output on my "updated" g4 with jag:
[akira:~] dema% openssl version OpenSSL 0.9.6i Feb 19 2003
Most of the spam I receive doesn't ask me to reply to purchase anything.
Furthermore, most of the spam I used to receive (I whitelist now) came from addresses like BCKD762BHJK@hotmail.com or some other spoofed addy. And by the time I would be around to possibly respond, the reply address was already dead. For a while I used to Mail.app to "bounce" spam back to sender, and I discovered that actually resulted in just as many "Mail is Undeliverable" type emails as spam.
If the school system is going to take a person's child for 8hrs/day, 5 days/week, you can't say that the parent is the only one influencing the child. A lot of kids in middle and high school probably see teachers and friends just as much, if not more, than their parents. It's not like parents WANT that, but in order to get anywhere in society (in most cases) one has to AT LEAST finish high school. In a majority of these cases the parent is probably out working so he/she can make money to keep food on the table, and maybe even pay for the child's education. In the case where the child works that's even less time he/she is at home, and more time to be influenced by others. If the government, and society as whole, is going to place such importance of going to and graduating from school, they better be making up for the time they are taking kids away from their parents.
Are today's parents really that bad? Is the government that eager to monitor/regulate every aspect of our lives?
Yes, and yes. I'm not saying I don't agree that it is pathetic, but it is the fact of the matter. All through high school binge drinking (keyword: binge) was a HUGE thing in this lovely little Wisconsin town. And the worse part about all of it was that parents are well aware of this, and in some cases even supply beer to their children. Parents are that bad, and they would be glad to blame the school to not make it their problem. It's sad, but true.
No, it's not the same in Jag. And I think it's a great story because I have been trying to find the answer to this question for quite some time as well.
I think the fact that the games were moved is far less important than the fact that people were able to "crack" this device in a very short time since it's release. The reason it's seen as geek news is because something was released to the public that was (apparently) relatively simply to crack, in an age when security is of upmost importance. Granted, it's just some simple cell phone games, but if a company can't secure some silly little games on their phone, can they really secure the important stuff?
Well, I can say I pretty much agree that the coolest invention of 2003 should be something to "wow" a person. But I'd just like to point out that iTunes itself did not recieve the award, but iTMS did. So I don't think Time saw it as an "integration" as much as they did an alternative to a rising music piracy problem, and the first of it's kind (I think, were there others?).
That was my reaction to the article. In fact, when iTMS was still being producded, didn't Apple say at one point that it was not their first intention to make some huge profit from the store? I vaguely remember this, but I could easily be wrong ):
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Granted. I suppose I can just hope it ends up like the internet. No missles attached (so far) (:
I love how the pictures just have to include one of these plans shooting a missle. You'd think the atomic bomb would've taught us all a lesson.
Wouldn't most people here be filtered out anyway? Maybe I have a skewed idea of how jury selection works but aren't the selections questioned to see if they know about/have an opinion on the case? Which I'm sure most of us here do :P
Google cache to the rescue!
Nothing we haven't seen before.
Yet it qualifies as news here. No wonder McBride keeps running his mouth (:
I suppose the way a person percieves "opinion" really boils down to psychology, in a sense. Because to me it's very simple logic that an opinion cannot be right or wrong; It can make a statement about whether or not something is, but can't actually BE. And you obviously see this differently. None the less, I'm going to watch the sky for Skittle men now ):
but it's still dead fricking wrong.
Which is exactly the point I'm getting at. It may be wrong, but your belief simply cannot be wrong or right.
opinion: a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty. If it's your *belief* its yours and yours alone, so it cannot be right or wrong. Whether or not it is right is a whole different issue....psycho :P
I think a lot of those points can be valid at times. But there is also a big other side to that story. Granted, i haven't been using Linux for all that long, but I have been increasingly able to find support in groups, mailing lists, on the web, and from friends. There's about 5 guys I have developed friendships with "via Linux" in a sense, and I have been able to get help from, and even help them all too often. Yes I have run into what seem like unanswerable questions just like anyone else, or with any other situation in life for that matter, but you can't neglect to recognize that there is a "brighter" side (:
Just my opinion, of course - I might be wrong.
An opinion, of course, cannot be right or wrong (:
It's not at all irresponsible. In fact it's very responible of Apple to do its best to test and make sure the patch takes care of the problem and doesn't cause more problems. The problem isn't entirely serious anyway seeing as how both the root account and ssh are disabled OOB. So must users who don't know there way around NetInfo don't even need to be concerned.
Does anyone else find it amusing that they use and advertise Quicktime on a website meant to put down an Apple product?
Haha, the fact that parent has been modded as "Insightful" makes it just that much funnier :D
And I'd sue if my copyright were violated.
Yes, and so would I. But would you just threaten people who don't understand what the problem is with incredibly high fines? Suing is one thing, bullying people around is a completely different thing.
Well, if you look closely ours actually aren't the same. Your iBook has 0.9.7a, while my mirrordoor has 0.9.6i. My guess is that fink has installed the very newest version of it on your iBook, so the Apple update saw it was already updated, and did nothing. I would check and see if /usr/bin/openssl is a symlink to /sw/bin/openssl. The command would be "ls -l /usr/bin | grep openssl" (if you didn't know).
Only one is in /usr/bin. But I believe the updates are different for Panther and Jag anyway. As a friend of mine updated a Panther machine to that same version you have, but his Jaguar machine also returned the version I got. So maybe (as suggested by an AC in this thread) Apple just patched the current version in jag's case. I suppose I should be looking at technical docs at Apple for the answer to that. Thanks for the tip though. (:
I ran the update today, and it appears (naive?) that my OpenSSL was not updated. While the date seems accurate, the version is not the suggested update. I know I read somewhere yesterday (I can't find the link again today) that the fix was to update to 0.9.6j, although this is the output on my "updated" g4 with jag:
[akira:~] dema% openssl version
OpenSSL 0.9.6i Feb 19 2003
Any ideas what's up with that?
Most of the spam I receive doesn't ask me to reply to purchase anything.
Furthermore, most of the spam I used to receive (I whitelist now) came from addresses like BCKD762BHJK@hotmail.com or some other spoofed addy. And by the time I would be around to possibly respond, the reply address was already dead. For a while I used to Mail.app to "bounce" spam back to sender, and I discovered that actually resulted in just as many "Mail is Undeliverable" type emails as spam.
If the school system is going to take a person's child for 8hrs/day, 5 days/week, you can't say that the parent is the only one influencing the child. A lot of kids in middle and high school probably see teachers and friends just as much, if not more, than their parents. It's not like parents WANT that, but in order to get anywhere in society (in most cases) one has to AT LEAST finish high school. In a majority of these cases the parent is probably out working so he/she can make money to keep food on the table, and maybe even pay for the child's education. In the case where the child works that's even less time he/she is at home, and more time to be influenced by others. If the government, and society as whole, is going to place such importance of going to and graduating from school, they better be making up for the time they are taking kids away from their parents.
Are today's parents really that bad? Is the government that eager to monitor/regulate every aspect of our lives?
Yes, and yes. I'm not saying I don't agree that it is pathetic, but it is the fact of the matter. All through high school binge drinking (keyword: binge) was a HUGE thing in this lovely little Wisconsin town. And the worse part about all of it was that parents are well aware of this, and in some cases even supply beer to their children. Parents are that bad, and they would be glad to blame the school to not make it their problem. It's sad, but true.
No, it's not the same in Jag. And I think it's a great story because I have been trying to find the answer to this question for quite some time as well.
I think the fact that the games were moved is far less important than the fact that people were able to "crack" this device in a very short time since it's release. The reason it's seen as geek news is because something was released to the public that was (apparently) relatively simply to crack, in an age when security is of upmost importance. Granted, it's just some simple cell phone games, but if a company can't secure some silly little games on their phone, can they really secure the important stuff?
Well, I can say I pretty much agree that the coolest invention of 2003 should be something to "wow" a person. But I'd just like to point out that iTunes itself did not recieve the award, but iTMS did. So I don't think Time saw it as an "integration" as much as they did an alternative to a rising music piracy problem, and the first of it's kind (I think, were there others?).
That was my reaction to the article. In fact, when iTMS was still being producded, didn't Apple say at one point that it was not their first intention to make some huge profit from the store? I vaguely remember this, but I could easily be wrong ):
I had always thought we would be in for something as grand and epic as WWII itself.
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Yea, the 50-60 million people (yes people, not soldiers) killed or wounded in WWII was absolutely "grand and epic."