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Nokia N-Gage Cracked

According to Mr. Belvedere over at CD Freaks, the Nokia N-Gage has been cracked. From the article: "The games that were designed for the N-Gage will of course only work with the Nokia device but not anymore. Now that the security on the N-Gage has been cracked the games can be played on other mobile phones as well such as the Siemens SX1." The article notes that Sonic N is the only game seen in public yet, but others are sure to follow soon. It'll be interesting to see how Nokia handles this.

232 comments

  1. Fortunately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's still under warrantly, so you can get the screen fixed. Just be more careful next time, and don't drop it.

    1. Re:Fortunately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      yea, mod parent up... +10 funny.

      mod moderator down. -10 dumbass.

    2. Re:Fortunately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meta moderation should allow for -1 Troll for moderators who mod down just because they find a joke unfunny. Unfunny is not a moderation choice, so (we) they stoop to inappropriate mod categories like "-1 Offtopic" even when a post is dead ontopic and funny to someone who isn't a humorless moderator.

    3. Re:Fortunately by PeeweeJD · · Score: 1

      that is a funny joke (in a British-dry-humor-sort-of -way)

    4. Re:Fortunately by Slashdot+Junky · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that is funny and shouldn't have been modded down. As for warranty coverage, it would likely be considered customer abuse and be exempt as a result.

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  2. Wow. by Billistic · · Score: 0

    Wow now I can play crappy games on other phones that are made by companies who wouldn't dare release a crappy product. I wonder when the Emulator for these games will be made, then again, why bother?

  3. Strange by autopr0n · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So nokia didn't do anything special with their hardware, it's just a standard J2ME system? That seems pretty stupid...

    Now that I think about it, that's basicaly what MS did with the Xbox. I wonder how easy/difficult it would be to play those games on a standard PC?

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    1. Re:Strange by mc_wilson · · Score: 1

      From what I recall the X-box reads a disc differently. I can't remember any details though.

    2. Re:Strange by dthable · · Score: 1, Informative

      I believe that it uses a PIII with special BIOS. If the BIOS can't ensure that the disc is a valid XBox game, then it doesn't move past the POST.

      I'm sure you can play an XBox game on a PC with the right loaded and drivers. How else would you develop for it.

    3. Re:Strange by plj · · Score: 1

      So nokia didn't do anything special with their hardware, it's just a standard J2ME system?

      No, it's a standard Series 60 platform - AFAIK the programs are coded with C/C++ but not Java.

      Sure, the OS also supports J2ME, but the commercial games are hardly coded with it.

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    4. Re:Strange by PierceLabs · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not true, most of the commercial games for mobile phones ARE coded with J2ME if we look at the ecosystem that the nGage lives in. There are games written in C/C++ as well and all of the games you buy at retail on carts are written in C, but the vast majority of content available is in J2ME.

    5. Re:Strange by doofsmack · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Actually... Xbox uses a modified executable file format, and uses calls to custom routines in their modified win2k kernel in the executables. So it's harder to run them than you'd think. Though some work is being done in this area...

    6. Re:Strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those are trivial changes.

    7. Re:Strange by gl4ss · · Score: 5, Insightful

      not standard j2me system(heck, the resolutions differ from in different j2me devices enough to not make them unworkable in most phones, in most phones apart from s60 phones the j2me is very freakking limited when it comes to .jar size and heap size anyways).

      it's a standard s60 system(as pointed out), and s60 has been available for a while and most software available for it can be found cracked on the net(yahoo groups, irc, the usual places where you would find warez). this shouldn't really surprise anyone.

      as for playing on pc, i'm not so sure about that(but it shouldn't be overhelmingly difficult to find enough docs that would make it possible to do such an emulator that would run binaries compiled for them).

      also theres slight differences in thos s60 phones, for example while the pad in ngage doesn't block itself(so that you can press both up and left at the same time) the pad in 3650 blocks itself(so that you can't press up and left at the same time). i'd just except them to come with up some better execution environment checks with the next range of games(after which the crackers find a way around them too).

      anyways, this should give some indication how much nokia had to shell out for actually developing the ngage hardware(not much, as they had done it for other phones already). kind of how their first mp3 playing phone was basicly a quick hack too(though, now it seems they're unifying the hardware to be pretty same in most of their phones, the cheaper smaller phones have already mostly exactly same innards).

      next week on slashdot: crackers crack securerom cd protection on pc! gp32 has copied games!

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    8. Re:Strange by pebs · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Now that I think about it, that's basicaly what MS did with the Xbox. I wonder how easy/difficult it would be to play those games on a standard PC?

      The XBox is a different architecture than a standard PC. For example, the video RAM and system RAM are shared. From what I've heard, it wouldn't be that easy, you'd need to emulate the hardware. Doing a little Googling, there are some XBox emulators and even a project that attempts to convert XBox executables to PC executables. I don't know whether these are fakes or not, though.

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    9. Re:Strange by aonaran · · Score: 1

      The XBox is a different architecture than a standard PC. For example, the video RAM and system RAM are shared.

      This is not uncommon in integrated motherboards, infact Nvidia's nforce motherboards are basically the same chipset as x-box from what I've read. AGP allows video cards to use system RAM, but just as any gamer with any technical knowledge at all will tell you, a seperate RAM for video built onto the video card will make it faster, so video card companies put lots of fast RAM on the card because they want to make it fast, not because they have to anymore.

    10. Re:Strange by Hast · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, you can't play XBox games on a standard PC. (At least not yet, probably never.)

      When you develop on one you use Visual Studio with an XBox SDK coupled with a special developer edition of the XBox. (Which has special BIOS and 128MB RAM among other things.)

      You can then execute code and debug code on the developer Xbox from you PC over the network. (And if you mod your XBox you can develop like this too.)

    11. Re:Strange by Hast · · Score: 1

      The point of the XBox UMA is that the 3D chip is no longer a second class citizen in the computer. (Ie connected to the system over a buss/port.) It's more like having a dual CPU setup, but one of the processors is swapped with a 3D chip.

    12. Re:Strange by FromWithin · · Score: 1

      But not specifically for the N-Gage. J2ME is super-slow compared to writing direct to Symbian, so obviously all of the N-Gage-only (well they were exclusive before this crack) games are not written using Java.

    13. Re:Strange by kmarius · · Score: 3, Informative

      Too bad you have to be an "authorized N-Gage developer" to program in C/C++. With all the competition in the market, they need all the help they can get.

      From the source:

      N-Gage(tm) supports two different game styles: downloadable titles and rich games distributed on MMC cards.

      Downloadable titles for N-Gage are developed in Java(tm) MIDP in the same way and with the same tools used to develop downloadable games for any other Series 60 Platform device. You do not require authorization to develop downloadable games for any Series 60 Platform device.

      Rich games are programmed in C++ for Symbian OS. They are multiple megabytes in size and are sold at retail on memory cards. Rich games are developed using an N-Gage SDK that extends Series 60 Platform. Access to the SDK and details about the specific extensions available in the SDK are provided only to authorized N-Gage developers. The SDK is required to produce MMC cards compatible with N-Gage.

    14. Re:Strange by dthable · · Score: 1

      P3 machine code is P3 machine code. The same code on those XBox discs is understood by your Intel PC. You still need enough code to load and support the application (ie. drivers, operating system, what ever else you want).

      So, why couldn't I run and develop my XBox games on my PC? Wasn't that the hype - port PC games to XBox in no time?

    15. Re:Strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you can't play XBox games on a standard PC. (At least not yet, probably never.)

      can't make a point, dumbass?

    16. Re:Strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still doesn't change the fact that XBox architecture is different enough that you can't just go and execute XBox code on a PC. Emulation is necessary.

    17. Re:Strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you can't play XBox games on a standard PC. (At least not yet, probably never.)

      You may want to go here ( http://www.gaming-zone.net/forums/index.php?showto pic=351 ) and then consider retracting your head from your sphincter

    18. Re:Strange by stilwebm · · Score: 2, Informative

      So, why couldn't I run and develop my XBox games on my PC? Wasn't that the hype - port PC games to XBox in no time?

      You're confusing a one-to-many relationship with a one-to-one relationship. In a "closed box" system like the Xbox there is only one possible graphcis device, one prossible sound device, one possible controller interface, etc. The code is targeted specifically for those exact devices and optimized heavily. Even the BIOS presents things to software differently from the standard AT BIOS. To run on a PC you would need to intercept requests, say to a specific IO address, then depending on which graphics hardware or sound hardware is being used, redirect and possibly reconfigure the request. This would need to be handled by virtualization of some hardware. The raw code for, say calculating artificial intelligence, however, could run natively.

      With the NGage the hardware is supposedly not as highly specialized (aside from the input controller layout and large screen), making it work well on many systems.

    19. Re:Strange by PierceLabs · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This most certainly isn't the fault of J2ME considering that both Nokia and Symbian have MIDP2 APIs available that would allow them to hardware accelerate rendering. They chose to go the niche C/C++ route and they'll burn for it :)

    20. Re:Strange by dthable · · Score: 2, Informative

      I thought that the Xbox was based on DirectX and Windows NT. Doesn't DX and HAL (from NT) provide this layer of abstraction. How the driver and these layers optimize the code is of no concern to the developer. All I need to know is calling DrawLine(...) will draw me a line in a virtual space that DX translates into a screen image.

      That's my understanding of Xbox internals.

    21. Re:Strange by ecki · · Score: 2, Informative
      Too bad you have to be an "authorized N-Gage developer" to program in C/C++

      As I understand it, that's only necessary to develop games which are supposed to use the copy protection feature. Otherwise, you can just grab the Series60 SDK and start programming. I'm not sure however if there is any additional benefit in the N-Gage SDK such as 2D/3D or input APIs. But reading that the N-Gage games seem to also run on other Series60 devices, I'm sceptical about that.

    22. Re:Strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >That's my understanding of Xbox internals

      It is wrong. The pretty specialized xbox directx version gives you MUCH lower level access to the hardware than the PC version, making some things that are impossible on PC possible (such as rendering to color vertex buffers and some dirty Z-buffer tricks), plus you have direct access to the geforce push buffers. Can't do that on PC.

    23. Re:Strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't play any commercial games from an XBOX currently. So what's you're point?

    24. Re:Strange by Junta · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say emulation is necessary, only virtualization (ala VMWare).

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    25. Re:Strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to Nokia's own N-Gage developer webpages the machine contains some custom extensions to the S60 systems, but what those extensions are I don't know as the details (and the SDK) is only available for licensed developers. The games that don't use these features will probably run as-is, but others may have compatibility problems (on one site someone mentioned that Super Monkey Ball refused to run on the Siemens phone).

    26. Re:Strange by plj · · Score: 1

      Sorry for being unspecific, but I meant those "games you buy at retail on carts" - they are the special "N-gage only" games this whole post is all about. You're talking about the whole ecosystem, but that's different.

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    27. Re:Strange by TonkaTown · · Score: 1

      You can also write games or other apps for the N-Gage in OPL or a form of VB as you can with any Series 60 Symbian device.

      The only reason you might want to be an "authorised N-Gage developer" would be to sell games on memory cards (a very small section of Series 60 apps). Otherwise you can write C++, J2ME, OPL or VB apps for any Symbian phone without having to sign up (and pony up lots of money) to any special schemes.

  4. Uber-nerds by pudding7 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sweet! Cause I bet those games are worth playing on other phones!

    1. Re:Uber-nerds by mr.+mulder · · Score: 1

      It's not so much of an Uber-nerd thing.

      It's more of a let's do it "because we can" thing. ...Although it may take an uber-nerd to be interested in this sort of thing.

  5. DMCA by pvt_medic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    so how long till a lawsuit is filed for violations of Digital Millennium Copyright Act?

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    1. Re:DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's to say the crackers live in the USA.

    2. Re:DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DMCA is a USA law...

    3. Re:DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well then...they must be enemy combatants....obviously trying to destroy US interests. who needs laws when you have a bush?

  6. lookit me! by mekkab · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm not just side talkin', I'm also Side HACKING!

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    1. Re:lookit me! by j_kenpo · · Score: 1

      Hehehe yeah, this movie sucked, but it made for one hell of a funny episode of MST3K...

  7. Hey good news for Nokia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    they might sell THREE games now thanks to this.

    1. Re:Hey good news for Nokia by michiel.h · · Score: 1

      Three?

      You do realise sales will be going down, not up, because of this, don't you?

    2. Re:Hey good news for Nokia by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      no, sales will go up. since nokia hasn't sold ONE game they will sell 3 ( the number of games exclusive to the ngage) because 3 have to be sold in order for this hack to be preformed on all 3. after that everyone just downloads copies but since there are 3 titles 3 games have to be sold. oh yeah, its a joke dumbass.

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  8. Well... by hookedup · · Score: 1

    As if the N-Gage wasnt having enough problems, now what reason do people have to actually pay money for this thing?

    1. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple:
      -n-gage is the cheapest symbian device available (games are not J2ME, they are written in C++)
      -n-gage has good button layout for playing games, which other phones don't

    2. Re:Well... by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      And, of course, you look so cool talking into the Taco...

  9. ROMs by ActionPlant · · Score: 1

    How long before we see downloadable cellphone roms for our PCs? Of course there will be illegal distros of the games online. I just find it funny that, aside from the people getting the games for their other phones (not nokia) you KNOW people will be running roms. And the big question is: WHY?

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    1. Re:ROMs by dthable · · Score: 1

      It's just easier to fire up QBasic to play nibble than go through the trouble of actually generating a ROM for it.

    2. Re:ROMs by dnobel · · Score: 1

      Ask, and ye shall receive.

      http://novasearch.net/?search=gage&searchtype=sequ ential&what=torrents&section=-+all+sections+-&sort =None&order=desc

    3. Re:ROMs by yerricde · · Score: 1

      I wrote an NES ROM for Nibbles because Windows 2000 and XP likes FCE Ultra better than it likes QBasic.

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    4. Re:ROMs by dthable · · Score: 1

      I know what I'm doin' at work tomorrow!

    5. Re:ROMs by Cipster · · Score: 1

      Man I planned to get to bed early tonight. Thanks a lot!

  10. More Importantly by SupeRobot+Ninja · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is this really worth caring about? I mean anyone who takes the N-Gage seriously as a console has severe issues. Not to mention that only a handful of phones are going to be capable of running the games anyway. Also, it's not like Nokia can do anything about it; it'd cost more (considering the N-Gage is *already* failing financially) to fix than what they might actually lose to piracy.

    1. Re:More Importantly by mekkab · · Score: 2, Interesting

      actually, this is GREAT for Nokia! A hacker-friendly phone platform! Why, they might actually SELL a few!

      (Who do you think leaked the info in the first place?!) [/conspiracy]

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    2. Re:More Importantly by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Interesting

      leaked? the symbian in it isn't exactly locked down very hard(and the crackers already had experience from cracking s60 programs).

      heck, you want to develop for series60 with c++? forum.nokia.com has all the tools you need. there's c64 emulator, zx spectrum emulator and a gameboy emulator along with gazillion homebrewed titles out there already.

      it is the most 'hacker friendly'(that is affordable) phone platform out there. which is the reason why i got myself a 3650 last summer, sure helped a lot of those crappy train rides. while the concept of having computer programs on your phone might be confusing to some, to nerds it's very convinient. ngages best selling point is that it is the cheapest s60 phone out there(and at the same time, the cheapest phone that has loadable programs more powerful than j2me, and while at that it has the most powerful j2me too).

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    3. Re:More Importantly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Offtopic, but can you help me get Linux onto my Nokia 6600? If the platform is so open it shouldn't be hard. I am speaking completely seriously here. Do the s60 C++ programs compile direct to ARM9 machine code or are they targeted for some virtual machine? Anyway.

    4. Re:More Importantly by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      afaik direct arm machine code. though, when developing you generally compile for the emulator(that's a runtime environment that runs on pc), again afaik, i've only just dipped into the native side of the s60(and indeed there are for example programs that shut down the phones gsm side on bootup, entering so called 'flight mode').

      anyways.. there's programs(file explorers) that allow you to run just about anything(though porting linux for it might be pointless for anything else than academical joy of seeing it bootup).

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    5. Re:More Importantly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      though porting linux for it might be pointless for anything else than academical joy of seeing it bootup.

      Almost any open-source linux app could be recompiled for ARM, so you would end up with a near fully-fucntional linux system (though you would need to write/port drivers for the display, keypad, camera, etc). Aside from the niftiness of coding/compiling/hacking on a phone, you would be able to e.g. take pictures with the camera and edit them in gimp, or watch compressed movies in mplayer, or run ssh/remote X sessions on it, or VoIP via bluetooth when in range, etc.

  11. article text aleady /.'ed by ed333 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nokia's N-Gage mobile gaming device has been cracked
    Posted by Dennis on 11 November 2003 - 14:50 - Source: SPOnG.com

    Mr. Belvedere, our Club CD Freaks Moderator, used our news submit to tell us that Nokia's N-Gage device has been cracked according to this information. The Nokia N-Gage device is primarily a handheld gaming device but it can also be used as an MP3 player, wireless browser and last but not least as a telephone.

    The games that were designed for the N-Gage will of course only work with the Nokia device but not anymore. Now that the security on the N-Gage has been cracked the games can be played on other mobile phones as well such as the Siemens SX1:

    Nokia will today be licking its wounds and doing a fair amount of worrying, with the revelation that the N-Gage's security has been cracked like an egg, with other manufacturers' handsets able to play the machine's software.

    Specifically, the Siemens SX1 is already capable of running N-Gage games, with Sonic N being the only game seen in public, though it's expected that the others won't be too far behind.

    This is expected to be the start of a process that will see third-party hardware add-on sales of devices that will enable many phones to simply suck up the N-Gage content, then go on their merry way.

    Nokia's reaction to this new, seemingly unforeseen problem, will be interesting to observe, to say the least.

    Some screenshots and video's of the Siemens SX1 mobile phone running the Nokia N-Gage games can be found on Club-Siemens. More information on the hacked N-Gage can be read here and here.

  12. While I respect the effort, ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the important question is: Are the games formerly soley available on the N-Gage that good that they're worth playing on other phones/devices/etc.?

    1. Re:While I respect the effort, ... by Fancia · · Score: 1

      Tomb Raider and Sonic Advance are its biggest games. Draw your own conclusions.

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    2. Re:While I respect the effort, ... by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      IMHO they proved that N Gage hardware is not big deal, eg those games can work on other devices...

    3. Re:While I respect the effort, ... by yerricde · · Score: 1

      Reports tell me that Sonic Advance is far better on GBA than on N-Gage, largely because of GBA's larger display.

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  13. Market go BOOM. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The article notes that Sonic N is the only game seen in public yet, but others are sure to follow soon. It'll be interesting to see how Nokia handles this."

    Simple. Don't release any more games. Besides weren't people already complaining about the N-gage?

  14. Not quite. by Kenja · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The standard Symbian package does not include OpenGL. Thus games for the NGage that make use if it will not run on anything else (for now). Even the Nokia 3650, wich is almost the same hardware will not run these apps.

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    1. Re:Not quite. by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      isn't it all done in software? that's how it looks and the guesswork on the street is..

      though i haven't tested these for myself yet..

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    2. Re:Not quite. by exhilaration · · Score: 1

      Umm... so are you suggesting that the screenshots of the SX1 playing the cracked game is a fake? That certainly looks like "anything else" to me.

    3. Re:Not quite. by Ch_Omega · · Score: 1

      "The standard Symbian package does not include OpenGL."

      And neither does the N-Gage. The 3D-games on the N-Gage are all using software-renderers like f.eks. Fathammer's X-Forge engine.

      The N-Gage is simply a standard Series60-phone,(exept that it lacks a camera, and have stereo sound and FM-Radio instead) with a different key layout.

  15. MIDI WARNING! by mekkab · · Score: 1

    Sorry guys, the volume was turned down on my speakers, I didn't know!

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  16. I'll give you one guess by _UnderTow_ · · Score: 4, Funny

    It'll be interesting to see how Nokia handles this."

    I assume it will be with lawyers?

    1. Re:I'll give you one guess by cgenman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I assume it will be sighs of relief.

      If Nokia is like every other console company, they take a cut of sales of the cartridges. Sure, most make a little bit on hardware too, but Nokia has really lost that battle. Getting a cut of games released that will play on someone else's platform would be ideal. Think about how much money IBM would have made if they had some way to require licenses to release games on any hardware compatible with their system.

      As they don't control the hardware it isn't a viable long-term solution, but if Nokia was smart (tacophone aside) they would release their own attachments to other phones to facilitate N-Gage playing. That way, at least, they could bow out gracefully and make a little money along the way.

    2. Re:I'll give you one guess by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 1

      And I assume all those friendly guys hacking away to get this stuff working on other phones will actually buy the official cartridges from nokia. no piracy gonna happen here, no sir-ee...

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  17. Shouldn't this be true only for J2ME games? by fuxoft · · Score: 4, Informative

    I presume this only concerns the "simple" J2ME games. Certainly other mobile phones lack hardware to run "big" N-Gage games like Tomb Raider, Pandemonium or Tony Hawk...? (I don't know for sure, the article is already shlashdotted, but Headline like this seems to be misleading.)

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    1. Re:Shouldn't this be true only for J2ME games? by PierceLabs · · Score: 1

      The software should be runnable on any similarly equipped Series 60 phone such as the 3650 - but more likely these games will simply live on in PC based emulators.

      A failure of DRM is likely the last nail in the coffin for the nGage. Now that the content can be readily pirated - I'm not sure the remaining 'gung-ho' companies will stick with the platform.

    2. Re:Shouldn't this be true only for J2ME games? by MisterFancypants · · Score: 1
      The software should be runnable on any similarly equipped Series 60 phone such as the 3650 - but more likely these games will simply live on in PC based emulators.

      But from a practical standpoint, who cares? All of these games are cut-down versions of games available on PC or on systems already well-emulated on PCs...

    3. Re:Shouldn't this be true only for J2ME games? by PainKilleR-CE · · Score: 1

      The games like Tomb Raider and so forth that are sold on carts specifically for the N-Gage are not J2ME games, but they are the games that the article is talking about. There are only a handful of phones that can handle them, but there's not much special about the N-Gage hardware to make it an issue (except, of course, that most of the phones that can run it tend to be more expensive than the N-Gage).

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    4. Re:Shouldn't this be true only for J2ME games? by PierceLabs · · Score: 1

      Well the next time I'm carrying my PC with me while I'm at the bank I'll remember that :) The whole appeal of both camera phones and cell phone games is that they take advatage of a device that you are already carrying around with you. While people may leave their iPod, PDA, laptop, etc. somewhere else - they most often always have their cell phone with them.

    5. Re:Shouldn't this be true only for J2ME games? by Nurgled · · Score: 1

      I think you missed your parent's point. The parent was asking what exactly has been achieved by cracking Nokia's DRM, since your grandparent suggested that the best point about this was that now a PC emulator could play the games.

      Most of the similarly-equipped phones to the N-Gage are more expensive, so this crack doesn't seem to have any real benefit to anyone except perhaps those who wish to distribute the games illegally.

    6. Re:Shouldn't this be true only for J2ME games? by notb4dinner · · Score: 1

      ... or someone that wants firstly a decent phone and secondly a games console. Seriously, have you seen how you've gotta hold the N-Gage to actually talk?

  18. Big impact by Mechanik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So let's see, this will let you add a total of, what, like 4 whole games to your library for your non-N-Gage phone?

    Don't get me wrong, it's still neat in a way, but "Crappy game system with no games gets cracked so you can play those nonexistant games elsewhere" seems somewhat underwhelming.


    Mechanik

    1. Re:Big impact by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 4, Funny

      It may very well be that installing cracked n-gage games on other phones will be easier than performing the complex battery/compartment door/tinylittle memorycard operation involved in installing the real n-gage game modules inside the phone...

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    2. Re:Big impact by dema · · Score: 1

      I think the fact that the games were moved is far less important than the fact that people were able to "crack" this device in a very short time since it's release. The reason it's seen as geek news is because something was released to the public that was (apparently) relatively simply to crack, in an age when security is of upmost importance. Granted, it's just some simple cell phone games, but if a company can't secure some silly little games on their phone, can they really secure the important stuff?

    3. Re:Big impact by Rew190 · · Score: 1

      I seriously hope you're joking.

    4. Re:Big impact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Erm, I think you've got that backwards.

  19. Funny by muffen · · Score: 1

    Quicker than I though, but who didn't see this one coming?

    I was actually surprised when I saw N-Gage games on some ftp's starting three days back. I don't have the N-Gage myself, but I saw like 5 games and an installer...

    The cool thing with the N-Gage is the homebrew stuff. It'll be cool if someone can write an app so you can stream shoutcast to the phone... then I'll get one for sure :)

    1. Re:Funny by PierceLabs · · Score: 1

      No you wouldn't :) Since you'd be paying for data transfer to the phone you would likely find it far cheaper to just buy an MP3 player and the songs you want.

      Even still, the bandwidth and unreliability of UDP over the cellular networks (including GSM) would most certainly make you want to beat yourself to death with the nGage rather than use it :)

    2. Re:Funny by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      You can do all that stuff on other phones already, and it's been that way for a while. I've got homebrew SNES/NES/GBC emulators and many games on my smartphone, which I got almost a year ago.

      Technologically, Nokia are usually behind the curve, with the obvious exception of the cool Communicator they brought out years ago. On the other hand, they have a very good marketing department.

    3. Re:Funny by TonkaTown · · Score: 1

      On an unlimited GPRS tariff - like the $10/month T-Mobile offering it'd work without significant cost, but if you're in patchy coverage it might not be much fun.

      The Symbian Series 60 platform already has Ogg, MP3 and Real player software available (RealPlayer is installed as standard in the Nokia 3650).

  20. Distracted Drivers by BubbaTheBarbarian · · Score: 0, Troll

    Satalites for your car is bad enough. Just thinking about the average soccer mom rolling around in her SUV while trying to whatch some chick flick bring me shivers. Oh, but wait!!! Now I have to worry about teen-agers and geeks playing donkey kong on thier cell phone! This will last until the first lawsuite by some moron who was playing a hacked game on thier phone and runs into someone...you know it will happen. :)

    1. Re:Distracted Drivers by ActionPlant · · Score: 1

      Right on. Although really we didn't have too much of a problem with this sort of thing happening when the gameboy first came out, I can see it developing. At the very least I'll be really annoyed when the light turns green and my lane isn't moving because some kid up in front hasn't looked up to notice.

      Damon,

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    2. Re:Distracted Drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I couldn't agree more. As I'm driving to work, reading your post on my conveniently web-enabled phone, I can't help but think how ridiculous it is to fiddle around with some gadget while trying to oper--

    3. Re:Distracted Drivers by EddyMerckx · · Score: 1

      Its already happened in Australia. Someone was SMS a friend and ran over a cyclist. http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,78 24958%255E26462,00.html

    4. Re:Distracted Drivers by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      In the UK it's illegal to use a cellphone whilst driving (or it will be on December 1st) so this won't become a problem. Anyway I'm sure the standard 'driving without due care and attention' will cover this kind of thing anyway.

    5. Re:Distracted Drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just because something is illegal doesn't mean people wont do it. you're not supposed to be driving and using a mobile at the same time in australia either but it doesn't stop people.

      and you can't tell me that you've never driven above the posted speed limit now can you?

  21. Slashdotted Already - Here's a copy by billstewart · · Score: 0, Redundant
    It's already dogging out. Here's a copy

    Nokia's N-Gage mobile gaming device has been cracked
    Posted by Dennis on 11 November 2003 - 14:50 - Source: SPOnG.com


    Mr. Belvedere, our Club CD Freaks Moderator, used our news submit to tell us that Nokia's N-Gage device has been cracked according to this information. The Nokia N-Gage device is primarily a handheld gaming device but it can also be used as an MP3 player, wireless browser and last but not least as a telephone.


    The games that were designed for the N-Gage will of course only work with the Nokia device but not anymore. Now that the security on the N-Gage has been cracked the games can be played on other mobile phones as well such as the Siemens SX1:


    Nokia will today be licking its wounds and doing a fair amount of worrying, with the revelation that the N-Gage's security has been cracked like an egg, with other manufacturers' handsets able to play the machine's software.


    Specifically, the Siemens SX1 is already capable of running N-Gage games, with Sonic N being the only game seen in public, though it's expected that the others won't be too far behind.


    This is expected to be the start of a process that will see third-party hardware add-on sales of devices that will enable many phones to simply suck up the N-Gage content, then go on their merry way.


    Nokia's reaction to this new, seemingly unforeseen problem, will be interesting to observe, to say the least.


    Some screenshots and video's of the Siemens SX1 mobile phone running the Nokia N-Gage games can be found on Club-Siemens. More information on the hacked N-Gage can be read here and here.

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    1. Re:Slashdotted Already - Here's a copy by muffen · · Score: 1

      As its slashdotted, heres a link to the "actual story". It's up right now :) http://www.spong.com/index.asp?art=5781

  22. thats great but.... by cRueLio · · Score: 1

    ...how's the work going on mophun games? Anyone cracked those yet?

    1. Re:thats great but.... by PierceLabs · · Score: 1

      Considering there are games just like it all over the place I'm not realy sure anyone is trying.

  23. Some moderators have no sense of humor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Learn to take a joke. It's not off-topic even if you don't find it funny.

    1. Re:Some moderators have no sense of humor by Scottaroo · · Score: 1

      Yes, but -1 Stupid isn't one of the options.

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    2. Re:Some moderators have no sense of humor by Emperor_CA · · Score: 1

      Which is really disapointing... Some people need to be told they are plain stupid.

    3. Re:Some moderators have no sense of humor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but -1 st00pid is exactly what you are. By they way, your email addy is reeses1@comcast.net Got that spambots? FUCK YOU!!!

    4. Re:Some moderators have no sense of humor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahahaha!

      Now that is quality.

    5. Re:Some moderators have no sense of humor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good old spite... ah the fun... see no one finds enough houmor in spite these days. Spite is the ultimate in humor. Enjoy the spam

    6. Re:Some moderators have no sense of humor by Scottaroo · · Score: 1

      I haven't checked that account since it was @home.com. Good luck getting anything but a bounce. It's a nice try though. Points for effort.

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  24. another site, pics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    http://www.club-siemens.net/preview/ngage/

  25. Obligatory by Dwedit · · Score: 3, Funny

    You bought an N-Gage, didn't you?

  26. Thank you for bringing this to our attention! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "Is there any purpose to this wretched film? The long drown-out sidehacking scenes? When Rommel visits the artist? When Rommel hits Big Jake?

    If Ross Hagen was attempting some profound message, he's completely lost me. Bad acting, bad ending. But beyond bad is the acting we get from three guys: Big Jake, Crap out, and Cooch/Gooch. I don't know where Ross Hagen found these guys and I don't WANT to know.

    Is there any significance to J.C.'s name (Jesus Christ)? Perhaps I'm giving Mr. Hagen a bit too much credit. Extra demerits for an overly brutal rape scene.

    "Number 9!" "

  27. Gameboy emulator. by aardwolf204 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I dont know about you but I would much rather have a phone powerful enough to run a Gameboy emulator.

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    1. Re:Gameboy emulator. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Heh. Sounds like a good mod project. Take apart a GBA and see if you can fit a phone in there somewhere.

      If that idea got popular, perhaps Nintendo would actually make GBA phones. Kinda like how they noticed the Afterburner backlight mod was popular and decided to add better lighting (the GBASP is not really backlit, though).

    2. Re:Gameboy emulator. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      There is a gameboy emulator for NGage (and indeed any other Series 60 phone).

      http://www.wildpalm.co.uk/GoBoy7650.html

    3. Re:Gameboy emulator. by secondsun · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A GBA is cheaper than most cell phones already, and it is much less ones that are powerful enough to emulate a GameBoy.

      Would someone please explain to me why I would want a game system, phone, answering machine, mp3 player, pda, web brwoser, toaster, ftp server, IceCast streaming server, microwave, linux ssh client, alarmclock radio, dvd player, and cell phone portable, buggy monstrosity that seem to be the norm these days? When my car breaks down I want to call a wrecker, not have to close apps and load a phone dialer program and worry about a system freeze/crash.

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    4. Re:Gameboy emulator. by menace690 · · Score: 1

      The Nokia 2650 and 7650 (Cousins of the N-Gage) have a gameboy emulator with sound available. Its called GoBoy. I love it.

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    5. Re:Gameboy emulator. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      afaik, afterburner isn't a real backlight either, considering the GBA screen isn't transparent.

    6. Re:Gameboy emulator. by glesga_kiss · · Score: 2, Informative
      Would someone please explain to me why I would want a game system, phone, answering machine, mp3 player, pda, web brwoser, toaster, ftp server, IceCast streaming server, microwave, linux ssh client, alarmclock radio, dvd player, and cell phone portable, buggy monstrosity that seem to be the norm these days?

      Eh? Because you only need to carry one device with you? I love being able to kill time by just doing daft things on my mobile, such as games, writing, eBooks, internet/e-mail.

      I can think of worse ways to pass time when you are away from home and need to wait for something, e.g. a bus.

    7. Re:Gameboy emulator. by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      I would much rather have a phone powerful enough to run a Gameboy emulator.

      Indeed. That's one of the favourite things about my phone. Playing the GBC version of tetris is where it's at!!

    8. Re:Gameboy emulator. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BabababababATMAN!!! Go get 'em, boio.

  28. I wonder if that explains... by Theaetetus · · Score: 4, Funny
    this?

    [snicker]

    -T

    1. Re:I wonder if that explains... by mcpkaaos · · Score: 1

      Yes, that is certainly an impressive demonstration of a stock plummeting. That is, until you realize the graph's scale is about, oh, a dollar.

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    2. Re:I wonder if that explains... by Monkelectric · · Score: 1

      actually it not even that. Look at the RANGE of the chart, 16.8 to 17.8, so Nokia stock has "plummeted" 1$, or about 6%. Not much to worry about yet.

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    3. Re:I wonder if that explains... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the crap sales of the N-Gage would account for it better.

    4. Re:I wonder if that explains... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      I really don't see why this thing has sprouted so many hecklers. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

      The Slashdot readership has often been a bunch of intellectual parrots but it has gone to a new low.

    5. Re:I wonder if that explains... by The+Evil+Couch · · Score: 1

      it bounced back today, the day they went public with it.

      I think that the increased media coverage is actually helping the interest in their crummy product.

      I wouldn't be surprised if nokia was actually assisting the hacking effort. actually, considering the dev-friendly attitude on nokia's forums, I'd say that they DID encourage it to happen, for precisely this reason.

  29. Grammar Flame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Schoolchildren in the U.S. are of course taught proper English grammar but not anymore.

  30. Talk about ego by mblase · · Score: 1, Funny

    Nokia will today be licking its wounds and doing a fair amount of worrying, with the revelation that the N-Gage's security has been cracked like an egg

    "In other news, all of us here at CD Freaks have ten-inch penises and can eat shattered glass without feeling pain. Boo-ya!"

    1. Re:Talk about ego by lullabud · · Score: 1

      just like a g33k to be stuck in a sausage fest with no girls. =P

  31. Has anyone even purchased one? by DroopyStonx · · Score: 1

    Not to be a troll or anything, but has anyone even purchased this thing?

    Do people really think they're gonna get a decent gaming system that's even remotely close to a GBA or Sony's up-coming handheld PSX?

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    1. Re:Has anyone even purchased one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but sonys psx or a gameboy won't let you phone your mom...

      some people *want* both in the one machine - maybe you don't get that. Same as the tossers on here who shout about wanting a phone to phone - yet their pc is their dvd/radio/tivo....

    2. Re:Has anyone even purchased one? by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      100.000 s or more, its a Nokia...

    3. Re:Has anyone even purchased one? by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > some people *want* both in the one machine - maybe you don't get that.

      It might as well be another machine. The point of having everything in one device is convenience. It's not convenient that you have take the damn thing apart to make a phone call or play a game. They should not have released this device until they could get the phone & games to work at the same time. If they could have done that, people might be moderately impressed. C'Mon, Nokia, get with the times.

  32. The crack is really easy too by doublem · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just hit A - B - A - A - A - C - Select and it gives you a "send ROM as e-mail" prompt!

    Sweet!

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    1. Re:The crack is really easy too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought it was
      Up Down Left Right B A B A select start. ;)

    2. Re:The crack is really easy too by Hentai · · Score: 1

      So what does up-up-down-down-left-right-left-right-B-A do?

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    3. Re:The crack is really easy too by doublem · · Score: 2, Funny

      That starts playing the video of Bill Gates and "Monkey Boy" Balmer getting it on. You really don't want to see that one. The main image on goatse.cx is a screen capture from the film.

      Frightening Stuff

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    4. Re:The crack is really easy too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It fully recharges your phone's battery of course!

  33. Woo-freakin'-hoo! by BeProf · · Score: 1

    So am I the only person left that only uses his phone for talking to people?

    What's next? NetHack for my toaster?

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    1. Re:Woo-freakin'-hoo! by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      What's next? NetHack for my toaster?

      Does your toaster run WinCE?

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    2. Re:Woo-freakin'-hoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry your too late my toaster has a 100mbit connection and you can run nethack on it ;)

    3. Re:Woo-freakin'-hoo! by HomerJayS · · Score: 1
      Congress recently passed the "Wireless Phone Usage Act of 2003" which enumerated acceptable usage for said devices:
      • texting
      • game playing
      • playing annoying ring tones
      • pre-arranging calls to get you out of meetings
      Actually using the device to speak to a person is expressly forbidden except when in movie theatre.
  34. Bittorrents ... by polyp2000 · · Score: 1

    doesnt surprise me, the latest roms are all over
    suprnova.org already ;)

    nick

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  35. Lousy Games by bstadil · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Look at Game Ranking to get a sense of the poor quality of the N-Gage games.

    Game Ranking has ever removed the N-Gage from the frontpage listing of platforms, that they had a few week ago.

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    1. Re:Lousy Games by Gumshoe · · Score: 2, Informative
      Game Ranking has ever removed the N-Gage from the frontpage listing of platforms, that they had a few week ago.


      They must have put it back then. Either that or I'm seeing things.
    2. Re:Lousy Games by bstadil · · Score: 1
      Sorry, I should have been more specific.

      Look at the Latest review listing there is no N-Cage games. Maybe it's because there has not been any reviews for a N-Cage game within the relevant period. If so My Bad

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  36. Sweet! by phoebusQ · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Now all SIX people who bought an N-Gage can put down their systems and get ready for some DMCA-style fun!

  37. This is Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    N-Gage games were cracked fe weeks back.
    It started with Tomb Raider.
    Last week a warez game group "Blizzard" released all 5 games plus a installer that installs directly to any blank mmc. The N-Gage does not have any special hardware all it uses is software to run these games. Kind of sucks I bought one for the fact it had a mp3, radio and a setup to be able to play java games and such easiar. Sad to say that it is cracked it was bound to happen anyways. Its a great phone has all the features anyone woudl want minus a camera.. and only bad thing i find about it is the ear speaker being on the side of the phone unlike the 3300

    1. Re:This is Old News by botzi · · Score: 1

      The N-Gage does not have any special hardware Define "special hardware", please. Or better. Show me a list of the phones for 300 with a 100Mhz processor. Yes it does not have a 3d accelerator(doesn't it?), but that does not mean that it's common mobile phone power we're talking about.

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    2. Re:This is Old News by TraumaHound · · Score: 1
      I bought one


      No wonder you posted anonymously.
    3. Re:This is Old News by wantedman · · Score: 1

      He means, there is no special copy protection hardware. Not 'the phone has no hardware at all'.

    4. Re:This is Old News by iainl · · Score: 1

      Apart from having more memory than some (but not all), its of the same order of power as the rest of the Symbian phones out there. It may be quite cheap as Symbian phones go, but its not unique, as the fact that it'll run Sonic N, Tomb Raider etc. demonstrates.

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  38. sidetalkin' by joenobody · · Score: 3, Funny

    The N-Gage fails as a video game platform (take the battery out to switch games!?) and as a cell phone. If you wonder why it fails as a cell phone, well, you have to sidetalk.

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    1. Re:sidetalkin' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      omg, I've never seen such a large collection of absolutely hideous people

    2. Re:sidetalkin' by TonkaTown · · Score: 1

      You only have to take the battery off to switch games that you've bought in MMC cards.

      There's plenty of N-Gage (and other Symbian series 60) games (and apps) that are available for download straight to your phone either OTA (Over The Air) or via Bluetooth from your PC.

      My-Symbian has extensive lists of the apps available for all the Symbian platforms.

  39. Nokia Press Release by EvilXenu · · Score: 1

    In response to the recent hacking of their N-Gage, Nokia has issued the following press release on their website:

    "Fuck you. That is all."

  40. Get the warez here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get the games + installer here.

    -- The Slashdot Warez CreW

  41. not java! by linuxislandsucks · · Score: 1

    n-guage does nto run java or j2me..from a j2me developer

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    1. Re:not java! by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      It has no Java? you sure? I mean I can't believe the stupidy of Nokia or their "cleverness" to make people stuck to their own games.

      As a Siemens owner can't sen EMS SMS to Nokia owners...

    2. Re:not java! by TonkaTown · · Score: 1

      I hate to say this, but you're not even close.

      The N-Gage (note the spelling) runs J2ME MIDP 1.0 details from Foum Nokia

  42. Take the train by Migraineman · · Score: 4, Funny

    In an early morning press conference, Nokia announced that it would attempt to derail software crackers by changing it's N-Gage software to either O-Gage or the ever-popular HO-Gage. Model railroaders around the world were confused.

    1. Re:Take the train by glucoseboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      LOLRF. I don't know why I found that so funny, I don't even have model trains. thanks for lifting up the day.

    2. Re:Take the train by Typingsux · · Score: 1
      Modded to the max, so you can't go any further. I love my dads Lionels from the 40's.

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  43. Screenshots and Video by pocketlint · · Score: 1

    More coverage with screenshots and video of the games loading can be found here.

  44. Re:Whatever.... by botzi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Jeez??? Interesting?? /. can always surprise me. Let's put it that way *dude*. Have you seen THPS on the N-Gage? No? Well, let me than tell you that it is FAR AHEAD of the current state of mobile gaming and nothing before the PSP will even get closer. As for this crack the small catch* is that the games programmed for Symbian 6 will be surely played on every phone runnning the OS, what they forget to tell you is that having the hardware to run the Os, doesn't mean you have the hardware to run the game(SonicN is a 3mb 2d-game, there're even better java games there(imagine how ugly is it). So mod the whole article as flamebait at least till the next generation of 600$ phones and then spending 600$ for a smartphone and using it is a game platform is not magnificient move, IMHO.

    Oh, and to all the j2me trolls out there. The games for the N-Gage are done in C++ with the approriate SDK.

    PS: As for the major flaws: Another crack that come out this week is that all the N-Gage games can now be run from a memory card(not ROM). Conclusion => the original "flow" of having to change the card each time you want to play another game is somehow fixed by the *crackers*. The biggest game I've seen for the moment is ~15 MB. 5-6 games fit pretty well on a 64Mb card don't you think????
    Finally the N-Gage is a very good gaming system suffering from a restricted(if any?) game catalog and ridiculous price. I get mine for 90$ from a morron reading too many negetavie reviews, so kudos to you gyus.

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  45. It'll be interesting to see how Nokia handles this by kensai · · Score: 1

    With a healthy dose of DMCA, that's how.

  46. Excuse me, but I have to ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why would anyone want to crack this piece of crap technology?

    Yeah, mod me down, but someone had to do it.

  47. Here's Nokia's reply by Psychic+Burrito · · Score: 2, Informative
    Here's Nokia's reply:

    "We're aware of it and we're taking it seriously," Damian Stathonikos, spokesman for Nokia Mobile Phones, which is responsible for the N-Gage device, told Dow Jones Newswires.

    Stathonikos said after a cursory look at the Web sites it wasn't clear that the claims being made about hackers cracking the protection was true. "Sometimes it's not 100% clear what they've done and if they've done what they say they have. The bark can be louder than the bite," he said.

    Complete article here.

    1. Re:Here's Nokia's reply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now shout "Damian" in tone of Omen...

  48. N-Gage by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 4, Funny

    3 out of 5 gamers agree,
    It's a better cell phone than the Game Boy Advance

    1. Re:N-Gage by Thedalek · · Score: 1

      Sure, it's a better cell phone than the GBA.

      However, even my '87 Honda Accord is a better automobile than both the Nokia nGage and the GBA. Then again, none of those things have the flavor, texture, or nutritional value of Pringles potato crisps.

      Cross comparisons just plain don't make sense. Why not talk about how the nGage stacks up against other gaming-enabled cell phones, especially considering the asking price for the unit and games?

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    2. Re:N-Gage by N1KO · · Score: 1

      It's too big for a phone, too expensive to compete with the gba, the memory card system is way more complicated than that of an mp3 player... you can't really compare it with anything else because most devices do at least one thing well, this one sucks at everything.

    3. Re:N-Gage by iainl · · Score: 1

      While it may be a better cellphone than the GBA, its not as good as the Nokia 8210. Since this and an SP put together are only as big as an N-Gage, you could build the ultimate gaming phone with the use of an elastic band, should you insist...

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    4. Re:N-Gage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good God, man, turn on your +1 funny detector.

  49. Cut their losses by obsid1an · · Score: 1

    Nokia should just get up and walk away from the N-Gage and cut their loses. This thing offers hardly any advantages over GameBoy at twice the cost. The game selection sucks, the screen is in portrait instead of landscape, and there are WAY too many buttons.

    Nokia doesn't belong in the handheld game console business. They should just continue making phones that can play games. Not make a game machine that doubles as a phone.

    1. Re:Cut their losses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nokia has to expand to new markets as it reaches 40% market share with cell phones (and much bigger when considering all the phones that run Nokia's Series 40/60/etc and pay licensing fees for that). And developing an N-Gage 2 with all the original problems fixed isn't exactly "costly" compared to Nokia's whole R&D budget which compares to small countries' 10 years GDP ;-)

  50. Yes but... by delirium28 · · Score: 1

    Can it run linux?

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  51. Re:666 The Number of The Beast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SasasasasasATAN!! Go get 'em, boio.

  52. Let's face it... by herrvinny · · Score: 1

    Nokia wasn't going to make money on the N-Gage anyway. Nobody is buying it. The best thing for Nokia to do, IMHO, is to keep on making games for the N-Gage anyway, and wait until people steal them for their Siemens, etc cellphones. At least Nokia will get some good publicity.

  53. Wow, that took all of - what - 2 weeks? by slappyjack · · Score: 1

    Its amazing how fast these freaking things get cracked open.

  54. Pictures by billscarwasher · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here are some shots of Sonic running on the Siemens SX1.

    here

  55. But even funnier by The+Tyro · · Score: 3, Funny

    is the HUGE Business Software Alliance banner ad that greeted me when I opened their webpage.

    I don't know what to say...

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  56. WHAT PLAYS by exhilaration · · Score: 4, Informative
    Here's the list, from an unofficial source:

    Siemens SX1 plays:
    Sonic
    Tomb Raider
    Puyo Pop
    Pandemonium
    Tony Hawk

    Nokia 6600 plays:
    Pandemonium
    Puyo Pop
    Sonic
    Tomb Raider
    Tony Hawk
    (Puzzle Bubble fails)

    Nokia 3650 plays:
    Sonic
    Puyo Pop
    (everything else fails due to insufficient RAM)

  57. Re:CALL ME DOGSHIT SANTA TROLL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear Dogshit Santa Troll,

    All I want for Christmas is A COLD BAG OF DOG SHIT BY MY FRONT DOOR!

    Sincerely,
    A Douchebag

  58. HORRAY! by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 2, Funny
    Oh happy day, this is great news! NGage games for me!

    * throws PS2 out of window *

    Horray!

  59. homebrew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    can someone make an SDK for it now?

  60. correction: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    3 out of THE 5 gamers agree,

  61. Re:Whatever.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I guess we just discovered a new mental disorder. I wonder what we should call it when you actually like the N-Gage? I can't think of anything else besides "Fucked up in the head".

  62. Ugh. by GwabbaWabba · · Score: 0

    It actually pisses me off that I won't get to see them crash and burn on their own now. I wanted them to fail because their games sucked. Not because someone thought it would be cool to h4xx0r them.

  63. Nokia's DRM History by avel599 · · Score: 1
    Nokia seems to have some history with unsuccessful DRM.

    Nokia 5510 (the 'ugly' one with the qwerty keyboard , "mp3" player and 64MB RAM) had a DRM scheme which required files to be encoded with their crappy app (Nokia audio manager) in order to play. Nokryptia is a tool that simply prepended zeroes to the file, where the key should be, in order for them to play, and thus made the device usable by linux users.

    I'm not surprised with this outcome.

  64. N-gage on the Nokia 3650 by jefdiesel · · Score: 1

    I read reports of this online.. checked some 3650 forums.. and within a few hours I was running sonic-N and puyo pop..

    Limitations on the 3650 include the 4mb of internal memory, 1mb or so which is taken by the phone, but apps like Psiloc System Tools let you enable a 'flight mode' which requires you remove the SIM card, and lets you reboot with the telephone app disabled, providing more RAM available to the game.

    While this is a bit sloppy, powering down, removing case, battery and SIM, there is another option, booting the phone in safe mode, by holding the 'pencil' key on restart.
    This keeps your phone 'app' running, but disables extras that steal RAM on startup, like screensaver.

    I have ROM's for 8 games, but I still am on my stock 16mb MMC card, so the larger games, over 3mb file size, wont fit.. need double the size at least, plus all my pics, contacts, and REGULAR GAMES, to unpack and install. new 128mb coming from eBay, so I can copy Tony Hawk over and see!

    And as one sig file said.. 'My 3650 can play N-gage games, can your N-gage take pictures?'

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    1. Re:N-gage on the Nokia 3650 by polyp2000 · · Score: 1

      N gage has 3.4mb of internal memory according to different sources , see specs on expansys for example, MMC cards are available in the same capacities.

      http://www.msn.com.sg/mobile/ngage1/Default.asp? MS ID=70bfa28341314d3b9264bcf2e35d5634
      http://www.n- gage-games.com/

      From what you are saying, that memory is the discerning factor in wether or not these games run, my research suggests that memory is not an issue in terms of running the game, you might need a larger backing store (MMC card) but aside from that they seem pretty similar in spec.

      I wish i had a 3650 to try it out.

      nick ...

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    2. Re:N-gage on the Nokia 3650 by iainl · · Score: 1

      "While this is a bit sloppy, powering down, removing case, battery and SIM"

      Annoying, yes, but no more so than changing game on the N-Gage, so who cares?

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  65. EUCD by yerricde · · Score: 1

    What other nation is as technologically developed as the United States, the European Union nations, Canada, Japan, or South Korea? The United States has a DMCA, and the EU has its own DMCA-alike called the EUCD. I don't know what's happening with respect copy-control legislation in Canada or the East.

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  66. Teh Security by Wuukie · · Score: 1

    "You know, N-Gage is really a normal series 60 cellphone, so won't people be able to play these on other Series 60 cellphones?"
    "Of course they can't! I encrypted the images with so called XOR42 cipher."

  67. Hackers fix N-Gage games by Kris_J · · Score: 1
    In a short press statement the Blizzard hacking group said they thought the N-Gage was a great games system, but having to swap out your MP3 ringtones with your data MMC just to play a single game was stupid, so they fixed it. Multiple games can now be loaded onto the same card that the rest of your data lives on. Gamers that were balking at the restrictions are now conidering the puchase of one or more games and manufacturers of the larger MMC cards greated the news warmly.
    Now that I can have the commerical games with me without having to worry about losing a small expensive MMC card, I'll be buying all the games except Tony Hawk's the weekend after next. Nokia can try and work that one out.
  68. Bankruptcy in T-minus 90 days... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prepare for bankruptcy in T-minus 90 days...ENGAGE!

  69. Welcome.... by seaQuest_AMD · · Score: 1

    I for one welcome our crappy game copying overlords.

  70. Re:Whatever.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Have you seen THPS on the N-Gage? No? Well, let me than tell you that it is FAR AHEAD of the current state of mobile gaming and nothing before the PSP will even get closer.


    Tapwave Zodiac.


    You're welcome.

  71. Disclaimer by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    How long before DMCA stickers are afixed to all forms of electronics on the consumer packaging? Kinda like a surgeon generals warning on a box of cigarettes.

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  72. New entry for... by inkless1 · · Score: 1

    Most botched launch of a product ever.

  73. Surely you meant... by Phil+John · · Score: 2, Funny

    Prepare for bankruptcy in T-minus 90 days...

    N-GAGE! :o)

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  74. Jesus christ you people are stupid. by FRAKK2 · · Score: 0

    I don't know what its like in the states, but over here in the UK, you get the N-Gage free with a contract!!.

    Jesus christ all the people who bought them through a gaming store are fucking morons!!, the idiot gaming press are just counting stores sales because they are such clueless fuckwits that they don't know that most phones are sold with contracts.

    Nokia has sold over 500,000 of these to the mobile companies, who subside them to the customers.

    Jesus people get a fucking clue!!

  75. IMHO, alot. by Ch_Omega · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As if the N-Gage wasnt having enough problems, now what reason do people have to actually pay money for this thing?

    Well, not to sound like an Nokia marketteer, but in my opinion, the N-Gage has recieved alot unfair critisism, maybe because of it trying so hard to be both fish and fowl.

    First of all, the N-Gage is a standard Series60 phone, exept for a few small differences, as f.eks. stereo sound(enabling Stereo MP3's/ogg's), FM-radio(which no other series60 phone has) and lack of camera(which all other series60 phones has). So, if you simply want a cheap series60 phone(to f.eks. use as a small PDA/web browser on the go(Opera)/radio/MP3/Ogg-player), and don't need a camera, the N-Gage might be a better alternative than f.eks. any of the other series60 phones. If not used primarly as a gamedevice, alot of it's criticism will be more or less irrelevant. And as of the speaker/microphone placement, using a handfree will solve that...

    Another thing that is worth pointing out, is that even though you can now download and run games on other Series60 devices(and that is, *ONLY on series60 devices*), most of them don't support more than one simultanous key-press, and the keys aren't exactly layed with gaming in mind. Anyone who has ever played emulated gameboy games on f.eks. a Nokia 3650 will probably nod their heads when I say that it sucks.

    So, even though it seems to be vogue to hate it, It's still a great device(in a PDA-sense) in my opinion, even though it's not too successfull at what Nokia had in mind, namely gaming.

    1. Re:IMHO, alot. by Mathonwy · · Score: 1

      and the keys aren't exactly layed with gaming in mind.

      Actually, according to most reviews I've seen of it [and supported by the little sample one they have at EB games] the buttons ON the n-gag e weren't really layed out with gaming in mind either. I'm not really sure WHAT was in mind when they were layed out, but it wasn't gaming. (If I had to hazard a guess what WAS on mind though, I think I'd have to say it was "pain".)

  76. Playing feature length movies on N-gage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone needs to show off the features of N-Gage. One of the best features (if your stuck on a plane/train/automobile) is the ability to play Real Media video files. There are a couple of websites out there that offer small downloads, but one of the most asked questions we've had is "how do I dump a full-length feature movie to my N-Gage?" http://www.ngagegaming.com/news/news.cgi/article/E pylVlZuZpsaZgzOFZ/tmpl/nxt_features/prof/feat

  77. Nokia's Initial Response by pueywei · · Score: 1

    Nokia reacted to the news with concern and caution. "We're aware of it and we're taking it seriously," a spokesperson for the Finnish phone-maker told GameSpot. "Right now we are looking into the claims." He went on to add that Nokia would formally respond later today or tomorrow.

    Thanks Gamespot

  78. Series 60 is owned fully by Nokia anyway.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...so even that nGage sales might suffer, they still make money out of all S60 phones by licensing the system for other providers (such as Siemens and Samsung).

    (Don't confuse S60 with Symbian, which is only ~20% owned by Nokia and powers the S60)

  79. Nokia now has something to blame failure on... by Caffeine+Pill · · Score: 1


    The horrible thing about this is that now (when the N-Gage fails) Nokia has a reason for it's failure. Everyone out there knows that the phone itself suffers from some of the worst design flaws created - but now that the games have been cracked watch for a 'What Went Wrong' article after the N-Gage's demise talking about how well the phone would have done had it not been for those damn haxors.

  80. CNN/Money also reiterated it by taperkat · · Score: 1
    http://money.cnn.com/2003/11/12/technology/nokia_n gage.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes

    '"This is not something the average consumer can do. You need to have very specialized software tools and very specialized skills," Stathonikos said.'

    ... you have got to be kidding.

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  81. Oh sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Siemens looks nicer, and now can play n-gage games, but can you sidetalk with it? Doubtful.

  82. Swedish newspaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From a swedish newspaper:
    http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/it/story /0,2789,3900 66,00.html

    Hackers have cracked the nokia n-gage ... ...
    It can also be possible to play the cracked N-Gage games on other cellphones - even though they might not have enough memory or hardware to display 3d graphics to play all the games. ...

    So, they are focusing on the fact that Nokia is trying to protect you from playing the games even though your phone doesn't meet the requirements. Thank you nokia!

  83. not as a normal phone by Mister.de · · Score: 1

    i got one of these tacos.. on the very first day.. and also tested all avaiable software... but, now i gonna sell this gamedeck.. its useless! why? i've never used it for calling my buddies.. cause it's so bad to use it as a normal phone.. only with a headset or handfree your are able to understand a word.. so i never sold my 6100 and always used this for calling, now i can use it (or my next 6600) for ngage gaming and calling -great! hehe :)