Translation: we won't be able to pull the kind of fraud we're accustomed to doing, because the algorithms will be programmed to actually follow the law. Humans can be bribed and leaned on, and that's what they depend on. Play fair? Not in this lifetime.
There isn't a more dead-on analysis than this.
Absofuckinglutely correct.
Are you guys that fucking naive!? Seriously?!
Programs are going to be written to break the law - on purpose - and IF caught, they will just say it was a "bug" and we've fixed it. Our bad.
The banks wrote code that broke the law. They wrote code the would put folks into over draft by manipulating the posting of transactions.
Speaking of naive, I'm really starting to wonder if you truly grasp what humans have managed to fuck up when in charge.
Traditional methods of assessing creditworthiness are at risk of being replaced? We can only fucking hope so, since humans turning a corrupt eye to that led to the 2008 financial meltdown.
Spot profitable trades? You mean a learning algorithm might actually learn the true value? Heaven forbid we replace bullshit valuations and artificial inflation driven by greed.
As far as manipulating postings to generate overdraft fees, it would take quite a criminal act in order for that to happen to a responsible person who manages a proper buffer in a savings account. Generally it's a completely avoidable position to be in, so I find little sympathy for those who dance very close to the financial fire.
Translation: we won't be able to pull the kind of fraud we're accustomed to doing, because the algorithms will be programmed to actually follow the law. Humans can be bribed and leaned on, and that's what they depend on. Play fair? Not in this lifetime.
Speaking as a lawyer, I'm afraid you have far too much confidence in the judicial system. People have been convicted based on a lot less than a seemingly perfect photograph and few criminal defendants have the financial wherewithal to hire an expert to contest the veracity of a spoofed photo.
Exactly. The one with the most money wins is often more truth than hyperbole.
Since photographic evidence is commonly used to convict people of a crime, I can't but help wonder if our legal system will be able to keep up with technology in order to avoid the manipulation that may ultimately condemn an innocent person.
It's quite concerning when the term "indistinguishable" is used to describe technology, as 12 randomly selected citizens can be indistinguishable from a group of morons who are unable to tell the difference between real and fake.
You sound angry. Have you noticed the same feelings about other people that are smarter than you?
This is rather comical when discussing an electronic device that manufacturers were forced to idiot-proof in order to simply meet demand.
The void of intelligence and common sense in society today is now large enough to warrant awards of Darwinian magnitude. I suppose this inexplicable devolution is often found to be frustrating to people smarter than you.
half the world’s nickel supply is too low in quality to use for car batteries.
1. There is plenty of nickel in the planet's crust.
2. Since nickel is an element, it can be refined into pure nickel with the application of chemistry.
3. All the elements in batteries can be extracted and reused, it's just a matter of chemistry.
Consider aluminum for a moment: despite being extremely abundant, it's rarely found in it's elemental state (which is why it used to be valued more than gold). Then we figured out how to extract it and now it's dirt cheap.
This is just click-bait alarmist bullshit.
Perhaps what is truly alarming is your assumptive ignorance.
We can reuse today. We don't, because we humans happen to suck at recycling. That's not because we suck at chemistry. It's because we suck at policy and enforcement.
And we suck at predicting the future, so multiply demand predictions by 5x.
Oh, and we also suck at estimating the bloodlust of Greed N. Corruption, so multiply future nickel refinement costs by 20x. Perhaps then we can start estimating the practical feasibility and cost of EV solutions in 20 years, in the face of depleting fossil fuel demand and the warmongering that fucking Greed will ultimately create.
Perhaps you're right. These alarmist asshats act like we're wasteful or some shit. Back to our regularly scheduled program of pissing away a few million metric fucktons on disposable electronics and minting pennies and nickels...
US Nickels (5 cent coins) are 75% copper and 25% nickel.
You'd need five ($0.25 at face value) to get just 5 cents worth of nickel at today's prices. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that price rise.
The only thing we need to take away from your clarification here is understanding just how much copper we're pissing away with nickel by minting fucking nickels. The sudden irony of "nickel and dime you to death" is like a slap to the face.
And I have little doubt that the government would take them out of circulation and change the composition long before things reach the point that it becomes economical to melt them.
I have little doubt that your confidence in the government is utterly false. If you thought pressing nickels was wasteful and pointless, might I remind you the government continues to lose money minting fucking pennies.
UBS estimates that 15 million electric vehicles will be on the road by 2025, lifting nickel demand by 300,000-900,000 tonnes, or by 10-40 percent of the current market.
Got that? In 7 years, nickel supply only needs to grow by 10-40%. Which is nothing. I mean, great if you're a nickel mining company, but not exactly the plot of a post-apocalyptic movie.
Since you're clearly failing to grasp the big picture here, let me point out the fact that 7 years isn't shit. Mind telling me what the 30-year outlook looks like with that kind of demand? Mind telling me what the alternatives are when fossil fuels are depleted? The latter is the reminder of the apocalypse we're trying to avoid here, so demand is going to increase considerably for alternatives, and the minerals they require. We're quite good at underestimating too, and a 40% increase in nickel supply in less than a decade is considerable.
Capitalistic Greed that has turned current mineral-dependent electronics into disposable objects with 18 month lifespans. At the rate of capitalistic Greed, the future is a disposable EV car replaced every 3 years simply because the manufacturer wants to sustain 60% profit margins. You'll need to take that into consideration too, especially as recycling programs remain optional at best.
You really overestimate their intelligence. These are likely the same people who use Facebook and Windows despite repeated instances of blatant malicious behavior. There is a large portion of users that will not quit using abusive systems no matter the cost.
Hate to point out the obvious, but cost is the main reason cheap-ass users put up with the abuse, particularly with social media.
Facebook could start stealing identities and destroying credit scores tomorrow, and users would still brag that it's free.
I was always a proponent of Daylight Saving Time. Moving all the clocks ahead or back an hour was always a lot of fun.
This, though, ruins it for me. I think we should ban DST altogether.
Well, you gotta admit it would be rather funny if a grammar war was what ultimately ended it...
I'm going to continue to say Daylight Savings Time, because that is how nearly everyone says it...
Translation: I'm going to continue to say Daylight Savings Time, because Fuck You, that's why. Who the hell needs logic driven by grammar rules anyway.
In 50 years, hopefully we will have done away with daylight savings time completely...
50 years? Pffft. My clocks are all set to Zulu time, because Fuck You, that's why.
Bill Gates is evil because Windows was successful? He is that top 0.001%. Why is his wealth evil and how is he harming poor people when people willingly bought a product he offered?
When insecurity of the worlds most popular OS is directly responsible for the loss of global information, it becomes difficult to define "success".
That said, Bill Gates is doing good things with his wealth. He doesn't appear to be sustaining a goal of becoming the next trillionaire, indifferent of the masses. The Bill and Melinda Gates foundation tends to be evidence of that.
Not all billionaires are part of the problem. Society still champions building wealth to an obscene level, which is impacting the world, and not in a good way. The financial meltdown of 2008 is a perfect example of Greed gone bad, and unfortunately ruthless corruption shows we haven't done a damn thing to prevent the Banking Industrial Complex from repeating history, to the detriment of the world.
If the world is truly in decline, then how do we explain the unending rise of the Military Industrial Complex?
How do we explain the Incarcerated States of America?
How do we explain the continued militarization of our civilian police forces?
My original statement stands, because ruthless Greed created this shit. Warmongering is a proven for-profit business, which is why ruthless Greed continues to sustain it. The sick part about that is putting a price tag on human lives to define profit.
Also, it's a bit difficult to believe the statistics you've presented when the constant metric (global population) has been on the rise since the dawn of time, thus perpetually watering down the results.
What you call "greed" is basic survival mechanisms. I want to eat and reproduce. I want as many of my children to eat and reproduce.
You are welcome to suicide yourself and your offspring for this abstract retarded concept you've invented. In fact, I'm going to actively encourage you. You're a great person!
Meanwhile, enjoy watching my 5 kids playing at the park when you're 70 and childless. I won.
A nominal amount of Greed in order to survive is one thing. I'm not talking about that. When I speak of crippling Greed, I'm talking about the obscene levels we've reached today. I'm talking about the chasm between the 0.001% and the rest of the fucking planet that will ultimately suffer due to not treating the disease that creates ruthless Greed.
A billionaire doesn't maintain a desire to become a trillionaire because of "survival mechanisms", so let's just drop that bullshit argument. There is nothing being served by perpetuating ruthless Greed, as it serves no one but those addicted to it. If the future of mankind relied upon culling the human population by 50%, Greed wouldn't give it a second thought to save it's own ass. The 2008 financial collapse was just a hint of what ruthless Greed is capable of, and we haven't done a fucking thing to prevent a repeat of that.
Solve for Greed. Otherwise, mankind will be consumed by it.
"Now, consider modern pop stars: who can only sing (not play any instruments), are singing songs written by someone else, and are having their vocals put through filters and auto-tune in production, and live out a personality in public groomed by their marketing agency."
Like say, Bing Crosby and Doris Day?
No, not like Bing Crosby or Doris Day. Stars of yesteryear actually had a recognized talent. A natural ability to sing anyone's songs.
We have mostly entertainers today, who are more valued for their porn star looks and ability to dance around on a stage. Many rely on lip-syncing and Autotune because they cannot actually sing. Society accepts this because they now value entertainment more than natural talent.
The rise of a virtual singer only clarifies just how far we've fallen. Regardless if Hatsune's vocals are based on a "real" person, it's still a manufactured product at best. I don't even call an Autotuned human voice authentic, because it's not.
Sure but that's not just humans, that's just the very nature of existence. The whole universe and certainly life itself is built around conflicting forces to some degree or another.
It's a hell of a lot easier to understand and accept the why of organic chaos than it is to understand or justify manufactured chaos.
It's been long proven that warmongering is run as a for-profit business. The problem with that morally bankrupt justification is profit is measured by putting a price tag on something that should be priceless; human life.
You're basically arguing that reality is harsh, you're right. Our biggest achievement will be resisting the very nature of existence if we manage it.
Our biggest achievement will be solving for the disease of crippling Greed before it becomes the very cause of our own demise. The chasm continues to widen as wealthy elitists distance themselves from the rest of the human race, so let's not pretend those in control give a shit about the other 99.999% of the population.
The Future of War should be an absence of it. Greed will never allow that to happen.
We pretend replacing humans with bots on a 21st century battlefield is "progress". It's not. We've won a battle, but we're still waging war for profits sake.
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Translation: we won't be able to pull the kind of fraud we're accustomed to doing, because the algorithms will be programmed to actually follow the law. Humans can be bribed and leaned on, and that's what they depend on. Play fair? Not in this lifetime.
There isn't a more dead-on analysis than this.
Absofuckinglutely correct.
Are you guys that fucking naive!? Seriously?!
Programs are going to be written to break the law - on purpose - and IF caught, they will just say it was a "bug" and we've fixed it. Our bad.
The banks wrote code that broke the law. They wrote code the would put folks into over draft by manipulating the posting of transactions.
Speaking of naive, I'm really starting to wonder if you truly grasp what humans have managed to fuck up when in charge.
Traditional methods of assessing creditworthiness are at risk of being replaced? We can only fucking hope so, since humans turning a corrupt eye to that led to the 2008 financial meltdown.
Spot profitable trades? You mean a learning algorithm might actually learn the true value? Heaven forbid we replace bullshit valuations and artificial inflation driven by greed.
As far as manipulating postings to generate overdraft fees, it would take quite a criminal act in order for that to happen to a responsible person who manages a proper buffer in a savings account. Generally it's a completely avoidable position to be in, so I find little sympathy for those who dance very close to the financial fire.
Translation: we won't be able to pull the kind of fraud we're accustomed to doing, because the algorithms will be programmed to actually follow the law. Humans can be bribed and leaned on, and that's what they depend on. Play fair? Not in this lifetime.
There isn't a more dead-on analysis than this.
Absofuckinglutely correct.
Speaking as a lawyer, I'm afraid you have far too much confidence in the judicial system. People have been convicted based on a lot less than a seemingly perfect photograph and few criminal defendants have the financial wherewithal to hire an expert to contest the veracity of a spoofed photo.
Exactly. The one with the most money wins is often more truth than hyperbole.
More angry gibberish, you aren't 'discussing' anything. You could have just said 'yes'
Thank you for clarifying your value-add here, as well as confirming the void.
Have a nice day.
Since photographic evidence is commonly used to convict people of a crime, I can't but help wonder if our legal system will be able to keep up with technology in order to avoid the manipulation that may ultimately condemn an innocent person.
It's quite concerning when the term "indistinguishable" is used to describe technology, as 12 randomly selected citizens can be indistinguishable from a group of morons who are unable to tell the difference between real and fake.
You sound angry. Have you noticed the same feelings about other people that are smarter than you?
This is rather comical when discussing an electronic device that manufacturers were forced to idiot-proof in order to simply meet demand.
The void of intelligence and common sense in society today is now large enough to warrant awards of Darwinian magnitude. I suppose this inexplicable devolution is often found to be frustrating to people smarter than you.
half the world’s nickel supply is too low in quality to use for car batteries.
1. There is plenty of nickel in the planet's crust. 2. Since nickel is an element, it can be refined into pure nickel with the application of chemistry. 3. All the elements in batteries can be extracted and reused, it's just a matter of chemistry.
Consider aluminum for a moment: despite being extremely abundant, it's rarely found in it's elemental state (which is why it used to be valued more than gold). Then we figured out how to extract it and now it's dirt cheap.
This is just click-bait alarmist bullshit.
Perhaps what is truly alarming is your assumptive ignorance.
We can reuse today. We don't, because we humans happen to suck at recycling. That's not because we suck at chemistry. It's because we suck at policy and enforcement.
And we suck at predicting the future, so multiply demand predictions by 5x.
Oh, and we also suck at estimating the bloodlust of Greed N. Corruption, so multiply future nickel refinement costs by 20x. Perhaps then we can start estimating the practical feasibility and cost of EV solutions in 20 years, in the face of depleting fossil fuel demand and the warmongering that fucking Greed will ultimately create.
Perhaps you're right. These alarmist asshats act like we're wasteful or some shit. Back to our regularly scheduled program of pissing away a few million metric fucktons on disposable electronics and minting pennies and nickels...
US Nickels (5 cent coins) are 75% copper and 25% nickel.
You'd need five ($0.25 at face value) to get just 5 cents worth of nickel at today's prices. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that price rise.
The only thing we need to take away from your clarification here is understanding just how much copper we're pissing away with nickel by minting fucking nickels. The sudden irony of "nickel and dime you to death" is like a slap to the face.
And I have little doubt that the government would take them out of circulation and change the composition long before things reach the point that it becomes economical to melt them.
I have little doubt that your confidence in the government is utterly false. If you thought pressing nickels was wasteful and pointless, might I remind you the government continues to lose money minting fucking pennies.
They said that too in the 70s. You're just repeating the cycle fool.
You know what fools also say often?
"Oh, don't worry. That will never happen."
Ironically, this will also be the epitaph of humanity.
To not put too fine of a point on it:
Got that? In 7 years, nickel supply only needs to grow by 10-40%. Which is nothing. I mean, great if you're a nickel mining company, but not exactly the plot of a post-apocalyptic movie.
Since you're clearly failing to grasp the big picture here, let me point out the fact that 7 years isn't shit. Mind telling me what the 30-year outlook looks like with that kind of demand? Mind telling me what the alternatives are when fossil fuels are depleted? The latter is the reminder of the apocalypse we're trying to avoid here, so demand is going to increase considerably for alternatives, and the minerals they require. We're quite good at underestimating too, and a 40% increase in nickel supply in less than a decade is considerable.
Capitalistic Greed that has turned current mineral-dependent electronics into disposable objects with 18 month lifespans. At the rate of capitalistic Greed, the future is a disposable EV car replaced every 3 years simply because the manufacturer wants to sustain 60% profit margins. You'll need to take that into consideration too, especially as recycling programs remain optional at best.
Maybe because they're not idiots and want to control their image / marketing.
What's to control when you're selling product to rabid sheep who flock to stores by the millions, demanding to get fleeced by a $1000 toy?
As if a mere shitty review is gonna change their fucking mind...
I guess they won't make that mistake again.
You really overestimate their intelligence. These are likely the same people who use Facebook and Windows despite repeated instances of blatant malicious behavior. There is a large portion of users that will not quit using abusive systems no matter the cost.
Hate to point out the obvious, but cost is the main reason cheap-ass users put up with the abuse, particularly with social media.
Facebook could start stealing identities and destroying credit scores tomorrow, and users would still brag that it's free.
I was always a proponent of Daylight Saving Time. Moving all the clocks ahead or back an hour was always a lot of fun. This, though, ruins it for me. I think we should ban DST altogether.
Well, you gotta admit it would be rather funny if a grammar war was what ultimately ended it...
I'm going to continue to say Daylight Savings Time, because that is how nearly everyone says it...
Translation: I'm going to continue to say Daylight Savings Time, because Fuck You, that's why. Who the hell needs logic driven by grammar rules anyway.
In 50 years, hopefully we will have done away with daylight savings time completely...
50 years? Pffft. My clocks are all set to Zulu time, because Fuck You, that's why.
So why couldn't NASA do this?
Ever try surfing the intertubes from a 30-year old computer?
Technology evolved. NASA technology did not.
Bill Gates is evil because Windows was successful? He is that top 0.001%. Why is his wealth evil and how is he harming poor people when people willingly bought a product he offered?
When insecurity of the worlds most popular OS is directly responsible for the loss of global information, it becomes difficult to define "success".
That said, Bill Gates is doing good things with his wealth. He doesn't appear to be sustaining a goal of becoming the next trillionaire, indifferent of the masses. The Bill and Melinda Gates foundation tends to be evidence of that.
Not all billionaires are part of the problem. Society still champions building wealth to an obscene level, which is impacting the world, and not in a good way. The financial meltdown of 2008 is a perfect example of Greed gone bad, and unfortunately ruthless corruption shows we haven't done a damn thing to prevent the Banking Industrial Complex from repeating history, to the detriment of the world.
We've won a battle, but we're still waging war for profits sake.
Was WW1 or WW2 for profit? The Korean War?
How many top defense contractors thriving today can trace their grassroots funding from these wars?
I'd say damn near all of them.
How many conflicts today continue to be weakly justified by the business that is the Military Industrial Complex?
I'd say damn near all of them.
Are you sure?
https://ourworldindata.org/sli...
If the world is truly in decline, then how do we explain the unending rise of the Military Industrial Complex?
How do we explain the Incarcerated States of America?
How do we explain the continued militarization of our civilian police forces?
My original statement stands, because ruthless Greed created this shit. Warmongering is a proven for-profit business, which is why ruthless Greed continues to sustain it. The sick part about that is putting a price tag on human lives to define profit.
Also, it's a bit difficult to believe the statistics you've presented when the constant metric (global population) has been on the rise since the dawn of time, thus perpetually watering down the results.
, and there's no evidence anyone else found the bugs and exploited them.
So are we arguing the absence of evidence is evidence of absence?
For now, yes.
We have enough demand for perpetuating bullshit (a.k.a. fake news) in other arenas. No need to add fuel to that fire.
What you call "greed" is basic survival mechanisms. I want to eat and reproduce. I want as many of my children to eat and reproduce.
You are welcome to suicide yourself and your offspring for this abstract retarded concept you've invented. In fact, I'm going to actively encourage you. You're a great person!
Meanwhile, enjoy watching my 5 kids playing at the park when you're 70 and childless. I won.
A nominal amount of Greed in order to survive is one thing. I'm not talking about that. When I speak of crippling Greed, I'm talking about the obscene levels we've reached today. I'm talking about the chasm between the 0.001% and the rest of the fucking planet that will ultimately suffer due to not treating the disease that creates ruthless Greed.
A billionaire doesn't maintain a desire to become a trillionaire because of "survival mechanisms", so let's just drop that bullshit argument. There is nothing being served by perpetuating ruthless Greed, as it serves no one but those addicted to it. If the future of mankind relied upon culling the human population by 50%, Greed wouldn't give it a second thought to save it's own ass. The 2008 financial collapse was just a hint of what ruthless Greed is capable of, and we haven't done a fucking thing to prevent a repeat of that.
Solve for Greed. Otherwise, mankind will be consumed by it.
"Now, consider modern pop stars: who can only sing (not play any instruments), are singing songs written by someone else, and are having their vocals put through filters and auto-tune in production, and live out a personality in public groomed by their marketing agency." Like say, Bing Crosby and Doris Day?
No, not like Bing Crosby or Doris Day. Stars of yesteryear actually had a recognized talent. A natural ability to sing anyone's songs.
We have mostly entertainers today, who are more valued for their porn star looks and ability to dance around on a stage. Many rely on lip-syncing and Autotune because they cannot actually sing. Society accepts this because they now value entertainment more than natural talent.
The rise of a virtual singer only clarifies just how far we've fallen. Regardless if Hatsune's vocals are based on a "real" person, it's still a manufactured product at best. I don't even call an Autotuned human voice authentic, because it's not.
Sure but that's not just humans, that's just the very nature of existence. The whole universe and certainly life itself is built around conflicting forces to some degree or another.
It's a hell of a lot easier to understand and accept the why of organic chaos than it is to understand or justify manufactured chaos.
It's been long proven that warmongering is run as a for-profit business. The problem with that morally bankrupt justification is profit is measured by putting a price tag on something that should be priceless; human life.
You're basically arguing that reality is harsh, you're right. Our biggest achievement will be resisting the very nature of existence if we manage it.
Our biggest achievement will be solving for the disease of crippling Greed before it becomes the very cause of our own demise. The chasm continues to widen as wealthy elitists distance themselves from the rest of the human race, so let's not pretend those in control give a shit about the other 99.999% of the population.
The Future of War should be an absence of it. Greed will never allow that to happen.
We pretend replacing humans with bots on a 21st century battlefield is "progress". It's not. We've won a battle, but we're still waging war for profits sake.
So, it's 2017.
Previously valued at $2 million, but were apparently priceless artifacts related to a company known for making some of the best printers in the world.
Did anybody bother to fucking scan them?
If not, I assume it was a flood of irony that helped put out flames of raging stupidity.
If anything at all, this should cause a criminal investigation against those responsible, as gross negligence was clearly involved.
But in the meantime, let's ignore the Greed within the Banking Industrial Complex that will all but guarantee another financial meltdown.
Too Big To Fail? More like Too Big to be Negligent. Even if the activity were criminal, there won't be a fucking thing done about it.