> With a bit more looking, it turns out at least half the pages you linked to have solutions. I stopped reading after that. > If you're claiming it's never been fixed yet there's step-by-step solutions in all of the "evidence" you linked to, > you either cannot read (unlikely, you can write) or you are trolling.
And you're astroturfing. Here are some comments from your "satisfied customers" on those very same pages:
1. "oh BOY thats a 115,666 VIEWS!, seems to me nvdia "Fixed" thumbsdown.gif the problem! no.gif 2. "If I were you, I'd go with an ATI, Nvidia is full of crap. 3. "Hello infinite loopers! This weekend I was also afflicted by the curse of the nv4_disp infinite loop, and it was initially reassuring to find so many tips on potential workarounds on this board. But, after trying various recommendations e.g. the nv4loopfix.zip patch, upgrading drivers, and playing with BIOS settings there was no improvement - the PC kept blue screening after only 1 minute uptime. 4. "Got the problem with 6600gt(pcie), (Flickker, crash and so on) Ps. Return the card if ya can. Pps. Freaking nvidia, make better cards/drivers! 5." Hey guys you seem to have the same BSoD as me. But the thing is I have a GeForce 8800GTS - and I installed the latest Nvidia Drivers (97.92_Forceware Winxp_eng) but the probleem keeps persisting. 6. "Hey Ive been having this problem for quite a while,, Im 100% stable in games I can play Oblivion for 10 hours straight withought a problem,, but as soon as I start surfing the web; usually when im using the scrool wheel I get an infinite Loop BSOD, every time? I recently installed the new 93.71 drivers and they worked great for like 2 weeks no more blue screens, but tonight they started up again.. ????? 7. "My problem is with the GE Force FX 5200 too. I had the same problem...Blue Screen Of Death! 8. "just had the problem again this a.m. while using google earth. machine froze, gave me the bad nv_4 message. 9. "I've got two issues. Dell Dim 8300 is about 2 years old but the symptoms are less than 5 days old. 1 - Video screen begins to freeze when my kid is playing Madden 07 2 - nv4_disp error appears before XP finished booting. 10. "Danza, welcome to the club of WinXP + Det 4 = nv4_disp loopout. 11. "My problem, is that the driver seems to go into some sort of loop when initializing either an OpenGL or Direct3D game. I get the BSOD with nv4_disp.dll as the named culprit. 12. "Well I have sent off emails to VIA, Microsoft, and Nvidia, but of course no comment from anybody. I wish some big website would grab this thread and run with it.....force the manufacturers to take a look at the problem and at the very least aknowledge a problem does indeed exist."
Note 12: I've tried contacting them too. nVidia don't want to know about this bug.
Let's see: nVidia don't release their driver source, don't fix their driver's bugs, the infinite loop bug is widely reported, yet, somehow, reporting this is flamebait?
As Slashdot tells you: "use your mod points wisely"
Well, you'd think that, wouldn't you? So why then are there so many web pages talking about it?
>> Especially when the first post you linked to says > so i got the 91.28 drivers and they finally worked, now i can play games like i did before
I've upgraded the drivers so many times and tried all those tweaks. I still get it. Today was a bad day. Sometimes it'll go for week without crashes. Imagine my delight at lost work, yesterday a corrupted word file.
> If you're claiming it's never been fixed yet there's step-by-step solutions in all of > the "evidence" you linked to, you either cannot read (unlikely, you can write) or you are trolling.
Why would I make something like that up? Hell man: The Windows BSOD Error message says "an infinite loop has been detected in the nv4_disp.dll driver and is being shut down. This is probably due to a device driver programming error". I spend too much time rebooting and *you* call me a troll? Can I call you an nVidia astroturfer? (It's cheaper than providing tech support.)
After I hit the [send] key my trusty nVidia just did its BSOD infinite loop bug. Fourth time today. Getting a new ATI card tomorrow. Stay away from nVidia and don't buy their dulcet cooing: They're bad news.
> Moreover, nVidia's Linux team does always respond to received bug reports.
They are accepting bug reports of their Vista drivers too, *but* you too may wake up one day and find support is dropped. Guess they'll do this once the market has critical mass. After that, you're on your own. Well, they actually tell you to talk to your board maker (despite the fact nVidia writes the drivers, not your board maker.)
The Visual Studio built-in memory tracing tools are out of the stone age. Why should every programmer on Earth have to write their own memory traces? Surely someone at Microsoft can do it "properly"?
One thing that seriously blows about nVidia is their (closed-source) drivers are buggy. e.g. the nv4_disp infinite loop bug. This is year sold, affects many generations of cards, and nVidia *still* haven't fixed it. Fixed it? You can't even talk to them about it. They don't answer any tech support questions: Their forums are user-to-user. If this driver was open source, someone would have fixed it by now. It'd be quicker than the black-box game people have played to fix it.
Too bad WOTC (you may know them as Hasbro) don't choose to focus on their core competency. You know: "making games", instead of these lame ass lawyer tricks.
"No Sir, It's a $25 fine for reversing over a patent troll in a supermarket car park. Just mail it in. "
> Russian ICBM aimed at the United States... come in over the pole. > That's why we put all of our early warning systems in the Canadian wilderness back in the day.
Bad news. Adjutant to their proposed "Cellular Phone Signals Passing Through Our Airspace Tax", The First Nations are also imposing a "Russian ICBM in transit Tax". Putin vs Bush vs First Nations. Let's put the 'World' back in 'World Wrestling Federation'.
It's a stupid story, for sure, but RTA: Chief Ovide Mercredi of the Grand Rapids First Nation is the one pitching it. You're right: It is racist flamebait, but it's _his_ racist flamebait. Mod him down.
But yeah.. non-native folks say dumb stuff every day and 99.9999% of it is never reported. I guess when the Media got this, they thought "woo hoo!" So it's a media beatup, and not a media beatup at the same time. If they lawyers of a cashed-up multinational got the idea, the reaction would be much more subdued. There are taxes on far more stupid concepts.
When I read this article, passing through my mind, was an image of untamed First Nation lands. Bison roaming. Pre-casinos. Pre-Hard Rock Cafe. That sort of thing. To whom should I make out the check?
Conversely, can we all bill them for wasting our neural energy contemplating the stupidity of their claim. That has to be worth something too.
Yeah. Anime has had some spectacular disasters: Same thing happened to Bleach when they first stretched and then went to filler episodes. But this has been when they broke the rule. If they stuck with the rule, and put the series into hiatus until enough material had built up to continue, who knows? Series like Fruba and Berserk where they did cease production before the material ran out ended on a high, and their franchises remain open.
Anyway, point remains: Any producer using a well-developed existing story has a better chance of success than one that makes it up while they go.
> The London High Court ruled that Hong Kong-based CD-Wow
This prompts the question, what we're they high on when they made the ruling? Maybe they'll ban multi-region DVD players for an encore. Those silly wigs must be overheating their brains.
One said his wife was expecting, and the second was busy porting his game from the DirectX10 (codename 'Titanic') to OpenGL. The last said he was busy trying to get his Vista drivers working. He said all the UAC messages are slowing him down.
Hear hear! I've always wondered why scripts, the cheapest yet most important part of the film making process, seem to be treated as an afterthought. 'Ok, we've got the investors, the actors, a director and cast. Now, from these scrawlings on the back of a napkin, can someone write a script. We start filming on the 15th.'
It's the old quality thing: The sooner you fix a defect, the less the cost (of fixing it). Even on MPPAfia movies, the script writers are well paid (heard the figure a few years ago: few hundred K or so???), but it's still a very small percentage of a movie's overall budget. They also have a nasty habit of writing the movie as they go. Occasionally, they get away with it (LOTR was being rewritten during the shoot: the troll Viggo Mortensen fights at the Black Gate was filmed as Sauron!) But more often than not, the filmakers have no idea what they're getting until they see it on the screen. Maybe the editor can save it. Maybe they can't.
Contrast that to Japanese Anime, the majority of which are based on Manga that has been running for several years. By the time they start production, they've already got a lot of material to work from. Stories which seemed like a good idea but didn't pan out in practice are dropped before they get that far. Even accomplished authors can't get a hit every time.
Well, in the West there is a wealth of Science Fiction and Fantasy literature to draw on. Maybe the trick is for amateur film makers, instead of fooling themselves they can be great writers *and* great filmmakers (Hi George!;-), collaborate. Sure, many authors will prefer to option their rights to the MPAAfia for movies (that will never see the light of day). But there will be some out there who take a chance. Everyone is a winner. Well, everyone that counts!:-)
BTW Indy films *can* be much better than Hollywood, despite much, much smaller budgets. See 'Touching the Void'. That was originally optioned to Hollywood and I heard Tom Cruise was going to be cast in it. The rights reverted, and it ended up being made by a (professional) indy team instead. Check the IMDB reviews: many suspect Hollywood couldn't have come close to the Indy effort. "Well Boys, first we have to introduce a love interest, and mountain-climbing mountain-schmining, we need some *real* danger. What if they're being chased by drug smugglers whose plane has crashed in the Andes? Oh and there's a nuclear bomb. We'll cast Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise."
I'll bet the US has plans in place to sever China's International Communications networks the moment the first People's Liberation Army Marine is seen landing on the beaches of Taiwan. I'd be seriously worried if they didn't! We all saw what one ruptured undersea phone cable did last year, so imagine what a coordinated cyberattack from China could do.
George Lucas is one guy who dreamed up and made a few good SciFi movies 30 years ago.
These days, we've all got ridiculously high-powered PCs, and many people have one or move of 3DSMAX/BLENDER(free)/VUE/POSER/DAZ-STUDIO(free)/CI NEMA4D/LIGHTWAVE/RHINO/MILKSHAPE. There's a lot of old cinematography books scattered all over the Internet too. When they're done, BitTorrent is a damned fast distribution medium.
These days, anyone can make a science fiction movie. The concept has already been proven by Star Warz Fan Boys who have made their own Star Wars rip offs, on the cheap but with great SFX and decent production quality. Sadly the Fan Boys used Lucas' old material instead of getting an original idea in their head. Lucas' prequels have taught us how *not* to make a movie. Now lets put that to practice.
Some come on people, get together! We don't need to wait for Lucas to dream up next years line of would-be Christmas presents and cheesy merchandising. Do your own damned movies! Instead of another Star Wars rehash, how about something new? Indy bands can now put out music without signing away to the RIAA cartel. We can do the same.
"Lucas has written good stuff in his life; look at THX-1138."
Agreed, but tragically the line of THX-1138 Robert Duvall Action Figures weren't big sellers. Ewoks, Pod Racer games and Pizza Hut tie-ins are so much more marketable. Well, that was the theory anyway.
Interesting someone(s) moderated this as flamebait: This is straight from Dawkin's the book. The first few paragraphs summaries how children stick steadfast to their parents religion, no matter what. Wonder how many of those flamebait moderators even read that far? It's not enough for them to disagree. They'd rather moderate it out of existence. This is why religious debate with "the faithful" is pointless, though points to Dawkins for having the guts to try. Points to him too for giving atheists permission to challenge zealotry.
> CAT scan introduces you to a significantly powerful magnet, and there is no physiological effects.
The SciAm article quoted a physicist who (accidentally) stuck his head in a very strong magnetic field for an instant. His vision was filled with small popping lights, his saliva went weird and he felt nausea. Article also concludes astronauts on their way to Mars may arrive with their DNA shredded: Long distance human space travel may be impossible. [Shielding Space Travelers; March 2006; Scientific American Magazine; by Eugene N. Parker; 8 Page(s)]
Here's the workshop where they discussed shielding tech. Even if they never solve the problem at hand, they've made vast progresses in the science of cool logo design: http://aoss.engin.umich.edu/Radiation/
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> With a bit more looking, it turns out at least half the pages you linked to have solutions. I stopped reading after that.
.. ?????
> If you're claiming it's never been fixed yet there's step-by-step solutions in all of the "evidence" you linked to,
> you either cannot read (unlikely, you can write) or you are trolling.
And you're astroturfing. Here are some comments from your "satisfied customers" on those very same pages:
1. "oh BOY thats a 115,666 VIEWS!, seems to me nvdia "Fixed" thumbsdown.gif the problem! no.gif
2. "If I were you, I'd go with an ATI, Nvidia is full of crap.
3. "Hello infinite loopers! This weekend I was also afflicted by the curse of the nv4_disp infinite loop, and it was initially reassuring to find so many tips on potential workarounds on this board. But, after trying various recommendations e.g. the nv4loopfix.zip patch, upgrading drivers, and playing with BIOS settings there was no improvement - the PC kept blue screening after only 1 minute uptime.
4. "Got the problem with 6600gt(pcie), (Flickker, crash and so on) Ps. Return the card if ya can. Pps. Freaking nvidia, make better cards/drivers!
5." Hey guys you seem to have the same BSoD as me. But the thing is I have a GeForce 8800GTS - and I installed the latest Nvidia Drivers (97.92_Forceware Winxp_eng) but the probleem keeps persisting.
6. "Hey Ive been having this problem for quite a while,, Im 100% stable in games I can play Oblivion for 10 hours straight withought a problem,, but as soon as I start surfing the web; usually when im using the scrool wheel I get an infinite Loop BSOD, every time? I recently installed the new 93.71 drivers and they worked great for like 2 weeks no more blue screens, but tonight they started up again
7. "My problem is with the GE Force FX 5200 too. I had the same problem...Blue Screen Of Death!
8. "just had the problem again this a.m. while using google earth. machine froze, gave me the bad nv_4 message.
9. "I've got two issues. Dell Dim 8300 is about 2 years old but the symptoms are less than 5 days old. 1 - Video screen begins to freeze when my kid is playing Madden 07 2 - nv4_disp error appears before XP finished booting.
10. "Danza, welcome to the club of WinXP + Det 4 = nv4_disp loopout.
11. "My problem, is that the driver seems to go into some sort of loop when initializing either an OpenGL or Direct3D game. I get the BSOD with nv4_disp.dll as the named culprit.
12. "Well I have sent off emails to VIA, Microsoft, and Nvidia, but of course no comment from anybody. I wish some big website would grab this thread and run with it.....force the manufacturers to take a look at the problem and at the very least aknowledge a problem does indeed exist."
Note 12: I've tried contacting them too. nVidia don't want to know about this bug.
Let's see: nVidia don't release their driver source, don't fix their driver's bugs, the infinite loop bug is widely reported, yet, somehow, reporting this is flamebait?
As Slashdot tells you: "use your mod points wisely"
> I'm sure they would fix it
Well, you'd think that, wouldn't you? So why then are there so many web pages talking about it?
>> Especially when the first post you linked to says
> so i got the 91.28 drivers and they finally worked, now i can play games like i did before
I've upgraded the drivers so many times and tried all those tweaks. I still get it. Today was a bad day. Sometimes it'll go for week without crashes. Imagine my delight at lost work, yesterday a corrupted word file.
> If you're claiming it's never been fixed yet there's step-by-step solutions in all of
> the "evidence" you linked to, you either cannot read (unlikely, you can write) or you are trolling.
Why would I make something like that up? Hell man: The Windows BSOD Error message says "an infinite loop has been detected in the nv4_disp.dll driver and is being shut down. This is probably due to a device driver programming error". I spend too much time rebooting and *you* call me a troll? Can I call you an nVidia astroturfer? (It's cheaper than providing tech support.)
After I hit the [send] key my trusty nVidia just did its BSOD infinite loop bug. Fourth time today. Getting a new ATI card tomorrow. Stay away from nVidia and don't buy their dulcet cooing: They're bad news.
> Moreover, nVidia's Linux team does always respond to received bug reports.
They are accepting bug reports of their Vista drivers too, *but* you too may wake up one day and find support is dropped. Guess they'll do this once the market has critical mass. After that, you're on your own. Well, they actually tell you to talk to your board maker (despite the fact nVidia writes the drivers, not your board maker.)
> iPhone To Allow 3rd-Party Development
I'm waiting for the " but "
mod parent useful. Thanks for the link.
The Visual Studio built-in memory tracing tools are out of the stone age. Why should every programmer on Earth have to write their own memory traces? Surely someone at Microsoft can do it "properly"?
One thing that seriously blows about nVidia is their (closed-source) drivers are buggy. e.g. the nv4_disp infinite loop bug. This is year sold, affects many generations of cards, and nVidia *still* haven't fixed it. Fixed it? You can't even talk to them about it. They don't answer any tech support questions: Their forums are user-to-user. If this driver was open source, someone would have fixed it by now. It'd be quicker than the black-box game people have played to fix it.
& st=80v 4disp-problem/v iewh tmly -pc-need-advice-111501/
Read it and weep:
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=4432
http://www.christopherjason.com/articles/nvidia-n
http://fileforum.betanews.com/review/950852325/1/
http://forums.2cpu.com/archive/index.php/t-10410.
http://www.tech-forums.net/pc/f77/3d-games-kill-m
I'll share my fix for the nVidia nv4_disp infinite loop bug.
1. Shut down windows.
2. Power off PC.
3. Remove nVidia card.
4. Throw in trash.
5. Install ATI card.
> Misuse of Scientific Data By the White House
That would imply there is someone there than can read.
Too bad WOTC (you may know them as Hasbro) don't choose to focus on their core competency. You know: "making games", instead of these lame ass lawyer tricks.
"No Sir, It's a $25 fine for reversing over a patent troll in a supermarket car park. Just mail it in. "
> Russian ICBM aimed at the United States ... come in over the pole.
> That's why we put all of our early warning systems in the Canadian wilderness back in the day.
Bad news. Adjutant to their proposed "Cellular Phone Signals Passing Through Our Airspace Tax", The First Nations are also imposing a "Russian ICBM in transit Tax". Putin vs Bush vs First Nations. Let's put the 'World' back in 'World Wrestling Federation'.
Imagine Steve Balmer walking around a Baghdad marketplace. I'd like to see that!
I'm shocked. BattleStar Galactica had writers?
It's a stupid story, for sure, but RTA: Chief Ovide Mercredi of the Grand Rapids First Nation is the one pitching it. You're right: It is racist flamebait, but it's _his_ racist flamebait. Mod him down.
But yeah.. non-native folks say dumb stuff every day and 99.9999% of it is never reported. I guess when the Media got this, they thought "woo hoo!" So it's a media beatup, and not a media beatup at the same time. If they lawyers of a cashed-up multinational got the idea, the reaction would be much more subdued. There are taxes on far more stupid concepts.
When I read this article, passing through my mind, was an image of untamed First Nation lands. Bison roaming. Pre-casinos. Pre-Hard Rock Cafe. That sort of thing. To whom should I make out the check?
Conversely, can we all bill them for wasting our neural energy contemplating the stupidity of their claim. That has to be worth something too.
Yeah. Anime has had some spectacular disasters: Same thing happened to Bleach when they first stretched and then went to filler episodes. But this has been when they broke the rule. If they stuck with the rule, and put the series into hiatus until enough material had built up to continue, who knows? Series like Fruba and Berserk where they did cease production before the material ran out ended on a high, and their franchises remain open.
Anyway, point remains: Any producer using a well-developed existing story has a better chance of success than one that makes it up while they go.
Between Yahoo Executives http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/11 0443243/article.pl and lawyers, darn it, I'm on the side of the lawyers. Tear them a new one, my well-healed Mercedes-driving friends. Class Action. You know the drill. Do it for the Gipper, and Wang Xiaoning http://www.hrichina.org/public/contents/press?revi sion_id=27803&item_id=27801
> The London High Court ruled that Hong Kong-based CD-Wow
This prompts the question, what we're they high on when they made the ruling? Maybe they'll ban multi-region DVD players for an encore. Those silly wigs must be overheating their brains.
One said his wife was expecting, and the second was busy porting his game from the DirectX10 (codename 'Titanic') to OpenGL. The last said he was busy trying to get his Vista drivers working. He said all the UAC messages are slowing him down.
Go Vista! Go straight into a hillside!
Hear hear! I've always wondered why scripts, the cheapest yet most important part of the film making process, seem to be treated as an afterthought. 'Ok, we've got the investors, the actors, a director and cast. Now, from these scrawlings on the back of a napkin, can someone write a script. We start filming on the 15th.'
;-), collaborate. Sure, many authors will prefer to option their rights to the MPAAfia for movies (that will never see the light of day). But there will be some out there who take a chance. Everyone is a winner. Well, everyone that counts! :-)
It's the old quality thing: The sooner you fix a defect, the less the cost (of fixing it). Even on MPPAfia movies, the script writers are well paid (heard the figure a few years ago: few hundred K or so???), but it's still a very small percentage of a movie's overall budget. They also have a nasty habit of writing the movie as they go. Occasionally, they get away with it (LOTR was being rewritten during the shoot: the troll Viggo Mortensen fights at the Black Gate was filmed as Sauron!) But more often than not, the filmakers have no idea what they're getting until they see it on the screen. Maybe the editor can save it. Maybe they can't.
Contrast that to Japanese Anime, the majority of which are based on Manga that has been running for several years. By the time they start production, they've already got a lot of material to work from. Stories which seemed like a good idea but didn't pan out in practice are dropped before they get that far. Even accomplished authors can't get a hit every time.
Well, in the West there is a wealth of Science Fiction and Fantasy literature to draw on. Maybe the trick is for amateur film makers, instead of fooling themselves they can be great writers *and* great filmmakers (Hi George!
BTW Indy films *can* be much better than Hollywood, despite much, much smaller budgets. See 'Touching the Void'. That was originally optioned to Hollywood and I heard Tom Cruise was going to be cast in it. The rights reverted, and it ended up being made by a (professional) indy team instead. Check the IMDB reviews: many suspect Hollywood couldn't have come close to the Indy effort. "Well Boys, first we have to introduce a love interest, and mountain-climbing mountain-schmining, we need some *real* danger. What if they're being chased by drug smugglers whose plane has crashed in the Andes? Oh and there's a nuclear bomb. We'll cast Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise."
I'll bet the US has plans in place to sever China's International Communications networks the moment the first People's Liberation Army Marine is seen landing on the beaches of Taiwan. I'd be seriously worried if they didn't! We all saw what one ruptured undersea phone cable did last year, so imagine what a coordinated cyberattack from China could do.
George Lucas is one guy who dreamed up and made a few good SciFi movies 30 years ago.
I NEMA4D/LIGHTWAVE/RHINO/MILKSHAPE. There's a lot of old cinematography books scattered all over the Internet too. When they're done, BitTorrent is a damned fast distribution medium.
These days, we've all got ridiculously high-powered PCs, and many people have one or move of 3DSMAX/BLENDER(free)/VUE/POSER/DAZ-STUDIO(free)/C
These days, anyone can make a science fiction movie. The concept has already been proven by Star Warz Fan Boys who have made their own Star Wars rip offs, on the cheap but with great SFX and decent production quality. Sadly the Fan Boys used Lucas' old material instead of getting an original idea in their head. Lucas' prequels have taught us how *not* to make a movie. Now lets put that to practice.
Some come on people, get together! We don't need to wait for Lucas to dream up next years line of would-be Christmas presents and cheesy merchandising. Do your own damned movies! Instead of another Star Wars rehash, how about something new? Indy bands can now put out music without signing away to the RIAA cartel. We can do the same.
"Lucas has written good stuff in his life; look at THX-1138."
Agreed, but tragically the line of THX-1138 Robert Duvall Action Figures weren't big sellers. Ewoks, Pod Racer games and Pizza Hut tie-ins are so much more marketable. Well, that was the theory anyway.
Interesting someone(s) moderated this as flamebait: This is straight from Dawkin's the book. The first few paragraphs summaries how children stick steadfast to their parents religion, no matter what. Wonder how many of those flamebait moderators even read that far? It's not enough for them to disagree. They'd rather moderate it out of existence. This is why religious debate with "the faithful" is pointless, though points to Dawkins for having the guts to try. Points to him too for giving atheists permission to challenge zealotry.
/ 06/george_bush_god_told_me_to_end_the_tyranny_in_i raq.html
Otherwise stuff like things happens: "George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'" http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/archives/2005/10
> CAT scan introduces you to a significantly powerful magnet, and there is no physiological effects.
The SciAm article quoted a physicist who (accidentally) stuck his head in a very strong magnetic field for an instant. His vision was filled with small popping lights, his saliva went weird and he felt nausea. Article also concludes astronauts on their way to Mars may arrive with their DNA shredded: Long distance human space travel may be impossible. [Shielding Space Travelers; March 2006; Scientific American Magazine; by Eugene N. Parker; 8 Page(s)]
Here's the workshop where they discussed shielding tech. Even if they never solve the problem at hand, they've made vast progresses in the science of cool logo design: http://aoss.engin.umich.edu/Radiation/