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China Crafts Cyberweapons
MitmWatcher writes to mention that a recent report by the Department of Defense revealed that China is continuing to build up their cyberwarfare units and develop viruses. "'The PLA has established information warfare units to develop viruses to attack enemy computer systems and networks,' the annual DOD report on China's military warned. At the same, Chinese armed forces are developing ways to protect its own systems from an enemy attack, it said, echoing similar warnings made in previous years."
Only sensible. News because they happen to be communist in name. Everyone else is doing the same things. This is like the revolutionary developments in bio-weapons by the major countries last century. China may actually have a better vision of the future in its defence policy than other nations.
When Armitage will crash there!!!
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After all, 100% guaranteed that everybody else are.
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"...ICE patterns formed and reformed on the screen as he probed for gaps, skirted the most obvious traps, and mapped the route he'd take through Sense/Net's ICE. It was good ICE. Wonderful ICE... ...His program had reached the fifth gate. He watched as his icebreaker strobed and shifted in front of him, only faintly aware of his hands playing across the deck, making minor adjustments. Translucent planes of color shuffled like a trick deck. Take a card, he thought, any card.
:)
The gate blurred past. He laughed. The Sense/Net ice had accepted his entry as a routine transfer from the consortium's Los Angeles complex. He was inside. Behind him, viral subprograms peeled off, meshing with the gate's code fabric, ready to deflect the real Los Angeles data when it arrived."
From Neuromancer, by William Gibson, following protagonist Henry Dorsett Case as he uses a Chinese military-made icebreaker to hack a virtual fortress...
If only computer security were really so dramatic
Now we can buy millions of pirated copies of these weapons at almost nothing.
The US will ignore this for the most part, keep trading with them, and allow corporations to send its citizens jobs to the nation that is attacking it. It makes me sick.
Where can I place an order for a Kuang Grade Mark Eleven?
If they have some, we need them too
not so much war as it is to prevent the US or other capitalist/democratic countries from undermining their regime. china is a known source of some cyber attacks- mainly from less organized hackers but now that it will be more organized- more bang for the buck. they probably wont try to destroy our systems completely as that would likely have a ripple effect on their economy as well- they sell a lot of stuff to us and where they to screw that up it would hurt them quite dearly. there is one thing that we have that they dont and that is oddly enough sheer number- if i remember correctly we out number them in computing power so if we ever needed to we could do a real DOS attack from hell on them.
Sigs are too short to say anything truly profound so read the above post instead.
They're taking their queues from from the RIAA and Sony. I hope nobody's surprised by this.
What?
Do you really think the US is not doing the exactly same thing?
1. Convince Chinese government that spam is a plot by Falun Gong.
2. Half a million Peoples Liberation Army Cyberwar Programmers attack!
3. ???
4. Profit?
None of them can see the clouds; The polished wings don't care.
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123030505
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Best way of keeping peace, is by preparing for war, incidentally, best way of preparing for war, is excactly the same.
If whatever country you live in, is not doing this, then shame on them.
Blah blah sig blah blah blah irony blah blah
...this should get interesting.
My post contained nothing but documented facts. I guess that must have offended the neo con free-trade-with-our-enemies crowd that's selling out our country.
Maybe your job will get outsourced to your country's enemies next?
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I have an image of thousands of Chineese computer specialists, working tirelessly in huge warehouses of cubicles. I can hear them mumbling now... "Collect metal, collect wood, collect magic talisman of sharpness, rrrun to forge, use skill +5 "Weapon Craft" with added +2 ring-of-the-crafter proficiency." Bingo! a new Shadow Axe of Sharpness, sold for 350 RMB on Ebay. Rinse and repeat.
P.P.S. I'm doing Science and I'm still alive.
As if the US haven't been doing exactly the same, since at least as far back as the eighties. And probably much longer, after all the internet started out as an ARPA project.
Or am I the only one who's always been paranoid enough to find it a bit suspicious that the big internet worm was created by "the son of" the NSA's chief computer security scientist?
I've always believed that if it really was Morris who wrote it in the first place, dear son must have been browsing through some stuff dad brought home from work, or else he wouldn't have found multiple vulnerabilities in multiple software products (see the wiki article) in a timespan short enough to use them in a single worm.
And of course it isn't suspicious that the connection to the NSA was removed from the wiki page about the worm itself (it is still mentioned on the page about its author, however).
...my firewall blocks China completely. If anyone wants to enter, they first need to ask politely. Same could count for other countries by the way.
This combined with severe passive OS fingerprinting delivers a good way to solve most issues (except DOS attacks ofcourse).
Not perfect, but in the light of current state of internet affairs a most needed solution.
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I'll take one Kuang Grade Mk. XI to go please.
Ice Cream has no bones.
Flash forward ten years ... a group of American military commanders are gathered around a conference table deep inside the pentagon to discuss the most recent Chinese cyber attacks on US infrastructure. Voices are raised, tensions are running high, and nobody can seem to reach agreement on the best way forward. But everyone knows that time is running short and that a response is needed.
Suddenly, the huge video conference screen on the wall springs to life. A stern Chinese communist party official appears in a smart beige chairman-Mao suit. The shouting and arguments stop and an eerie silence descends. All eyes turn toward the Chinese official.
He speaks.
"How are you today gentlemen? All your base are belong to us."
You mean the Department of War.
I hope this helps the criminal investigation.
PatRIOTically,
Kilgore Trout
Honestly, I am so frustrated with this "its someone else's responsibility to make it work" and other finger pointing paradigms. Its MY stuff, I bought it with legal tender, and if I don't know how to maintain it, do I really have that much business having it?
If my dog made a mess, its obvious to me just what he did and where he did it. If termites made a mess, I can find and put back what they messed up. I feel exactly the same with my computing apparatus, and I highly resent efforts by others ( via DMCA like legal maneuvering ) to keep me ignorant of how my stuff works. It frustrates me to no end to have others make knowledge illegal, enforceable by police at gunpoint, only for the financial gain of blocking off alternative remedies I have for maintenance or customization needs.
Having ANY software vendor locking me in to their "support" is like having the contractor who built my house locking me in for anything I want to do to maintain or modify my house.
Not to say I would want to deprive him of his art of driving nails, but if he was too hard to get along with, or overprices himself, I strongly reserve what I feel is my right to pick up the hammer and saw and do it personally, if need be.
Ignorance is going to be the end of us (US).
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Richard Clarke, top counter-terrorism adviser to presidents of both parties interview.
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I am pretty sure the following "news" could be read somewhen in China
"'The US has established information warfare units to develop viruses to attack enemy computer systems and networks,' the annual PLA Defense departement report on USA's military warned. At the same, US armed forces are developing ways to protect its own systems from an enemy attack, it said, echoing similar warnings made in previous years."
This leave me wondering with such a NON-news, what sort of propaganda is theUS trying to kick up. Are there commercial negociation starting soon with China ? Are they trying to put some pressure on China for a better rate ?
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It is notable here that China is one of the state entities that enjoys access to the source code for Window under Microsoft's SharedSource program. If you're in IT for a government agency in the US, it's your duty to ask 'what does China know about my critical infrastructure that I don't know?'
Unfortunately for the people who rely on you, the answer is undiscoverable.
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or off topic. When a country develops any sort of new military technology that creates increased competition with American military technology there is a political reappraisal. The dramatic example is nuclear technology, but many others exist. The parent poster is pointing out that these revelations of new military technology will not be handled with regard to China as they would with regard to many other nations.
His comment is not particularly insightful, but his assertions are defendable:
Slashdot has reported on attacks apparently coming from within China (titan rain), and attempts by China to disable U.S. spy sats (ground based laser something or other).
The U.S. government continues to grant China 'Favored Trade Nation' status and facilitate the offshoring of work... esecially in manufacturing despite continued resistance from China to enforce safety/humanitarian regulations in those industries (something we require from our other top trading partners, though not from the poorer ones).
The U.S. government continually ignores international organizations such as Amnesty International who attempt to open dialogue about human rights records.
So now China is creating systems designed to realign the BOP on the net. How will the U.S. react? If it's track record holds true, then the U.S. will not react... which is really puzzling. True, if we have it, then others should not be prohibited... but that is now how we treat the non-chinas of the world.
The only disputable or inflamatory statement made by parent is that he actually feels sick about this.
Regards.
> 'The PLA has established information warfare units to develop viruses to attack enemy computer systems and networks
The Phone Losers of America have sided with the red Chinese?
Our DOD keeps buying insecure and unsecurable OSes. The only way to guarantee a PC with windows never gets a virus, or a keylogger, or pwned is to never turn it on.
It's interesting to hear repeatedly that they are making so much effort in this area. The obvious target is the United States, though they could effectively attack our allies as well.
Coupled with anti-satellite weapons and a developing blue water navy - One could say they are preparing for conquest.
The rewards are enormous. China could completely destroy our networks and economy in a single day with a well coordinated strike.
That's not enough time to move our forces and fight back.
What is DOD doing? Spying on their citizens and making life a living hell for Iraqis.
They are, however, saying that it's a "credible threat". And - and this is the important point, the key point, the only point of the whole story that really matters - therefore, the Pentagon needs huge extra funding to maintain US military superiority in every sphere.
It's the same as the stories that broke *every single year* from 1945 to 1990 about how huge the Soviet nuclear arsenal was. It doesn't mean anything, except "we want more money".
Attacking the country that ultimately controls your economy is not a wise move. Shame on the man that has 50K in debt to the bank. Shame on the bank for allowing multi-hundred billions in debt.
Are we assuming that our military isn't attacking them, too? It just seems like standard operating procedure to me.
There is an easy solution to cyberwarfare. Just don't keep important parts of your information infrastructure connected to the Internet; and always have offline backups. If people (especially businesses and government) rely too heavily on one medium (like the Internet) then it will become an obvious target. If worse came to worse, we could always just pull the plug. If your main line of business is related to the Internet, then you need to think of contingencies, like at the very least having VPNs for your customers/clients to use.
If people, businesses, governments, or armies cannot function without the Internet, then things have gone to far. I do however believe that the cyberwarefare concept is more hyperbole than a real threat. If I couldn't read Slashdot because of some Chinese government DoS attack, it would be sad for me, but it would not be the end of the world. And remember: the Internet as it is was designed for redundancy and routing around communication problems.
What makes this article newsworthy? TFA doesn't report anything new or out of the ordinary. Any army in the world would recruit hackers and use their abilities. In fact TFA starts with "The People's Liberation Army (PLA) continues to build cyberwarfare units..." - Yes, well, in other news: "A sack of rice just tipped over in Zhejiang province, China. No casualties have been confirmed yet. Authorities advise citizens to remain calm..."
Is this article just general fear mongering or is someone setting up a new potential military venture since the current one isn't running so well... - Sorry, but reading sensationalist crap like that just gets me riled up.
And when you gaze long enough into the code, the code will also gaze into you.
I'm not scared, bring it on! Hope they're ready to find the 3rd (remote) exploit in OpenBSD in 10 years...
If only our government hasn't had it's reputation soiled by crying wolf all the time, perhaps we could trust it when it tries to warn us about national security threats.
....that's why I not only *just* block China ;=) I guess I could block every machine except those machines that match the right fingerprint. But that would cost me some work in setting up all the rules for the individual machines that need access. Port knocking is ofcourse another way to prevent problems.
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China isn't an enemy of the USA in military terms
Read what their own strategists and generals say. THEY consider the US a prime enemy. I mean, it isn't even hidden, go search around the net, you'll find a lot to read there.
and they have enough dollars now and have skimmed a trillion more in free R&d from the west, they are starting to not need the markets as much, and will be switching their exports to the parts of the world that have the most raw resources to trade with them. they just went on the record saying they "have enough dollars" just a couple of months ago now. Contemplate on that for awhile, what that really means.
This century will be known as the century of the resource wars. china aims to own all the resources, because they need them. We do not have-there aren't enough-of natural resources on the planet to support 8-15 billion people. It doesn't exist, and will not exist. We'll hit 8 soon, within 25 years, that's the tipping point after which the resource depletion falls radically, peakoil included. By 2015 or so most of the cheap to get at oil will start to decline, it already has in mexico and the north sea.. There's a host of other resources-minerals and metals-which are already in short supply just when 3 billion more people are stating to taste the beginnings of middle class living and need them, driving up demand.
That's why china has gone balls to the walls in Africa, outflanking the US and Europe bigtime, they *need* every bit of natural resources that continent has to offer. That's why the US has established a permanent beachhead on the ground in the middle east-yes, we are *never* pulling out, not for any reason, because of the oil and fresh water there.
Yes, we are going to fight over those resources, and it's going to get ugly.
So this is why we see so many Chinese gold farmers in all of our MMORPGs. They need cybermoney to keep paying their cybersoldiers!!!
This is one of those irregular verbs:
By developing cyber weapons, US is defending freedom everywhere.
By developing cyber defenses, China is destablising the world.
By having computers, Iran is sponsoring terrorism.
To be serious about it, how can anyone be surprised that a major country is concerned about cyber-security?
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I should think that sitting and reposing are two distinct physical states, happy or sad. The rest of your vivid but rambling post is interesting, not for its content, but for the fact that you took the time to say so little in so many words. I do think that when you dusted off cacodemonic, we'd sailed past hyperbole into gobbledygook. 8)
I don't care if the Chinese gov't wants to go to cyberwar with the US. Just keep their idiot script kiddies off my subnet. I already block most of China and Korea at the router, which sucks for the potentially good people over there but I really don't need a thousand different brute-force SSH attacks per day. Within a week of a new server being online, I had auto-blocked 13 thousand IPs which was seriously bogging down the system, so I just nullrouted the subnets altogether.
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Countries spending money to improve their militaries? What an unthinkable act! I for one am glad we live in a peaceful nation where our trusty stealth fighters and networked soldiers and tanks have remained unchanged since the founding of the country.
Oh wait.
of course this makes sense now, get the Microsoft windows source code, encourage your citizens to use Red Flag Linux instead, gain a competitive edge when cyber-warefare erupts.
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China and the USA have been doing this for years. The US Navy has the CTN (Cryptologic Networking) rate that's specifically for Information Warfare. The key duty of a CTN being network penetration and defense. It's the rate to which I'm in the process of converting over to.
Time to raise the defense budget. Again.
Let's see. I can work for Google or Yahoo or Microsoft and get free sushi and massages, or I can go to work for the DoD, where my skills are vitally needed, and for the privilege I can receive two years of hassle over my $50 unpaid phone bill from ten years ago and told to pee in a cup.
TFA is about China. Don't try to read anything into my comment that isn't there. I can be enough of a controversial jerk all by myself, thanks.
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Whats the deal? In Germany its recently discussed that gouvernment intends to develop a virus to spy on their OWN citizens, google for Bundestrojaner...
That'll put them down, a whole 256 million of those dirty bastards, 944 million to go
They've been under cyber attack from China for years.
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governments are ramping up this stuff in order to justify internet censor and control mechanisms.
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Please tell me they don't have anything at Kuang Grade, Mark Eleven yet - we are so fucked if they do.
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Megaditto? Figures. Your knowledge about the USSR is crappy as usual. They shot people who didn't work.
Here, in the US, if you don't work, you starve - at least that's how you dittoheads would have it.
Here, in the US, you appease foreign aggressors like China by sending them our jobs.
You'd have traded with Nazi Germany if they'd offered you cheap lamp shades. Oh no wait, George Bush Sr's GRANDPA did trade with Nazi Germany!
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That seems like a reasonable assertion. But I doubt it is correct.
At the start of World War II, Germany's biggest trading partner was, um, France.
Both the Israelis and Palestinians would be much, much better off economically if they stopped killing each other. But they don't.
It isn't safe to assume that all (or even most) wars are fought for rational reasons. Or that nations won't be willing to impoverish themselves to prove a point.
I read that as "China crafts Cyberwoman"
Damned lazy reading skills.
My point exactly; there is no such thing as a "Russian job" unless you live in Soviet Union (where you were guaranteed a job, with a few caveats you have mentioned).
In America, we have no "American jobs" save for a few government and security positions. The rest is up for grabs by whoever can do it the cheapest legal way. If you don't like Free Market then go to China or start your own Union.
Obama likes poor people so much, he wants to make more of them.
Then it is true - you would send our jobs to countries who are attacking us.
The Free Market inherently undermines the credibility of Democracy and human rights. America will never be competitive in the Free Market until we remove all pollution controls, human rights laws, and reduce ourselves to the prison labor infested, pollution-choked hell holes that are undercutting us like steroid players in major league baseball.
There is one and only one conclusion to any Free Market argument you have - Democracy and freedom must go away if your country is to remain competitive for jobs. Any other conclusion is pure delusion.
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What you say applies only to a one-sided Free Market. The solution is to have open borders: free market for labor as well as capital. People will then chose what is best for them, giving you universal Freedom, Democracy, Human Rights, and whatnot.
Obama likes poor people so much, he wants to make more of them.
When someone like the parent posts something completely wrong and gets modded to +5.
Fun read, totally ridiculous and inaccurate, but fun.
Open borders? What, so Al Qaeda can freely come in and nuke Democratic countries at will? Even your great leader Rush Limbaugh would question your sanity if he could read this.
Oh and BTW, if no one has a right to a job, then no corporation has a right to do business here.
We don't need multi nationals in America. We can throw them out and start over. As America's job scene continues to de-evolve from high paying technical work, to a superproliferation of low paying service crap, you may find that Americans will decide enough is enough and that it's prudent to start over.
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All Windows computers since Windows XP with Service Pack 2 (SP2) have shipped with a firewall built-in and activated by default.
Vista has firewall by default too.
IE7 on Vista runs in "protected mode".
On my computer, I use firewall. The Linux firewall "iptables" is very very good. I use almost only free open source software.
Worms and hacking is going to be more difficult in the future.
So what are they going to do? Implement backdoors in routers sold abroad by Chinese networking companies? DDoS? Mailbombs? Wiki-vandalizing?
Cyberwarfare is just silly. It's a dumb Hollywood fantasy that people think sound "cool" and "high-tech", but its just dumb.
"I'll suck the internet dry" seems to be a tad prophetic.
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"free market for labor as well as capital. People will then chose what is best for them,"
This is Pure Fantasy (TM).
The Republicans, the supposed Free Marketeers, want to "seal the borders"
People are not as mobile as capital, so they get fucked by the so-called Free Market, which ain't.
This totally ignores things like intangibles like family ties, etc. "Honey, I'm leaving for China. I'll see you in 10 years." Funny, this is exactly what some many illegal immigrants do in this country (the US). They come here, intend to work for only a few years, but grow roots, instead.
Your fantasy of a Free Market is just as dumb and unworkable as Communism.
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Cubicles? Chair force? What's next, General Steve Ballmer is the head of the secret training of chair force at MS?
*shudders* It makes complete sense now.
Carbon based humanoid in training.
...then it should be subject to the rules of war. If one nation attacking the network infrastructure of another nation were considered to violate the rules of war, they would think twice. It would hardly be worth it for China to DDoS a few connections if it meant we would start executing their PoW's.
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I'll bet the US has plans in place to sever China's International Communications networks the moment the first People's Liberation Army Marine is seen landing on the beaches of Taiwan. I'd be seriously worried if they didn't! We all saw what one ruptured undersea phone cable did last year, so imagine what a coordinated cyberattack from China could do.
Reminds me of the Beavis and Butthead classic where the power goes out as they are sitting on their couch. They go out into the town and there is a blackout - mass riots, fires, etc. A classmate runs up to them and asks "What happened!!", and Butthead replies "Our tv broke."
Ah, clueless sheeple. Go back to your American Idol, sleep tight, nothing to worry about here. Papa George is over in Iraq making us all safe, protecting freedom and stuff. China is our good friend. Papa will just send a note to good friend Rupert and other MSM patsies/cheerleaders: "keep the lid on any bad press about China. They are most esteemed highly valued trading nation, we won't upset them, suck up to them, that's the thing.."
As if that's a long time...
If your assertion remains true 500 years from now, maybe it'll be worth something.
Be careful, his cousin is a friggin mod.
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Our economies are NOT tied together. In fact, China is doing all that it can to avoid that. China exports roughly 250 BILLION to usa yearly. OTH, they import about 50 Billion from USA. They ARE making us dependent on them. Right now, China has more than 1 trillion dollars and has the means to buy some of our technology to move to a green environment. But are they? Nope. They are insisting that EU and America should give them the tech knowledge to clean up. They do not want to have an intertwined economy. They DO want USA dependent on them. Otherwise, they would release their money from being tied to ours.
In addition, another big issue is that China is creating a generation that will have 10-15% of their males without having brides. Chinese leadership is NOT stopping this. Instead, they are encouraging the single males to join the military. They are aware that they have 5 x the size of the military, but it is our tech that gives us an edge. But that is why China is busy stealing it, and even approaching Bill Gates to give them tech. and have America open up our knowledge to them. The only high-tech that is kept from them has either dual-use or even just single use of military.
No doubt you view it as cold war era. But the difference is that as long as a small group of ppl in control a country AND we are not intertwined, then we are heading towards a problem.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
It must be utterly awful here in the false Free Market when people keep pouring into this country.
"It must be utterly awful here in the false Free Market "
Hey, I've got a question for you...mr Anonymous.
Define Free Market.
Apply that definition to the US. Does the US match the definition? No? Oh!
Goddamn Randroids, living in their own fantasy lands.
"when people keep pouring into this country."
Funny how capital has been fleeing the US for other places, while the Dollar sinks and sinks. It's almost EXACTLY two dollars to buy a British Pound. The Canadian Dollar will soon be more expensive than the US dollar. Woo. There goes your US (and my, btw) bank account. "I'm short the Dollar" - Bill Gates.
http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html
Fuck you.
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The Chinese are the vulnerable ones as long as they run Windows. Technically speaking, the US Govt can ask MS to provide a backdoor in Windows/Vista. In case of war, the backdoor can be used to format all hard disks by a simple patch Windows downloads all the time from the internet. The effect of millions of computers in the country crashing at the same time. Or even worse, doing crazy things will leave the military in a very vulnerable position where they cannot depend any longer on their computers. Which leaves them with what??
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The fact is that the country from which it split up does not recognize the split to be legal. Let us get another example, if for some reason alaska were to be split from the US for a long period of time, I doubt seriously that the US would recognize its independence because of the strategic value of Alaska. Any plot of land with big strategic value will be "forced into the rank". Just freaking look at what happenned to Panama, and it wasn't even a US province. Fact is, as soon as a country recognized a huge strategic value in something/some country, it will bite in and not release the jaw. China has recognized the value of Tawain, and will not release the clamp.
Now I have to recognize that in such case, any excuse may be used to justify the end, so most probably China don't really care about the past, but most probably is more interrested into the present.
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It was my understanding IIRC that the NSA altered the firmware of a batch of printers headed that way. A very clever idea if you ask me. :-)
China is not about to attack you.
Why would they spend billions on crashing your computers if they can crash your stock market for free?
....Government spreads virus
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Yes, I'm left. You have a problem with that?
Cyberweapons can be very deadly. They were used by the Cybermen in Doctor Who...
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your POV on this is no different than mine; a SWAG. In fact, I hope that your vision is more correct than mine. Mine is very reactionary and reminds of what I use to hear from ppl who are now in their 70's. With that said, I still believe that China is making great strides in their military and tech and are gearing up for a war. It may be the TR approach, which is ok. But what worries me is that it would be the hitler or gwb approach.
Lets hope that Chinese leader believe that they do not wish to wage war as well. As it is, once we are done with this Iraqi occupation (and Afghanistan which is getting hot again), I doubt that we will want to take on another war for about a decade or more. Far too expensive
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
I'm not sure if this is exactly on topic, but is anyone ever concerned about how much of our computer equipment is manufactured by foreign countries? I would actually be surprised if China hasn't approached chipset or motherboard manufacturers to implement some kind of espionage or remote control feature into their products. Of course, the U.S. has Intel and AMD, so it could be doing the same thing.
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Who meta-moderates the meta-moderators?
I dunno, coast guard?
This leave me wondering with such a NON-news, what sort of propaganda is theUS trying to kick up
Perhaps it's just budget allocation time again for some 'cyber-defence' departments in the DoD. Of course they'll want to do some fearmongering, but not for any more sinister or broader purpose than to maximise their budget allocation. I'm always very cynical about these ongoing reports of supposed "cyber warfare". (I'm not doubting that countries like China and the US attempt to find ways to attack each other's networks, I mean, it's just normal to want to develop such techniques even if there is no desire to use them, but I think the potential for such attacks is extremely limited and blown way WAY out of proportion.)
Texas does not specifically state that it can secede from the Union but it can certainly read that way.
Take a look at some people who are very serious about seceding.
This is a long-running "joke" in Texas but very few actually take it seriously. After all, Texas ALREADY runs the country. Not for long though...
That way even if the Italian women are all hairy, they might get some good blonde genes in there. Hairy aint so bad if the hair is fine of hue.
Or, "civilians in uniform" for nothin'?
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Several people have mistaken me in this thread. I like China. Not just the people either -- I believe the government of China has seen the benefits of freedom. They have undertaken the most dangerous and difficult task of converting to a more enlightened and free society at great peril to themselves for the benefit of their people. I am in no place to criticize the pace of their efforts -- to proceed too fast is to ensure descent into anarchy. That they are competing effectively and aggressively with us in the field of global trade is a testament to how well they understand their duty to succeed for the benefit of their people. If we want our government to compete better, why should that be China's fault? Yeah, they've done some bad stuff, but I've got enough bad government activity going on in my own country to worry about before I go criticizing other peoples' -- especially since I haven't done the background on the issues.
That said, my comment is about the duty of the US wardens of infrastructure and secrets -- and to a certain extent all people in IT and essential services to consider carefully all aspects of their charges in the light of the certain knowledge that there are many qualified and resourceful people who seek weaknesses everywhere they can find them. As others have pointed out, the source code is not so scarce at all -- China and several other countries may have it under license, but in fact rumors abound that it's "out there" for the miscreants both foreign and domestic to exploit for reasons both militaristic and avaricious. It would not surprise me if the stuff were available to everyone except the people who were able and motivated to fix it. I need no more proof of this than the fact that you know what day of the month is "Exploit Wednesday".
If TFA were about more lost personal info (again) I probably would have posted something like "do you encrypt your backups and all data on physical media for transit?"
In short, I'm being a captain obvious karma whore. Get it?
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I'm pretty sure Cuba has war plans for the invasion of Florida. That doesn't mean they intend to do it. The processes involved in making and executing plans are skills that require training and practice. One makes ridiculous example plans as well as ones more credible, for practice or for blue sky contingencies one knows will never occur. To fail to practice is to be unprepared for the real mission, which would be disastrous since the plans often must be drawn up in short order because the unforeseen contingencies are the ones that get ya into a fight. We have war games off of South Korea in international waters all the time. I'm quite certain those sailors are not going ashore, for anything other than R&R, while they're there. That is to them what them having war games in the Gulf of California would be like to us, and they are not that provocative.
China is holding an economically, not a militarily aggressive posture. If occasionally they fire a rocket over the sea, well, did not Teddy Roosevelt say "walk softly and carry a big stick"? His wisdom wasn't just for Americans. I don't believe we have anything more to fear from them than what comes naturally from being too free with your money, to eager to buy everything on the shelf, too swift to borrow - eventually you become indentured to your debtor or go bankrupt. China has enough issues to deal with without attacking the US today: like desertification, overpopulation, aging population, economy conversion, political unrest, corruption, food quality, and of course they share a HUGE land border with a host of people with issues of their own. They have enough on their plate without opening up a whole US can of worms.
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Google for "Operation Just Cause". The US quite clearly "intervenned" and invaded the country. And while the given reason was that they disliked the local dictator, the true reason was that the place had an immense strategic value and they had to keep it under friendly control. And my argument thus stand. Panama NEVER was an US province but was still "invaded" due to its startegic value. China at least can say they had tawain for a few years. The US can't even say that. I do not want to bash the US, but saying that China is the big bad wolf and the US the innocent white lamb, well this is compeltly and utterly ignoring your own USian history. The US did it in the past, and will do it in the future again if it is in their interrest, jsut like ANY country in the world does on regular basis in the blink of an eye. All the propaganda on bei9ng a democraty/socialist flagship country/republic/theocraty whatever is jsut that. In the end, what matter sis what is strategically (economically or military) of itnerrest for the country. The rest is for the journalist and the prole, to entertain them.
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