Yes, they (between them) settled for $415 million between them. After underpaying at least 66,000 workers for at least five years. That was my point. That's not a deterrent, it's a bargain. Or do you think that their scheme didn't depress the wages of highly skilled programmers/tech people in SF by more than $0.62/hr (assuming they only were working 40 hrs a week)
Sure, after a decade the government said "No, bad company." But there weren't fines issued. Just an agreement not to enter into those agreements again. For a time. Fun fact, that time expired and those companies can start all over again without risking contempt of court fines/punishments! (Which are kinda scary because there isn't a presumption of innocence.... yada yada yada.)
But wait, you say. They did have to pay a settlement in a separate civil suit. Which worked out to less than than $1,000/year/worker who filed (8% of total workers). So, yeah, that totally will disincentivize them to do it again. No way that cold calling agreement saved them more than $80/person a year.
The government eventually challenging something and saying no is good, but without punishments it's as effective as tweeting "Bad X". And it taking so long sucks. You're talking about someone being affected by that for 25% of their working life.
TL;DR You're right legally, but not with the way things actually worked out.
Actually, the scariest thing about a social credit system isn't codifying the rules, it's that they are not public. So everyone worries about any given act and self-polices. It's actually too easy to change the rules - well-placed rumors can have people refusing to wear red shirts (the color of Pooh's shirt), or otherwise behaving in cargo-cult ways. Which is great for an authoritarian system bent on control (let the rebels wear their red undershirts as opposed to take on the system!), but horrible for living in the society.
Plenty of business owners in the US would love to have ways to keep employees other than providing a good work experience and fair pay.
And they do have those ways! Remember non-competes from Jimmy Johns, a sandwich place. Oh, you're in California where they don't honor non-competes. Working in tech field, then you probably have NDAs/claims that you are taking their intellectual property. Failing that, remember when Apple, Adobe, Google, etc. agreed not to hire each other's employees?
And that's before you get into the soft ways. Job-hopping being discouraged by future employers. Giving shitty recommendations as payback.
Getting data back is a lag issue, not a bandwidth issue. There's no reason we couldn't get a high res image of a distant planet... a decade after it was transmitted.
Their strategy is brilliant. Collect a percentage if things go well, lose someone else's money if things go poorly, and have the government cover any extra losses if they run out of that someone else's money
Note, that strategy is not related to the software they are publishing at all.
Is Malaria on that list because of vaccination or taking out the mosquitos? Because I know some people have talked about intentionally wiping out that species.
Fairfax County is the part of Virgina that touches DC. Which means a lot of government workers live there. It also holds the Pentagon and Langley, as well as numerous other government agencies. Hence, this decision affects a lot of federal workers, which might mean that they pay attention to this, which means it might spread more.
IIRC, Fairfax county is also the home to several Supreme Court justices.
I don't see why the NSA would care. They can already get your passwords anyway. My guess is that, if they wanted to, they would just look at every key I type into my computer and save all that data. Which includes my passwords. They could do it by changing my hardware, or putting cameras in my house, or various known remote attacks. Or failing that they could use a wrench to get the passwords out of me.
Protecting yourself from state level actors is too damn difficult for an individual to do.
Well, Tesla already benefited from the tax break. It's structured to try to get as many players in the field as possible (because that competition should be good for consumers). First mover advantage is covered by Tesla's trademarks and patents.
18 U.S.C. Â 873 defines blackmail as the threat to reveal someone's illegal acts (additional state laws may define blackmail in other ways.) So, this would be extortion, not blackmail.
I honestly don't know what the fuck Notch did. I know that people are upset with him. I also know that you aren't really weighing whether Notch should "get a pass", it's that you don't feel what he's been accused of is important. Which, depending on what he did, may be a defensible position, but has nothing to do with his experience as a game designer.
Why is that relevant. Do we give passes on behavior just because of other behavior that's good? What's next, "person X saved 20 children from drowning, so here's a gift certificate for 2 free murders?"
30 cameras found in all the hotel rooms in the US is a very low rate of cameras. I imagine the rate of hidden cameras in AirBnBs are at least 2 orders of magnitude higher.
You say that as though we as a society wanted varying amounts of risk/reward. We didn't. We voted for regulations that set a minimum level. Avoiding that level is illegal and, frankly, the government needs to do far more to force AirBnB to fall in line or take a hike.
However, tracking non-users doesn't even have this weak excuse
The weak excuse used by most networking sites for tracking non-users is "that way when you sign up your friend list will be populated by magic". Which, if you do sign up, is a nice benefit. It's not really a thing anymore, since everyone who was going to sign up did, and it always was shitty practice even if you buy into that justifications.
I'd like to know when your numbers came from. Because the age of those numbers is quite important.
However, it can help to force new standards. Even by your numbers (which again, need more detail as to when they are referring to) it lowers the total electricity usage in the US by 5%. That doesn't linearly mean that we produce 5% less pollution. It means that some coal burning plants might get shut down. And that makes a difference. Because, ultimately, plants don't tend to be turned off and on willy-nilly, because turning them on is hugely expensive. So saving energy can have outsized effects.
Also, making LED bulbs required was the only way to get them bought at scale, which was the only way to get them made at scale, which was the best way to make them cheap, which means I bought them, which has saved me money over time.
No, the ocean there is cooler, because of how the currents cyclically change how they flow. The ocean overall is still getting warmer every year. (See also, it getting colder in winter is not proof the earth isn't getting warmer.)
I cannot tell if you're arguing in bad faith or lack the ability to comprehend what you're reading. Care to clarify?
I don't see why. Herbicides that move through the food chain and hurt eagles are illegal and food is available without herbicide use at most grocery stores, so people can choose. Whereas glacial melt is the result of a societal decision, and how much pollution we allow and how to capture the externalized costs of it.
By that logic, there's almost nothing you own. Land and vehicles require fees every year. So do web-domains and professional licenses. Even most people's bank/stock accounts have maintenance fees.
I'm not 100% sure what they are. I believe it's cotton candy and bubble gum, but would much rather someone check before relying on my advise. I don't use e-cigarettes, so I didn't memorize it, but the studies came out recently.
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Yes, they (between them) settled for $415 million between them. After underpaying at least 66,000 workers for at least five years. That was my point. That's not a deterrent, it's a bargain. Or do you think that their scheme didn't depress the wages of highly skilled programmers/tech people in SF by more than $0.62/hr (assuming they only were working 40 hrs a week)
Sure, after a decade the government said "No, bad company." But there weren't fines issued. Just an agreement not to enter into those agreements again. For a time. Fun fact, that time expired and those companies can start all over again without risking contempt of court fines/punishments! (Which are kinda scary because there isn't a presumption of innocence.... yada yada yada.)
But wait, you say. They did have to pay a settlement in a separate civil suit. Which worked out to less than than $1,000/year/worker who filed (8% of total workers). So, yeah, that totally will disincentivize them to do it again. No way that cold calling agreement saved them more than $80/person a year.
The government eventually challenging something and saying no is good, but without punishments it's as effective as tweeting "Bad X". And it taking so long sucks. You're talking about someone being affected by that for 25% of their working life.
TL;DR You're right legally, but not with the way things actually worked out.
Actually, the scariest thing about a social credit system isn't codifying the rules, it's that they are not public. So everyone worries about any given act and self-polices. It's actually too easy to change the rules - well-placed rumors can have people refusing to wear red shirts (the color of Pooh's shirt), or otherwise behaving in cargo-cult ways. Which is great for an authoritarian system bent on control (let the rebels wear their red undershirts as opposed to take on the system!), but horrible for living in the society.
And they do have those ways! Remember non-competes from Jimmy Johns, a sandwich place. Oh, you're in California where they don't honor non-competes. Working in tech field, then you probably have NDAs/claims that you are taking their intellectual property. Failing that, remember when Apple, Adobe, Google, etc. agreed not to hire each other's employees?
And that's before you get into the soft ways. Job-hopping being discouraged by future employers. Giving shitty recommendations as payback.
Getting data back is a lag issue, not a bandwidth issue. There's no reason we couldn't get a high res image of a distant planet... a decade after it was transmitted.
Their strategy is brilliant. Collect a percentage if things go well, lose someone else's money if things go poorly, and have the government cover any extra losses if they run out of that someone else's money
Note, that strategy is not related to the software they are publishing at all.
Is Malaria on that list because of vaccination or taking out the mosquitos? Because I know some people have talked about intentionally wiping out that species.
Yes, we also have to do something about LPR companies, if that was your intention.
Fairfax County is the part of Virgina that touches DC. Which means a lot of government workers live there. It also holds the Pentagon and Langley, as well as numerous other government agencies. Hence, this decision affects a lot of federal workers, which might mean that they pay attention to this, which means it might spread more.
IIRC, Fairfax county is also the home to several Supreme Court justices.
I don't see why the NSA would care. They can already get your passwords anyway. My guess is that, if they wanted to, they would just look at every key I type into my computer and save all that data. Which includes my passwords. They could do it by changing my hardware, or putting cameras in my house, or various known remote attacks. Or failing that they could use a wrench to get the passwords out of me.
Protecting yourself from state level actors is too damn difficult for an individual to do.
Well, Tesla already benefited from the tax break. It's structured to try to get as many players in the field as possible (because that competition should be good for consumers). First mover advantage is covered by Tesla's trademarks and patents.
18 U.S.C. Â 873 defines blackmail as the threat to reveal someone's illegal acts (additional state laws may define blackmail in other ways.) So, this would be extortion, not blackmail.
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I honestly don't know what the fuck Notch did. I know that people are upset with him. I also know that you aren't really weighing whether Notch should "get a pass", it's that you don't feel what he's been accused of is important. Which, depending on what he did, may be a defensible position, but has nothing to do with his experience as a game designer.
Why is that relevant. Do we give passes on behavior just because of other behavior that's good? What's next, "person X saved 20 children from drowning, so here's a gift certificate for 2 free murders?"
I hope he didn't. He's not a US citizen.
30 cameras found in all the hotel rooms in the US is a very low rate of cameras. I imagine the rate of hidden cameras in AirBnBs are at least 2 orders of magnitude higher.
You say that as though we as a society wanted varying amounts of risk/reward. We didn't. We voted for regulations that set a minimum level. Avoiding that level is illegal and, frankly, the government needs to do far more to force AirBnB to fall in line or take a hike.
I'd like to know when your numbers came from. Because the age of those numbers is quite important.
However, it can help to force new standards. Even by your numbers (which again, need more detail as to when they are referring to) it lowers the total electricity usage in the US by 5%. That doesn't linearly mean that we produce 5% less pollution. It means that some coal burning plants might get shut down. And that makes a difference. Because, ultimately, plants don't tend to be turned off and on willy-nilly, because turning them on is hugely expensive. So saving energy can have outsized effects.
Also, making LED bulbs required was the only way to get them bought at scale, which was the only way to get them made at scale, which was the best way to make them cheap, which means I bought them, which has saved me money over time.
Because they are separate permissions. Same reason that you might say a user has read and write permissions to a directory as opposed to access.
No, the ocean there is cooler, because of how the currents cyclically change how they flow. The ocean overall is still getting warmer every year. (See also, it getting colder in winter is not proof the earth isn't getting warmer.)
I cannot tell if you're arguing in bad faith or lack the ability to comprehend what you're reading. Care to clarify?
I don't see why. Herbicides that move through the food chain and hurt eagles are illegal and food is available without herbicide use at most grocery stores, so people can choose. Whereas glacial melt is the result of a societal decision, and how much pollution we allow and how to capture the externalized costs of it.
I originally was going to make a crack about whether the OP works at Boeing. But I have no clue what went wrong there.
I'm not saying I don't QA it, I'm saying the OP seemed to be "automating and forgetting."
By that logic, there's almost nothing you own. Land and vehicles require fees every year. So do web-domains and professional licenses. Even most people's bank/stock accounts have maintenance fees.
I'm not 100% sure what they are. I believe it's cotton candy and bubble gum, but would much rather someone check before relying on my advise. I don't use e-cigarettes, so I didn't memorize it, but the studies came out recently.